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>>105429149

Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

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>>105512922 (OP)
>>105512935
fuck off, we have a laptop general

>>105512937
non thinkpads belong in >>>/trash/

>>105512940
there's better thinkpad discussion over there than in this shit hole

I support this /tpg/ thread instead of the male anal sex /tpg/ thread.

Has anyone brought a T430 or later BMS back to life? How do you do it?

Please help me /tpg/...
I have an old T62 that's my main driver, and got an old hp elitebook laptop (2nd gen intel), that I used for traveling, then I've repurposed is as cheap home server like NAS,jellyfin, general utility box (like setting containers with docker, encoding webms for 4chan, seeding torrents, etc), the specs aren't great (4GB ram, 320 GB HDD)
Recently I got Thinkcenter M910q for less than 100$ with modest specs (6th gen i5, 15 GB ram, 256 nvme, 2TB HDD)
Now I'm not sure what to do with it.
Do I ditch the comfy laptop experience?
Or, Stick with T62 and use M910q like the old hp laptop?

>>105515957
stick with the T62.
me on the right

>>105512937
show me on the doll where this thread touched you

>>105515986
you have flat chest?
or do you envy women with big breasts?
>stick with the T62.
I'll probably do that, not only it has everything set as I want it, I'm to comfy with it.
What do I install on the M910q?
The hp laptop was just running arch with KDE.
Should I go with the same setup? or do some proper home lab stuff?
I don't want to duplicate the laptop os since it's a mess.

are x1 carbons worth?

>>105512922 (OP)
Is there a smol (sub 14", hard mode: 12" or smaller) thinkpad that is worth buying in this time and age?
My requirements:
- yuropoor
- €500, max €750
- Resolution at least fullHD
- Smol and light
- Decent (5+ hr) battery
- Win11 compatible (gen8+ intel cpu preferred gen10+, 16 ram)
- Usb c (thunderbolt et. al.) docking and charging.
My use case: wage slavery on the go. That's why I need windows in the first place (retarded rdp rules block rdp-in from non-windows platforms. Yes, even macs)

I have T480 in perfect condition except external battery is almost dead and internal is missing.
Is aliexpress a decent place to get new ones?

Is there an objective way to check whether the fans on your thinkpad is working aside from feeling the vents and "listening" for the fan? The vents get hot but don't they usually get hot whether the fan works or not? I mean, I don't know, I'm a techlet.
I have an X13 gen 1 AMD and I just wanna make sure.

>>105517887
X13 gen 2
Z13 (maybe?)
X1 Nano

>>105517949
Aliexpress is nice for random spare parts but I have mixed experience with batteries. I bought internal+external batteries for T450s a couple of years ago, the internal still works, but the external can't hold a lot of charge anymore, replaced it recently with a PATONA external chonker that gives it 8 hrs of charge.

>>105518140
If the fan isn't struggling it's a good sign. Usually failing fan/thermal paste leads to the fans being stuck at 100%, making rattling noises and the CPU is constantly throttled.
If you're still paranoid about your fan's effectiveness just check if your CPU gets throttled at all, there should be some software that checks automatically or just run benchmarks and compare with other people's numbers.

I need to replace the touchpad on my X220, what's the best place to order and what should I watch out for?

>>105518692
search your area, there are stores that sell laptop spare parts.
If it's too expensive or they don't have it search aliexpress and/or ebay. Every spare part I've bought of aliexpress was of decent quality, except some battery.

will x220 prices ever go up?

>>105518678
Hmmm, all right. Thanks. But was I correct in assuming that the thermal vents go hot regardless whether the fans work or not? Just wondering.

>>105518722
no, redditors switched back to 3ds/rpi/minipc

do these temps look okay for a t490? just changed the ssd and ram and took the oppurtunity to repaste with 7950

>>105519206
which one should I look at?

any remedy for the shiny keys?

Why do redditors love the t480? It no longer has the charm of the older models and it's slow compared to the newer ones. It's just a laptop.

Got this old dude recently, mostly fine, HD and CD are super dead tho. waiting for a PATA to SD adapter I got on Aliexpress

>>105520568
holy based chonkerpad.

What’s a good used thinkpad I could find for ~$500 with an IPS screen and good CPU?

>>105520720
Everything text based/ programming/ writing/ web dev & etc, maybe graphics, emulation, light gaming, its a computer anyway

>>105520765
>>105520720
Excuse my dyslexia. A T14 maybe?

>>105520720
T14 gen 4 AMD?

>>105520568
realistically.
What can you use it for?

>>105518140
If it spins and the BIOS doesn't error out It's aight, if it grinds you should replace it as it is about to die, If you move the laptop around (say hold it at a 90°angle) and then it starts to grind the fluid bearing may begin to fail a couple of months down the line.

>>105520547
The newest most up-to-date thinkpad in terms of specs that can be librebooted at the moment. That sort of "Old-modern" design is not that bad and the fact that you can get 8th gen CPUs in it is pretty nice since they are cheap as hell.

>>105520892
Being completely honest, I only bought for nostalgia. family had one back the 2000, I remember playing some dos games on it. other than that, It looks cool

Are there any new-ish laptops like the T480?

>>105521307
I feel you anon.
But I hate having tools collecting dust.
I still use my T420 even though I can't do much with it.

>>105521409
What can't you do?

>>105521414
Anything other than text editing in terminal and looking at barebones websites with basic javascript

>>105521414
many things
>games and emulations
No vulkan support
>HW decode
no vp8/9/hevc
>web browsing
Like social media and video heavy websites, the rest is fine
>3d rendering
too slow with the iGPU

>>105521448
I seriously hope this is bait.
>>105521467
Social media and video heavy websites work fine, especially if you upgrade to a quad core cpu. On the rest I concur.

>>105521528
>Social media and video heavy websites work fine
what are you using?
I've upgraded my ram/hdd/cpu, and still get poor performance with firefox

>>105521625
What cpu did you upgrade to? Do you have an ssd or hdd? What do you mean by poor performance?

The X230 is my favorite laptop off all time, wish I had kept it instead of selling it, it was in excellent condition.
Also fuck all you classic keyboard fags, the backlit LiteOn chiclet on the X230 was much more comfortable for me to use than the classic keyboard on my X220.

>>105521528
nope, have an x230, anything other than watching youtube and browsing 4chan just sucks. I did get Hearthstone working with Lutris a while ago but I since reinstalled the whole thing and I'm just too lazy.

>>105521644
i7/ssd/16 gb ram
>poor performance
high cpu usage
stuttering with scrolling (only with those web sites)

>>105521675
Never understood this keyboard purism, at the end of the day both are just laptop keyboard that get smashed by even the shittiest rubber dome desktop keyboards.

