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>>105520007READ THE WIKI! & help by contributing:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Home_server
/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think youโre god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.
>What software should I run?Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.
>Why should I have a home server?De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.
>Links & resourcesCool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
https://reddit.com/r/datahoarder
https://www.labgopher.com
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/index
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Features
ARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQ
Low-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI
SFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/
Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/
PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf
>i226-V NICs are bad for servers>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT modeWiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxn
Cockpit is nice for remote administration
Remember:
RAID protects you from DOWNTIME
BACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS
>>105536170 (OP)I'M GONNA SERVE!!!!!!!
>>105536462>tfw my hentai@home client is literally the only thing my network actually serves
>>105536462It does seem like a lot of fun
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People with ghetto setups, where do you keep your server stuff?
Pic not mine, but I have one of these TV nook/cubby in my bedroom and I keep all my shit hidden behind the TV.
Have to electrical tape all the leds to keep that shit from blinking in the dark when I'm trying to sleep.
>>105536484I prefer hentai@work that incidentally is also hentai@home. god bless wfh.
I'm trying to get a VoIP phone to work with asterisk. It's a NEC DT800, there's forum posts about people using different firmware but it's just one dude sending out emails with the firmware.
In Wireshark it just shows the correct SIP flow of REGISTER, 401, REGISTER, 200.
Any help anons?
for some unfathomable reason my house has an autistic U-shaped appendix made out of load bearing brick walls, so I hung a wooden board on some hinges as a door, added some shelves, made a mini-closet. it's also near the front of the house right where the phone lines enter the home so it was the perfect place to put the broadband connection and hence my router lives there and now it's basically my network closet
and now I have realised that it is too fucking small to fit rack hardware so I will never be able to fit any used enterprise gear. it's literally like just 10cm too short on each side aieeeeee
>>105536507My shed. Has power, UPS's and window fans for cold air intake / hot air exhaust
>>105535196If server boards came with an IPMI to dick adapter I'd fuck them. Life without IPMI is possible but pointless.
>>105538106Insert Penis (into) Machine Interface - IPMI
>>105538106>>105538122Intelligent penial machine interference
What do yall use for IPTV and webradio?
Makes peeeenis into rrrrrobot.
Why don't you use the better container solution?
>>105541219why is it better
>>105539387I tried jellyfin's IPTV thingy once with one of those free .m3u lists, it worked fine I guess.
>>105541242It's truely free, as in freedom
>>105541242You get to feel superior to people using docker
>>105541242rootless by design
no daemon
100% compatable with docker
You can even alias docker="podman" to help you cope
and seals are 9000% cuter than whales.
What's the best way to set up services and self hosting in a way that I can completely remove it later on, instead of reformatting the whole OS?
>>105541451leave a shit ton of redundant data when removed
Cloudflare as registrar, good or bad idea?
Gandi are jacking prices up again so I'm moving. Previously had Gandi as a registrar and another service as the actual nameserver, but Cloudflare don't allow this. I was intending to move NS to cloudflare anway, so it's not a problem technically, but does the old advice of keeping registrar and NS separate to avoid one compromise hitting everything no longer apply?
Well, /hsg/?
>>105538295Sidenote: Brave Search's AI told me that if I block DoT and DoH, Google Cast will fallback to unencrypted DNS requests (port 53), which my redirect rule will force through Unbound, resulting in ads getting successfully blocked. Although I'll have to make exceptions for things like Tailscale and ProtonVPN to work. Worth?
>>105542182>>105542028stop shitting the thread up.
thoughts? good or bad idea? ended up going with shut the fuck up.
every god damned thread with you.
>>105542182why are you using Google Cast in the first place?
>>105542529>dude stop discussing things in a thread about your home serverOkay you double nigger - What should we be talking about then?
>>105542638WE should be discussing homelab type shit
YOU should be fighting pakistan in the khyber pass
>>105541470virtual machines
>>105542529You don't have any blocklists in your OPNsense's Unbound configuration, anon?
>>105542566I don't really use it, although I could swear the quality of the YouTube video I first cast to test if I still got ads (I did) was better quality than what I got from my laptop. Casting allows you the "premium" bitrate I guess?
Anyway, I was thinking more about visitors and family who might be more inclined to use Cast. If I could block ads from Cast it would be very neat.
>>105543043Thanks for reminding me.
/hsg/, I'm a rack-less Norwegian. I even considered building my own out of wood at some point. Regardless, there aren't many options here as far as I can tell:
https://prisjakt.no/category.php?catId=3631&k=s415056342
Technically I don't need more than the wrongly linked 4U one in the top link for the StarTech Open Frame 2 Post one. Cheap as shit, but surely enough for my WS-C3580-24P-L switch and a future planned patch panel. And I guess a tray up top to hold my PiKVM, router, and file server? Might get close to the weight limit on that last one though, although it doesn't really need a rack (old U-NAS-NSC-400 case).
Used market:
https://finn.no/recommerce/forsale/item/395520633
>https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/115776322020
Fuck me this is unironically tempting
I could probably resell them for a profit, or keep even keep one and break even, if they're all working. I seriously don't need the headache though, but still
>>105543644>Location: Haifa, pissrael
My pi 400 turns up tomorrow
It'll be my first server type thing
In the meantime I tried Oracle cloud with a ubuntu vm. I didn't realise it used so little ram. Only like 0.2gb with nothing loaded. Pretty crazy.
>>105536170 (OP)did the dude in OP's image do a dumpster diving and found a bunch of 2U decomissioned servers? If so, lucky.
>>105536507I crave for the that old "smart" TV's can be jailbroken and got usable as a cheap home servers, provided we could install on them any OS we want and make use of them instead of ended as ewaste when the manufacturere decides to diosable them because is not propfitable for to update thjem anymore. I mean many cellphones can do that, why not old smart tvs as they (most I daresay) are also android based.
Anyone knows if this is already happening or I am just hallucinating because I missed lunch?
for mass storage of movies/tv/anime/games/music etc whats better a few high capacity drives (14TB -20TB) or several less capacity drives (8TB or less)
>>105543984>Oracle cloud with a ubuntu vmGood luck not getting your account deleted out of nowhere because of various petty "security reasons" like you logged in from two different ip's in one day or some shit.
I really need to setup a subscription for buying UPS batteries. I swear these things only last like a year.
>>105544208Just use a car battery. Those sealed gel cells suck
>>105537721just buy short depth equipment?
did you really make this closet less than 2ft square?
>>105541470so nuke it
>>105542028bad. clownflare force you into using them as authoritative dns. plus supporting the global mitm network is bad.
>>105544013they're 4U you blind retard
>>105534482You might end up needing to experiment with extension cords if your single breaker isn't up to snuff for all that future gear. The setup sounds rad though. Most of my networking stuff if 1g/2.5g/10g small scale crap that can't be traditionally racked without a shelf, so as things stand even with plans to buy a new rack for old parts and maybe rack a current system, I wouldn't need anything huge either. But it would be nice to have shit close enough together to make the upgrade from 10g DAC to 25g fiber make sense.
>>105544028All things equal, a few high capacity drives. You save space, electricity, and allow for future expansion, with the ability to do silly stuff like virtual disks (bigger than the ones you would be able to make with 8TB drives, anyway).
Another thing to consider is that larger capacity HDDs tend to (but not always) be newer. So if there's any likelihood that you're buying used drives (think old stuff from a datacenter that's being phased out or upgraded) be aware of age as a factor.
>tfw successful nextcloud install on new server
>>105546034>and now it's connected to my phone via tailscale
>>105541219i use containerd
>>105544391It's depth AND width.
>did you really make this closet less than 2ft square?The retaining walls are arranged like that anon, I didn't intentionally build this closet.
>>105546034i can give you my helm charts but im gonna charge for it
>>105546561wtf is it a small chimney or flue or something
>>105543659is this proxmox shit?
>>105546034whats an acceptable usecase for nextcloud?
i have immich for pictures btw
>>105547120No, its not exclusive to Proxmox. Proxmox does let you create and manage lxcs, but also lxd(canonicals containerisation software) and incus (its community fork) let you do that. Personally i much prefer linux containers (lxc) to application containers (docker/podman).
