Why doesn't Australia have a good software or tech industry? I don't understand why it's so hard for Australia to have a thriving manufacturing industry? Australia's population is smaller than Texas's population and with roughly the same land size as the USA

Half the "issue" is high wages and the other half is low domestic consumption.

>>105556808 (OP)
> spamming chinkbot is obsessed
>>105557044
> literally same fagging
ching chong bing bong

>>105556808 (OP)
Because there is no courses or teachers here that educate in IT fields. The least you'll be tought is 0's and 1's bullshit (thats actually how they think programming works) and wiring your own ethernet cable and thags about it. You end up going back to labor work and spending your entire life paying taxes and getting gaslighted by the tv. Nothing happening in Australia just soulless crap.

hijacking this thread

what's a non gay career in aus now that ai and poojeets are killing IT

>>105556808 (OP)
I will tell you why as a non-jeet who came to work in Australia: many Australians hate to hear this but their culture fucking sucks.
There are a lot of very talented people I've met born and raised in Australia, and they're kept down by an aggressively mediocre senior class who simply look down on any kind of striving for anything intellectual. The country worships housing and tradies. That's it. I have no problem with tradies, but they aggressively denigrate any young Australian who wants to make a living being e.g. a scientist, or make a serious innovation, or anything. This is cultural poison.
They've also got it so good because their country is extremely loaded with mineral riches that they can afford to be profoundly stupid and not face consequences. They will always have a market for their heavy hitting industries because they have an enormous fraction of the world's resources on that continent all to only 25 million people. They control 25% of the world's uranium alone. They even wrote a law banning themselves from using their own uranium, lol.
This means that the aggressive, parasitic boomers can make such stupid decisions they'd destroy the future of almost any other country, and simply demand that the youth take it. They can kill innovation (they have), and people just won't suffer quite enough. Their best young people are often forced out of the country. Somehow that's their only export which can compete with their mining industry. These people had a team invent Wifi, and got almost no Australian support lol. Almost all those researchers left.

>>105556808 (OP)
Our low pop means we dont have enough consoomers or wagies. Neither do we sell off our natural resources to the benefit of citizens like some Arab states so theres no capital to drive anything.
Its just a giant retirement village for landlords.

>>105556808 (OP)
>Why doesn't Australia have a good software or tech industry?
Australia's challenges stem primarily from its small, isolated domestic market combined with the historical dominance and success of the resource sector, which shaped investment patterns, skills, and economic priorities. High costs, distance, and competition make large-scale traditional manufacturing difficult. For tech, overcoming the brain drain, developing deeper capital markets, and achieving critical mass in the ecosystem remain key hurdles. While progress is being made, replicating the scale of industries in vastly larger or more centrally located economies like the US is structurally very difficult. The path forward lies in specialized, high-value niches that leverage Australia's unique strengths and world-class research capabilities.

Government doesn't give a fuck. Turned off the 2G and 3G while also increasing internet costs and blacklisting unwanted phones from using telco services. Nothing ever improves just gets worse over time.

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>>105556808 (OP)
australia is exactly what you would think it would be, given its history.
aggressively crabs in a bucket, low iq scotts-irish white trash run the roost and our boomers are straight up demonic. if you aim for anything more than a piece of land to sit in a canvas camping chair and pound beers while staring off into the distance until you're retarded at 40 you're cut down at the knee. alternatively, you can move to the city and get on meth and smoke cigarette butts you found in the gutter.
australia would be incredible if it weren't for the people.

>>105559191
>>105559525
Very accurate, and if you say any of this to a large number of Australians they'll switch off, insist there are no problems with the country but if they're forced to admit there are, then they're worse everywhere else, and if they're not then you should just fuck off somewhere else then. Americans at least have the desire to improve the country (even if they don't seem to be achieving it). Australians do not want to do anything.

>>105559971
Because we CANT do anything. It costs $37 for a fucking 2L milk over here.

>>105559976
Exaggeration i get it. I did hear about food prices tripled and even housing almost unaffordable. Makes sense why most australians dont want to do anything is because no motivation likely from living in poverty from living costs now their even going homeless or living in their car.

>>105559971
>>105559525
>>105559191

all true, the australian ethos is "She'll be right mate", boomer owner class robs country blind, everyone else has a beer at the pub, industry here only has one purpose, build overpriced shitbox houses.

t. ausfag

>>105560069
Are you quoting replies to your own comments?