>>105521691
CPU on the X230 can't be upgraded so you're stuck with 2 cores. On the T420 you can upgrade to a quad core and it makes a pretty big difference.
>>105521693
What kind of i7?

>>105521711
For me I just like have the keys the old way.
>nice travel
>ergonomic shape
>pleasant spacing

>>105521727
>What kind of i7?
You mean the exact model?
i7-2640M
the only difference I saw was in ffmpeg encoding times

>>105521730
>It's still a dogshit laptop keyboard
just wake up from your delusion man

>>105521746
what's good keyboard then?

>>105521756
I use an old Tesoro Durandal, because anything other than Cherry MX Black, Red, Blu or Brown is mental illness.
Built like a tank, nice tactile switches, good quality overall.

>>105521742
>i7-2640M
That's a 2 core. You should upgrade to a quad core i7, there are quite a few options. That will make web browsing even on heavier sites work fine.

i got X220 for ~$30 with a bit of upgraded parts but it need certain sequence to power on, and it cant power on using just its adapter. got it disassembled just to found out i might need to replace the dc jack which i currently dont have and hating it even more because of its convoluted internal arrangement. my old 2012 dell inspiron aint this shitty assembly-wise and i love that machine, but i gotta admit x220 keyboard is nice and i always love sub 13" notebook. im not even touching my DOA t430 yet, if only im not a cheapskate fml

>>105522047
Really good deal good job, Internal arrangement is kinda everywhere yeah, I presume because of the rollcage design of the chassis?

>>105512937
newfag?

>>105518692
What do you use the touchpad for even? Use the clit.

>>105522326
you're the fucking newfag bitch
/tpg/ is a fucking shadow of itself
this general used to be actually good like 7 years ago
not anymore

>>105522354
Kinda true, back when the real old pads that were interesting were still usable as an everyday working machine.

>>105517137
Nothing above a t440p is worth it

Is the t440p the best thinkpad model?

>drop in EDP support for 1080p 100% SRGB screens (No adapter)
>4x USB 3.0, Mini DP port, VGA port, SD card port, Ethernet port
>no internal battery, just good old 9 cell hot swappable
>carbon fiber-reinforced full chassis
>supports CPU swapping, RAM swapping and SSD bay

Only negative is the chicklet keyboard if you like the chunky keyboard and the 16gb ram limit.

>>105522641
t440p
>terrible battery life
>heavy
>bad cpu by modern standards
>needs T450 touchpad mod to be usable
>in the time period where thinkpad build quality was at it's shittiest
>most of them weren't 1080p, and replacing a display is a pain

pic rel (t14g2) is the real best thinkpad model
>great build quality, on par with ibm machines
>1366x768 totally phased out so no chance of getting a shitty display. 4k displays are available too
>good cpu, smashes everything before it out of the water, and is solid in 2025
>great battery life
>last T-series to have a full size keyboard with good travel (all T-series afterwards have smushed keyboards with less travel)
>max 48gb, should be good enough for at least a decade
>lightweight
>most importantly, i don't look like a nerd when i bring it out in public

>Buy used x230 on ebay for writing and web browsing
>Install Arch
>Eight years later
>It just keeps working
I'm glad I fell for the meme. Thanks guys.

>>105515957
I'm on a similar boat, I just bought a M910q for something but it didn't quite workout so now I have no idea what to do with it.

>>105522800
t440p
>terrible battery life
just carry an extra battery doe
>heavy
yeah but sturdy
>bad cpu by modern standards
Its no gaming PC, which thats not what it's for but you can also get them for $150 with a screen replacement on ebay. You won't find a laptop with a good 1080p screen full color spectrum for this price and build quality.
Its good enough for browsing the web and playing retro games up to gamecube and indie games.
>needs T450 touchpad mod to be usable
sure
>in the time period where thinkpad build quality was at it's shittiest
>most of them weren't 1080p, and replacing a display is a pain
It's not hard

Anyways when something goes wrong I can always order another screen or even swap the CPU/RAM if something goes bad.

>>105522873
Also this is the screen that is natively supported, No adapter just drop and plug in, screw it down.

It's a good screen for $60

>>105522641
The Tx40p is GOATed but unfortunately not powerful enough anymore.
I've had a T540p as a daily since 2022 and it has been nothing but pure bliss. The build quality is great and its built like a tank, no ThinkPad after has been as stury, the keyboard has a great feel and travel compared to the modern keyboards which feel like paper, the upgradeability and tinkerability is UNMATCHED by ANY ThinkPad, this is a hill I will die on.
But its time has come man. I would love to bring new internals for it to life like xyte.ch has been doing for ThinkPads older still. But unfortunately boomers shipped our production capabilities off to china so we cannot really go to a manufacturer, give a firm handshake and just build to our hearts content like we used to in the last century, like the chinese are doing now.

>>105522904
What is the name of that site? I used to browse it but lost access to it a few years ago. Also if that screen exists for the T540p I will order it right away.

>>105522904
>>105523117
nvm, found it.
Can't decide between these two though:
https://www.panelook.com/NE156QHM-NY1_BOE_15.6_LCM_overview_49928.html
https://www.panelook.com/N156KME-GNA_Innolux_15.6_LCM_overview_46806.html

>>105522800
T14 Gen 1 and 2 suck donkey dick, I hate those generations so fucking much.
Removing the keyboard is less convenient.
The base cover is designed to be a pain in the ass to remove and the clips are easy to break.
The chassis material is the most shitty brittle piece of shit cheap ass plastic that wears very easily
And the battery life is dogshit compared to the Gen 3 AMD T14.
They're only popular with you poorfags now because companies have been liquidated those shit ass laptops.

>>105522904
>a-Si
>72% NTSC
>800:1 contrast
>AAS
>60Hz
>"good screen"
Nice joke, like how the fuck are using panelook and still choosing the most dogshit panel possible?
And you're wrong, that panel doesn't actually have the screw brackets, not that it's needed.

My 1440p 120hz 100% DCI-P3 LTPS T440p is running circles around you niggers.

/tpg/s thoughts on a Dell Latitude 5501 with an i7-9850H vs a ThinkPad T495s with a Ryzen PRO 3500U? The T495s is in much better condition, but it's also 70% more expensive.
Am I gimping myself if I stick with the smaller, lighter, but less powerful T495s? Am I getting ripped off with the price difference?

