Thread 76512948

If you've roided you will never be natural again. It's as simple as this. Once a cheater, always a cheater.

>>76512948 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with being a cheater though.

>>76512955
Everything is wrong with being a cheater, and the worst lies are the ones you tell yourself.

This is a little sour grape-y because if you use an AI with roids you absolutely have 0 side effects I think.

However, the investment required to do so is huge. T levels being checked, safe injections, follow-up, and you are breaking the law inevitably by doing so. But roids is roids, and anyone reading this has already made up their mind. Take a free pic on my pc for reading my spiel.

>>76512948 (OP)
It's not cheating because you're not competing against anyone.

>>76512955
This, too.

Basically, you pop a pill against headaches, against coughs, against ADHD and all other kinds of problems. Why not pop a pill against being fat and DYEL? Same thing.

Anti-roiders just hate themselves and want to take unneccessary hardships to "punish" themselves for not looking "perfect".

>>76513333
This is such cope and projection.

>Basically, you pop a pill against headaches, against coughs, against ADHD and all other kinds of problems. Why not pop a pill against being fat and DYEL? Same thing.
Steroids are definitely not like taking a pill against headaches.

>>76513367
>Steroids are definitely not like taking a pill against headaches.
It's literally the same.

You have a problem - you take a drug to solve the problem.
BTW the anti-roid movement is a remnant on the 90s war on drugs, before nobody gave a shit and neither should you.

>>76513333
This, steroids are basically a tool that let you achieve your goal faster.

>>76513370
>It's literally the same.
Google the side effects of each and compare.

If roidtrannies want to kill themselves that's fine, I'm just fighting against disinformation. You will NEVER be natural again.

>>76513378
>Google the side effects of each and compare.
Protip: No effects without side effects. All drugs have side effects.

>You will NEVER be natural again.
So? You sound extremely juvenile and butthurt, you do know this site is 18+, right?

Ever notice that it's always the natties that look like shit who are vehemently seething about steroid users? It's always either the skinnyfats or DYELs, at least in real life, that are seething, the natties that look good/strong and are confident and feel good about their bodies just simply don't care.
It's kind of a sour grapes situation I think.

did the DEA make this post

>>76513381
>No effects without side effects.
Dishonest arguing, but then again, it's a roidtranny with body disphoria.

>>76513408
>Dishonest arguing
It's a medical rule, zoomer.

>>76513440
>It's a medical rule
You're telling me all the side effects of roids are the same as taking a pill for a headache. I'm not surprised you're dishonest, though, because you've already lied to yourself in the first place.

>>76512948 (OP)

"Cheating" what? I'm an Amerifat myself and even I want to know, do Amerifats have to turn everything into some kind of moral quandary?

Lifting isn't fucking baseball. Mom and apple pie aren't cheering in the stands for you to hit the homerun for the underdog team, and no obese man is happily chomping down hot dogs watching you deadlift as long as it's a GOOD CLEAN GAME.

There is no such thing as "cheating" in lifting. Even if you're a competitive bodybuilder, there is no cheating because everyone is roiding.

There are certain physiques that if you want to achieve them, you pretty much have to do roids unless you're a genetic anomaly. It's up to you to do the research, learn the side effects, weigh the pros and cons, and decide if it's all worth it.

>>76513386
trvthnvke
i'm natty but i don't really care much about roiders, let them do what they want, it's not a competition

>>76513515
>there is no cheating because everyone is roiding.
>there is no cheating because everyone is cheating

>>76513590
How exactly are you being cheated on just because some stranger dude whom you never met uses anabolic steroids to accelerate his muscle growth? How does it affect you?

>>76513590

You made a point for me that I wasn't even trying to make.

Yes, if everyone in competitive bodybuilding is roiding, then roiding is not cheating, because it's obviously accepted as part of the "sport."

My ackshualll point was that lifting isn't a competitive sport like baseball or football. The vast majority of lifters are not competitive bodybuilders, so they aren't "competing" with anyone, they're just lifting, meaning there can't be "cheating" so accusations of cheating are just faggy moralizing.

>>76513333
You are cheating. Everyone competes for the same three dimensional space and public esteem.

Roiders are basically mentally ill; they purposefully deceive, and take the easy way out in order to pretend that they live a different life; a life where they actually lift hard, have good genetics, are dedicated and have strength of character.

Everytime I see a recreational roider it's either the biggest retard, mental illness or mental weakness.