Why does /hsg/ hate having a bleeding edge rolling release OS on their system, and keep using containers and VMs to use the latest features?
Wasting valuable resources for a hobby project instead of optimizing it?
>>105543064>I don't really use itThen why bother? The hours you spend trying to remove ads on a proprietary spying device are not worth the minutes of ad time you'd save with your methods. Also quality on youtube is long dead. Trying to revive it this way is a fruitless effort. Looking for alternatives is a better way to sped your time and for your occasional visitors you could just hoop up a laptop connected to your local invidious instance or whatever.
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>>105546034>he doesn't know
>>105547210The main issue with arch on servers is not that its rolling release or whatever but that you keep spamming it and fighting against imaginary people.
>>105547249why a nuc type thing and not a thin client? The latter is more cost effective i think.
>>105547253It's a RPi5 4GB. About the same price as a used thin client but main advantage is lower power draw. Plus I like slightly weird, eccentric hardware.
Why sunshine is so bitch to set up?
Am I better off using rustdesk?
How can I start self-hosting on my gaming PC?
>It's on 24/7 and have the resources to spare.
Do I copy the OS into proxmox as VM and start up containers and VMs?
Or do I build on top of it according to what I need and use docker for the other stuff?
>shared storage
>plex
>nextcloud
>seedbox
>>105547191Why use this instead then?
>>105547288Rustdesk is basado and easy to set up
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>>105547281well the power draw is technically a little lower but if you add performance into the equation the thin client does more work per watt so really depends on if you are doing some minimal load all the time or actually need performance. In the latter case the PI would be actually more wasteful than the thin client.
>Plus I like slightly weird, eccentric hardware.Arm is not really weird nowdays. People even use their phones as servers.
I'd say getting some risc-v board would be a lot cooler.
>>105547244>imaginary peopleThere are people actually hate arch for the meme pacman breakage.
Actually archinstall even has the server profile now.
>>105547331It's mostly idle and already more powerful than I need really. Other SBCs are sadly not competitive price/performance wise here in Poorope. I agree RISCV would be cool.
>>105536170 (OP)is it worth running a home server when you can pay like 4โฌ/month for a VPS ?
>>105547436>is it worth running a home server that takes 4โฌ/month in electricity when you can pay like 4โฌ/month for a VPS ?Unless that vps got 64core cpu and 256G ram, i think if you do the math its quite worth it.
>>105547407>Other SBCs are sadly not competitive price/performance wise here in Poorope. I agree RISCV would be cool.Well the scb i posted costs around if not less than a Pi5. Even if its a little slower you already said its idle most of the time anyways to i would still consider getting one for the coolness factor.
>>105547591Here it's slightly more expensive for a fraction of the performance. On the other hand it has two GbE ports and some storage built in which is nice.
>>105547758where in europe do you live that the prices we get are so different? I also live here but they are around the same, +- 20$ depending on listing/seller but on average very similar.
>>105546829No it is literally just autism, I wasn't exaggerating.
IIRC it's something like, the inner part was once the front wall, but then the house was extended like two feet forward, and for some reason a portion of the old front wall was kept (because structural reasons or something), so now I've got three sides of a square of structural wall. With space that's just slightly too small for rack sized components.
>>105547774Here it's +~40โฌ for the same RAM model. Perhaps kinda justified for the extra hardware. I'd perhaps consider it for a router that doesn't do much else but I haven't looked into CPU perf. My guess it's worse than an A76 in terms of IPC let alone clock speed.
>>105547210>>105547340>use arch>run service on it that requires postgres db>pacman -Syu>the "postgres" package happily updates me from postgres13 to postgres14>all my DBs break because the versions are incompatible and require manual migrationPacman doesn't just trash your system all the time or anything, and nobody's xorg.conf has probably gotten broken in a decade, but sometimes arch and pacman do still do really retarded shit for no reason.
I also really don't like the config update merging. Gentoo has dispatch-conf which is official and just werks always. Arch just shits out .pacnew files everywhere and you're invited to use one out of a dozen unofficial unmaintained rando scripts or else just trawl through them all manually.
>>105547884>all my DBs break because the versions are incompatible and require manual migrationyou're just delaying the inevitable.
>>105547320For me it's the latter + rustdesk
>>105547903Anon that was a few years ago. Postgres maintains multiple versions for ages - right now the latest version is postgres 17 and meanwhile postgres 13 is still maintained until the end of this year.
The point is that it shouldn't just suddenly break on a routine system update. If I know my database is reaching EOL, or if I want to be on the latest version just for good measure, I can update on my own time. But in the meantime I should be able to update all my system packages without worrying about my database.
Or if you're REALLY going to force upgrade to an incompatible package, either you need a smart system to auto-migrate (still at terrible idea), or at least clearly and loudly tell the user what's happening. Not as some log line somewhere among the 80 package update messages way back in your terminal scrollback, but as an explicit action item summary shown at the end and ideally even queryable by the user afterwards.
This is actually not dissimilar to my complaint about updated configs (not telling the user what needs to be done and giving them a convenient way to do it). And actually gentoo again has that solved, with eselect news providing a convenient channel to notify users of major breaking changes and any actions or migrations required from their end - so you can usually do emerge world updates without any fear, and then at the end it prominently tells you "there are X unread news items" (usually only one, if at all, user-affecting breakages are rare after all) and then you can always go back and check what needs to be done.
The more I think about it - Gentoo on a server would unironically work well.
>>105548024I run Gentoo on all my servers both local and VPS except the print server which just runs a Debian derivate. It's perfectly fine if you don't go crazy with USE flags or alternative libcs and the like (which I still do though).
>>105547436That completely depends on the usage. They each have tradeoffs.
A VPS requires less effort to maintain and administrate. It also usually comes with a static public IP. And it's separate from your home network so being lax with security will have a much smaller impact.
But the downside is that a cheap VPS will usually have absolutely anemic performance, like 1-2 CPU cores, 1-4GB of memory, and <100 gigs of storage. For some things that's completely fine and then a VPS might be a perfectly suitable choice, but obviously it limits the applications a lot. And you can also rent much more powerful servers, even dedicated servers, but the costs grow very very quickly.
Another downside is that eaiser to maintain has the flipside of less control, so if you want some specific configuration, or if you're doing it as a hobby and want to build a homelab, a VPS is obviously the wrong choice.
And the fact that it's isolated from your home network can also be inconvenient if you want to run stuff at home, as you need to set up tunelling or remote access for everything.
I have both - I've got a couple of VPSs for things that don't require a lot of resources and which need a static IP and don't need to be on my home network. Meanwhile at home I've got stuff which I mainly use at home, like file server, home assistant, etc.
>>105547924>For me it's the latter + rustdeskWhat do you use rustdesk for?
Isn't VNC good enough?
And how hard was building on top if it?
Did it affect you performance while gaming?
>>105547331>People even use their phones as servers.I got a flagship android in a drawer but its a google locked in piece of shit
How do i use it as a server?
>>105548247Locked phones are e-waste sadly
>>105548280welp, then i guess i could flip it for several raspberry pis
>>105548247Install Termux from F-Droid and run the kind server you want.
>tfw finally placed an order on a rack, including patch panel, keystones, power strip, shelf
No longer shall my WS-C3850-24P-L lay uselessly slumped upon a bar table with cables running wild from the ceiling into it.
>>10554894580% of the time i get warnings like 'this thing and that thing dont have root access"
Is it worth migrating about a dozen databases from running on whatever VM they're serving right now to a dedicated VM on a host with considerably better RAM and storage?
>>105549384I would have the databases in their own VM at least. Wouldnโt say they need to be on a separate host unless youโre having performance issues.
>2025
>movies weight up to 70gb
>storage still have the same prices as 10-15 years ago
why the fuck is storage technology absolutely stale
>>105549662>movies weight up to 70gblet me guess, you ABSOLUTELY NEED "8k bluray rip with multiple 90000mbps 9.1 audio"
>>105550033No rip
Remux
Again, this is 2025, no age for lossy media
>>105549662Movies have been ~40-80GB for the last decade.
