Thread 76725785

Fuck this stupid exercise. It does nothing but hurt your back. Cable rows achieve the same thing while also not destroying your back

>>76725785 (OP)
i found making sure your knees are bent and wearing a belt removes all back pain from me, i'm only rowing 195 for 5 though

>>76725785 (OP)
>glassback faggot is afraid of barbell rows
I'd say it's a shame you killed a thread to post it but this board is shit anyways. At least use a lust-provoking image to accompany your garbage thread next time.

>>76725785 (OP)
maybe it's just your shit genetics

>>76725792
>heh yeah, I just wear something to avoid strengthening my back. no problem
faggot

>>76725785 (OP)
+1

i do it seated on a incline

>>76725785 (OP)
>Cable rows achieve the same thing while also not destroying your back
Kinda sorta. If your back is being destroyed by bent over rows then you're a faggot.
source: I can pendlay row 315 with good form for 2-3 reps.

>>76725940
I know it's Dorian and the results are inarguable but his ROM in that vid just does not seem right. That's like 1/3 of a rep

>>76725785 (OP)
your doing it wrong

>>76726387
Australian rows make you big as hell

>>76725785 (OP)
I swapped them for chest supported row machine a long time ago. I'm not competing and doing this for health, I don't care about muh lifts. Im

>>76725785 (OP)
>What are dumbbell rows.

>>76725785 (OP)
Bend your knees and pull your hips back with your torso a bit over parallel to the ground so your ass is acting as a counter balance to the bar. I row two plates for reps like this with no loeer back issues whatsoever.
That being said, no need to do barbell rows if you don't want to. Chest supported rows are great. Try seal rows with a barbell if your gym as a bench for it. Or dumbbell rows on an adjustable bench.

>>76725785 (OP)
I have only done weighted chinups/pullups lately, I am not sure if I miss anything with not doing any rows. Thoughts? I am 46 and my lower back has been my weakest spot my whole life, I don't want to even slightly risk injury there as it fkjnv2ucks up my whole life.

>>76726797
>I have only done weighted chinups/pullups lately, I am not sure if I miss anything with not doing any rows.
Yes.
https://exrx.net/WeightExercises/LatissimusDorsi/BWPullup
https://exrx.net/WeightExercises/BackGeneral/DBBentOverRow
They say pull ups train mostly lats and elbow flexors (biceps etc.), while rows train mostly trapezoid (lower and middle). So they train different back muscles and you need both exercises.
>I am 46 and my lower back has been my weakest spot my whole life, I don't want to even slightly risk injury there as it fkjnv2ucks up my whole life.
Just do dumbbells rows instead of barbell rows.

>>76726797
the row doesn't really matter if you are doing a vertical pull and a hinge

>>76726242
ROM is a meme and will only hold you back.

>>76725785 (OP)
>Cable rows achieve the same thing while also not destroying your back
trvth nvke

garbage exercise do literally anything else for your back unless you're stuck with a bb

i dont feel any better with a properly loaded dumbell. always wanted to drop rows, but everyone will tell you that you need a proper horizontal pull

maybe i should pay a prostitute to pull my digg before i proceed to ohp

dyel the thread, get your legs stronger, your form right and lift to failure and you will see a difference, i used to not be able to even do these on smith machine and now i can row 140kg

You should be doing Pendlay rows

>>76726835
Wrong.

>>76726797
>>76726811
Just do slow feet elevated inverted rows. It's impossible to get injured

>>76726242
It's more isometric than most would like to admit. The benefits basically just come from handling heavy weight.

>>76727086
Inverted rows are also good but I don't have equipment for them, so I do dumbbell rows.

I like the machine high row because it feels cool

>>76727651
Goated yet underrated machine. My old gym had it and I miss it.

>>76725785 (OP)
Ring bodyweight rows mog

Anybody who says this is a back exercise has a back so flat they disappear when they turn sideways

>>76726242
>>76727102
You really feel in in your lower trap and rear delts right away in a way that other rows just don't hit, not as much in the lower back.

>>76725785 (OP)
> use cables
> think it'll make you strong

Hahahaha okay buddy, good luck! Too bad you're too stupid to realize the lower back pain are smaller muscles that are infredibly weak and need to catch up, and aren't hit at all with cables (which is why it doesn't hurt you).

Ngmi

>>76727666
what is it then?

>>76727706
Meant to say bad exercise

>>76727662
why?

>>76725785 (OP)
Do them from the floor with a horizontal back angle like pendlays. And yeah cable rows and chest supported machine rows are still better.