>>105523403
>1440p 120hz 100% DCI-P3 LTPS T440p
Please

>>105523403
i replaced the keyboard on my t14g1 recently, it was the smoothest, fastest, and least painful experience I've had replacing a keyboard with any thinkpad (my other two experiences being with an x60 and an t420). i have no idea what you're talking about

>>105523704
the other machines don't require a smaller phillips head or removal of the trackpad buttons to get the keyboard out

>>105523517
>oxide and not ltps
>ads and not ahva
>300 nits and not at least 500 nits
>16:9 and not 16:10
>odd numbered refresh rate so all his videos have judder
lmao, blud thought he was cooking

>>105523403
>72% NTSC
That's 100% sRGB equivalent. Good enough.

I was cycling over a icey bridge and had to brake. Flew off and rolled over my backpack before getting up. Hurt my knees a bit but the only thing on my mind was my t480 in my backpack. When i get home i get it out, afraid that it would be destroyed. Rest assured the only damage done was to my knees and hands

>>105523403
It's because it's the only good 1080p panel in mass production with 100% SRGB and coincidentally 1080p is the only good resolution on the desktop and the laptop.

Any resolution over 1080p is bloat and kinda useless doebiet

>>105523105
How will you repair it doebiet if the CPU dies

How do you know if a T14s listing doesnt have the shitty screen? No one ever lists that part in the description.

i like how the classic fags have 16:9 screens while modern chads have 16:10

>>105520945
>if it grinds
What do you mean by this? Also, holding at a 90° angle??? What?

>>105524456
show me the listing nigga

>>105522841
What did you want to do with it?
I asked /hsg/ for ideas and got mocked for not buying "true" server

>>105524493
https://ebay.us/m/7ISwhe

>>105524725
Neither of the two touch options is as good as the low-power non-touch. Both are darker and more power-hungry, and the privacy guard one hurts some people's eyes.

Besides, you shouldn't be paying this much for a warmed-over Kaby Lake R chip. Look instead for a T480s either with QHD screen already installed, or with FHD non-touch that you can later replace with low-power. Both should cost you less than $250 in total.

>>105523990

>>105524674
I plan on transitioning to linux when win10 support ends, I have quite a bit of experience running a homeserver already but I haven't used linux on a desktop seriously in over 10 years.
My idea was getting linux on it and using remote desktop on my main PC to try different distros and to force myself to actually use it (if I dual booted I know the inconvenience of having to restart the PC every time would get annoying real fast). I didn't want to get another monitor and a KVM switch so running it headless sounded like a good idea to me.
I finally got it all up and running but VNC and RDP fucking suck and sunshine works great but stops working all the time, so I shelved the idea for now.

>>105524487
>modern chads
you are a predditor

>>105524487
classicGODs have 4:3, 16:10 and 16:9 to choose

I'm going to buy a t60 and attempt to daily drive it

>>105526396
>using remote desktop on my main PC to try different distros
what do you use?
I tried xrdp and didn't work for me, vnc doesn't have audio.
>I finally got it all up and running but VNC and RDP fucking suck and sunshine works great but stops working all the time, so I shelved the idea for now.
Pretty much my situation.
How did you get sunshine to work? did you get those fake HDMI plug?

>>105515957
That's a man, isn't it?

>>105526892
I tried KRDP but the artifacting and lag was horrible. I didn't even bother with VNC because my past experience with it was god awful.
For Sunshine yeah, I had one of those HDMI dummy plugs that I had from my main PC (didn't need it anymore because of Apollo).

>>105527095
>Apollo
Based dev.
I don't understand why no body bother with VDD for linux.

does the t400 series use the same trackpoint size?

Do you need to coreboot the X1 series laptops

>>105522800
looks like an ideapad with a thinkpad logo

>>105527454
AFAIK there are five different sizes.
- T400(s)-T430(s)
- T440(s/p), T450(s/p), T460
- T460s/p, T470(s/p), T480
(Elan trackpoints with thinner stick from this point)
- T480s-T14sG1, T490-T14G2
- everything newer

>>105527635
(except no such thing as T450p)

>>105517137
As always wait for corpo decommissioned units hitting ebay, and make sure the specs are up to your tasks.
X1 Carbon / Yoga often happen to be cheaper than same specs T14.

>>105517887
I love my X1 Titanium but it's hard to find a good one under $500 and also soldered 16GB RAM might be a bottleneck for heavy tasks.

>>105527605
Most of them you can't coreboot, and the one that you can is trash with a Mac-like touchbar

>>105518140
HWinfo and preboot hardware diagnostics should be able to report current RPM if you are unsure it works at all.

>>105521711
>>105521675
all laptop keys suck but the classic layout top nav cluster is objectively superior.

>>105525385
>T480s with QHD
Is that screen better than any T14s screen? Also, is the weaker CPU still passable today?

why haven't you bums modded the t25 classic backlit keyboard into your t480

>>105528379
Because the process is a little more involved than just plugging it into a T480.
https://www.xyte.ch/mods/t25-frankenpad/

>>105528438
sure but you get a backlit classic keyboard, the only one that exists

>>105528451
I don't have a T480 that i could mod in the first place meng. Had they built a 15" version I would've bought a maxed out version of it on release date.

>>105527880
The low power option T14s screen is brighter, colour gamut is as good as you can get in either generation. The CPUs are nearly the same, the 10th gen ones only reach their inflated turbo frequencies when all but one core is idle.

>>105528379
The awkward small spacebar kind of defeats the purpose and non-Japanese ones are unobtainium

>>105528576
Imo the whole problem with screen swaps is that you can't get a good deal on a model with a busted screen, eBay scrappers want to give you a $20 discount on the exact same model but with a fucked up screen instead of a $100 discount to actually offset the cost of a midrange replacement, then you're spending 3x the price of the laptop for an actual good low power/high res screen from chingchongland.

At which point you might as well have just paid the premium for the model with that screen to begin with or simply have bought a newer model.

>>105528379
Too involved and I don't have a 3d printer.

what are some hardware mods I can do on my X220?

>>105527679
>preboot hardware diagnostics,
where is this?

>>105529043
ips and ssd upgrades are the only relevant ones

>>105529043
1080p screen mod

>>105529103
in the boot menu

which one you get out of these?

>Lenovo Thinkpad T14 Gen 2 i5-1135G7 8GB 256GB Win 11 Pro
£219.99

>Lenovo ThinkPad T14s Gen 2 AMD Ryzen 5 Pro 5650U 16GB Ram 256GB Radeon Laptop
£319.99

I know that the AMD is better for performance and battery but the price is stark

>>105529263
Not sure if you noticed but there's the RAM difference as well, that might be why.

>>105529263
Intel 11th gen is a waste of Sand. Buy the AMD.

>>105529263
Neither. No reason to get Intel in that generation, and the T14s G2 is unfortunate in having the newer ultrashallow keyboard already but still 16:9 ratio.

>>105529176
I will check for that, tank you.