A few outliers are even over 100GB.
>>105549662>>105550033>>105550100>muh variable media with variable resolutions, bitrates, codecs and and durations comes in these particular file sizeseat shit
>>105550161Go ahead and show us your laser disc collection
>>105550100I forgot 4k films exist for overt a decade
Meanwhile HDDs remain as shitty
I remember reading right here around past decade that by now we would have affordable 200TB ssds too and yet here we are, my 2011 500GB SSD still around current ones
>>105547884>sudo timeshift --create --comments "before running pacman && sudo pacman -SyuYou probably have a lame excuse for not doing this?
>>105550229>update>it breaks>revert updateok what now retard
>>105550229I have this set before doing any update.
And I'm using btrfs as well.
Am I on the right board?
I just want to replace dropbox with something FOSS, does it make sense to have a home server for such a limited use? Is nextcloud on my computer a reasonable option? In this last case, the "server" would be shut down most of the time.
>>105547326nta but I hate having to customize docker containers to my env. It makes sense to test a new application or just get something running quick but the second I have to tell it what port to use or pass through storage and ownership ids it's a fucking mess.
LXC is just a unix filesystem with symlinks for the necessary hardware stuff. I can spinup a new container from a template in seconds and install software the classic way, also customize it however I want without it shitting the bed.
>>105551264What's the point of "cloud" storage if it's not up 24/7?
>>105551264Are you using drop ox to share files or just as bulk storage?
>>105551346Not for storage. I send some files to my tablet, and I share some documents with people.
>>105551323I know... But I found no free dropbox-like service, which makes sense since it costs money.
>>105548193Rustdesk to view my desktop. Seems that's what VNC is? Not sure desu.
It's just basically a desktop I access remotely, so it's as easy as using a desktop.
I barely play games anymore, so not sure I can help, but for local use I think you can use hdmi over ethernet which has low latency afaik
its just so fucking fun to buy an unloved nuc, repaste it, and update the bios, install arch and then it just works nice as a server
>>105547244we're allowed to fight when so many of you wintoddlers spread fud about it being unstable
say it with me "STABLE ROLLING-RELEASE DISTRO"
>>105549128What rack did you buy?
>>105546707>helm chartsI'm not doing this on kunernetes, just bash on *ubuntu.
>>105547186Presumably uploading all my candid panty shots to my server, but I was told (probably by you) that immich is something that fills that role as well. So I will also be uploading my gay fucking memes that I save while mobile browsing, to even things out.
>>105547232Can confirm I have no idea what the significance of this is.
>>105550661You can't break it by updating in 2025. That is like 2014 tier Arch Linux memery.
>>105547232Oh, okay I see. Well, if I had known I probably would have started with that.
>>105551535bruh
Even the largest deployment of arch doesn't use arch as it's intended
>>105551405>I found no free dropbox-like serviceWell for sharing files locally to your tablet you can use kdeconnect.
The problem with nextcloud is you'll need a user account for each person logging in or a shared account they'll all use to access files you store there. You can host it at home on your pc if you don't care about uptime but it means you gotta worry about dynamic dns, opening a port on your router, and deal with someone complaining your server is down when you're away from home and can't boot your pc.
You could pay monthly for a VPS, then all you have to worry about is user management. There's even providers that have nextcloud dedicated VPSs available so you don't even have to set it up yourself.
>>105541361>rootless by designits cool but fags on docker.io need to learn how to make containers properly first
How about devs stop being faggots and provide an actual package?
>>105546707What's the point of a home cluster?
>>105551547Went for StarTech 12U 2 post open frame. Can't imagine needing more.
>>105546134>connecting with cloudjewuse wiregaurd retard
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Hey I need help, I recently bought a Western Digital Gold 6tb drive (pic) and when I tried to use it in windows or Linux it didn't even spin up. Is it faulty or do I need something else. The drive is SATA so I don't know what could be the problem apart from maybe it being broken as I bought it second hand
>>105552909it's wild to me that people can need a server rack. I just use workstations. I wouldn't be willing to use a rack that didn't let me beautify it.
>>105552102damn, thanks anon
>>105553111I was originally going for something more proper, like a full frame at least, but with limited options and hefty pricetags I settled for that. Will be easy to work with if nothing else. Just need a table for it or something. Definitely easier to beautify than a whole rack enclosure you can barely get inside the house.
>>105553111>it's wild to me that people can need a server rack.I'll need to clean up and post my 42U 800x1000 rack here one day kek
>>105553086I said "tailscale", not "cloudflare" anon. Wireguard is the company that manages tailscale, anyway.
>>105553612>being this retarded
>fishing for (You)s in /hsg/
>>105553556What you got in your rack anon?
>>105553095You got scammed
It's fried
>>105547281there is literally nothing weird or eccentric about a raspi. especially a pi5.
>>105547569you'd also have to factor in the cost of buying the home server in the first place, duh
if your 64 core 256gb meme machine cost $420 and you expect to run it for 5 years thats $7 a month* plus power
*not really but im not forecasting opportunity cost and depreciation for fucking /hsg/
>>105553111>can need a server rackIts not a need.
>>105547436Yes it is because nobody can take your home server away from you if you physically posses it.
>>105553934>the cost of buying the home server in the first placeNo because people usually spend money on gaymershit or macshit and my suggestion is: you spend that money anyway, why not a server?
>>1055538914x4U dedicated to HDD storage space (but to be fair two of them are waiting to be upgraded from the almost decade old HDD pools in there), 3x4U GPU servers I upgrade whenever the used GPU market goes down in price significantly like a few years back when you could get 1080Ti's for basically nothing used, I got myself a tape library a while ago to manage offsite backups and 2x1U opnsense hosts for redundancy, the rest is mostly random old hosts slapped into whatever case I could get my hands on and an unholy mix of Cisco and Mikrotik network gear.
Originally my only real concern was being able to mount generous amounts of sound dampening panels in there and use low RPM fans because I had to keep the rack in my office back then.
>>105554313>4x4U dedicated to HDD storage space (but to be fair two of them are waiting to be upgraded from the almost decade old HDD pools in there)What are you using? is it something like a daisychained DAS or something different? What hardware? Quite envious apart from the power cost to run.
>3x4U GPU servers I upgrade whenever the used GPU market goes down in price significantly like a few years back when you could get 1080Ti's for basically nothing usedWhat do you use them for? Gaming? AI?
>I got myself a tape library a while ago to manage offsite backupsWhich library are you using? I take it you're using LTO tape - if so how many drives do you have and which generation of LTO are you using?
>2x1U opnsense hosts for redundancy, the rest is mostly random old hosts slapped into whatever case I could get my hands onAnything of note? I still have my first server (a short depth supermicro like pic related) which is so old it doesn't even have PCIE. It currently just spends its days archiving youtube channels with YT-DLP. Do you have anything like that?
>>105536170 (OP)better than a monger thread.
>>105554177presumably you're buying servershit as well as gaymer/macshit
not instead of
>>105554887>as well as gaymer/macshitNo i'm not a manchild
And i already get macs from work
>>105536170 (OP)Guys I think I cracked the code
>>105556575I believe in you anon. Do it.
>>105556575what do you need a disc enclosure with fiber channel for anyway
>>105550181>laser disc collectionThe one or two anons with laser disc collections largely stopped posting them, especially after LTT did a laser disc comparison video showing just how good (and bad) LD as a format is.
>>105555130the point is a server isnt replacing your desktop you contrarian retard
Maybe some of you are interesting in 4chan archive. I just added Text To Speech for 4chan threads to https://github.com/sky-cake/ayase-quart.
Here is a reading
https://voca.ro/16czryMpnexI
of the thread
https://ayasequart.org/g/thread/96520802
in op_and_op_replies mode. DFS, BFS, and OP only modes are available too.
>>105556895Fiber channel? That's mini SAS.
>>105553908This asshole is saying I need RAID version FRYZ
For it to work
>>105547288Damn my ex loves to dress like that but her cups are way smaller.
