Thread 76595713

>Who is /fat/ for?
For veggie vapers, working towards a longer life and a better physique through meaningful hard-work, strategy, and dedication. This is not QTDDTOT, stick to questions on fat loss. Post height and weight when asking for advice.
Join our Fatty Contest: https://www.fattycontest.com/

>What do I do first?
1. Read https://physiqonomics.com/fat-loss/
2. Calculate your Body Fat Percentage: https://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy
3. Calculate your TDEE: https://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/
Remember to use bodyfat% and use Katch-McArdle Formula with sedentary settings or your TDEE will be too high.
4. Plan your weight loss: https://www.losertown.org/eats/cal.php
5. Track your nutrition with MyFitnessPal (better for packaged food), Cronometer (better for generic food/macros), LoseIt (great for both), or Waistline (FOSS).

>Now what?
Count calories, all of them.
Eat about 500-1000 less calories than your TDEE.
Buy scales, be accurate.
Learn to cook. Try to stick to lean protein and green vegetables.
Eat a lot of protein. 0.72g per pound of goal lean body mass.
Doing cardio, even just walking, will improve your health. There is no such thing as a healthy fat heart, but you can offset the risks.
Lifting weights will keep and gain muscle mass and lose fat much quicker. Not lifting results in the body eating away muscle AND fat.
Drink more water.
Read the /fit/ sticky: https://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

>DON'T
Eat refined sugars, they're terrible for you regardless of calories.
Eat processed foods.
Drink your calories (alcohol, soda, Starbucks).
Freak out over a weight loss stall. Plateaus can last up to three weeks.
"Reward" yourself. Cheat days cheat only yourself.

>Other resources:
Loose skin, gynecomastia & stretch marks: https://weight-loss-side-effects.netlify.app/

Previous thread: >>76592261

>Eat salty meal
>Gain 10lbs today
Fuck this shit

>eat meal
ngmi

CICObros... please tell me this isnt real

>eat
ngmi

>>76595723
just piss it out

>>76595723
Imagine being a CICOtard who repeatedly diligently weighs himself because he can never be truly sure his body is burning fat, and predictably sees the number go up and starts panicking. Just stop eating carbs and you won't get these weight fluctuations.

>>76595713 (OP)
Get injuried and get soft.
Follow SS and dirty bulk unintentionally bc tragedies wrecked my self esteem (lost job, homeless, killed a man in self defense, landed on a friends couch)
Just ate and powerlifted and drank
6ft 1 270. Hit 315 on bench for a double and deadlift 505, but now have a big swollen gut which is fixable, but massive pregnancy stretch marks that will never go away. I am at 255 now and it's disgusting. I am about 18% body fat at 200.

It's orge. I will never be aesthetic bc I became a mediocre powershitter. Even if I loose the weight I will be fucked. I'm only 26 and past my prime.

I would give anything to be a 190lb cardio and BJJ fat again like I was at 19

>>76595797
>repeatedly diligently
>truly sure
>predictably sees
this is how autistics talk

>>76595834
Imagine having so much brain rot from years of frequent blood sugar spikes that a few adverbs causes you visceral upset. That is why we call you carbtards.

Also, sentences start with capital letters and end with punctuation.

>>76595833
>I'm only 26
you have time. start doing cardio to sort out your fat distribution

>>76595848
I am, doing rolling fast and walking all day as part of my job.
still, my scars are a mark from God of my gluttony and they destroy how I look. It is gross

>>76595848
I would give up benching 3 plates for reps, deadlifting 5, and squating 4 if I got a healthy lean body and skin back.

There are 3 about 6-7 inches long and half an inch thick on my gut going vertically. I don't even have that big of a gut and carry 192lbs of lean body mass according to my dexa scan.

I fucked up. All those hours in the gym and eating crap just to destroy my body

>>76595723
That's pretty extreme. You should get your heart checked out since it really sounds like you should be on meds.

>>76595713 (OP)
Itt: future rehab room viewers

>>76595869
Will you please stop coping? You don't have 192lbs of LBM you'd be above ffmi 25. You have a massive gut. You will make all these claims but you won't post body because you know what I'm saying is true.

> I don't even have that big of a gut

Lel

>but now have a big swollen gut

Kek

>carry 192lbs of lean body mass

Lel

>I am about 18% body fat at 200

Math? Never heard of her

>>76595888
I'm already a rehab room viewer. Weight management for me is about health, not looks.