I got a T14 for work and I'm pretty sure it has the cheapest screen. For comparison it looks garbage compared to my XPS15.
If I get a T14s with the upgraded screen, does anyone know if this would look better than an XPS?

>conversation starter x220 started a conversation about the x220
>a guy asks if my laptop is so old because I'm poor
>mfw

>>105530962
you need a screen that is 95%+ SRGB and have higher nits or either a OLED, those early gen T14 screens have very poor color and nits

>>105529323
what if I have it plugged in most of the time and really only have it off 1-2 hours?

would £170 for gen 2 intel be worth it?

>>105516438
Got an m910q running essentially all my home selfhosted stuff. 15+ docker containers, not even breaking a sweat

>>105530999
>Not x230

I came from a Razer Blade Stealth(Late 2019) edition and want a similar tier 13-inch laptop, only to find out that 13-inch laptops with a dGPU aren't really a thing anymore so now I gotta settle for 14-inch ones.

I do lots of C++ and GPGPU programming. Though nothing intense like AI or whatever.

Before:
>i7-1065G7
>16 GiB RAM
>GTX1650 | 4GB
>256GiB storage

Some options I'm looking at:
>ThinkPad P14s Gen 5 Intel (14″) Mobile Workstation
>Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 155H Processor (E-cores up to 3.80 GHz P-cores up to 4.80 GHz)
>16 GB DDR5-5600MT/s (SODIMM)
>1 TB SSD
>21G2002AUS

>ThinkPad P14s Gen 5 AMD (14″) Mobile Workstation
>AMD Ryzen™ 7 PRO 8840HS Processor (3.30 GHz up to 5.10 GHz)
>64 GB DDR5-5600MT/s (SODIMM)(2 x 32 GB)
>1 TB SSD
>21ME001MUS

>>105531766
This is what surprised me the most about self-hosting. A bunch of services consume basically no resources. I have a few things running on an old Core2Duo laptop with 2GB RAM and it's completely unbothered.

>>105531892
P14s Intel reuses the Chinese exclusive T14p chassis which is bigger and heavier, but has much bigger battery. It has the option for an NVIDIA GPU.
I get the AMD one because it's cheaper. I'm quite happy with it so far but get the OLED version if you could afford one, ghosting sucks.

>>105520892
DOS games, interfacing with other old hardware, appreciating how comfy Windows 98 was.

>>105520568
Get a USB PCMCIA card for ease of file transfer.

>>105532018
thanks friend.

The 21ME001MUS one i described there happens to be an OLED one too. I'll probably just get that one

>>105531910
Companies would have you believe it's really hard to selfhost everything and to pay them $$$ every month for the privilege of stealing all your data. I will be completely zero subscriptions as soon as I get all my music off spotify.

>>105531766
Same, but with a Celeron

>>105512922 (OP)
I just bricked mine the other night because of a UEFI/BIOS update gone awry. I think I'll take the opportunity to upgrade the motherboard to one with an i7 (T480). The screen is completely unresponsive and a creepy code indicating a display malfunction (010288) is blaring out of the speakers after 10 seconds. Thing is, no external monitor works and the display seems alright.

What should I do with all these thinkpads?

>>105532615
throw them in a trash compactor and see if they still run

>>105532597
>I just bricked mine the other night because of a UEFI/BIOS update gone awry.
How does that even happen? UEFI/BIOS updates are easy to do with software to help you too.

i love my X13 gen 3 it plays pcsx2 so good and so fun, that's all.

wtf is a thinkpad

>>105531766
Debian + docker?
Or you use arch?
Honestly I want to have some DE so I can play games as well, since my T62 can't do anything.
What are you selfhosting?
I'm thinking endeavor with gnome or KDE and add casaOS to handle docker.
>>105531910
Yeah, you don't really need much.
Overpriced VPS is actually paying for the infrastructures.
Most of these doesn't need much computational power so for home server high end server CPU are overkill IMO, unless you're doing +100 VMs.
>>105532029
Are there even driver for it?
>>105532545
This
>>105532615
Sell them for redditors

>>105531766
>Got an m910q running
Man, you make me want to get out mine from the closet.
I had one to use as HTPC but my gf got me an android box.
What do you think I should install on it?
I'm thinking of installing batocera/lakka and set the rest of selfhosting with containers, that way I can still use it as emulation box.

>carry my stinkpad in my leather backpack
>keep an extra 9 cell battery so I can hotswap my t440p, So I get 17 hours of use total use

Why are computers so bloated these days with bad design? They are all functionally useless as work computers.

do you have one of those thunderbolt thinkpad docks or do you think any old dock is enough

I want to get a X13 since T14 nowadays are no different from X13. Ryzen 4 or 5? My X200s is shitting itself for normal surfing.

>>105535222
go with Intel, poozen is shit

I just got my refurbished T580, and immediately from the first boot the fan is making a lot of noise. I opened it up and it looks fine.

The fan model is BAZA0706R5H, I searched and found this plebbit thread from 6 years ago with the same issue: https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/cgz4ix/fan_noise_on_t580/

Should I just get a replacement fan? And if yes, what model? Otherwise, how can I fix it?

>>105533845
On the m910q I run Debian with Podman (docker open source drop in). In containers I run the following:

- Immich (Google photos replacement)
- Audiobookshelf (audacity replacement)
- Calibre-web-automated (ebooks, plays nice with KoReader)
- Plex for music/movies/shows
- Pihole (porn and ad blocking)
- Syncthing (synchronise main machine and backups, as well as phone camera)
- Nextcloud (strictly for calendering/contacts using CalDav in emacs/DAVX5 on Android)
- Arr stack
- Qbittorrent w/ Gluetun VPN
- Wallabag (offline Pocket replacement) - this is a nice one, I don't allow a browser on my phone, so I use RSS on my main machine, and send articles to read on the phone via this
- Paperless-ngx (pdf documents and accounting stuff)

Thinking about switching all my machines to NixOS, but just havent had the time.

>>105535953
>Plex
why?
>Pihole porn
How?
>Gluetun VPN
How to set this up?

>>105532933
I updated it with fwupd no problem. When it restarted, the laptop got stuck on the Lenovo logo for several minutes. Pulled the plug and the rest is history.

>>105536216
>pulled the plug during bios update

>>105536228
>Doesn't have reading comprehension
The update was finished. The fucking laptop froze on the next bootup on the faggy Lenovo logo.

>>105536243
idk how exactly fwupd works but for normal updates the initial upload is fast, next boot is when the actual update deployment happens and can take a long while.

What's currently the best usb-c dock
i need >=60w PD, 2x displayport, rj45 and 4+ usb-a ports
needs to support usb-c DP alt mode without any displaylink faggotry

what speaker should i mod into my x230 frankenpad?

