Thread 76553962

>>76553962 (OP)
Why do so many big fuckers deadlift massive weights then?

>>76553977
Jeets and zoomers will never admit it, but literally nothing will give you massive back like deadlifts. If I couldn't do anything else, I'd do deads, squats, chins and dips.

Dyel "Fuck Your Shit Up In 2 Sets" McDonald on his way to make another thread while also grasping at sour grapes.

>>76553977
Counterpoint, how is it that deadlifts have some of the most DYEL skellies pulling big numbers compared to other lifts? Lyle is ultimately correct that they’re a poor hypertrophy movement and RDLs are objectively better.

>>76553977
ronnie can deadlift big weight because he is big

he did not solely get to deadlifting big weight because he deadlifted more and more weight up to that point, he did all other kinds of bodybuilding exercises for his legs that made them that large

like
>>76554008
there are people that deadlift 800 pounds and have tiny arms and torsos

>>76554008
Post dyel skelly deadlifting 800lbs+
Also
>Starting the exercise at the top instead of the bottom makes a discernable difference
You are retarded.

>>76554008
>muh RDLs
You misspelled back extensions

>>76554013
Post people deadlifting 800lbs that are "tiny." Prove to us your body dysmorphia

>>76553998
>Dyel "Fuck Your Shit Up In 2 Sets" McDonald
kek

>>76554008
Show me skelly string bean niggas pulling 600lbs+ conventional on a straight bar. Sumo is another lift entirely

>>76553994
Rack pulls are honestly a better version of dls for mid/upper back

>>76554008
I've never seen these people with good leverages pull more than 5-6 plates.

>>76554074
1170 lbs?

>>76553994
Any other dedicated back exercise like rows, shrugs, or rack pulls will give you a bigger back than diddlies.
Just say you like deadlifting and continue to do it. Your preference for deadlifts however does not bend reality and suddenly make it good for back hypertrophy.

Do people think otherwise? I thought it was common knowledge deadlits are better for strength expression and general conditioning.

>>76554049
okay, not 800 lbs specifically but this is jonnie candito (a powerlifter) deadlifting 500 pounds for 9 reps

does this look like an impressive physique to you? from the waist up he looks like he barely trains

>>76554211
First of all, his quads are massive, and from whatever we can tell through that shirt his arms look decent size. Not only that, I just looked him up on YouTube and he looks good when he's lean/flexing AND he has been deadlifting for the past 14 years. Also 500 vs 800, lmao.

>>76554008
>they’re a poor hypertrophy movement and RDLs are objectively better.
I think dls with a long hold are good for traps and forearms, including appearance.

>>76554211
>from the waist up he looks like he barely trains
You clearly see forearm muscle, biceps and triceps despite him being high in BF. What would he look like if he slimmed down?

But yeah he made a video on how he looked better back when he did bodybuilding training and how despite him being the strongest he ever has he look worse then what he did.

>>76553962 (OP)
garbage? no
suboptimal? i guess? but the hyperoptimization mindset for exercise is stupid, there's a general range of effectiveness for movements and programming and anything that falls within it can work for some better than others, if you enjoy deadlifting its a movement where you get to move big weights, which helps build mental and physical endurance, which in turn allows you to push yourself harder in other sets now that you know what an actual hard rep feels life
on the other hand if they hurt or you simply dont like them there's plenty to replace them with, but you are not gonna stay small or blow up just because of 1 exercise

>>76554211
>from the waist up he looks like he barely trains
he doesnt look bodybuilder big and delts could certainly use work but you are crazy if you think he looks small

>>76554211
He looks solid, you can't get substantially larger than your frame without gear

>>76553977
Genetic outliers. The top 1% of humans are very strong and you can't ever become them.
Furthermore people who deadlift are relatively rare in the sphere of fitness and I'd guess 90% of thosexor more have been training for many years using many different techniques and only a tiny part of that was deadlifts. Not many jacked dudes have deadlifts as their main lift if at all.
You see Eddie Hall or Thor and think it's the cheat code to unlock a big build but it's not. It's just another lift. Far more men have gotten big without deadlift

>>76553962 (OP)
He's correct. I love deadlifts but nobody got big because they got a 600lbs deadlift.

>>76553977
Ronnie would look big doing literally anything. He has freak genetics + steroids. 16-year-old Ronnie mogs this entire board.