>>105560069
>tfw $15 for a beer at the pub/pokie warehouse

>>105559525
yet apparently half of asia is desperate to move here. curious.

Probably to do with the WMAW propaganda. Australia will be filled with asian and chinese as it already is.

tall poppy syndrome is huge here

>>105559191
Sadly accurate.

>>105560124
Because they go too far in the other direction, everything is hypercompetitive, fast-paced to the extreme, tight and cramped. Like Anon said, everything about this country is great except the people, why wouldn't you want to come here?

>>105560124
>>105560162
watch, his next move will be
>if you don't like it fuck off

>>105560141
I'd prefer what we have then the US egocentric bullshit or the UK Lords and Ladies. Probably a butthurt asian sad because nobody drops to their feet and worships the ground he walks on because he got a high school score of 99.9 and graduated from a Go8 uni and now works a shitty boring corpo desk job.

>>105560207
Eh, as I've said for the last 30 years. Australia is a shitty country but it's still the best country on Earth.

>>105560215
Most of our problems root from having things too good for too long and now we're lazy and complacent rather then any fundamental flaws. Even though things are rapidly getting worse they're still not intolerable for most people so how good's the footy?

fuck this thread its just 1 guy replying to his own comments 'approving' that he hates australia kys nigger

>>105560128
Chinese 100% have a way better industrial mindset than Australians, the Australian boomer is fully to blame for this

>>105556808 (OP)
it's crazy how these threads get so reliably split between people accurately saying Australia has a lot of cultural problems and Australians desperately wanting to deny and deflect
and you can tell a lot of the complaints are definitely written by Australians, they're too accurate not to be
at least other countries accept there's a big problem, Australia is going to just deny it all the way to an early grave

>>105560824
pic but not american.

>>105556808 (OP)
Because the most shilled way to invest in Australia is literally housing. Got $100,000 to spare? Goto the bank and ask for a $800,000 loan, buy a shoebox in some shit area and fill it up with uni students and wagies.
>>105560824
That is changing, since a lot of younger people can't afford houses because of the combination of """skilled"''" migration flooding the country and rich property investors causing horrific amounts of demand.

A recession or a housing crash is the thing the country desperately needs.

>>105560929
except no, because these comments are clearly also being written by Australians, you can tell from the context and the comments, and then you've got some absolute dipshits as always who want to just pretend it's all fine or just deflect to talking about china or whatever when we're absolutely fucked

>>105561048
>you dumb white aussies should give up the last vestages of your backwards egalitarian ocker culture and become soulless wealth and status obsessed insectoids like rich singaporians or ccp chinese
yeah nah mate.

>>105561122
kek exactly my point you stupid faggot, who the fuck is talking about china except you?
bogan culture is PREFERABLE to what you've got now which is boomers absolutely gutting the entire country and destroying all industries except for flogging houses for higher and higher prices, it's fucking disgusting how rapidly this country was destroyed and you want to deflect to fucking china for whatever reason because you can't even accept things aren't actually good

>>105561371
Exact same shit is happening in NZ, Canada, UK and Ireland, most of Europe and parts of the USA too. But yeah blame it all on evil Australian culture, the LNP, Rupert Murdoch, KKKapitalism, Isreal or the boomers if it makes you feel better.

>Ban cool cars
>Ban guns
Australia is irrelevant for the same reason Europe is: they've essentially banned masculinity.

>>105561550
mate what the fuck are you talking about?
The same thing isn't happening in most of Europe, they do have industry. They have actual heavy industry, still. The same thing is happening in Canada, and yes, their culture IS to blame. What the fuck else is?
This is so typical Australia, "other places have problems too so we can't accept any criticism," except only Canada is even comparable to the amount of immigration and cultural rot. There is no fucking value made in Australia. NZ is even worse.
The USA is not. The USA actually does attempt to do something and doesn't strangle its young people. What do you think a young Australian is meant to do for a career? It's tradies, mining, real estate, or random bullshit office jobs. The Americans will bitch about this, but that's not the case for them, or even Europe, where they actually produce something. They like their young people to want to do stuff. Australia doesn't have any of that shit being done.
And whenever people point it out, there's an army of fucking idiots who can't handle facts coming in to cry about it and wanting to change the topic to shit on something else instead of accepting the fact you've basically locked all the young people out of both housing and a job where they can do anything of value, and complaining that some of them might not be happy with aspiring to nothing more than drinking their way into a vegetative state
And who the fuck is even talking about the LNP or Murdoch you absolute redditor?