>>105536507i also use displays to hide shit
we are smart people
>>105547436>is it worth running a jellyfin server when you can pay like 5โฌ/month for plebflix ?
>Optical drives consume just 1.5 to 5 Watts of power during idle, so they add very little to the total power consumption of PC components.
what do they need 1.5W for in idle? they should use 0.01W max
>>105536507i simply embrace the blinking
the blinking is with me and im one with the blinking
>>105536507i used to have my raspberry pi right next to the router, and used the router's USB port to power it
It was only used for pi-hole because it was too underpowered to do much of anything else
>>105553934It's weird enough that sometimes I have to patch software to make it compile. Same for any other ARM machine. I'm sure RISCV is more exciting though.
what is some comfy homepage i can host where I can have links to my cool tools i also host?
I have organizrr but not a fan of the sidebar.
>>105554532>Quite envious apart from the power cost to run.If I wasn't lucky enough to have a house with solar I probably wouldn't be running this stuff. The idle draw isn't even that bad all things considered but the possible peak draw is something else.
>is it something like a daisychained DAS or something different?Two are Ryzen 5950X (completely overkill I know but I got them cheap on clearance from a local vendor) with ASUS X570 workstation boards because they have something like IPMI and more importantly x8x8x8 PCIe lane config for SATA/SAS controllers and network cards, two are 24C 7003 EPYCs simultaneously hosting a bunch of VMs. They are just hooked up to a Cisco switch via 10G SFP+ NICs. When I finally upgrade the pools I will probably add some SSDs and 40G NICs but they're all essentially independent pools serving different stuff.
>What do you use them for? Gaming? AI?AI, I got into ML ~15 years ago. Then I got really lucky during covid and managed to grab a few dual port 100G Mellanox NICs due to a vendors fuck up that are now interconnecting the GPU nodes and I'll definitely add a 1/2U NVMe storage server at some point dedicated to just the GPU servers. But U.2/U.3 SSDs are a bit expensive even to me so I'll wait until I get something refurbished or from a business closure most likely, most stuff (network gear and HDDs excluded) is refurbished or used still expensive but nowhere near what I'd have to pay for everything new.
>Which library are you using?A refurbished HPE MSL3040 with a 40 tapes max LTO-9 drive. As I said when you pass 100-200TB storage it becomes inevitable. Expensive even refurbished but my tech degeneracy is fuelled by crypto gambling degeneracy kek
>Anything of note?Not really just the usual, a bunch of databases, jellyfin, lanraragi, obviously local DNS due to opnsense, one or two webservers, a bunch of home automation stuff but nothing I'd say is really out of the ordinary. The more exotic stuff I covered above.
>>105553095try taping up the 3V pin or using a molex to sata adapter.
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>>105559112Homarr, it has a ton of integrations and is pretty customiseable
>>105559112>>105559404>organizrr>homarrdo all these retarded names not make you guys less inclined to fuck around with all this shit
>>105559432I frankly couldn't give a shit what they're called but the fact they're similarly named makes them easier to remember.
>>105559432>>105559404>>105559112why do you need any of this shit
i just have static html page with hyperlinks to everything
although i only need to use them once a month and just type in the url manually
>>105559499>i just have static html page with hyperlinks to everything>although i only need to use them once a month and just type in the url manuallyanswered yourself + you actually have static page with hyperlinks so literally a homepage
>>105559499I just use it as my "new tab" page.
>>105559352I am insanely jealous of your MSL3040. We're about to retire 3 MSL4048s at work with LTO-6 and LTO-7 which I have been eyeing up for a while. Work has just bought a TS4300 with 4 LTO-9 drives which I have dibs on when it retires in like 5 years time.
We're putting 200TB+ to tape each week so it gets fair use.
>>105559365I've tried taping 1 and 2pins but doesn't even spin up. It is still in warranty so I could send it to WD. But I am afraid that it is working and it is my fault that I am doing something wrong
>>105559744>I've tried taping 1 and 2pinsyou need to tape the 3rd pin (can do all of the first 3), retardo
>doesn't even spin upthat's exactly what's supposed to happen if the drive gets voltage on that pin
thoughts on a TL-SG108E switch? i dont need tons of networking, but i want to have something to play with and prevent running multiple cables into my room.
>>105559985Probably good enough for what you need it for and its managed. Do you think you'll ever need POE? If you do it may be worth getting one with POE.
>>105560005probably not. the only thing i have id bother doing poe with is a raspi, but im not gonna buy a hat for that. $25 is cheap, so i figure its worth getting into it and just buying something better if i need it.
>>105559537Having a tape library vs just a drive is such a big qol improvement.
>We're putting 200TB+ to tape each week so it gets fair use.Well damn can't say I'm anywhere near that level of throughput. All pools combined are ~280TB of actual data so I got enough space for two full copies. Pretty damn nice.
>>105541219Based Dugtrio enjoyer
>>105559783Yeah I meant leaving 1 clear and putting tape over the next 2 pins, tried only the 3 but is doesn't do anything either way
>>105559985last thread had discussion on tp-link "easy smart" switches
although consensus was to buy a 24 port enterprise switch with poe instead
they're cheap, they work and the small set of managed features they have is realistically all most people will ever use
>>105561545As the anon fucking about last thread, I'm currently trying to snipe a ICX 7150-C12P on ebay because I can't fit a full sized rack one anywhere. Can be a good compromise for
>>105559985 if you don't want a huge one.
But if you can fit them, 24-port full rack size switches are probably the best value for money, or equivalently similar 48-port ones with the main issue being idle power consumtion if you don't need them.
>>105548639anon nooooooooo
PLEASE get thinclients instead. DON'T TORTURE YOURSELF.
>>105551962you can switch to it like immediatly. If you have some ssh server on your server you are golden. sshfs runs on the client only and uses ssh for file transfer. Meaning if you have some encryption and keys you use it will use them too.
>>105562149He might be a masochist who knows.
>>105551961THIS
the fucking wintoddlers can't leave that era it seems. like poltards stuck in 2015.
>>105562222Checked. Yeah that all makes sense, I'll get this fired up shortly. If nothing else it'll be nice to have options.
>>105547232I don't get it
>>105562526>>105562561Its nice. It solves 99% of all issues that SFTP has by mounting a remote directory on the local system. Meaning all applications can read and write to the NAS as if it were normal storage on the local system. With FTP and similar protocols only programs that go out of their way to support it can actually use it. You can imagine it as a compatibility layer between SFTP and your computer. It also has the befit of programs that would do retarded shit like caching the entirety of the NAS (ahem ahem KDE) not doing this as it is again treated as a normal file system.
The 1% of issues is related to programs that expect full file system control and more advanced options not being able to use them i think. I cannot 100% confirm that this whats happening but given that steam has issues locking files and Kdiskmark having similar trouble that this is the case.
This is still a billion times better than FTP or whatever 'cloud' stuff you install like nextcloud.
Literately the only reason you would not prefer it to the alternatives is if your clients OS cannot run it. Otherwise it needs no setup on the server side besides maybe jailing the account you want to use for NAS to a particular folder.
Runs over the same ssh stuff your remote shells use.
>>105562848>The 1% of issues is related to programs that expect full file system controlor any kind of development environment reading and writing at the same time
>>105562848>It solves 99% of all issues that SFTP has by mounting a remote directory on the local systemAre you an idiot?
SSHFS uses SFTP, not to mention the extra encryption overhead.
It's better to use NFS.
>It also has the befit of programs that would do retarded shit like caching the entirety of the NAS (ahem ahem KDE) not doing this as it is again treated as a normal file system. What now?
Also FTP and HTTP are perfectly valid protocols.
>>105559404You use Sonarr for anime? Are there any that are specifically for anime?
>>105562924>Sonarrisn't usenet paid service?
>>105562924I use it exclusively for anime, check out TRaSH-guides for some ready made custom schemes.
The worst part about it is how Sonarr uses TVDB as their metadata source and they insist on using localised names for anime like "A Ninja and an Assassin Under One Roof" instead of "Ninja to Koroshiya no Futarigurashi", for example.