The nuns? Also dbdr watchers. They gather the ducks around while they all sit down in a huddle and listen to how he drank away his check yet again for the last month.

>>76595905
you are right. I am fat as fuck I gotta own it.
I am not even that strong for my weight

1rm on bench is 325
deadlift is 505
squat is 350 bc I have a fucked up knee.

I have more like 170ish lbm

>>76595905
I am not comfortable posting myself without clothes bc I am disgusting but here is where I am at now

3 plate bench (did not record the 325)
https://youtube.com/shorts/3ObtaeWV6Sk?si=LoTt2YnWkmvEJBZX
225 for reps
https://youtube.com/shorts/b00YsVL1cVQ?si=CtjDUYDL-8PdI9ru
5 plate deadlift
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZbjFVEqq1eU

so yeah. I am fat and my strength is not good relative to how fat I am

>>76596036
good benches man
hope I can get there sooner rather than later, though I doubt with my size ill ever be able to do 3 plates

>>76596045
the whole point is the unintentional bulk at 20% body fat was retarded. I would go back to being 190 any day of the week.

It sucks, but I am on day 4 of a fast. I am just done eating until I am either fat or need to go to the hospital. Doing snake juice, coffee, cigs, and tons of water.

>>76596051
*either not fat

>>76596051
Just take it slow and steady man.. if you cant handle eating how youre going to eat for the rest of your life at your new weight now then you wont ever be able to do it

500 kcal a day deficit

>>76595960
For me? It's Savvy guy.

>>76596051
>need to go to the hospital
i am assuming that you are american, seeing your use of funny units. aren't you afraid of being stuck with a bill that you can't pay?

>>76596056
I hate being fat so much I am willing to sacrifice my lean muscle to do it.
I have a dermatology appointment on tuesday for treatment. I know the stretchmarks are scars and will never go away, but I hope being relatively young and getting treatment will help them fade as much as possible

>>76596065
I am a vet so I get free healthcare. I was poor before I joined the army so I got free healthcare through the state.

>>76596051
>>76596076
keep going, my only advice is to have an extremely high protein refeed day every 3-5 days and still do some cardio
you can mitigate most of the muscle loss that way
good luck anon

>>76595713 (OP)
I'm looking to lose my muffin top without weight training and just cardio, mix of high intensity runs, with slower paces runs and biking for fun. Is this feasible?

Today's OMAD:
1 can sardines (166 kcal)
3 eggs (210 kcal)
1 tsp olive oil (40 kcal)
60g reduced fat cheese (165 kcal)
5 cans monster zero (like 40-50 at best)
4 cups black coffee (negligible)

>>76596051
Based, ignore the CICOtards in your replies

>>76596056
t. loses 4lbs a month

>>76596101
To be clear, the caffeinated drinks are spread throughout the day, obviously not consuming all of them at once

>>76596101
yeah. I actually lied I do have 2/3 white monsters a day and I realized they have 10kcal.

So it's not a pure fast, but the cigs and white monster keep me going. this is my second long fast. first was for 1 week, this one will be for 2.

I'm not interested in spending 4 years of my life losing 1 pound a week.

feeling like absolute dogshit but at least im not hungry
going to get some coffee, hopefully the hunger doesn't come back so I can finish the 36 hours

>>76595797
Based and correct.

CICO is some sort of mental illness. They have to weigh all their food, log everything in a diary, and then still weigh themselves constantly because they know it doesn't really work. Why bother? Because they can't quit sugar?

I never weigh myself. I just eat unlimited calories of low-carb food. I know for sure I can't be fat doing that.

>>76596095
2 hours a day, sure

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>>76596153
It does work. I can eat whatever I want and I will consistently lose a 1lb a week if I calculate 500kcal a day deficit

I dont even log my stuff. I just eyeball it. sandwich? 500kcal. Burger? Lets call it 800kcal. Its easy to eyeball if youre not in denial. I tend to overestimate to make sure I dont overdo it. I lost 1lb a week almost exactly for 12 month in a row. Didnt matter if it was sweets or boiled chicken. end result was the same

>>76596203
Cico doesn't work. It causes inevitable weight regain.

The cico poster? A survivor main who can't loop for his life. Not worth listening to.

>>76596215
Nothing works for those people, theyre horribly addicted to food to such an extent they cannot stop themselves and get to 600+lbs.

I did CICO and lost 50lbs in a year and its been over a year with zero reweight gain. In fact I keep getting fitter.

>>76596264
Post body.

so hungry...