>>105561795
>The US doesn't strangle its young people
American here. Yes it does. Its a different kind of strangling but you have zero upward mobility here unless you're a nepo baby, gay or brown. Unironically. Its basically illegal to be white and male, has been for a couple decades, so people have the exact same mindset of just pounding back a beer and staring off into the internet until they turn 40.

Its a thing that's happening everywhere, not just Australia. The older cadre of wealth ownership realizes and understands that their biggest competitor is their fellow whites on the come-up trying to get themselves a piece to secure their own futures. The browns and asians aren't really a problem, they're bug people meant for filler positions and not really a threat to anyone other than the lower classes that they're replacing. Same as it ever was.

>>105561581
>I """NEED""" muh emotional support gun
So masculine..

>>105561947
>Surrounded by brownoids and chinks
>Does not want emotional support gun
For what purpose? It had one job and that's the job you need it for, to delete_chink.exe. That's not an issue of masculinity, you are in danger.

>>105561957
>nano-pico-short-sighted-thinking.tiff

>>105561901
No, I know it sounds annoying when you're having problems and people tell you they're not as bad, but they really aren't. I know Americans think it is, but the scale is completely different.
The US does have a vastly, vastly better job market for skilled people, as indicated by questions like in the OP actually being valid for Australia but not for the USA.
For comparison, ask yourself if this example: >>105559191
>These people had a team invent Wifi, and got almost no Australian support lol. Almost all those researchers left.
which is actually true and not the only case of an Australian invention or research being thrown away because Australia simply didn't care, would happen in the USA to this extent.
No, it wouldn't. You have actual industries dedicated to this.
What's more, Australians who go to the USA (I'm one) immediately notice the cultural difference here. Americans are far, far, far more supportive of people trying to succeed. Australians are extremely negative towards it by comparison. These industries and opportunities don't actually exist.
I know it's very irritating to hear someone say you actually do have more upward mobility than you're saying, but you do. It's hard, I'm not disagreeing with that, but Australian engineers, scientists, whatever, will get shown the door. In the USA, it's still going to be brutally competitive for them, but they can actually compete for something. That's the difference.

>>105561795
you whine and complain like a redditor or woman with no sense of perspective.

We're a mid sized country that's located oceans away from our export markets with a high cost of living and not in a convenient supranational economic bloc like the EU or sitting directly north of the world tech superpower that shares a language and culture, what do you expect? It's utterly impossible for us to beat the USA, EU or China at economies of scale. All we can do is find obscure economic niches. Obviously New Zealand has even less high tech manufacturing or tech meme companies then us.

We have a quarter of Japan's GDP while having a fifth of the population. Our export economy is OK. Yeah housing is bad but it's bad in plenty of other places too. Yeah if you can get a practical job in the mines or building houses then go for it instead of hanging out for some STEM meme career.

We aren't ever going to have a glorious people's commie revolution where we seize the houses from the evil boomers so forget about it. Read some Stoicism or something. Housing bubbles never last forever even if we've relied on luck to dodge the last few crashes, the world economy will sure as fuck crash again and soon.

>>105561947
>Want to do something fun
>Can't because fun is illegal
>Move somewhere else
>The only people who stay are women and men who have given up in life
>Wonder why the only people left are the ones whose life's ambition is to become a corporate middle manager

>>105561976
>Pretending chinks are people
>Implying that allowing them to continue to exist isn't short sighted
>Even once

>>105562014
Again, who the fuck is talking about communism except you? Stop bringing up unrelated shit.
You're the one who should get some perspective. Australia DID already have these industries. We used to manufacture trains, for example. They run in Singapore and HK, or at least they used to. This whole argument of "oh, we're poor little babies who can't make anything because we're too small" is completely wrong, because we did do that in the past.
Export is irrelevant, because mining is always in demand when you're a resource colony. The question is whether you aspire to be something more than a white Africa or not. In the case of Australia, the answer is clearly no.
We had multiple opportunities thrown at us and we have repeatedly shit on them. When innovation is done in Australia, which the people are clearly capable of doing, they get no support. That's the problem. There are many examples of this.
The question is why cost of living is high for a small country with enormous riches. "Housing is bad in other places" isn't an excuse. If it's bad, fucking get the job done and fix it. Other countries actually try to fix problems, which is what you're repeatedly not getting because this is the good old Australian way. Singapore just built like mad and fixed the issue. In Scandinavia they use resources for a sovereign wealth fund. In the USA, they have a sense of ambition.
In Australia, we have dipshits like you who insist that people keep their heads down, eyes on the ground, don't ask questions, don't complain about problems, we can't fix them anyway, and when you point out that other countries did fix problems like this, you cry and say oh well go fuck off there then. Your mindset is just absolute cancer.