>>105562970You can use it for torrents as well.
>>105562984>A Ninja and an Assassin Under One RoofBASED yuri enjoyer.
>>105562999It's the only thing worth consuming, also >checked.
>>105562884if your development environment is big enough for you to need a NAS you are doing something wrong in the first place.
But anyways feel free to name a better alternative to make your NAS behave with your programs.
Also just tested some non steam vidya and it works so i don't know what you mean by "reading and writing at the same time". Clearly werks for me.
>>105562913>SSHFS uses SFTPWhich is why i told you to imagine it as a compatibility layer.
>extra encryption overheadFor some its good to have encryption for some its bad. Its a price you have to pay but considering it works on every server that has ssh with no configs i think its fine.
>It's better to use NFS.I still have to test it but so far SSHFS just worked. I just wanted to show anon that there are simper solutions than installing nextcloud. Why even have a webui of you can just ssh into your server.
>What now?Some programs like to cache shit that doesn't need to be. When i search for files and their contents in particular it would save them in /tmp and try to crash my system by filing up my RAM when i use bare SFTP. When i do the same on SSHFS it doesn't cache anything which results in faster and more responsive speeds actually, and in my RAM not being raped by it attempting to read files.
Just goes to show how 'native' it seems to the system. Not saying that FTP and HTTP are useless but SSHFS just feels more comfortable to me and improves compatibility immensely in my daily usage.
And again considering how easy its to use and what it brings to the table it might be worth a switch from normal SFTP to it.
im not reading any of your bullshit but i do want to say that sftp/sshfs fucking sucks over even moderately high latency connections (70ms+)
so maybe dont rely on it for use far away from home or on shit wifi/4g
>>105562984These makes me not even feel like doing it. I've got sonar and radar set up.
>>105563030>I still have to test it but so far SSHFS just worked. I just wanted to show anon that there are simper solutions than installing nextcloud. Why even have a webui of you can just ssh into your server.You should, I get double the speed when connected over wifi.
Which should count for something.
>When i search for files and their contents in particular it would save them in /tmp and try to crash my system by filing up my RAM when i use bare SFTPThat's default SFTP and not KDE fault.
SSHFS uses FUSE which is why it's not "caching".
And it shouldn't eat up your ram, at most it should be few MBs at most.
>And again considering how easy its to use and what it brings to the table it might be worth a switch from normal SFTP to it.I'd argue FTP is far easier and more compatible than SSHFS across various platforms.
>>105563088These what? The guides?
I'll assure you it's just following some steps, should take you like 10 minutes max if you already got Sonarr all setup, the only important part is this https://trash-guides.info/Sonarr/sonarr-setup-quality-profiles-anime/#anime-cfscoring
>>105562913>It's better to use NFS.unless you got a fully set up kerberos domain, I don't really agree.
defaults of NFS3 are junk.
SMB3 (Samba or Winshit) with NTLMSSP at least has mutual authentication and encryption baked in. sadly NFS4 never got a convenience like this for some reason.
>>105563259>defaults of NFS3 are junk.use 4 then
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>>105563129>You should, I get double the speed when connected over wifi.>Which should count for something.Yeah the speed difference is undeniable. But most stuff my server is served not as a NAS but in a different way. I need to read files quite often but i really never noticed any speed difference between it and my local SSD.
>That's default SFTP and not KDE fault.Again its to show that even it will treat it as a local drive. Dolphin can absolutely do networking but it causes issues for me and with it being mounted its all fixed.
>SSHFS uses FUSE which is why it's not "caching".>And it shouldn't eat up your ram, at most it should be few MBs at most.It is quite literately saving all files it reads through in /tmp when you search through contents. This is unacceptable for me and while i was searching for ways to have it mounted SSHFS is the first one that popped up and it just works.
>I'd argue FTP is far easier and more compatible than SSHFS across various platforms.i guess more platforms support FTP but on the ones that do, you are probably using one of them, its no harder than opening a secure shell to your server. You can have it autorun and never notice it doing it.
Not saying that it obsoletes FTP or any other protocol but for me there is no reason to use FTP over it. Well SSHFS uses SFTP as its basis but abstracts it in a way that make my programs work much better.
If i ever decide i want to any high load tasks from my PC to my Server i will check out NFS. I actually did that already but while i was doing it SSHFS came on my radar and i did not see the reason so far to use anything else.
>>105563129>I'd argue FTP is far easier and more compatibleeh..... it's 2025, any software that says "FTP" is either webshit or literally sftp
>>105563272ok. now you have to have a fully set up and trusted domain, users need to know to kinit or configure their pam stack to do it for them or they're using windows and it's all for naught.
hell some software still can't use kernel keyring for credential cache.
>>105563273>i guess more platforms support FTP but on the ones that do, you are probably using one of them, its no harder than opening a secure shell to your server. You can have it autorun and never notice it doing it.I mean SSHFS and not FTP. SSHFS is as easy as SSH while FTP is the one with more compatibility.
>>105541361>alias docker=just install podman-docker
>>105547210I have no problem with a rolling release on my workstation, I nuke it at least twice a month anyway.
I have a big problem with being a beta-tester for software on my servers though.
I want reliability, uptime, no shenanigans. Which is why I use Ubuntu (on my servers)
>>105551535>you wintoddlersi use linux too you know....
friendly fire bro.
>>105563708>podman-dockerI swear everyone on /hsg/ is an idiot
That's still podman.
>>105563732>I nuke it at least twice a month anyway.why?
hear me out
a NUC usually about 4 USBs
buy 4 USB-Gigabit LAN adapters
now you have a gigabit router that you can install opnsense or whatever on
you just have a really powerful and cheap router
>>105559404tried it and it looks nice but this shit eats more resources than homeassistant even if it is idle lmao
>>105563832I like to experiment
>>105559404>Homarr>arrstackcall me old fashioned but I just like a torrent client hooked up via vpn. I don't need this level of automation.
>>105553612Tailscale is a company (cloudjew) that manages your wireguard keys for you.
FYI - if you have an unusual domain on your email that they don't recognize as a shared email host, anyone else on that email provider can join your tailnet. Their "solution" was to turn ON approvals for new tailnets, and "eventually" mark all email providers as shared/not shared while they work on proper auth
cheapest option for a windows vps?
>>105564265why on earth would you install windows on a vps?
https://github.com/himmelblau-idm/himmelblau
im gonna try this out. samba added support for it 3 months ago, but apparently it will allow windows clients to connect to samba4 shares using just Entra ID (formerly Azure AD).
if you hear back from me, it will be with great triumph. if you dont, it means i finally committed suicide after failing to get sane network shares on windows, and i will be at peace at last.
goodbye friends. dont let your hobbies kill you.
>>105564322>sane network shares on windows
>references the single instance in a r*ddit thread the admins indicated their solution in
>doesn't self-sign his nodes
>doesn't self-sign his users
>doesn't have access rules already set to invalidate this threat model
>doesn't have 2FA enabled
This is the same exact response to the same exact post, minus the r*ddit link, 5 threads ago. Gotta work a little harder for your (You) friend.
>>105547191>i much prefer linux containers (lxc) to application containers (docker/podman)That's because you're a man of fine taste
>>105563272He literally said why NFS4 is not an option in the post you quoted
>>105561848if you dont need 10g uplinks then you should just get a 3560cx
>>105563872ah yes, famously reliable usb ethernet adapters
have you people never heard of switches
>>105563872there is no driver support for shit like that you moron
>>105564750Why buy a switch when I can make my own
>>105565088Just let it do the routing over WIFI.
DIY switch with no extra cost besides the NUC itself.
>>105565088because a switch is cheaper, faster and more reliable
and your diy solution is neither novel nor interesting
>>105564986retard kill yourself
>>105565182>because a switch is cheaper, faster and more reliable and your diy solution is neither novel nor interestingI didn't make it clear. I was being facetious. Making your own switch is retarded.