Is the T420 still the cheap go-to for all around basic stuff? Anything to look out for, I'm seeing 1600x900 models a lot

>>105535958
>Plex
Because my wife is a normie and can use it. Plexamp is nice UI for Android auto in car, connects direct to my server at home
>Pihole porn
Add blocklists such as: https://blocklistproject.github.io/Lists/porn.txt
>Gluetun VPN
in podman container, create a network where the torrent client uses the vpn, I set this up with mullvad

>>105535619
Fuck off jeet I'm never touching shitel again.

>>105536639
Of the thick ones, T430 or T440p unless you value the classic keyboard over USB 3 ports and quad-core support without coreboot.

1600x900 is the bare minimum for using Windows without being distracted by pointless big text sizes and padding.

got a lenovo T495 with non-backlit keyboard, can/should i replace it for a backlit one? not much experience in laptop servicing but from what i see a single scren holds the kb in

>>105535222
There's no Ryzen 4. And if you're talking about Ryzen 3, it's usually cramped to 8GB. Get R5.

>>105536216
Damn that's unlucky for you bro.

>>105536216
maybe you updated from version 1.3 to version 1.3.9 without updating 1.3.2-8 first. : ^ )

>>105537120
Can you not touch type?

Replacing it is easy. Two screws under the touchpad buttons. The hardest part is removing the buttons without breaking the clips. It helps to insert a fingernail between the far edge of the button and the rest of the keyboard while prying from the near edge of the button.

>order in customs hell

What distro should I install on my X220?
I currently run Debian stable but I'm not too satisfied. Should I go arch?

Should I install Windows XP?

What's a reasonable amount to spend on a laptop?

I was thinking I could spend £500 - £700 (probably around $600 - $900 I would guess) for a second hand laptop. Because I reckon there are good deals if you get something second hand.

>>105540892
Depends what you want to do with it bruv

>>105540892
I hate getting electronics I can't take apart and put back together easily ever since I bought a second hand gaming PC for what I thought was a good deal and came with a free roach infestation.

>>105541119
Then you are in luck since any remotely modern thinkpad is held together by like 6 captive screws

>>105540931
True

>>105541119
I was thinking of getting a laptop which has things like upgradeable RAM, a replaceable battery (even if that requires a few screws to be undone), upgradeable storage, etc. I don't want all this soldered shit.

>>105512922 (OP)
Indeed. Im sitting on a t60p, two t430 models and a 420. Its getting a bit aggregious though my collection needs a new home.
I bought an hp255 g10 and i enjoy it though. Pretty nice when i dont wanna run my lenovo or need some more modern performance.

>>105531871
>my old pos dinosaur laptop is better than your pos dinosaur laptop

>>105540892
500, anything more is a ripoff.

Brehs, they "gave" me a T14 gen1 at work. The components are ok, I like the size, weight and battery life, but the hardware itself is so shit. Its difficult to open, the keyboard is meh and it feels fragile.
Is there a modern equivalent line or specific model that it's more serviceable/rugged?

>>105541424
gen 3 onwards, AMD.

Why is the T440p so revered? I got one a few years ago because it was mentioned a lot, but now I don't remember the reasons.

And how do I cover the optical drive slot now a SSD caddy is in there?

Also keyboard reccs? The Chinese knockoff I installed feels bad.

>>105541382
I think the other guy is right that it depends what you're doing. If I get a machine that can't do the things I want to do then it's just a waste of money really.

>>105541472
Yeah but you were asking for our opinion so I just chimed in, actually it should be $400 for me but fuck inflation.
But of course, indeed, use case will dictate the budget.
I just do emulation as the heaviest task so yeah.

I've picked up an X13 Gen 1 AMD that I reckon I can fix, I've got an SSD lying around and the broken casing and keyboard can be got for cheap, the only remaining thing is the screen. Without the screen it's $100 all in. What's a decent screen for them? I don't need touch, I just need to be able to look at things.

It will run Fedora in the end presumably, if that works with AMD.

>>105541452
same reason the t480 is "revered"
a bunch of thinkpad resellers had trouble selling t440p's and t480's because they are inferior machines (t440p has no trackpoint buttons shit battery life, fan issues etc., t480 has 2 usb ports, trackpoint issues, shit battery life etc.)
so, they relentlessly shilled these machines on r/thinkpad and /tpg/ claiming bs like "upgradeability" (the t440p maxes out at 16GB ram, "upgradeability" lol, even the w510 supports 32gb ram) and quad core cpus (you're not guaranteed to even get one on these machines, and other thinkpads of the era had quadcores too)
because people here like to think they are part of a special thinkpad club they follow and repeat whatever opinion is shilled the most, so people keep shilling the t440p and t480 even after the resellers stopped having to dump machines.
in reality they are local minima in terms of thinkpad quality

>>105542455
What's your Thinkpad preference?

>>105542477
for the newer models T14g2, last model before they fucked the keyboard
a good newish model is the T460s/T470s, last models to support Windows 7 officially, great battery life, good enough cpu for most things. i put the s models instead of the T460/T470 because it's easier to find them with 1080p displays and they have better build quality, but the standard models are fine too
the x220/x230 are probably good, never owned one myself but i used my friend's x220 and it was nice.
anything older than that is not suitable for modern computing

I want an IBM branded thinkpad that I could use for uni stuff

What models should I look for and for how much?

I'm gonna build my own T14 Gen 5 AMD from scratch.
I just bought a 8840u motherboard for under $200, plus the palmrest, base cover, touchpad, and fan for pretty cheap prices.

>>105539683
>attempting to stray from Debian
You'll be back.

>>105542639
X230-X270 are virtually identical in performance. Skip the X220/X230 if you're not married to the classic keyboard. iGPUs do get progressively (but marginally) better. It really comes down to condition and screen resolution/quality. Whatever you can find from X240-X270 is going to be basically the same.

I suspect this advice would also apply to the T440-70 too but maybe not, I haven't paid as much attention to them. You also get "s" or "p" variants that play at the margins of various parameters but aren't going to affect the bottom line a lot.

i7, corebooted, ips screen, ssd, new battery, no scratches, good condition x220- how much is it worth?

>>105532029
I searched on Aliexpress for that but I couldn't find anything, I got this Cf adapter but I bricked the Cf card with flashing an image with dd lmao need to order a new one. I also got a 44 IDE to sd adapter from China but it still needs to arrive here

>>105543243
the x240-270 have shrunk keyboards (unlike the t440-t470), so it's not just a matter of chiclet vs membrane. for that reason alone you should stay away from those laptops, unless you have child/woman hands they are super uncomfortable to use, and you're never going to get used to them if you use other computers with non-shrunk keyboards
also the x240/t440 don't have trackpoint buttons, so you might as well just get a different brand. the only reason to get a thinkpad is for the trackpoint, if you're using a touchpad there are much better laptops at every price point, with better build quality, specs, and even peripherals

>>105543856
I actually didn't know they shrunk the keyboards for those models. Did they "stay" shrunk on into the 13" X380/90/X13? Or did that end with the last 12.5" X280?