>>76596272
I'm 6 days into a fast and I'm not particularly hungry.

If you just don't eat carbs your body can burn fat for energy and you won't be hungry.

>cutting sucks ass so try to do body recomp instead
>weight loss slows down
>negligible muscle gain

What do anons

>>76596294
if I was doing it all over again I would take a low dose of ozempic and eat high protein / low carb / low fat
you can always eat more and bulk later, but there is nothing worse than being fat or skinnyfat

>>76596304
But would you focus on pure weight loss or body recomposition ?

>>76596294
Quit carbs. You can eat unlimited protein and fat. You will build muscle while continuing to lose fat.

Keto causes:
- increased metabolism
- mote muscle mass an less body fat at any weight
- less hunger

>>76596307
"body recomp" takes over a year or at the bare minimum 6+ months if you've never lifted and follow a strict program
you can lose as much weight as you want, as long as you're getting enough protein in your first year and lifting hard you'll still be gaining loads of muscle

>>76596313
So I guess I can just focus on cutting and as long as I eat shit ton of protien I can still gain muscle is what youre saying anon..::

>>76596324
that is exactly what I am saying

what is the best fat loss drug stack (along with calorie deficit obviously) for fastest rate of fat loss fitcels ??? i'm trying to jeff seidmaxx..........

>>76596332
most people seem to be going Mounjaro. it just makes you not hungry though, its not going to eat your fat or anything

>>76596348
Retaturtide willl though….

>>76596332
tren + clen + mounjaro + mk677 + 300mg (at least) of test
don't be surprised if you die within 5 years

Beginner Level:
>Oh wow this anti keto guy maybe he has a point
Intermediate level:
>Fucking keto Schitzo
Master level
>There's also an anti keto schitzo schitzo and it's both of them together that ruin every. single. thread.

>h wow this anti carb guy maybe he has a point
FML my brain is broken from juice fasting all day. I thought drinking juice and having sugar was supposed to give me energy? I thought I was going to faint by 3 PM.
Now my daughter made Poutine sigh.

>>76596382
Weird, well maybe you're better off doing something else then
When I did the sugar fast I had energy from day 2 and felt absolutely amazing

>>76596361

how is the tren and test and mk going to help rate of fat loss though ? i can understand clen and monjoro though..............

>>76596382
>do a retarded hippie meme fast
>have low energy

>>76596412
it was a joke, you shouldnt take any of those (besides maybe mounjaro)
but they all work basically the same way
>greatly increase muscle mass
>increasing muscle mass takes protein + calories, meaning your body has less calories for other shit meaning you burn more fat
>muscle by itself burns way more calories than fat, so just having more muscle increases your BMR
don't do it, the downsides make it not worth it, unless you've already been lifting for years you shouldn't consider gear

>walk 22k steps yesterday
>eat nothing but the lowest calorie burger I could muster
>lose 900g
WAGMI

>>76596428
nice

>>76596332
>>76596361
Orlistat will prevent some calories from being absorbed
GLP-1 (ozempic/wegovy, mounjaro)
Caffeine. If you understand the risks, stronger stimulants like ritalin/adderall/cocaine/etc, but really just use caffeine

That's it, anything else is going into roidtranny territory

>>76595713 (OP)
Anyone else find that it's genuinely easier to just starve yourself than it is to eat a balanced diet?

>>76596462
"Starve yourself" is normie terminology, fasting =/= starving, but yes, its much easier. All the science on hunger hormones explained this years ago.

>>76596462
Yeah, if starving yourself didn't work that one guy that fasted for a whole year wouldn't have lived.

>>76596462
Yeah it’s always easy until you fall back to binging

>>76596462
>>76596476
2nded
It's way easier to stay fasted. As soon as I eat, it basically starts the "I'm hungry" clock. If I eat in the morning, light or heavy, I'm starving at noon. If I don't eat at all, its 2pm before I even notice a tiny bit of hunger....and even then, usually not until closer to dinner.
I'm also weirdly full of energy the whole time I'm fasted
>>76596332
>>76596442
To add, EC(A) stack (I prefer only EC).
Ephedrine + caffeine is the real deal. I track calories/weight, and there is a very clear breakpoint in how fast I lose weight when I start an EC stack (2x day for me, I don't like to do caffeine a 3rd time later in the day). I'll do it for like 1-2 weeks at a time since it makes me feel like I'm on crack, but the weight loss is crazy fast. I have steady weight loss slope (on average), then EC stack start will show a sharper decline in slope, then it steadies out to the original slope when I stop.

should i limit my time at the stationary bike? today i used for a little more than 2 hrs/50 kms(i use whenever watching something)

i am not in any sort of pain

>>76596435
Considering my goal yesterday was to lose at least 13kg by December 27, I'm off to a flying start.

im so fucking hungry

>>76596462
fasting is pretty easy, yeah

Mounjaro is fucking great. You guys gotta try this.