>>105565242sorry i have autism
>>105565182look up issues with ure and axge with asix and realtek if you dont believe me. there's a specific workaround page about usb based NICs flapping on freebsd based systems you'd probably not be capable of understanding. that's before we even talk about drivers breaking tagging under vlan(4) issues, being shit at balancing interrupts, MTU sizing issues, hotplug issues, and name persistence.
you should probably stick to windows because networking tends to filter people like you.
>>105565277yeah and not the good kind
>>105565371>>105565088>>105563872>chatgpt pajeet is backgood morning sir
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>>105565371i think i read a bit more into the "or anything" part
realtek driver issues are fixable (sometimes)
usb inherent issues arent
>you'd probably not be capable of understanding>you should probably stick to windows>networking tends to filter people like youyou are not special. kill yourself
>>105565484don't let the voices win
>>105565484>oh fuck he knows what he's talking about uhhh it's chatgpt pajeeti know because i had the parts on hand and wanted to fuck around with it on pfsense with frrouting package installed. planned on hairpinning vxlan evpn segments through it. ran into literally all of those issues in the process and had to research it. vxlan requires upsizing frames, my realtek usbs flapped until i did the trick to stop it. then, they started resequencing themselves on boot. the drivers fucking suck, usb based NICs are not to be used for anything beyond stupid end user connections and even still it sucks balls.
you're using this chatgpt pajeet shit as a crutch to absolve yourself of stupidity. faggot boy who cried wolf shit.
>>105565605He accused me of the same shit last week, he's just an insecure retard.
>being an insecure retard
>not just being a secure retard
Couldn't be me! Poor bastard.
>>105565613>everyone who disagrees with me is a pajeet.
>>105565605>you're using this chatgpt pajeet shit as a crutch to absolve yourself of stupiditynigger its some random schizo
>>105564676Hmm. They seem to be quite a bit more expensive here (UK, looking at ebay). I don't really need the 10G but it might be a nice to have - what if I decide to build a NAS one day. I can see there's a 12PD-S model with the same 10G uplinks too, but there's very few listings for either model and the 1G one doesn't even seem to be that much cheaper.
The PoE budget is impressive but ruckus's 124W should actually be fine for my needs. If I could get the 12PD model for 10G AND double the PoE for less than triple the price of the ruckus, I would, but that doesn't seem to be possible here. I could literally get two ruckuses for less than that, for a 250W power budget, and 24 ports including four 10G ones.
Hey guys, for a long time I've been wanting to learn how to create/manage SQL databases and I was wanting some advice. I run a Proxmox server with TrueNAS Core internally installed with the hard drives passed through. For pretty much everything I use that requires external storage (i.e Jellyfin, Qbittorrent), I went the route of making independent datasets, then created NFS shares afterwards. This method for mass media has been mostly perfect, but I've been told NFS is frowned upon for SQL databases out of it's issues with file locking, which makes sense I've had this issue inside Jellyfin in the past.
If that's the case, what do you think is the most efficient way of hosting a SQL database with Proxmox and TrueNAS Core being passed through? All of the ideas I have in mind seem to have their own issues. My other ideas included making an iscsi share inside trueNAS, but that makes me worry about scalability since from what I understand you have to manually specify the drives and partition space. The next idea was to just install sql directly from the TrueNAS plugins section, but apparently that is extremely outdated and not recommended.
I feel like this issue has been giving me trivial results online out of the plentiful ways of doing this, so I figured I might as well ask. It seems like a common issue and I'm not looking up the correct terms.
In TrueNAS, what kind of performance difference would there be between the two setups?
A) 3x12TB RAIDZ1
B) 2x24TB Mirror
Would the mirror likely outperform the Z1 due to no parity shit or would the drive quantity with 3 drives make up for it? Mainly for media storage and single user access, IOPS not really crucial.
>>105566140the deltas between the feature sets on the two switches is enormous. cisco switch has a lot of learning factor so it'd increase your skillset significantly more. american ebay has those switches for $200 usd which is very doable, but checking bongbay i see it for 521 pounds which is fucking retarded. but for some reason you guys have some crazy ass deals on ISR1k series devices compared to us.
>>105566477My main usecase for it is relatively simple home network stuff, I could do with a tplink easysmart switch even but hey if I get an L3 switch I'll be able to do inter-vlan routing directly in it. That's about all I need.
Learning is cool, I doubt I'd ever use any of these skills but it's still cool. What can the cisco do that the ruckus can't? They're both enterprise L3 switches, surely it can't be that bad?
>american ebayYeah, issue is they're still heavy and transatlantic shipping sucks fucking balls. It's all air mail and I'd pay another like $150 or so just for postage.
There is one auction that's at ยฃ150 currently but it's already got 2 bidders and two days left, so I'm not optimistic. (Meanwhile the ruckus has an auction at ยฃ100 with zero bidders so far, and I was planning on snagging it by friday.) I can certainly afford even ยฃ200 if need be, but at that point it's just hard to justify compared to just spending ยฃ50 on a tplink with the most basic L2 shit I need and being done with it.
>isr1k devicesI honestly have no idea about the enterprise market except what I've been able to see in the past few days, if you have any recommendations which seem to have reasonable prices in bongland I'm all ears.
>>105566547you want small form factor low power utilization with PoE out?
the cisco switch can support BGP and layer 3 dynamic routing protocols and you can do VRFs/VRF lite. it also does advanced layer 2 shit like private vlans, better forwarding rate, etc. rukus is "layer 3 lite" and doesnt do much without a license installed from my research. i think you cant even enable OSPF unless you physically install a license on the device. you'd have a managed VLANing device tops without it. cisco compact switch needs no license for advanced features.
>>105566630The cisco datasheet says
>IP Base (IP Services with RTU License)>he 3560-CX switches can be upgraded to use the IP Services version of IOS Software with a Right-To-Use (RTU) License. The IP Base and IP Services feature set on Cisco Catalyst 3560-CX switches provides baseline enterprise services in addition to all LAN Base features. They support Layer 3 networking features, including support for routed access, Cisco TrustSec, Media Access Control security (MACsec), and other advanced network services. The IP Services feature set provides full Layer 3 routing capabilities with Open Shortest Path First (OSPF), Border Gateway Protocol (BGP), Enhanced Internal Gateway Routing Protocol (EIGRP), Policy-Based Routing (PBR), Multicast Routing, and Virtual Routing and Forwarding (VRF) Lite.The ruckus apparently also a pirate license you can easily install in the forum thread that was linked last thread: https://fohdeesha.com/docs/7xxx.html
Do you know of anything similar for the cisco? BGP and VRF and stuff seem locked behind the license.
That said the ruckus doesn't actually support BGP or VRF, you're right. Some of them do but apparently not the 7150 series for some reason. OSPF is definitely there (with the freely unlockable license).
But in what contexts would a home lab even need BGP? Or VRF for that matter. Maybe a retarded question, but can you even use BGP when you only have one switch?
my former roommate had a rack of pis lol
>>105566472practically identical
>>105566472if the price is the same I would go with bigger drives
you can always buy more drives, you can't always fit more drives in your chassis
>>105566737you just input two commands and everything is enabled, no license install or pirating needed. doesn't even complain at you.
i use BGP on a single router at my parents house to hard isolate network segments. the point is to host a presence there without letting my dadโs IoT landfill touch anything. not just ACLs, but full routing separation. no path exists between segments.
i also use a DMZ VRF with PBR to steer traffic in and out of a cloud relay VPS i have. i have probably the safest public service exposure a homelab can have because of it. if any of my public services get compromised there is NO lateral movement that can take place. complete dead end.
i will say that after my large redesign and segmentation experiment that if you have a properly segmented underlay in your homelab you can do large scale experiments without adversely affecting the entire environment.
>>105566869>you just input two commands and everything is enabledOh neat, similar to the ruckus then.
>segmentationThat all sounds very fun. I haven't really considered it but it might be worth having the option just to play around.
But then again it feels weird to go for a super capable routing switch without it even having any >1G ports.
Well anyway most of this is moot because it still costs triple the ruckus, but at least I see the benefits.