>>105543653
nvm found the usb adapter

>>105543929
according to this it's the same keyboard: https://www.amazon.com/Layout-Replacement-Keyboard-Lenovo-ThinkPad/dp/B08TVDTMR4
the keyboard is shrunk on the x60/61 too, likely older X-series as well, so we only got a span of 4 generations (X200-X230) of 12-inch thinkpads with full size keyboards

bump

>>105544073
They've shrank it twice then. Between the x230 and x240, then again on the x280, which carried over into the 13" x series. Both times by small amounts (3% on the x280 shrink) but it seems like it's been noticed. I put my hands on an X13G1 a couple of weeks ago and my fingers weren't landing just right when touch typing (vs my x230) and now I know why. I would probably be able to adjust over time but it's good info to have.

>>105543653
what is this?

I just want my X200 to have better specs :(

>>105547362
https://www.tpart.net/about-x210ai/

>>105548094
>1.9k usd no battery no cmos and other things
what the fuck

>>105546971
PCMCIA compactflash reader

>>105549291
>PCMCIA compactflash reader
This goes in the expresscard slot?

I put a bootleg sata caddy on my t430 but it doesn't recognise the ssd

>>105549453
Nope, the expresscard is an evolution of it
the IBM laptop in question is old as fuck so it uses a PCMCIA /PC Card slot.

What should I do with the expresscard slot on my X220?

>>105550583
nuffin

>>105550670
Isn't there at least an expresscard cupholder I can order on alibaba?

>>105550583
USB 3 if it doesn't have it natively

>>105551147
Do you know a good one I can leave in there for ever without turning the laptop in a cookingplate?
1 or 2 ports should be more than enough

>>105551181
I'm still looking. Tried a DeLock one and had to return it because of the heat.

>>105551137
use case?

>>105551181
>>105551195
just get an i7 board

>>105551196
holding cups or a shot glass

If you have a T14 Gen 5, you can buy the new larger 57Wh battery for the Gen 6 and put it in your Gen 5.

>>105552103
Thank you, I was wondering if you could

>>105536216
Can't make this shit up

If all I want is a laptop that can browse the web, do online work, and listen to youtube videos, is this a good purchase? No gaming, just work and music.

>>105532933
lenovo bios updates have the tendency to fuck things up. the only time you should update a thinkpad's bios is to fix a problem with the bios (e.g. the issue with the T470 bios that caused cpu throttles to 0.38ghz, making systems unusable)
even then it's often not worth it unless it actually cripples your system (like the example i gave). lenovo released a bios update to fix trackpoint issues on some newer thinkpads a while back, but it ended up causing even more problems (i think the lenovo quietly deleted the update but my memory is hazy)

>>105552974
>lenovo bios updates have the tendency to fuck things up
not my experince.
Updating the bios added next gen cpu support.

>>105552928
Is what a good purchase

Guys, i need advice, i was thinking of core/librebooting my T480 but after seeing the tranny drama surrounding libreboot i will avoid that for now, im more interested in TRANSitioning over to Pop!_OS for security+usability away from Windows 11 IoT LTSC Enterprise, i have an MSI laptop that i will use for gaming which i will keep Win 11 Ent, but i want to move more automated and server related applications and processes to my T480 (that i basically keep docked and on 50% AC charge 24/7),

My only real concern is Office 365 which i daily on the T480 through RDP from my MSI, what am i losing out on? i dont mind CLI for most of my operations but i dont want to lose access to critical elements, suggest

>>105553015
A thinkpad of some variety. I've settled on this one so far

https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T14-Thunderbolt-Windows/dp/B0BDGB49KW?refinementf=p_36%3A-29500

>>105553165
that one is fine. if you're willing to stretch your budget a little i'd go for a second gen, the cpu is much better, but if you aren't doing anything intensive it doesn't really matter

>>105553258
i think i'll go for it just in case, thanks

>>105552974
>lenovo bios updates have the tendency to fuck things up.
yeah but not to the point that your system will brick. you don't have to rush updates but bios updates are foolproof and shouldn't brick any unit.

I've got a 9 cell x220 battery. The system reports that it's only got 14% of the design capacity which makes it completely useless BUT it works for much longer than it should: It reports 100% for ~30 minutes of use, then goes from 100% to 5% somewhat rapidly (~10 minutes), then it continues to work normally at 5% for a long time. Seems like the battery has some life left in it, how do I make it work properly? I use arch btw.

I've got 2 other batteries and they always show the correct %.

I like how on the new ThinkPads, they got rid of the shiny badge on the palmrest.
They're really cheaping out.

What do you guys think about Framework laptops? They're highly modular like the Thinkpads of old, might even exceed it in some regards.

>>105554027
Just get a new battery ffs.

>>105554070
>modular
Retarded buzzword.
Every laptop is modular as long as you can find parts.
Lenovo is actually really good and parts availability, and the third party market has great deals too.
I just got a Ryzen 8840u T14 G5 mobo for $190.
Getting a 7840u mobo from Framework is like $500 I think.

X series is better than T series.

Wanted to tell /tpg/ about a fix I did that saved a machine from the scrap heap or at least some unnecessary dismantling/repairs.

Long story short - L390Y screen glitched and completely locked up when you flexed the chassis a particular way, like picking it up from a corner.

Two cables running thru the hinges, the LCD and what I thought was the touch digitizer. Disconnected the non-LCD one and everything started working fine. Pick it up however you want, fold the screen completely over, whatever. Touchscreen still worked, which confused me. Then it dawned on me the LCD/digitizer was one cable, the other was for the webcam.

So a failing camera ribbon cable will absolutely give you some fucky symptoms that make you think it's something else. In the end I got to keep my touchshit which I was prepared to give up and ended up with a free privacy mod that saves me from putting a sticker over the camera anyway.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

>>105554272
>L390Y

>>105554326
Wasn't mine (but is now). I get all of my family's broken shit to tinker with.

>>105554437
I also tinker.

I just don't like the cheaper series of Lenovo laptops because people get them and then cry that ThinkPad quality has gone down

>>105554164
What would you need that mobo for?

>>105554070
Putting USB-C port on top of soldered USB-C and claiming to be more repairable while Macbook has removable ports is just silly.

>>105554732
To build the laptop myself.