>>76596518
should be fine if it's low intensity
take a day off if your joints hurt or anything

Did the math and to reach my target of 107kg by Dec 27 I need to average 12k steps a day and not cheat on my diet once.
Wish me luck, frens.

>>76596538
And will continue to be until you stop eating carbs

>>76595713 (OP)
How do I stop associating unrestricted eating with happiness?

>>76596649
Nothing tastes better than being skinny feels.

>>76596651
Can confirm this is bs, when I got abs and was still a miserable incel, started eating cake and chilling again and felt better

>>76596649
Ozempic.

>>76596670
This, you will be finally a normal human

>managed to finish another 24 hour fast after 3 weeks of trying
feels great, glad to know I can still do it. I kept trying and failing 4 times, every single time the hunger would start and would never go away after 8 hours. I'm going to go another 12 hours.

How do you know when your in ketosis? I want to try it out of curiosity

>>76596744
There's degrees of ketosis, it's not like an on / off switch.
It takes about a day to get into a deep enough ketogenic state where your body is burning primarily fat instead of carbs for energy, if you've never done it you will probably feel like absolute shit for the first 1-3 days until your body adapts. Working out and doing some cardio will help make you feel better.
As for symptoms, if you've never done it before you'll most likely get a rash around day 2 or 3 (in most cases it's not severe and goes away on it's own), and by the end of day 1 you will notice your breath is much shallower. Burning fat for energy instead of carbs produces less carbon dioxide, which in turn makes your breathing lighter.

>>76596462
I find that fasting for a single day will strangely suppress hunger signals for weeks or even months. But if I keep fasting my hunger will come back at full force and I'll end up binging.

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>>76596649
It's an addiction, so the less you do it the less you will want to do it.
Most important thing IMO is finding a replacement for what makes you happy.

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Motivational Song of the Day:
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>>76596781
similar experience here, fasting for a day makes me crave eggs and beef but fasting for multiple days desperately makes me crave junk food like pizza

>>76596462
If you have a desk job or a student? Sure. I cant imagine burning 4k calories daily and just not eat anything for days.

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FatLooser
88.7kg

Did my 12k steps today.
WAGMI

>>76595778
>Tell me how to distrust AI
Ok

>>76596101
>5 cans monster
>4 cups coffee
Dude come on that's at least a gram of caffeine assuming (very unlikely) that your cups of coffee are 8oz each. I don't want you to take offense to this, but you're in the fat loss general because you abused your body. Don't do this to yourself.

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Takatin
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>>76596367
>>There's also an anti keto schitzo schitzo
the anti is 10x worse than the actual dude
he'll mock you for losing weight by fasting or keto

>>76597136
>he'll mock you for losing weight by fasting or keto
oooh thats what that was, thanks, i thought i was going nuts for a moment.

If I don’t have visible abs by the end of this year then I need you guys to kill me

>>76596781
I've been doing OMAD fasting for almost 5 months but and after the first month, it was relatively easy. As in about 40% as hard as the first month. I've been relaxing it to 6 hours of eating about the same food but spread out for the last month and got more hungry. I did the tried and true 1 hour method and the hunger pangs went away after 1 fucking day.

>>76597177
Are you working out? You won't get abs just by losing weight.

>>76597188
yea you will, abs are 90% bodfyat
under 20 youll get some definition, under 15 theyll really start popping out

>>76596738
I couldn't do it
I gave up after 29 hours
I tried going to sleep and taking a nap to help with the hunger but I woke up two hours later starving and feeling like absolute shit and I ended up eating leftovers in the fridge. It's gotten much harder to fast after I've lost all this weight, whereas before I could drink coffee or work out to avoid the hunger, now it comes and never goes away. I guess going over a day again is still progress

>>76597197
No, you won't. There's a reason why those skinny emo guys who never work out and are very thin but don't have a six-pack. Working out a muscle makes it bigger and more prominent.

i'm going to fast starting today

>>76597122
Hey Takatin Hey!

>>76596505
Thats a mental illness problem, not a how you lost weight problem. Go to a therapist and psychiatrist for your brain rot already.