>>76513370
Lmao

"Just like a chemo patient, I am so weak and frail and mentally feeble I need drugs to function"

The unfortunate psychology of the average roider on display here

>>76513640
Does running your own business to afford a house instead of wagecucking for 30 years to pay off mortgage count as cheating?
Does driving a sports car to get across the country instead of driving a $500 shitbox count as cheating?
Does getting across Europe in a passenger jet instead of a train count as cheating?
The primary train of an intelligent person is using the tools available at their disposal to achieve their goals. Life is all about getting the results. Using PEDs to achieve your goal body is simply using a tool at your disposal.

>>76513660
trait*

>>76513660

Yes, those are all forms of dirty, rotten, inauthentic cheating, get down in the bucket with the rest of us crabs!

This is why I'm natty, just enclomiphene and tesamorelin to maximize my good old-fashioned home-grown hormones.

>>76513660
These are not honest comparisons. You don't get an enlarged heart, organ failure and many other unhealthy side effects for owning a business, driving a sports cart, or by using a jet, not anymore than their more mundane counterparts.

It's not just "using a tool", it is permanently altering your body, ultimately for worse. Normalizing it as "it's just another tool" harms the uninformed and the easily impressionable.

>>76513386
>>76513542
This. Once men hit a decent physique, there is innate respect between them regardless of size. I'm natty casino royale mode and even crossing paths with a roided up Rich Piana monster we'll still share that brotherly "fellow /fit/bro" nod as we pass, same as when I pass some lean ottermode twink.
Men don't compete like women do, we just expect the guy next to us in the shieldwall to be reliable, not some fatty or dyel. If the other man looks great, then we are pleased for him, regardless of his choice of build.

Roids to me aren't worth the side effects and I'm a poorfag so I couldn't afford them anyway, but I'm still glad they exist cos we get to see the impossible in men willing and wealthy enough to push the limits.
You can always tell the faggots that use them as a shortcut because they look like shit and lose their gains as soon as they come off because they don't love what they are doing, they just want to ruin theor body chemistry for short-term gains, usually for pussy/social media clout. We all know that they are faggots.
But then you get the Rich Piana's that put in the research and can afford consistency that ascend to levels unattainable without who genuinely love what they do.

>"muh early death"
You wanna live forever faggot?

>>76513678
>You don't get an enlarged heart, organ failure and many other unhealthy side effects for owning a business
You also don't get these side effects by running reasonable doses of select compounds while properly cycling them - the dose makes the poison. It's like taking an Aspirin for a headache and worrying about getting gastrointestinal bleeding just because the flyer says so. Not only that, but even if you were to run damaging doses of PEDs, the only person that's getting the side effects is the user of the PEDs, not you, so why do you even care that people have the agency over what they want to do with their own bodies?

>, ultimately for worse.
Highly subjective.

>Normalizing it as "it's just another tool" harms the uninformed and the easily impressionable.
I don't exactly feel responsible for the gullible and stupid people - not my problem.

it being illegal and no proof what you're getting isn't contaminated, fake or something else is enough for me to say nope. you could be injecting bacteria, heavy metals and other fun stuff. fuck that
>durr some site on the internet said my source is legit!
You're a gullible idiot

>>76513302
>if you use an AI with roids

What does this even mean?

>>76512948 (OP)
This.
It isn't worth it and it doesn't look good. Everyone knows.
It's exactly like when aging actresses get face lifts and a bunch of shit done and look unnatural and weird. They've deluded themselves into thinking it looks good and they did a good thing.

Shrunken nuts and Bacne and attitude issues. Using steroids is for vain and lazy faggots.

>>76513376
Your goal is competing against others and being bigger and lifting more. Not just being YOUR best. You create an unnatural space beyond your limit. It's total faggotry. There's no defending it. It's dishonorable to yourself.

If you didn't care about competition or what others thought of you you'd never have use of steroids.

>>76513444
>You're telling me all the side effects of roids are the same as taking a pill for a headache.
that nigga did NOT say that lmao weak bait

>arguing with roiders
They take drugs that make them confident they're right about everything, so good luck.

>>76513660
My goal when training:
>Push my body to the limit, unlock my perfect form through discipline and hard work
Your goal when training:
>Err, I dunno instagram or something just give up and take roids and pretend

Yeah go and pursue your goals, low-T genius

It's not a competition bros why are you obsessed with other dudes' bodies so much?
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>>76514040
The real delusion is letting yourself seethe about someone else doing something you wouldn't do yourself because... reasons I guess?
I bet you guys would love to get screeched at for driving a car instead of riding a bike for the environment, or drinking a beer because it's "poison" or some other insane shit.
Live and let live, retards. You all sound like picrel btw.