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>trying to get my house wired up, two story double brick townhouse with a single common wall to an identical house next to me
>roof cavity is huge, can stand up
>voids in walls to run cables
>need 10+ ethernet drops all leading to a central closet, plus the landline moved plus some other little bits
>data cablers don't seem to wan to do it
is data cabling a huge pain in the ass or something? I can undertsnad a small job not being worth their time but this is a ton of cables so I feel it will cost a penny, no idea exactly what yet though. If the house had pre cast concrete walls or something I could understand but fucking hell. these people are electricians with specific data cabling licenses which you must have to do this, they run their businesses on data cabling. I could probably get some random electrician to do it but they won't know anything about ethernet and put too many sharp turns in or whatever idk. fuck this I'm so goddam sick of having a rats nest of cables and my server in the fucking kitchen.
>>105567412Depending on where you live you might have better luck searching for a home automation company. Smaller scale and all that. Think Residential vs Commercial.
>got a dell 3040 i3-6100 from a friend
How well can this run as a server?
>>105566857Okay
>>105566867Yeah this is good advice, however 3x12TB is a bit cheaper.
I might still go 24TBs because as you say not fitting more is a problem for future me and I already have some 24TBs outside of the NAS that might some day wind up being put into it once I shuffle enough data around to free them up.
>>105567559i just buy big drives in pairs when i buy drives
you can always mirror the two together and add to any existing stripe, (raid 1+0)
>>105546034>2025>nextcloud
Retard here. What are my options/things I should look into if I wanted to give a real crack at a 3 node cluster of some kind? Not just 3 devices I'm syncing files to but having services on some sort of fail-over mechanism where if one of the machines dies, the service keeps running? I know bash and debian/ubuntu.
Sorry if this seems like a basic question but I have no idea where to start.
>>105568325proxmox/ceph clustering
I want to make a NAS or home lab and have at least 6 drives. What kind of case is for me. Also could I use my old B450+Ryzen 3600 or would that make it slower? I donโt know shit about what makes a good NAS
>>105568325>proxmox cluster managerokay this is kinda tight, so I can have failover for VMs, that makes complete sense
>ceph clusterOh shit I had no idea canonical had something like this going on, so these are daemons I can get running on a number of ubuntu machines that I can then install services on? If so then that's amazing and what I'll probably start with.
>>105568415>kubernetesI'm going to need to spend a lot more time researching this, but it looks interesting. Thanks for the advice.
>>105568441Your 3600 would work fine. Though because it's not an apu you're going to have to use another gpu to set up the system, which can cause issues with network interfaces renaming themselves when you remove it. If you have the space and uxpec you will expand your drives in the future I would get a fractal d7. It's a high quality case and is just a black box so it can get pushed into a corner, or under a desk nicely. You can even get versions with a solid side pannel. The important part is that it supports 10 hdd's nicely in the back, so you can do 3 wide raidz1 vdevs with your current 6 drives, then have space to add one more vdev, plus a hot spare. I would use proxmox, even if you aren't intending to have a bunch of services. The web interface is nice and acts as a pseudo ipmi for the system you run as a vm. You could do truenas, but it's not as versitile, and you can always just run truenas under proxmox.
>>105568441Seconding the Fractal Design 7. It's an absolute banger.
>>105568548Ceph is supported natively in proxmox. Even has a webui.
https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Deploy_Hyper-Converged_Ceph_Cluster#_footnote_4
https://docs.ceph.com/en/quincy/start/beginners-guide/
>>105568593Oh. So you effectively have the choice between ceph clusters on proxmox, ceph clusters on ubuntu, cluster manager on proxmox, and kubernetes? Four choices here? Again I know very little about virtualization and clustering.
>>105568622Oh okay so the proxmox cluster manager without ceph is based on something completely different called corosync. I see the differences now.
So is ceph on ubuntu as simple as setting up anything else in bash?
>>105561848>>105561545i had some money in amazon gift cards so grabbing something used wasnt a realistic option. i have a max of 4 devices (including my laptop but eh thats always on wifi) that will ever be on this thing so anything more than this is overkill atm and i dont plan on buying any waps (but i might).
maybe in the future if i actually care about selfhosting i might upgrade. but i doubt thats something id do now. this is cheap and gets me in enough to see if i care about it.
>>105547210>bleeding edge rolling releaseI prefer the term "rolling stable", otherwise you get retards like this
>>105563732>being a beta-tester for software
>>105567412An electrician can do that easily, just remind them that the network cables need to run full length and they can't cut and extend at will like they do with electrical cables. My dad did all the electrical and network wiring for my place and he didn't calculate the initial length well enough for all the corners and turns so there were some unconventional parts where I had to put some 3 inch cat 6 cable between two ports to bridge them. Not very sightly but it works.
>>105570090They need to be specifically licensed for data cabling. Beyond that I wouldn't trust any random sparky with data cabling. They can do too many things to fuck it up. Over tensioning the cable, exceeding the bend radius, putting it too close to sources of interference etc. Given the cost of running cables I want the full value of a wired connection, not a degraded one.
Why is Coreboot support severely behind in terms of hardware support?
How much funding do they require in order to port it to newer systems?
>>105565605>>105565613>that 1 minute between replieslol at least dont make it obvious
I'm using a Surface pro 7 laptop I had with an external usb HDD as a home server and in terms of performance it satisfies my every need want and desire.
That being said I would have liked to have more storage, maybe with some redundancy.
Is there any practical way to make several-disks-with-some-level-of-redundancy work through a single USB port?
Or at least "good enough" to the point where it would justify not buying new shit beyond the disks themselves.
>>105571268You could do, second external usb hdd.
>>105570396Vast majority of FOSS developers aren't experts in low level x86 firmware development.
Majority of that work happens at AMI, Phoenix, etc in coordination with the hardware vendors.
The BIOS in x86 devices control ALOT of shit and is exceedingly complex compared to the average ARM device where the kernel is expected to do most of the work defining what a device is.
>>105569232makes sense
they're not bad switches, like i said, they have all the "advanced" features most people will use
plus if you decide its shit you can just send it back cause amazon
>>105571299This is understandable, but can't we all create a fund for the handful of devs who are actually capable?
Obviously it's not possible to support every single device out there, but atleast 1 MiniPC per generation.
Someone's already done this for 10th gen i7: https://puri.sm/products/librem-mini/ but these are twice as expensive as the normie-edition of MiniPCs in the market.
The Coreboot developers themselves are available for consultations, so perhaps it's not unreasonable to think that with the right device, we can sponsor a developer to do the required work to do the porting.
>>105570288just get them to cut in chases if you aren't confident doing it yourself
any random sparky can manage that while keeping them away from normal mains wiring
then do the rest yourself
unfortunately cutting chases is worst part of electrical work so they might refuse
>>105570396>corebootmost people aren't paranoid enough to want such a thing.
>>105566869Do you have any tips on where I could read up on how to set something up like that? The DMZ especially. I know at a basic level how BGP and VRF works but I have no idea how to actually administrate them properly and it seems daunting to learn from scratch.
>>105566737>ruckus doesn't actually support BGP or VRF, you're rightif you're just after a single switch for your homelab, you don't need those features.
>>105571463Realistically what I NEED is a $20 tp-link EasySmart(tm) switch and a $30 tp-link PoE with like 50W of power
But I have autism so now I'm thinking what if I want to set up a "serious" home network just for fun? Which is making me want to buy a future-proof switch that will support everything I could ever want to play around with and learn
>>105571545mikrotik switches are pretty good, not locked down at all like newer ciscos. Ruckus switches are good but loud, you can unlock them for free, enabling all the features (like 10G) with an 'honesty' licence.
>>105571655>good but loudAnon I'm buying a fanless compact switch, because I can't fit a rack sized one anywhere.
>mikrotikI'm open to all recommendations because this is my first time even looking at the enterprise switch market. My bare minimum needs are 10-12 gigabit ports and decent PoE budget, and on top of that as a bonus featureful layer3 management for fun and learning, and a couple of multi-gigabit ports would be nice to have. And available in the UK for non-exorbitant prices. Any specific model recs?
who here has a network complex enough to warrant vrf or bgp
>>105571679>PoE ah, I don't think you'll find a Mikrotik with PoE for your budget. I think the Ruckus switches have PoE+ though. You can get them for ยฃ100 on ebay.