>>76596462
No.
I was eating 3 meals a day on 1200kcal, 1500kcal, and now 1800kcal, and I will continue to do so. Only feel hunger for like an hour before dinner if I eat breakfast early.

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FatGermanFuck
92.5kg

>managed to effortlessly lose as much weight as needed in my 30s to the point of people treating me much better than I feel
>almost completely incapable of professional advancement, unable to complete a university year for a decade and a half
fffffffffffu

on the treadmill rn, i wanna go home and play fortnite....

>>76597336
>t. retard who is about to join the 80% of fatties to regain the weight they lose times 2
if you can't even maintain a balanced diet for a while to lose weight, how do you expect to maintain it for the rest of your life to avoid regaining the weight?

willpower isn’t infinite, so how do you deal with crab-in-bucket friends/family/coworkers that offer goyslop to you constantly?

>>76596943
Never seen any reason to believe that high dose caffeine has any negative health effects. I just slept 8 hours fine.

>>76597507
either you make room for it in your macros or you decline. there is no alternative.

>>76597507
Learn to say no. People will respect you more. The absolute worst thing you can do for your relationships with anyone around you is to constantly agree with them and please them. Humans are wild animals, show them you're smarter than the herd they're in.

>>76597524
That's because you have so much mass hamplanet, that a large dose to a normal human is like childs play to you. You'd need to take 6x the dose because you have 6x the adipose

holy shit I have a jaw. I have an adam's apple
it's like I'm turning into a different person

>>76597572
You are, anon. Welcome to life, which truly begins at around 15% bodyfat :)

>>76597581
it's crazy, I've whinged in this general before that the scale's been going down for months and I couldn't feel a difference anywhere. Suddenly BOOM it's like all the changes are happening at once

>>76597588
Yep it's like one day you realize your new baseline and to top it all off, it just keeps getting better from there.

>>76597524
Well, I guess that settles it. Since you have never seen any reason, then I guess that it's perfectly benign.

>>76597524
>I ate 10 twinkies a day and didn't get fat, therefore this practice isn't negatively affecting my body.

>>76597566
I'm around 160lbs, do you think everyone here is obese?

>>76597619
...Yes, that's how it works. If science has settled on a drug being benign (and even beneficial), the burden of proof is on you to show otherwise

>>76597623
Oh, okay. You're just going to be obtuse and lie. Science has not shown that extremely high doses of caffeine are benign. Science has shown that less than half of that at the maximum per day is what's recommended for heart health. But you knew that. I won't try to engage further.

>>76597622
Twinkies don't increase metabolism, lower appetite, have 0 calories, and psychologically ease the burden/boredom of not eating

>>76597631
>Cigarettes are healthy because they make me feel good.
Keep digging your hole

>>76597507
>willpower isn’t infinite
wrong

>>76597629
That's a conservative estimate made to accommodate people predisposed to heart issues, there's never been any study suggesting cardiovascular risks for healthy adults.

>>76597639
Try saying that when your wife makes your favorite treat (chocolate chip cookies for me) and leaves them in the freezer and eats them at a rate of one per week. You know they're in there, you know how nice it'd be to devour them all, you used to devour them all and it made her happy and you happy. What harm is there in just eating one every once in awhile? Maybe if I budget for them it wouldn't be so bad just to have one. Next thing you know you've eaten them all.

>>76597635
Cigarettes are bad because:
>Chronic nicotine use causes the brain to adapt to the presence of the drug by changing the number and sensitivity of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors. These changes can persist for months or years after quitting.
>Reward System Alteration: Nicotine hijacks the brain’s reward pathways by increasing dopamine release, especially in the mesolimbic system. This rewiring can make the brain more sensitive to triggers, stress, or cues related to smoking—even long after stopping.

Neither of those apply to caffeine, any brain changes are (very shortly) reversible upon cessation, it's the mildest drug which exists.

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>>76597646
Literally all of those apply to caffeine. This is some insane coke.

>>76597646
Literally all of those apply to caffeine. This is some insane cope

>>76597661
[Citation needed]

>>76597662
Insane coke?

caffeine fucks with your non-rem sleep
I've been focusing on getting better sleep recently and even drinking 1 or 2 cups in the morning has a negative effect
I think everyone has different sensitivities and metabolism though so ymmv

Only pussies drink caffeine

>>76597664
>>76597662

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BagOMilk
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>>76597666
Cutting out caffeine fixed my insomnia too, Satan. The electrolyte tablets I was taking post morning run had caffeine in them and even though I was taking it in the morning after a run, it was still fucking with my sleep ~16 hours later when I was trying to go to bed.