>>76514072
Ouch, the slow realisation dawning on the empty fraud with nuked nuts

Life is an agon

You taking steroids is like taking a helicopter to the mountain hut and then trying to share esteem with everyone who walked up there

>>76514094
I don't even think about you.

>>76514101
>I don't even think
No shit

Why are natties so hellbent on obsessing with roiders?
You don't want to roid? Nobody is forcing you to, do your thing you DYEL king!
Why cope and seethe every day about roiders though? Unless you take part in some competition who gives a fuck what other people at the gym do?

>>76514072
Trying this hard to justify the ultimate hypocrisy: poisoning your body to "achieve a fitness physique". lol

Absolutely sad. No one but other stinky musclemen with body zits are even impressed. And they all juice too. It's a sad club full of angry, bitter, sexless virgin men with nothing to live for.
Guess it's better than being obese, but it's just as sad.

>>76514453
>no competition
>still desperate, unsatisfied and sad enough to buy fake subscription hormones thinking that will solve his problem
Roiders really are losers and are to be avoided like the mentally ill

Not only is there nothing wrong with cheating. There's everything wrong with NOT cheating, if you have the opportunity to cheat.
https://youtu.be/iLzoi1ndQH8

>>76514482
With this it's different. The whole thing is "improving" your body, right? But you're worsening it in other areas to gain muscle mass faster. That's not a good tradeoff.

Having big hulking muscles is a stupid thing to want. It's a gay hobby. It's like other lame shit I'll never understand. People into lowered, rice-burner little Honda cars with loud mufflers and spoilers attached and neon green wheels. Weebs into anime with pink girly shit and ponies all over their bedrooms.

These are GROWN MEN I share the world and this site with and I don't understand them. lol
I don't know why they care about the retarded stuff they care about.

>>76514482
People with this kind of sentiment love that we have a crook for a president. Probably helped put him there.

>>76514540
>That's not a good tradeoff.
That's entirely dependent on your particular set of priorities and goals.
For you it might not be worth it, but for someone else (who has a different life, history, perspective, etc) it might be.

>Having big hulking muscles is a stupid thing to want.
Besides the fact that this is entirely subjective (and I share your opinion), there's a whole spectrum of muscle mass. Taking steroids doesn't necessarily mean becoming a mass monster like Nasser or whomever.
You can use PEDs to get to any amount of muscle mass and strength, with proportionally less severe side effects.

I lift because I want to be healthy, good looking and strong. Unless you're competing with other bodybuilders, why would anyone take steroids and fuck up their body and longevity?

>>76514545
It's less being happy about others cheating, and more accepting that it's going to happen regardless of us cheating or not, so it would be stupid to take part in the race when half the participants have all sorts of unfair (arguably) advantages and without cheating you have no chance of ever approaching their results.

>>76513678
This is actually a good point. Roiders are a great example of how people and culture in general push for everyone to disregard long-term consequences. Everybody wants immediate results at any price, and that's thinking like a child. I'm not saying roiders aren't putting in any effort, just that they largely underestimate the toll they'll be paying later on. Imagine missing out on your grandkids grow or retirement because your heart failed at 56.

>>76514619
Making gains now though.

>>76514619
>grandkids
not this bunch, lol

>>76513378
>WAHHHH, ROID TRANNYES!!
Running test just for a few months give you enhanced physiology for the rest of your life due to increased satelite cells. You are enhanced, which means better.

>>76514468
Because after 3-4 years of natty lifting you have made the majority of gains.
Options are give up lifting, roid or continue to lift and make 0 gains.

>>76514619
It's not a good point because natty gains are VERY limited, if you claim otherwise you have been lifting for less than 3 years and should be quiet and take notes. Test takes you to the next level, physically and mentally. Side effects are dose dependent, if you keep your test doses moderate then there are basically no ill effects for a massive upside. Stick to <200mg test, 150mg is plenty and will leave jealous nattycucks in the dust.

>>76514619
Getting jacked in your 20s allows you to resize to a smaller (but still good) size which will be way easier to maintain for pretty much the rest of your life, with far less effort and sacrifice.
If you're natural you don't even necessarily get to that peak ever.
Plus, being jacked in your youth comes with so many advantages, social, psychological, etc. that will affect the rest of your life, and those advantages become less useful the more you age (pic related), so even with all the patience in the world it's in your interest to get as much muscle mass as possible, as early as possible.
You don't even need to get on so much stuff that your life is significantly shortened. Even just a moderate test dose will make a substantial difference with minimal side effects.