>>105554078
where's the fun in that

>>105554595
This L390Y is about what I expected - serviceable but not worth writing home about. The IPS screen is decent comparatively vs any TN panels ever made, and some cheaper IPS ones I've seen.

I do enjoy I can drop another 8gb stick in it for $10, but the keyboard isn't great. I had a few minutes with an X13YG1 a while back and the keyboard was much better than this L390Y.

>gather all the ebay parts i need in my cart
>seller sees that the parts are in 1 person's cart
>raises the prices on just those parts
lol fucking jew, you missed out on $350
not buying it now

>>105512922 (OP)
What are we going to do in 10-20 years when we can't get these anymore.
this isn't sustainable. Old thinkpads are the last good electronics that don't try to turn you into a rape slave

Is there really any reason to get into Thinkpads from a hobbyist perspective, if I already have a few older desktop builds for old operating systems that I tinker with anyway? I use an old Aspire laptop on IOT LTSC and it does everything I need. I browse this thread a lot, but I just think laptops in general are pretty lame.

>>105556917
>only uses cheap shit quality poorfag laptops
>"but I just think laptops in general are pretty lame"

>>105556917
No
T420 is the last one with non-chiclet keyboard, T430 is the last one with roll cage, and T480 is the last one with external battery.
Modern thinkpad is lame.

>>105556943
Anon I think those ultrabooks were like $2000 new...

>>105557064
no they weren't

>>105557068
$2300 adjusting for inflation... assuming they posted the i7 spec

>>105557111
inflation isn't real, it's just jewish tricks to make you pay more

>>105556917
Thinkpads have always been mediocre machines in terms of build quality, modularity, peripherals (aside from top-of-the-line keyboards, but that's only on newer models: once you go back to the classic IBM thinkpad era, other business brands like COMPAQ had competitive keyboards), linux support, and price. People weirdly think that older Thinkpads are superior on these aspects, but really, take any business laptop and a thinkpad from the same year, and they'll be roughly comparable in terms of these aspects.
However, thinkpads have one thing going for them that no other modern laptop has: the trackpoint.
The trackpoint is LEGENDARY. It will change your life, I can't imagine going back to a non-thinkpad laptop ever solely because of the trackpoint. I could give two shits about soldered RAM, or shit thermals, or even key travel, but the trackpoint alone is a reason to use a Thinkpad, and it's also the only reason to use a Thinkpad.

>>105557352
This and keyboard layout stability. I think only MacBooks have kept the same layout, including where the F keys are in relation to the digits and which ones are for volume and brightness, for longer than ThinkPads.

beump

T480 chads, what config do you use for mpv?
Every video causes my fans to rev up
If I play a video on youtube it'll be silent, but if I download and play that same video on mpv
>VRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>105560053
hwdec=vaapi

Uses less power than Firefox for me with this set.

>>105557352
not entirely true, I remember having a T43 and the build quality was so great I remember it even today, it was completely a different league compared to lenovo.

Fully agree on the trackpoint though, like take the Latitude trackpoint for comparison, it fucking sucks

>>105560284
>vo=gpu-next
>hwdec=auto
Use these
>>105560053

>>105560053
Stop using mpv you retarded tranny.
VLC is the most efficient video player.

The new ThinkPads no longer have a silver logo.
Now the palmrest logo is just an indentation, and the logo on the back cover is black but really cheap and shitty looking, nowhere as nice as the black logos from the X1 line.

>>105560641
Pics?

>>105560641
ok, so?

>>105560733
Just look them up yourself

>>105561369
They don't look as nice.

Can't decide between X13, T14, or T16...

>>105561969
death to all doroposters

>>105561969
>portable
x13
>plugged in all the time
t14
>what the fuck
T16

Anyone do anything with their old ThinkPads? I have my T420 still just gathering dust. Was gonna bin or donate it.

Why does everyone shit on the T14 Gen 5?

>>105563067
I'm still using mine

>>105563152
What for? Just general browsing and what not?

>>105563207
pretty much that's all what I do.
and yes, you can't do more.
Even DS emulation is too much for this.
I got thinkcenter to bridge the gap, but I'm stuck with choice overload to what to do to it exactly.

>>105563139
It's supposed to be a return to greatness but it's still a downgrade in all but performance from the T480 which everyone compares it to and which was already a compromise. Flexy chassis, soldered wifi, WWAN slot whitelist, shallow keyboard, no SD card slot.

I use one at work. It's fine. It just could have been a lot more if only they had tried.

>>105563067
I use my x220 more than my t470s

I know this is a bad word around here, but I just want something to play vidya at work. I get paid to sit in an office for eight hours and do nothing. I don't wanna buy some cheap shit from best buy that'll be broken in two years. It doesn't need to have insane horsepower; if it can run Minecraft and emulated DS games I'll be happy. Can Thinkpads do that?

>>105563758
my t480 can't, i could only get minecraft to run smoothly at 4 chunks render distance, and desmume ran at like 1/3 speed. maybe if you get a newer one.

>>105564451
>my t480 can't
what?
use linux.
minecraft run fine even DS at 30 fps

>>105563758
Just get any Ryzen
Or 11th gen intel - the only one that matters - older have shit gpu, newer have shit cpu

>>105563419
>Flexy chassis
I don't know where this chassis flex meme came from.
I work in repairs, and I compared a T14 Gen 4 and Gen 5 side by side and they had the same level of flex, Gen 4 actually flexed just a bit more. Held them up by the corner, pushed down on the palmrest, etc. Exactly the same. Why didn't people complain about flex with the Gen 3/Gen 4?
Goes to show the stupid fucking hivemind of people that haven't actually compared products.

>>105563419
>shallow keyboard
Bitch, you don't know shallow. Go use a MacBook and then tell me about shallow keyboards
The G5 keyboard is a bit more tactile than G3/G4, it's good to type on, I have a lot less mispresses on it.

>>105563758
T15 Gen1 AMD is the last one worth buying and will play any games you want.

>>105564930
>T15
T14. Stupid fingers. Everything after those dropped the ethernet port and has various other firmware issues.

>>105563067
Self-hosted services. Homelab server.

>>105563758
Newer stinkpad, both Intel and AMD, is able to run everything including Cyberpunk 2077 at the lowest setting with just iGPU

>>105564945
>new thinkpads don't have ethernet
are you niggers retarded?
t14 and t16 have rj45 ports

>>105566152
Read nigger. The T14s after gen1 don't have them.
>T16
>check ebay
>only $1k
lol

>>105566208
You wrote T14, not T14s you retard.

>>105566208
>>T16
>>check ebay
>>only $1k
>lol
Why are you looking at brand new T16's? Used sales sell for $400 to $700.
If I listed a brand new unopened X220/X230, it would sell for $1k too retard.