>76597623

>I'm 160lbs

At 3'4 maybe. You're fat

I've been sleeping a lot better without an energy drink in the morning, a melatonin at night helps too

>>76597683
I feel you, I would drink 2 monster cans in the morning and feel boosted all the way till noon the next day. I don't drink that no more.

My scale won't go down, forever 190, but I can fit in my pants again and I need a belt for them too. Wtf is happening

>>76597645
Tell her to stop making cookies lol. Or to make different ones (lots of protein-heavy recipes with lower carbs, like protein bar type recipes).
My GF used to make food like that all the time. We both started getting fit (she was fine weight-wise, just 0 cardio ability) and she stopped making food like that; we switched to healthier recipes instead. At this point, there are a ton of variations on "healthy' desserts (cookies, bars, pancakes even).

>>76597696
resistance training? Otherwise it could be glycogen/water retention coupled with actual weight loss.

>202lbs last week
>Should be 201lbs this weekend
>Have a very salty meal week
>Hit the gym hard this week also
>Step on scale
>208lbs
WHAT
THE
FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>76597700
>not bloatmaxxing with psyllium, creatine, salt and carbs at all times
ngmi

>>76597700
Point of this post? You're literally answering your own question.

>>76597704
I WANT TO SEE SCALE GO DOWN FUCK THE GYM AND SALT

>>76597700
I haven't used a scale in a month now. The mirror is showing me all I need.

>>76597710
>>76597700
Your the reason people have to write articles about "its not about the scale, its about the bodyfat/waist circumference"

>>76596781
thats how i started my diet, i didnt eat until dinner and somehow that flipped a switch and i've been going for a month and a half

>>76597700
brobably water weight
enjoy woosh next week

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TimTamSlam
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>>76597711
Absolutely based mindset

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KickboxAnon
214.6lbs

>>76597898
there is nothing based about being so mentally weak that a scale scares you

>>76597932
I MGOING TO KISS U

>>76597932
I'm sorry you feel the need to be so negative.

>>76597645
Learn to be honest with yourself when you're having a moment of temptation. If you know you can't stop yourself at one, then don't eat one. Or maybe put it on a plate and savor it slowly at the kitchen table. Or maybe eat one only right before you sleep. Or maybe reward yourself after a workout. Whatever you do, don't fall into old patterns.

>>76597956
how am i being negative? i am not saying anything to the guy who is afraid of the scale, we all have our difficulties dealing with some things, it's ok to take all the time you need to deal with it. but this is not something positive, and encouraging that behavior is downright malicious.

>>76597968
you sound like you're projecting something
I don't go on the scale because I simply don't care what the number says. In fact I would prefer if it were higher because that means I preserve more muscle mass during my cut.

>>76597974
Cope cause too pussy to see your weight

>>76597980
seek mental help. >>76597700 this is not a normal response

>>76597968
You're in the fat loss general calling somebody mentally weak. You don't see the irony in that.

>>76597968
>>76597974
>>76597980
>>76597984
>>76597986
I want to push you guys in a tight closet and see you make out

The only time thin people weigh themselves is when they go to a doctor's appointment. Just sayin.

>>76597984
So? Doesn’t mean the other extreme is good, you’re fat so you should track your weight if you want to lose weight
>I don’t want to lose weight
Then fuck off from here, there’s an implied baseline that everyone posting in this thread wants to lose weight

>>76598027
This is the fat loss thread. No one cares about your water weight.

>>76598022
>The only time thin people weigh themselves is when they go to a doctor's appointment. Just sayin.
not true anorexic weigh themselves at least once a day

>>76598022
>Non-diabetics don't take insulin, therefore type 1 diabetics shouldn't either.

>>76598022
Yeah and you’re not thin

fuck measuring things and charting progress!

fuck caffeine's appetite suppressing properties too!

i don't want to lose weight and i don't want anyone else to either.

>>76598064
Calipers and tape measurers are actually good. We should standardize those instead of a scale.

starting weight: 118.1 kg 20/8
current weight: 109.2 kg 7/9
goal weight: 70 kg
height: 179 cm

method: rolling 72s with salt water and coffee

>>76595713 (OP)
>measure scale weight daily so I can run regression models vs. my calorie logs and lifts
Pretty fun personal activity. I mentioned in another thread, but I also ran an EC stack for 2 weeks on/off, and you can do breakpoint analysis and see exactly how much more calories you burn on the stack vs off. Super noticeable.