>>76554064
i though rack pulls are supposed to start at knee height?

>>76554936
Only if you're a retard.

>>76553962 (OP)
relative to the amount of energy you need to put in maybe but then what other exercises can you do for that posterior chain which don't also take a shitload of energy? 6 different isolation lifts are not a solution because some of us value our time

>>76554063
these dudes are all pretty small

>>76553977
Do they though? Outside roidtrannies and professionals, I only ever see dyels doing deadlifts. All the big guys in my gym are using machines with heavy weights.

>>76553977
>not even 4pl8

>>76555031
> All the big guys in my gym are using machines with heavy weights.
They're also on steroids, to be fair.

>>76555068
No they aren't, there's only one guy and it's pretty noticeable.

>>76554211
Deadlifts are an exercise for the glutes, spinal erectors, adductors and hamstrings.
Muscles that don't exactly pop out in a tshirt and shorts from a front shot.

>>76553962 (OP)
>guy who says deadlifts bad has a pencil neck
as expected

>>76555072
>No they aren't

Oh, sweet summer child.

>>76555292
He literally competed in powerlifting and has coached powerlifters

Jo Palacios has one of the best backs in bodybuilding right now and never deadlifts. Fun fact: He does not barbell row either.

>>76553977
Most bodybuilders will tell you the only reason they deadlift is because moving big weights is fucking fun, not because it does much for their physique. Plenty of them also don't deadlift at all or stopped deadlifting at some point, because it grows their waist too much and is too much risk for too little reward. They all do RDLs or stiff legged deadlifts though.

>>76555565
> too much risk for too little reward. They all do RDLs or stiff legged deadlifts though
This is the correct answer.

>person with body A has great leverages and swears deadlifts are a gift from God
>person with body B has terrible leverages and swears deadlifts are a ticket to snap city

Same shit for every exercise. Same shit in every thread.

>>76555555
checked and Lylepilled

>>76555565
>Deadlifts are garbage for hypertrophy
>Deadlifts grow the waist
Which one is it?
Also, variations of deadlifts are deadlifts.

>>76554008
>DYEL skellies pulling big numbers
>RDLs are objectively better

yeah no shit, because maxing out isn't optimal for hypertrophy compared to just lower weight volume. The actual deadlift exercise is good though

>>76555565
>Plenty of them also don't deadlift at all or stopped deadlifting at some point, because it grows their waist too much
Deadlifts don't grow your waist, but taking androgenic anabolic steroids and anabolic peptides that make all of your soft tissues grow while overeating and training your obliques and rectus abdominis will.
> They all do RDLs or stiff legged deadlifts though.
There is little difference between deadlifts, RDLs and SLDLs since they all load the spine along with its extensors, glutes, hams and a bunch of other muscles on your thighs.

>>76555555
check and based
lyle btfos faggots

>>76554008
>Counterpoint, how is it that deadlifts have some of the most DYEL skellies pulling big numbers compared to other lifts?
Post the dyel skellies and their big numbers because I have never seen that happen

>>76554211
That's the natty limit, if you're not happy with it then roid

>>76555555
All hail Lyle, the king of /fit/!

>>76555767
The difference is people go full retard with normal deadlifts instead of doing sets of >5, deadlifting heavy is cool but going for higher reps is arguably more useful (RDLs are goated anyway)

>itt: dyels defending dl because that's one of the very few exercises they think they're good at because the actually yoked guys at their gyms don't do them so they don't have a point of reference
it's not a great exercise if safety and hypertrophy are your priorities
honestly the main selling point is that you can load a lot of weight which looks good on paper
I can't even blame you kids for buying into this shit because I spent years deadlifting heavy (because this is what the internet told nerds to do at that time) and didn't really benefit from it in any meaningful way expect for contributing to my spinal injuries
but seriously though, don't overdo this stuff, there's little to gain, obsessing about lower body exercises is nerdy af and your spine is at stake
spend more time training your forearms and calves so you actually look like an athlete and not a t-rex bitch nerd

>>76554211
Big boy

>>76554211
If this looks like a DYEL to you then you have retarded standards. Aside from his legs since you said waist up, his forearms are 1.5x that of a normal guy and his arms and pecs are like 2x normie non-lifters

>>76554211

yes. 5plate dadlift with no wristwraps is strong asf.