>>105562099
>retard-missed-the-whole-point.gif
If you get your emotional support gun, they get their emotional support gun and now you are in more danger than before, despite having your emotional support firearm. Plus you are a fat, retarded Westerner facing lean, twinkish, autistic 360 noscoper asians who know martial arts and who by definition have a criminal intent if they're thinking about pulling a gun on you. So, now you lose, but instead of just getting rolled for your iPhone and car keys, you get capped in the head.

>>105562026
>Want to do something fun
>Can't because fun is illegal
>Disregard that because you were given free will and do it anyway

>>105556808 (OP)
unregulated ancapistan + low taxes + better universities + military spending kicked the whole fucking industry off.
really that simple. that was the niche they focused on and won.

>>105562026
how is that any different in the US though?
there is a shitload of things I literally can't do, even with "muh guns."

>>105562108
OK genius how do you practically propose to magically fix the housing crisis overnight without being immediately thrown out of office for gommunism (yes changing taxes like negative gearing is also communism t.boomers), right wing death squads or destroying all parks and green space to replace with endless commieblocks?

There is absolutely zero chance we could produce trains as cheaply as China once they set their minds to it. A new car platform built to global standards costs over $6B just to develop, making sloppy outdated large sedans for American car companies with endless appetite for government money when the global market was moving towards SUVs and small hatchbacks was always going to come unstuck.

>le sovereign wealth fund
would be nice but mandatory superannuation has similar effects and scale.

You want a $300,000 starting salary tech job then move to the USA.You won't find them in Europe or Japan. And the USA is probably the only western country with venture capital insane enough to put $120M into the Juicero meme. Europe typically relies on government grants or funding from existing corporations and Anglos typically relied on taking out loans against residential property which sucks if you don't own any equity.

why bother when there's aliexpress.com

>>105559191
>they can afford to be profoundly stupid and not face consequences.
the root issue

>>105562206
>>105562296
>yuropoors coming out of the woodwork to defend their own oppression
Name three things you can do in Australia or Europe that you can't do in the US. No stupid bullshit that you weren't going to do anyway like feed your children plastic choking hazards or driving explosive chink EVs.

>>105562303
>fix the housing crisis
trick question, if house prices crash you get thrown out of office anyway. Liberal and Labor are just kicking the can further down the road hoping it explodes only while their rival are in power.

Might even end up with fucked banks and Japan style Lost Decade(s)

>>105562477
>Name three things you can do in Australia or Europe
I'm a burger, so I don't know.
I know for a fact I'm cucked as well though.

>>105562477
In australia you can drive somewhere, anywhere, where nobody else is, and do whatever the fuck you want with no exceptions. I'm sure that could be done in many parts of burgerstan as well

>>105562477
In Australia all beaches are crown land and open to the public. Rich people and resorts can't monopolize them or restrict access.

>>105562303
There it is, the "dude we can't fix anything again."
The first sentence sums it all up. First is the wrong implicit premise that the government would even want to do anything. They don't. They're both all in on making you a serf. They don't want to change anything. The most obvious solutions are things like, oh, I don't know, not take 500k Indians a year when Australians can't get affordable housing as it is, implement similar policies as in Victoria where rents are even slightly dropping. You can implement Singaporean style building with a dual market.
The second issue is the other part of the same sentence where you admit that the Australian boomers are themselves the problem. They want this. The Australian boomer is a fucking plague. There are enormous amounts of well educated, smart young Australians who can do better, who don't because the boomers have eviscerated all opportunities for them.
>cheaply as China
You're not talking about cheap. These are vital industries which are now dead. Another lesson not learned from covid when all your supply lines depended on China. Where is the future engineering experience going to come from if you just kill industries because "dude China cheap lmao"? Oh right, the plan is to import them forever and the job market becomes even more fucked.
>super is similar to wealth fund
No. A sovereign wealth fund is a fund which can be directed to the national interest. It's not about the fucking boomer retirement. Also, this isn't a reason to not have both. No other country is so fucking stupid as to have such an enormous wealth of resources and both sell them dirt cheap, and not even try to use the profits lmao.
>You want a $300,000 starting salary tech job then move to the USA
There's that cancerous "you don't like it then leave" we all predicted.
I did leave because this country doesn't give a fuck about anything of value. It isn't about money. It's wanting to do something with your life beyond real estate.