DUMBELL ROWS
solves everything

>>76725785 (OP)
Literally the worst exercise ever conceived. Finally dropped it from my routine last week, and it has been the best week of my life.

>>76726099
I'm pretty sure a belt doesn't prevent you from training back

>>76725940
When I do exercises like this, especially barbell rows, I feel like shit. Whenever I do ~10 very controlled reps with lower weight and high ROM I can really feel it in the specific muscles that I'm targeting and I cream my pants

Yates™ row is the ultimate egolift cope exercise
Proper barbell row is done with your back being almost parallel to the ground and rowing towards your upper stomach
It's fucking hard to do after a certain weight so the way people cope is just standing upright and turning it into some half-assed shrug and pretending it hits their lats more

>>76729124
there is no proper™ barbell row. yates row just hits upper back/traps more than ur proper™ one. dumbass

>>76729140
>there is no proper™ barbell row
Because DUMBBELLS destroy the BARBELL.
Take the dumbbell pill.

>>76725785 (OP)
I think rows gave me massive hams and my quads arent really that huge. How the fuck am i supposed to do quads with freeweights leaning back on lunges?

>>76725785 (OP)
Pause versions of these feel great, makes you go lighter too if that's a concern.

>>76725785 (OP)
>reverse grip for more lats
>preferably on a platform if narrow grip
>head neutral
>pull back towards hips and still rep lats when rear delts fail
Thats how you get the best lats from rows but ive been having to do a lot of high cable rows and the lat pulldown thing on rows, and high rom shit for rear delts. The high rom hits rhomboids and lower traps.

Pullups actually used to cause injury for me till i added btb and just kinda leaned back so its easier on joints.

>>76727086
>slow feet elevated inverted rows
that sounds like lat pulldowns but with extra steps

>>76726811
Thank you for your feedback anon!

I strained my back real bad doing rows. Not doing those anymore, I ordered a doorframe bar for pullups.
>just have good form retard
Easy to say that, anyone can manage it on the first few sets, its impossible to maintain on the last one if you are using real weights.

>>76725785 (OP)
why do I feel like this dumb movement gets easier the more you lean forward?

doing it at a 45 degree angle like a yates row just seems autistic, just go 90 degrees like Arnold and all the 70s fags did, probably less strain on your lower back somehow

>>76731077
45° and 90° hit different muscles, dumbass. its two different exercises

>>76726242
Empty your brain of “science” based lifting opinions about the deep stretch and other such nonsense

>>76725785 (OP)
You not understanding how retarded "I can't turn my form 90° to do an actual lift" makes you sound is the funniest part

Drop your ass, brace your abs, row off the floor

>>76725785 (OP)
Dumbbell rows also don't hurt my back personally. But I noticed if I bend knees more and adjust position it doesn't hurt just feels awkward af.

>>76731082
this is wrong and you are retarded

>>76731053
You cannot do pull ups instead of rows. You need both. But not barbell rows, you need dumbbell row, doesn't risk your back at all.

>>76725951
>>76725940
Ah yes, que the procession of dipshits defending this crap despite the most common injury being herniated/ruptured disks. And pretty much everyone gets it eventually. Your basically just gambling against your age and ability to recover.

DUMBBELL ROWS

>>76725940
This video and their yelling plays in my head during every back workout

>>76725785 (OP)
Learn how to drive through your elbow and stop arching your back. Keep a neutral spine.

>>76732605
>drive through your elbow
Tf does that mean?

>>76725940
Dorian's rows are from the knee up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNjwZ1fxtCQ&
You only really need to go to where the arms are in line with the torso. You can obsess over """ROM""" and try to get a big rom like those soience based goys while staying small. Or you could ignore their memes and get big. Dorian is still one of the best backs ever in bodybuilding for good reason.

>>76732608
Not the best wording... Move your elbows instead of moving the bar. Instead of trying to get the bar to touch your stomach, just focus on getting your upper arm in line with your torso. Training the lats/upper back is all about moving the upper arm. Everything in the forearm should just be supporting the motion at best.

>>76726691
Gay
Finished that for you

>>76732626
I agree 100% and it's great advice. I love rows.

Either your form is bad, your core is weak, or it's time to move on to a different exercise. Once I started repping more than 225 lbs, I found that my lower back became the limiting factor no matter how hard I tried. I ended up switching to chest supported T bar rows and have seen great results. It's actually boosted my barbell row numbers as well, which is nice.

>>76725785 (OP)
Is it weird i cant use back machines? And bench like 245x8-10 on a good day yet injured?