>>76554211
Careful with your non deadlifting back moving those goalposts
>skellie
>good physique
He is thick as fuck, yes, doesn't look like he has boulder shoulders or mad traps, but also doesn't look like he has ever raided. You are weak.

>>76556744
A more accurate description would be his physique is easily attainable witout ever deadlifting. He doesn't look particularly better from deadlifting. The whole argument is that deadlift is some big guy hack. It's the opposite really. Practically any routine will net similar results or better. Also I'm sure Candito does a whole plethora of lifts

>muh looks

the glassback DYELs are endless yet they critique powerchads as if they are on the same level.

>>76556936
I can max out a back extension machine I don't think my back is ever going to be weak from not deadlifting. I could have a 500lb human on my back while laying face down and easily yeet them off me.

>>76556925
>The whole argument is that deadlift is some big guy hack. It's the opposite really. Practically any routine will net similar results or better.

Exactly correct

The only downside I can see to not deadlifting is spinal erectors

Everything else you get from a deadlift you can target more directly with other lifts

>>76556987
haha yeah fuck machines and virtually every reputable athlete who has used them aka literally every single one

ok you're mental you need medical attention not anon's pov

>>76553994
You’re a retarded dyel. You’d get better results with less effort by barbell rowing. There is no reason to deadlift ever

most deadlift proponents are manlets with monkey arms pulling sumo with zero rom. you're not eddie hall you're a dyel

>>76557097
Why would you train to pick heavy thing off floor? When does a human EVER need to pick up heavy thing off floor? Useless exercise I swear. Hey why did I throw my back out moving a couch at 50??? I did so many rowssss

>>76557233
oh no?

>yeah bro, I deadlift
>how could you tell?

>>76557233
>bro thought he made a good argument

>>76557250
i too can easily rack pull 600+ with straps lol

>>76557260
no dude thats a deadlift

you can tell because of his massive physique

>>76557260
go strapless

>>76557277
unless it's double overhand no point in strapless

Fuck biden I lost 4 years of lift during that time

>>76557233
>When does a human EVER need to pick up heavy thing off floor?
pretty much never because I'm not a manual laborer. The dozen days of the year I need to it's with a modified squat because of how much safer of a movement it is

ALIVEnolifts > DEADlifts
prove wrong, you can't

no deadlifts or squats = no gains
i've never seen someone that's big that is not able to lift really heavy
feel free to prove me wrong with examples

>>76558263
basement bodybuilding doesn't do squats or conventional deadlifts

he does variations like stiff legged deadlifts and hack squats, but not conventional barbell squats and no conventional/sumo deadlifts

>>76558281
>he doesn't squat, but does squat and deadlift variations more suited for hypertrophy
I don't view him but I can guarantee at some point in the past he did the full retard bulk powerfat thing
most big people did, then either went on to lift stupid weights as a bloatlord or slimmed down and became more fizeek oriented
is it "optimal"? not at all, but I fail to see how you learn this game and stay with it without that initiation

>>76558281
>not conventional barbell squats
https://youtu.be/MSq5AVIut0k?t=293
>lifts that built my physique
>high bar barbell squats

NEXT

>>76558293
yawn
https://youtu.be/VUxZEXXSCIw

he doesnt do them anymore

>>76558304
https://youtu.be/rKF2hYy5Ui0?t=121
>455lb low bar squat
>605lb deadlift

yeah man he only built his entire physique on the big 3 then transitioned into doing bodybuilding-style training. quitting them in his 7th year of lifting doesn't negate the impact it would have on his physique.
how much would he be able to deadlift if he trained it again? this is what i'm saying. not necessarily that he doesn't deadlift right now but IF he tested his deadlift max today, it would be very high because of carryover from other lifts, like the sldl which is just a fucking deadlift with less knee bend.

>>76558320
>he only built his entire physique on the big 3 then transitioned into doing bodybuilding-style training.

this is entirely cope and he's made several videos pointing out exactly why it's cope

https://youtu.be/m-uINT0cquI

>lifting for strength doing "powerbuilding" with SBD
>get a decent physique pushing numbers
>ditch them, get weaker, only gets larger

saying he built his entire physique off them and is now just coasting while he's ditched them and only gotten larger since not doing them and getting weaker while not doing them is crazy

>>76556941
No you couldn't

>>76558497
Yeah I definitely can, easily.