>>105562575
>The second issue is the other part of the same sentence where you admit that the Australian boomers are themselves the problem.
which, by the way, you were initially bitching about because how dare people criticise Stray and you must be a chink, and now you're admitting yes actually the boomers are the nearest thing to child-eating demons we've got and yes they have fucked the country

>>105562603
they're going to make things much worse. as they get older and more miserable they're going to vote and bribe to turn the country into even more of a lifeless monastery. the whole country will be one giant retirement home as they kick and scream their way to hell, dragging us there with them. the next 25 years are going to be utterly fucked.

>>105562575
Whinging without a plausible plan to fix things is just being a whiny little bitch. We're not a chinky dictatorship so politics is the art of what's actually possible with hard effort instead of idealist dreaming. Cry about the evil boomers all you like but they're not going away any time soon. Waiting for a economic crash to happen that will allow basic reform to happen is at least within the realm of possibility. The Australian government abolishing private property ownership or seizing three quarters of property to become public housing, mass deportations or other radical economic changes is not.

>It's not fair I can't get a $300.000 tech job in Ethiopia!
Different countries have different economic strengths and weaknesses. You can bring in tariffs to try and reduce reliance on China, but don't be surprised when businesses corrupt the government so they don't have to compete fairly and can just rip off locals forever.

Yeah if we just suck the cock of enough techbros we'll suddenly manifest ourselves into having streets of gold. you just gotta believe in the STEM maaan.

>>105562703
>ease off the highest immigration levels in history and build more stuff
yeah that sounds way too fucking unclear and impossible
get a grip faggot

>>105562734
Congratulations you crashed the economy mr politician enjoy your party being in opposition for 10 years.

>>105562703
I literally said the obvious things to avoid fucking things even further are reducing immigration and mass building. It's like the most basic common sense shit you can imagine and here's you going "dude we literally can't think of any plans" lol.
And again, drop the $300k shit. Nobody brought that up but you. The question is what Australia actually does. Flipping properties all day long does not make a future. You have the mindset of an actual nigger. All the wealth in the ground and no inclination to use it, and a tantrum when people say you need to change that.

>>105562752
it's going to crash anyway because nothing is being made retard
the economy is nonexistent besides mining, it's just debt and migration, crashing it earlier would be for the best

stupid dumb white trash just need learn superior chinese values and leadership. bow to your masters dumb bogans

>>105562734
OK so who do I vote for that's serious about reducing immigration?

Yeah so there's One Nation, Sustainable Australia party, maybe Clive Palmer if he feels like it and a bunch of minor right wing parties and that's basically it. So basically nobody, both major parties as well as the Greens are in favor of mass immigration.

Yeah real easy mate. Just gotta beat the business and property lobby groups. Easy.

>why can't australia have a tech company as big as apple?
>why can't australia have a defence company as big as lockheed martin?
>why can't australia have a car company as big as toyota?
YOU JUST GOTTA BELIEVE MATE AND STOP DOING THE MINING AND FARMING BRO GOTTA GO ALL IN ON TECH BRO ALL IN GO GO ALL IN TRUST ME ANCIENT CHINESE WISDOM SAYS ALL IN ON TECH IS BEST CHAIRMAN MAO WENT ALL IN ON TECH AND IT WAS GREAT FUN TIME FOR EVERYONE TRUST ME TECHS GREAT BRO

>>105556808 (OP)
>The other state close to Australia in population is Florida
how many famous tech companies are in Florida btw?

>>105562951
are you dense anon, this whole thing started by people blaming the culture, now you're literally saying "we can't fix it because the culture is all supporting this shit" like what point are you even trying to make when you're agreeing with them kek

>>105559235
Thanks chat gpt nigger. Noose yourself.

>>105556808 (OP)
Australia's currency is basically an index of raw minerals market
people don't want to invest there when the price of iron ore introduces currency risk into everything you do

>>105562513
>You can just break the law!
Okay, so why don't you?

>>105562563
That's one thing, and it's a thing you can't do (buy property). Holy fuck you are so cucked that you don't even know what a freedom is.