Thread 76808805

according to the current science fatcells will split and multiply once they are filled and although they shrink during a deficit they never truly go away and will continue to signal hunger in a never ending crusade to fill themselves back up with stored energy. am i truly destined to either be a fat cunt or permanently hungry forever?

fat cells are for life yes, but they can shrink down to absolutely nothing visible to the naked eye

it is true the more fat cells you have the more hunger you will have because every individual fat cell sends hunger signal to be refilled again

but these can be overcome over time and by eating the right foods

if you rely entirely on CICO/IIFYM and eat junk food for most of you calories/macros, you'll always be hungry, yes

but if you actually eat a nutrient dense foods and completely cut out all the junk, the extra hunger signals ur brain is sent will not have anywhere near the same effect as they have when youre always eating junk food

>>76808805 (OP)
thats retarded, they would die after 7 years.
anyways, hunger is barely real. just pop a zyn or my favorite drink carbonated water (i mix mine with fresh lemon juice if its a lucky day or fresh date juice if its an unlucky day for the ph balancing effects.)

>>76808805 (OP)
From my experience, that just means you shouldn't do long bulk/cut cycles since cutting for longer than two months feels absolutely miserable. Basically, do one long and awful cut to get you to low bf and then manage your bulk carefully from that point onwards so you never have to go through that ordeal again.

I wonder if liposuction has better long term results because of that.

>>76808805 (OP)
Fat and cholesterol builds testosterone. DIEting is for infertile cock suckers.

>>76808805 (OP)
Stop look for excuses anon

>>76808805 (OP)
Sounds just like how muscle cells split and remain forever. You can still atrophy and lose it all, only slowr. And it's much easier to get back to a strength level you've once had already.

>>76808805 (OP)
Roid trannies will deny this happens to satellite cells after they stop blasting btw

>>76808816
>but if you actually eat a nutrient dense foods and completely cut out all the junk
I'd also add that one thing that helps a lot is volume eating. Work in a bunch of low calorie foods, vegetables are amazing for this.

>>76809243
Adipose tissue (body fat) literally turns test into estrogen you fucking retard.

>>76809478
Yeah cause unless you're a horse you can't get any calories out of leafy greens. Stuff like tomatoes or carrots aren't as good, though still better than processed sugary slop.

Also, those puffed up rice cakes. They make you feel like you're eating but there's barely 40 calories in the whole pack, it's mostly empty air.

>>76809543
The worst part is you're both right. Single-sentence with profanities sprinkled in is probably not the ideal format for discussing nutrition.

>>76808805 (OP)
you're problem is you can't handle discomfort.

I used to be impulsive then I got a chronic illness that makes me extremely uncomfortable all the time. And everything else like eating well and good fitness habits (when I can) are like peanuts in motivation in comparison to not KYS'ing myself because that day I suddenly can't feel my hands and idk if it's gonna come back or whatever.

Anyway, idk dude, you will legit die one day, do you really wanna spend your existence as a fatty? Is dying a fatty better than living life suffering a bit but not being fat?

The hardest step to take is the first one. it gets easier when you get used to it and also when you got results. BUT by that point, it shouldn't even matter to you

>>76810919
>I used to be impulsive then I got a chronic illness that makes me extremely uncomfortable all the time
Mine isn't quite to this level but I get really bad acid reflux when I eat anything. It's getting better though. However, it's made staying within my deficit a breeze lmao. Turns out I'd rather eat 1-1.5k calories a day than worsen my perpetually sore throat.
It's all a mind game, physical factors can make it easier or harder to play that game, but at the end of the day the mind determines the outcome.

>>76808816
thanks chatgpt

>>76808805 (OP)
The good news is, muscle fiber cells basically act the same way. Outside of enhanced bullshit once you build muscle it pretty much never really goes away. That’s why muscle memory works so well

>>76808805 (OP)
You can remove fat cells permanently through certain types of liposuction.

>>76808805 (OP)
>>76808816
They aren't for life, you lose an amount of them each year and they are replaced by new ones if your bodyfat is high enough or they aren't replaced at all if you have low bf%.
You just want everything to happen instantly.
And the hunger signals are not as bad as you make it out be when you're 12%bf, even if you were 30%bf previously for years.

>>76808831
Cryolipolysis works as well, it's where they freeze your fat causing the fat cells to die

>>76811589
listening to chatgpt > listening to /fit/, unironically

>>76808816
I hope you are right, anon.

>>76812007
Duh. This place is like a vomit filled outhouse behind a Taco Bell.

The current science is on the cusp of figuring out how to induce targeted apoptosis of fat cells
The problem though is that even if you can select for fat cells, you have to do it slow enough so your body doesn't fucking die from an excess of fats in blood

>>76809285
>>76808805 (OP)
>OP finds out homeostasis exists

>>76812172
>The problem though is that even if you can select for fat cells, you have to do it slow enough so your body doesn't fucking die from an excess of fats in blood
Fasting would probably help. Maybe just some protein shakes.

>>76808805 (OP)
pretty sure this was disproven. The mechanisms by which fat cells atrophy, apoptose and proliferate are pretty well studied.

Chronic-long term weight loss and maintenance actually lead to a reduction in the number of adipocytes and the result is chiefly done by proper regulation of growth factors (endocrine stimulus, metabolic surplus). Meaning, if you manage your meals, hunger-fullness cycle and reduce your total caloric intake OR increase your BMR by building muscle mass, over time fat cells will deplete in number.

Overfeeding suppresses ghrelin and insulin, which are key regulators of fat cell proliferation. Feeding imbalances which grow over years also take years to get rid of, etc.

Basically just get lean anyway because there is no reason not to, then just stay lean. Simple as.