I weight myself weekly, it's been working out so far. Kinda dreading next time because I've had a shit fucking week. I think I ate more than I planned, not that much but still.

>>76598255
It happens man. Dont get too down about it. Just get back on the horse

You should only judge your weight and appearance based on one thing, how much pussy you slay. Me? that number is 0 so i am fat and ugly no matter what number on scale says.

>>76598343
This is a circular defeatist mindset.

>>76598343
Based. Don't ever get up.

I would trade my normal gym membership and sign up at a boxing gym right now if I could, but I have to fix my tendon enthesophyte in my elbow first. No way I can through punches safely with this fucked up elbow but the path to fixing it feels impossible.

Have to lay off the computer typing and mouse holding but its part of my job. Need like a solid month or more of not aggressively typing/clicking and physical therapy but totally unrealistic to take a month off work

Didn't lose any weight this week but I was also puking and shitting my guts out last week so I'm guessing it was all water weight lost, and this week it's actual fat loss

>>76598500
>but I have to fix my tendon enthesophyte in my elbow first
how did you injure it ?

I don't think that fasting for less than 3-4 days is that good.
I have a coworker who keeps telling me about his 12-24 hour fasts and I don't have the heart to tell him that he is retarded. At that point your body hasn't even used up all your left over glycogen and you sure as shit are not in ketosis.

>>76598270
Yeah. I do know already next week is going to be crap too. I'll be content as long as I keep to my exercising goals I guess, even fi I fuck up the dieting parts a bit. That'll be something at least, and still be good and useful later.

Gonna try my first ever 2 day fast. Maybe 3 days if i feel like i can do it. What do i do so i don't die? Or feel like aids.

>>76598577
dont think it was just one incident, just chronic from too much overuse

was told the only way to decrease the pain is to go easy on it and do a bunch of hand stretches

>>76598643

There is no danger of dying under 7 days of fasting. (it's assumed that you are not a dysgenic mongoloid).
Try to do a dry fast instead of a water one.
The thing that has worked best for me when it comes to not feeling like shit is keeping my mind off it. So I read for a couple of hours and then go for a very long walk and just think and keep my mind off the fast. Doing house chores also helps.

>>76598664
>Try to do a dry fast instead of a water one.
No. fuck you faggot

>>76598671
Okay retard.

>>76598684
>Bro just don't drink water
The only retard here is you

>>76598689
What do you mean?
Do you think that it's not possible to dry fast? Or that it's not efficient? Or that it has more drawbacks?
Which one exactly?

>>76598702
I think it is retarded because it is retarded

>>76598658
>chronic from too much overuse
what could you possibly do that caused it to be overused?

>>76598709
In what way is it retarded?

>>76598715
>Not drinking water
I don't need to say anything else

>>76598727
You know that you can dry fast for more than a week right?
Some even do it for close to two weeks and it shows good results.

I can't stop chugging raw honey and a part of my brain is trying to convince me this will help with weight loss
I've probably eaten 300 calories worth of honey today

>>76598738
Yeah good for you bro, enjoy dying you stupid faggot.

>>76598744
How would I die exactly?

>>76598741
ur probably nutrient deficient in something.

>>76598749
From dehydration? I can see dry fasting has already melted your brain.

>>76598741
try magnesium glycinate, or malate

>>76598741
nigga.. how about you buy a few large carrots and roast them in a honey glaze. just one tablespoon of honey.

>>76598764
how about you kiss tubby anon for eatting so much honey?

that is a good idea though but I think the honey would burn

>>76598753
There's exactly one guy on 4ch, sometimes here, sometimes on /b/, trying to hospitalized people by encouraging 'dry' fasting, i.e., dying. The human body shuts down without fluid intake after roughly 3-5 days, and this fag knows it. That's why he always encourages a week long death fast. He probably thinks he's doing the devil's work or something edgy like that, but he always plays it straight in threads like, "oh, you can't go without fluids for weeks? Sounds like you need to man up" and does not break character. He is just doing the same shtick as the mix chlorine and ammonia for crystals meme - he wants to hurt people.

>>76598764
>vegetables
miss me with that shit

>>76598773
>miss me with that shit
ur so cute tubby anon. can I rub your belly?