>>76514676
You justify it all you like. You're weak.

>>76514676
>150mg is plenty
Noob here.
Is that per week?

Its like cheating in multiplayer video games. Its for the weak hearted.

>>76514682
>pretty much the rest of your life
until you ack at 40

>>76514702
That happens to the mass monsters whose blood is 50% tren.
A moderate test cycle is barely significant, especially if it's only for a few years.

>>76514684
The natty is weak and afraid of an insulin needle, kek.
>>76514696
Zoomer, life is not a videogame, you dumb phaggot... muh game
>>76514702
Yeah, just post some sources for this idiotic statement. You are making a fool of yourself.

>>76514540
Tfw I like imports and anime. Whoops.

I'm natty but idgaf if people want to juice. I'm just not as impressed by roiders really. Kind of like if a fatty has a nice face.

>>76514726
You speak like the exact kind of weak hearted low iq person that would use needles and aimbots. You're probably a total dick to restaurant staff and animals as well

>>76514808
Time to stop posting bro, go outside. You sound unwell. Focus on yourself.

>>76514686
Yes, TRT dose at this level.

>>76514828
Is that enough to affect your testicles (shrinkage and fertility) and hair? Can you do/take something to reduce the side effects?

>>76514846
HCG to avoid ball shrinkage, fertility gets lowered but not eliminated. Hair is only affected if you would get bald anyway, now it can happen somewhat faster. Finasteride to avoid any shedding, I dont see the point unless you have balding genes.

>>76514873
Thanks.

>>76514072
Do you agree with transgenderism? Because it's basically the same

>>76514002
>If you didn't care about competition or what others thought of you you'd never have use of steroids.
Trvke.

>>76514006
He's >implying it

>It's just a small dose bro, a moderate cycle to raise above natty limitations bro...
>Trust me bro, it's just moderate, reasonable usage...
Do you realize how bad this sounds? You're like a junkie. Nobody gets only one botox injection, nobody only goes for a "small dose". Nobody does just a small, one-time whiff only of cocaine

I do not trust junkies. Especially when their drug addiction hampers their capability for rational thought

>>76515368
The rational choice between pinning and being low test (the average male today) is pinning. You're the retard.

>>76512948 (OP)
I couldn't possibly care less about roiders and ill never understand your obsession with them.

>>76515504
Okay, roidtranny.

>>76515514
You will never be a natural.

>>76515548
Why would I want to be average

>>76512948 (OP)
Roiders are MTM troons lmao
Imagine trading off some years of looking jacked for being completely fucked down the line, even more so if you stop roiding at some point
But I don't feel sorry for them, every roidmonkey I've ever met was such a massive cunt that they all absolutely deserved the downward spiral they all ended up in eventually

>>76516106
I've had the exact opposite experience. I got taught how to lift years ago by the older jacked roided guys because nobody else gave 130 pound soaking wet me the time of day. They're pretty chill, you sound like a crab.

I don't do them because there's really bad long term consequences. With that being said, I'm not competing against anyone, thus I'm not cheating. And even if I were, it wouldn't be by choice, it would be a prisoner's dilemma, so "cheating" isn't wrong (or right), it's rational.

>>76516115
No. Not in my experience.
I have no doubt that there are some chill ones out there, but I certainly never met them.

>>76516106
How does roiding completely fuck you down the line? Intelligent autist here

>>76516200
It doesnt. Dont listen to this obsessed jealous retard ITT.

>>76513690
I mostly agree with this sentiment, but I still call roiders roidtrannies because the word is funny and its very comparable
Nothing personal, I don't hate roidtrannies and I would roid myself if I could but the word is too fitting lol

>>76516200
By annihilating your natural test production, so you either become a quasi-eunuch or have to keep getting test to seem like your balls aren't completely rekt (which they are, the only difference is in its outward visibility on the rest of your body)
>>76516210
Cope harder roidtranny

>>76516218
Isn't this usually recoverable? I've only seen a handful of cases where it wasn't

>>76515548
Shitty low IQ replies in a shitty thread made by an unbalanced insecure autismo. Grow up.

>>76516223
Depends on what you mean by "recoverable". Your natural test levels will never be what they should be in most cases. Most people who get off roids continue getting TRT for the rest of their lives.

>>76516223
Why are you asking that fucking faggot lmao, he isn't exactly a rational and knowledgable actor. Google it.