>>76558507
You're way overestimating your ability to even move your appendages with a 500lbs person engulfing your body. You are full of shit

>>76558513
Well the back extension machine was like 300 lbs or so I did 10 reps of that fully untrained and was not even remotely fatigued. I might need a few weeks to acclimate to 500lbs on my back but I've had over 600lbs on my back so I know what weight feels like.

>>76558362
Yates also stopped doing squats. He kept doing deadlifts primarily for his lower back though.

>>76558518
wrong guy my guy he's world famous for not lifting heavy

>>76558517
Are you stupid? If you're laying flat on the ground and a 500lb sack of shit is on top of you, how exactly do you think you can extend your back further back? Your dumb ass would literally be suffocating while you reflect on your stupid claim

>>76558524
I can extend my back with over 300lbs on it 10 times bare minimum. 500lbs once shouldn't be hard. I know what 600lbs+ feels like so I have no clue what point you're trying to make.

>>76558528
If you're not pretending to be stupid, you have shit for brains

>>76558529
Sounds like you're a pathetic weakling tbqh

>>76553977
and yet when you watch natties lifting big weights on IPF or whatever powerlifting competition you can notice that most of them look rather dyel

>>76553962 (OP)
Here's your hypertrophy expert

>>76554211
Because you are used to looking at roidbags and fake natties who are single digit bodyfat. Getting big muscles won't make you look like a bodybuilder if you have bodyfat, and nothing will make you look like a bodybuilder if you don't abuse steroids.

i deadlifted today aaaaHH im fucking going insane

>>76553962 (OP)
>>76553977
Deadlift surely hits more body parts than any other exercise, but the thing is, it doesn't excel the other focused ones except the glutes and hamstrings, which are the main targets of deadlift not back, and you can do that without any risks that deadlift has with leg curls and squats. It is truly a mishmash exercise for good or bad with considerable injury risk, so it's your choice. Dorian Yates always carefully avoided any risks but he did DL, but not squats. Besides Tom Platz was the opposite.

>>76554008
Because the barbell is in a fixed position. Therefore some bodies have an extremely good leverage over it. Manlets with longer legs and even freakishly longer arms will have a deadlift that's 200-300lb higher than their squat.

>>76554902
Top 1% isn't that difficult. If you lift 225 on the bench you're already within the global top 1% of strength.

Top 1% of serious lifters (3-4x / week with focus on strength) in the 18-45 age category? Yeah that's a lot more difficult.

>>76553962 (OP)
Trap bar is better in every way.

>>76558768
yeah i mean people who lift and it's besides the point eddie hall is very clearly an outlier

>>76558724
Him and that Australian guy never ever ever mention the numbers that Lyle hit powerlifting

>>76558758
Dorian stopped squatting because an injury made it impossible for him to do them, not because he thought they were a bad exercise. He still did squats in the Smith machine

>>76556617
Forearm and calf routine reccs?

>>76556617
>spend more time training your forearms and calves so you actually look like an athlete
if you wanna look like an athlete engage in athletic activities lol

>>76555043
Those 100lb plates that’s 800 lbs total retard

>>76558362
Serge Nubret was a 500lb bench presser stfu

>>76559068
He claimed that there's no proof. He built his entire body and repertoire as the low weight volume guy.

>>76559085
*high volume

Regardless of whatever claims were made he was only ever seen doing lightweight training.
Also one of the best physiques in the history of bodybuilding

>>76559090
Guarantee with a physique like his he was able to rep much higher weights than he was seen doing

>>76559097
k but the fact is he built his physique with lightweight and all your claiming would mean you don't need to lift heavy to lift heavy so that would refute heavy deadlifts even more

>>76554211
this guy looks huge wtf are u talking about? looks a little fat and like he doesn't try to looksmax to the extreme like most people

>>76559124
his wife mogs him tbqh

>>76559134
>lose your asian whore because you post a video of you two who are IN a relationship hugging
>you have to apologize to her parents
>STILL lose asian whore
>have to resort to whatever the fuck that is
I feel bad for Candito but he's a pure powerlifter with a weird looking body and hair thinning so I guess for him pussy is pussy

>>76559134
black queens love strong white men