>>105571770Yeah the ruckus is what I'm looking at, though they don't come up too often looking at sold listings so I might get sniped. But I may also get greedy and try to get the cisco for like ยฃ150-ish, or for ยฃ180 from china. I don't know if I'm being retarded and overspending too much at that point though.
>>105571807here's one for ยฃ60 (+post)
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205542231558
>>105571837>rack sizeanon pls I'm only buying those 12 port compact ones
stop teasing me with this shit that I'd have nowhere to put, I know it's so much cheaper but it'd be horrendous trying to have that shoved somewhere in my house with reasonable network connection to my other devices
>>105571857Don't think you can get a none rack mount Brocade.
Maybe go for a Ubiquiti then?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/13598342970
>>105571874>Don't think you can get a none rack mount Brocade.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/146630783249
>>105571884cool, go for that then
seems a lot more expensive than the 6450 though.
Any tips for my current situation? Looking to set up a super tiny 24/7 NAS for me and my band to upload files to. We probably don't even need 500GB and I'm looking for as cheap as possible with a low chance of shitting the bed
I'm considering maybe a mini PC with a USB raid array if not just a regular 2 drive bay. I was originally gonna see about an rpi but supposedly they're not great for the job
This is mostly just an interim solution (<1yr) until I can find a good price for used enterprise equipment. Speaking of, is labgopger dead or is it just my phone?
>>105571920I've been running a mini PC with external SSD enclosures for 5 years now without a problem, wouldn't recommend USB raid tho.
>is labgopger deadWorking fine here
what's your router temps?
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>>105571954Oh sick, any recs for companies?
After some more googling I might swing for a dell optiplex micro but not sure what to look for in an SSD enclosure
>Working fine betterI probably just don't know how to use it then lol, loads but says last updated like 11k minutes ago
>>105572189How do I find shallow (50 cm give or take) rack mount chassis for a regular PC? My method so far is too google it, find a model, check ebay and Amazon and then realize they're not available. Just want to migrate some stuff to a rack, including a GPU. Preferably shorter than 4U but it's not a requirement.
>>105572216labgopher is broken for me too, exactly the same
>>105572189>>105572241Oops, didn't mean to reply.
>>105572216> last updated like 11k minutes agoOh yeah, I just tried opening it and it loaded, didn't actually check it, my bad.
>any recs for companiesYou can get some used thinclients like the Dell one you mentioned or the HP and Lenovo (my preferred option, I have a M910q) or you can get some actual mini PCs with a N100 or N150, mine is a beelink Mini S.
For the enclosure baseus, ugreen and orico are my go-tos.
>>105572216 (me)
Oops typo lmao, not that it really matters
*Working fine here
>>105572245Interesting. I wonder what's up with it
>>105572241https://duckduckgo.com/?q=3u+atx+rackmount+short+depth
works for me, dozen results
none look great but thats whitebox rackmount chassis for you
you could try a supermicro chassis, most of those are compatible with atx. no idea what model would be short depth and 3u though.
I gotta refresh the thread more often fml
>>105572262>my badYeah no prob I didn't actually explain the issue so mb too
>used thinclientsI'll check out Lenovo and beelink too tyty
>baseus, ...Very much appreciated thx!
>>105571061usually it's 61 seconds, it's VERY hard to get it exactly 60 seconds even with an auto-post setup and ready to go.
>>105572341>>105572330And as you can see, exactly 61 seconds, not 60.
Anyone know what the usual standby power is for Intel DC 2.5" SSDs? I have a 24 HDD array that I'm looking to get rid of only because it uses a lot of power just idling all of those drives and as such makes a ton of heat and truenas has no actually functional way to standby drives so I was thinking of switching to SSDs to help mitigate this.
>>105572294 (me again)
https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-me-mini-n150
Not sure if gimmick but huh, that looks kinda neat
>>105572387IMO that's expensive for an N150. For 1/3rd more (about $300) you can get a proper 8-core, 16-thread ryzen 5000 one. Even with 32GB RAM for like $20 extra.
I looked into budget tiny boxes for a while and honestly these N150 boxes are like maybe twice as powerful as a raspberri pi while being 3-4 times as expensive. And again it's about half as powerful at single core and gets absolutely destroyed at multicore than the AMD option. They only make sense for very specific usecases where you NEED more than a pi but CANNOT afford more than $200, and even then a used thin client is probably going to be better in most cases imho.
I recently got this one myself by the way https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-eqr5?variant=46994723406066. Nice little machine with more than enough cores and memory to do most miscellaneous home server tasks, only really limited by storage so you can't use it as a proper NAS box. Though if you know you only need something super weak then it's definitely overkill.
>>105572419Nice, that's exactly what I want to hear
>>105572430Honestly really great counter-rec
I didn't do my due diligence while browsing by featured so I saw all the hella expensive ones first. Even if it's kinda overkill it would be kinda odd for me to get the tiny NAS box when I plan on setting up a proper one later this or next year, I'll at least be able to use this one for other stuff once that happens
If I were to pick this up, would it be fine to use the second storage slot for NAS or would I wanna plug something like this ugreen enclosure into the front usb c port?
https://www.amazon.com/UGREEN-Enclosure-Tool-Free-Thunderbolt-Compatible/dp/B09T97Z7DM
>>105572284Problem is I live in Sweden, so anything outside of the EU gets pricey immediately.
>>105572526>would it be fine to use the second storage slot for NASSure, no reason not to.
Original anon here and I personally feel like that is really overkill, but at the same time if you plan on building something proper later on down the line then at least that Beelink will still be useful as an actual computer unlike one of the N100 ones.
It's up to you I guess.
>>105572526If you're the anon looking for a budget fileserver who doesn't need more than 500GB, then I'd say get 2x 1TB SSDs, and use btrfs raid1 mirror on them. Fags will screech that it's not a real backup but it'll give you enough safety for most things except manually doing rm -rf, so don't do that, BUT you can also learn to use btrfs snapshots which should help even against that.
At your storage sizes getting USB HDDs is probably not worth it.
Or if you want to go cheaper, you can definitely use USB HDDs but at that point you might as well plug them into a pi. It's going to be a super nigger rigged fileserver but it'll work. If you really don't need more now and are planning to replace it with a proper build later anyway, then might as well go for the cheap-ass option for now.
>>105564322>20 hours agoHe's dead isn't he?
>>105572553its gonna take longer than 20 hours for me to have a chance of figuring out all these undocumented smb.conf options. give it til Monday.
>>105572349>see, i intentionally skipped 1 second, your argument is invalidokay.
>>105572548Makes sense and yeah I def can't deny it is. I'll def keep shopping around for a bit just in case I find something dick cheap
Tyty
>>105572551That makes sense, I think. I mean I get the gist of it but where are you recommending I put the SSDs? In the linked one or in a different one?
>>105572595 (me)
>>105572551*In the linked pc
Soz at work rn and typing shit with half a brain
>>105572595The SSDs would be for a beelink or similar mini-pc that has two M.2 slots. The ryzen one definitely does, I think the N150 one might have them too.
>>105572595nta but the nvme will probably be bottlenecked by the network anyways so just put it wherever.
RAID isn't recommended on USB and if you're gonna put it inside the beelink you'll probably be using one of the slots for the OS, so no RAID there either, unless you're running the OS from a thumbdrive I guess.
>>105572612Gotcha gotcha ty for the clarification
If the n150 one you mentioned is the little box I linked earlier that guy has 6 slots
>>105572631Oh good note
I dunno how well RAID would be supported on a boot drive. Maybe I could set up some sort of disk partition though?
>>105572594Lmao do it yourself retard, go ahead and get it exactly 60 seconds between two posts.
>>105572543probably end up with ancient inter-tech then
maybe chenbro if you can find them anywhere in stock
amazon is useless for it though
https://www.dustinhome.se/group/hardware/server-storage/server-in-parts/enclosure
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>>105572139optimal. RB2011. Bought 11 years ago.