>>105563758
My m2000m P50 runs Minecraft with fast shaders and 100+ mods. Gets loud at 30 chunks render distance, but still hovers around 30fps at FHD.
If portability isn't really a criteria you might look for a 4k P70 with an m5000m or a P72 with a P4200 GPU.
otherwise AMD T14 G2/G3.

>>105566262
Okay? Everything past the T14 Gen 1 AMD is not worth buying for several other reasons.

>>105566262
>only $400 dollardos for beat up bullshit
wow amazing

>>105564555
i use linux. still shit performance in minecraft (modern versions, 1.8 for pvp is okay), idk maybe you have a 720p display, or a better cpu. i have an i5-8350u and a 1080p display, it is laggy to the point where it's not worth playing.
30 fps on DS is still half speed, i would classify that as unplayable

T14s Gen3 FHD AMD Ryzen 5 Pro 6650U 16GB for $400. Worth it? Actually don't know if this has the good or bad screen.

>>105566208
Dumb ass cracker can't even read his own post, then gets mad when his question gets answered. Ungrateful and embarrassing little child

>>105567264
It's the 300 nit non-touch 45% NTSC screen which is still better than the IPS screen that I had in my X230. If you're not a retard, you can just swap in a better panel.
Battery health is >95% for them.
I think it's a good deal.
T14s Gen 3 AMD Rembrandt has the best battery life to date, it still beats the unreleased Kraken/Strix Point T14s Gen 6 in battery life.
If it were the X13 (they have the same motherboard anyway), I'd immediately buy it.
I want an X13, I miss my X230.

>>105567264
It's the 300 nit non-touch 45% NTSC screen which is still better than the IPS screen that I had in my X230. If you're not a retard, you can just swap in a better panel.
Battery health is >95% for them.
I think it's a good deal.
T14s Gen 3 AMD Rembrandt has the best battery life to date, it beats the Krackan Point T14s Gen 6 in MobileMark 25 (battery life endurance test).
If it were the X13 (they have the same motherboard anyway), I'd immediately buy it.
I want an X13, I miss my X230.

>>105560053
>he actually fell for the MPV meme
>in the year 2025
Even my Lenovo IdeaPad Gaming 3 stays dead silent even when I'm watching 4K videos in the Pot Player and in the YouTube!

>>105560604
Please be nice to him, you butt hurt cretin!

>>105567672
Yeah I really like my X230, but the front panel with the power button is messed up. X13 does seem like a good alternative to a T14s

>>105567140
My T480 has the GeForce MX150 and plays Genshin at shit settings for 60fps.

>>105567869
>genshit
Retard miyoslop faggot. Fuck off

>>105567916
I'm using it as an example/benchmark you dumb fuck.

im going to university this summer so i need a laptop im thinking of getting a bestbuy refurbished macbook air m3 16gb ram 512ssd what y'all think only $900 or should i get a brand new m4 for $1100 from apple ($200 difference for brand new vs "refurbished")

>>105512990
All I want is this but with modern hardware, long battery life and a good display. Is this too much to ask for?

>>105568088
>spending $1k for an apple laptop that will be obsolete in 2 years
Don't be retarded anon. Buy a used thinkpad with better states for $200-$300. If you want to spend a grand get a Framework. I'm assuming you're actually retarded and this isn't bait. No one here is going to tell you buying Appleshit is okay.

>>105568225
the majority of college students use macbooks in my compsci courses and others use "gaming" laptops or cheap windows laptops
the school gives me a linux vm anyway so i can just buy a $300 chromebook

>>105568340
>the majority of college students use macbooks
Yeah because their parents buy them and they're retards. This wasn't the case when I was in school. When I was in school you saw a mix of various laptops with Windows pre-loaded and most students had either installed some form of UNIX on them or were still running Windows debloated. A couple had netbooks.

Buying Appleshit for compsci is like the dumbest thing ever. Now you're locked into spending money every year to sign bins for your own computer or you're forced to use shit like homebrew or rely on shitty ports of Linux to the hardware. By the time the linux port is halfway decent your Appleshit is "old" and it's time to replace it again to keep up with the churn (wouldn't want to look poor).

Furthermore this is thinkpad thread. So asking about Apple laptop is either bait or someone very uninformed. If you want to talk about Apple shit I'm sure there are at least 10 shill threads posted by the mod in the catalog. I don't even touch Appleshit if I get it for free because it's always such a pain in the ass to do anything fun on them. I have an Apple TV that sits unused because I can't even compile mpv front end for it because they want like $100 and want me to buy one of their shitty laptops to access the tools I need to compile the software. On top of that jail breaking it requires cracking it open and soldering on a usb port. The only "free" player that supports connecting to my Jellyfin server refuses to load half the audio/video codecs without nagging me for money. Only $100 a year to access my own files. :^)

The only people buying this crap that are in high school - college are children concerned with how other people see them and 9 times out of 10 they're spending their parent's money so they don't give a fuck about pissing away thousands of dollars every year or two to keep up with upgrades. They're also too dumb to realize Apple updates are making it slower and artificially nuking the battery.

>>105568340
"gaming" laptops are ass, awful battery life, heavy with noisy fans.

Macbooks (Apple silicon) have decent battery life and great build quality. Lots of tooling are available for arm now, and homebrew's not bad. And macOS is a lot closer to Linux than Windows are.

Don't think you need M3. A used M1 Pro is good enough (absolutely needs >=16GB RAM though).

>>105568459
>"gaming" laptops are ass, awful battery life, heavy with noisy fans.
way more false than true
fan controls can do pretty much whatever you want; a profile keeping your fans at ~1600-1800 rpm will sit in low 20s db, which is next to nothing
as for battery, it takes some fiddling with settings, but once you have a strict igpu profile you're looking at 5+ hours of browsing/video/office/whatever
>heavy
deal with it, 6 lbs or whatever ain't shit

>>105567140
>1080p
It's blocky game, downscale
>30 fps is unplayable
kek

>>105567714
what movie?

>>105567714
Because those use HW decoding?

>>105524454
Repair what exactly? The board if I actually build one?
Also when is the last time a CPU failed on you? I've never in my life had a CPU fail on me.

>>105568714
right, or get a cheap macbook or office laptop and not have to deal with any of that, and save money? like get the gaming laptop if you want to play games with it, but a non-gaming laptop is gonna be cheaper

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>>105568714
NTA, but gaming Laptops are usually specbait with shitty build quality.
Agree with you on the fan controls.
But 5 hours is still shit for a 70-99Wh battery and lugging around a dGPU that'll stay switched off is pointless.
eGPU + well cooled 14Inch with over 10h battery life are just better in every way unless you game at home and during classes.