>>76516230
>Your natural test levels will never be what they should be in most cases.
Isn't this usually not true? The case studies I've seen indicate >95% recovery, decline of T levels can usually be attributed to aging
>>76516233
I have, just trying to hear this anon out

>>76516230
Wrong. You are a JOKE. Spouting made-up bullshit on le 4chinz.

>>76516243
Okay raisinballs, I hope your post-roid gyno gets you the boyfriend of your dreams you fucking faggot

>>76516241
>decline of T levels can usually be attributed to aging
when controlling for body comp, diet, exercise, alcohol, drugs, etc T does not decline with age not until you're on your deathbed anyway

>>76516252
Yeah I know anon, I meant declining lifestyle due to age

>>76514545
Not surprised that Trump Derangement Syndrome and this anti-roid karening go hand in hand.
Weak insecure people obsessing over vague undefined "cheating"

>>76516617
>vague undefined
It's very clear and defined.

>>76516739
cry some more bitch
That's all this thread is - you crying like a bitch.
Years ago people would be embarrassed to make such pathetic spectacles of themselves but you faggots nowadays only want attention

>>76516759
>make such pathetic spectacles
Ironic. Maybe you should cycle off for a bit? Aggression levels are getting a bit out of control, my roidtranny friend.

>>76516765
>laughs at you for being a little faggot
>y-y-you're r-r-roid raging!
lmao what a crybaby bitch

>>76516230
Thats the whole point of PCT to get you back to your normal pre roiding levels, retard

>>76512948 (OP)
Comparison is the thief of joy

>>76515335
>Do you agree with transgenderism?
The use of loose language like this is a good example of how hopeless most people are when it comes to effectively discussing things. It seems like an innocent question, and surely loads of retards on this board are going to be quick to try and answer it, but the actual structure of your question is flawed. There's no clear proposition, so it's not even clear what you're asking. You should reformulate your question to be meaningful if you care about getting meaningful responses and not just vague word-association level responses from people who either have positive or negative emotional sentiment towards transgenderism

>>76519600
ur projecting

>>76512948 (OP)
Roiders are PUSSIES with shit genes.

>>76519882
ur projecting

>>76519913
>>76519875
ur projecting

>>76519875
Projecting my cum into your mom’s vagina

>>76520067
cope

>>76520259
Copulating with your mom’s vagina

It's funny, you get nothing but compliments, respect IRL, but seething online. Hilarious, why wouldn't you claim natty so you get the best of both worlds? All of you seething pajeet faggots don't say shit IRL.

>>76520621
>everyone I don't like on 4chan is a pajeet
They really do live rent free in your head.

>>76514072
Such a shit mentality. Does nothing to impact her accomplishment but makes it into a big deal lol

Not everyone has the hormone levels of the gender they want to be, anon, so they have to inject those hormones, to get the from external sources. We call them (roid)trannies. :)

Also steroids literally make your stupider, look it up.

Also imagine being so insecure you feel like you need steroids, even though you're not going to compete. Everyone who developed normally to a healthy man just goes about life and succeeds with whatever they do, whether they are jacked or not. People have amazing lives without even working out. The biggest womanizers everyone knows, don't even fucking work out lol, you know it's true. Actually imagine being like 20 and thinking "ok if i just get bigger everything will be ok!" It's such a fucked up headspace I have a hard time imagining the bullying or abuse they must have gone through to get like that. Or maybe it's just too much failure and shitty social media. Normal people just play football or ice hockey or whatever and get a job and get laid. Incels think roiding will fix shit, then they come here rationalizing their decisions, lying about "b-b-but this is a good idea, now my 20s are awesome" etc. When really they're probably spending their extra sex drive jacking off to AI porn.

>>76523862
>Also steroids literally make your stupider, look it up.
Is there any actual truth to this if you do sane cycles without using exotic compounds

>>76523901
yeah I'm more scatter brained since I started roiding. Forgetting my keys etc. I also retired early from a job that required a lot of quick thinking and decision making so maybe my brain just doesnt get exercised enough anymore idk

>>76523862
you're literally make up bullshit in your head and saying "all roiders like this" just so you can sound superior on the internet.
The only insecure people here are you nattytrammys that rant about roiders all day long

>>76524351
What are you running?

>>76524384
I've done a bit of everything over the years

>>76512948 (OP)
>roid but don't do anything but lay in bed all day
>keep roiding until body can't produce natural T
>stop roids and then start working out to set the difficulty to high

>>76524715
This is actually what some people do to tank their testosterone into the ground so they can get a legit "TRT" prescription from their doctor.