>>76598772
lmao didn't get engagement and now has to schizo post to keep up the epic troll

>>76598772
you are right anon, I'm another bystander here but dry fasting is a lot more dangerous than regular water fasting. Although i have done it before, only for 1/2 days.

I don't do fasting anymore

>>76598782
What the fuck are you talking about

>>76598789
Water fasting is fine. 48 hour water fasts are easy. 5 day or more fasts and you need to consider electrolytes, so have some potassium, salt, and magnesium available. Don't overdo the potassium or you'll have explosive water shots. After 5 days it gets pretty hard to find energy for much but it's also the best time for fat loss.

Never, ever, attempt a waterless fast.

The McGill Big Three gave me DOMS

>>76598711
You can fuck up your elbow from tons of things, too much computer use in non-ergomonic positions, jacking off too much, sports, exercise, basically anything where you do the same repetitive actions using your arm or hands. So its common in people who play baseball or golf but you can get it from non-sports related overuse

I've fixed my computer desk ergonomics months ago and its alleviated the symptoms but thats about it

>>76598858
>I've fixed my computer desk ergonomics
any resources for this? I've always worried about repetitive stress, never had it but people close to me(autistic gamers) had it

>>76595713 (OP)
>pants that were too small for me to fit into are now sagging
Feeling good lads

>>76598868
Honestly you should only really optimize for ergonomics if its something you use everyday and then once you start feeling discomfort coming from your hands or your elbow. It can get kind of expensive depending on what you already use.

The stuff I learned came from an occupational therapist I was referred to so idk how good the information is online for ergonomics.
Basically I just:
>got an office chair with adjustable arm rests and tons of padding (for me, it was a Steelcase Amia
>adjust height of chair and arm rest so your arms are either 90 degrees with the desk or slightly above
>always rest of your forearms, if you to need rotate your elbows out so the inside of your elbow is slightly resting on the armrest
>use a vertical mouse
>make sure you're sitting on your ass/upper hammies and not on tailbone or lower back
>stretch hands and arms multiple times a day

I ended up having to buy a new desk because the one I used was too high, even for the max height of my chair. All in all expensive but worth it in the end I think

>stop counting calories because i exercise every day now
>eat whatever i want
>still losing weight
uh.. you niggers lied

>>76599169
it wont last

>>76598979
thank u anon u doing gods work

the constant stretching needed makes me think you have something else going on

I hate when I get really excited about getting in shape, do a good workout, stick to my diet, do some cardio and then...realize I still have the rest of the day to fill :(

I'm addicted to bags of frozen tortellini. For years I would eat an entire bag at once mixed with a tomato sauce and a pound meat usually sausage.
I still love it and consider it close to the perfect satiating meal but it's well over what I should be eating in a day.
Even though I've been telling myself I'm going to do it I never did but today I actually only boiled half of it and put the other half in a container to save for tomorrow. I still feel too full and it should probably be 1/3rd at most but it's a step in the right direction at least. God I wish carbs weren't so delicious, why do they have to make everything taste better just by existing?

>>76599421
Yeah bro its the carbs, not the fat at all

>>76599441
It is the carbs, I could give up the sausage but the pasta and the chips and the bread. They haunt my every waking moment.

>>76599455
Sounds like highly refined grain is your problem not just carbs
Yes its very addictive due to its powdered form flaring up your bloodsugar very fast, thats why people recommend using whole grain options instead

>lost another 300g
WAGMI

>>76599462
If I maintain this rate, I will somehow manage to be 100kg by December 27.

>>76599464
I'm looking to stop by halloween, though if it works out i might push to keep going below 180, i'll have to see what 180 looks like, maybe i can get really ripped

Fatty Contest
memediet
99.6 kg

>>76598077
personally, I use an astrolabe to chart my progress

This would be my like 5th time losing 100 lbs.
1.
>cut to 1800 calories and working retail
>got to 200 lbs
>gained it back
2.
>same thing
3.
>same fucking thing
4.
>11 fucking years later same fuckin thing, got up to 320 lbs after getting an office job
>cut to 1600 calories
>got down to 280 calories and stayed there
5.
>gave up on civillian life
>cutting to like 1200 calories and yes strict
>enlisting nearing 30

are there real psychological issues that can cause weight gain? i had an insatiable hunger, no matter how much water, protein, fat and fiber i ate the hunger never went away.

is it the apps aren't accurate?

i don't think its normal that i can get to a low calorie point and wind up gaining fat again. what gives?

If I refeed at 10pm daily should I workout in the morning when I have more energy or at night when I'm closer to my eating window?