Debian 13 is 86 bugs away from release. Are you excited?

No

>>105561641 (OP)
I can't install it on my pc for whatever reason so no, I'm not. I actually don't care at all.

will have the new sudo written in rust

>>105561854
...As an available package. We all know Debian won't change defaults for a long time because it would break scripting. I mean shit, they even kept the system V init stuff available and "working" for a long ass time.

>>105561641 (OP)
Using it rn due to 7900XTX, I had no choice back then.
6.12.27 seems stable as of now, previous versions had me locked out of GUI, that is, the main monitor randomly froze while trying to to GPU acceleration for browsing. One may say it's not kernel-related, yet there's one older version that exhibits the same bug-free behavior for me while the newer versions lock up. 6.12.27 seems to be the first in a long time with this bug squashed, 17 days of uptime as of today. Could also be that KDE fixed something on their side.

>excited for os updates
lol, lmao even. It's a fucking tool.

>>105561915
>they even kept
Just recently I installed sysv-init to the latest Raspbian because it has smaller memory footprint.

>>105561641 (OP)
Breddy good:DD:DDD

>>105561641 (OP)
>still defaulting to gnome
NO

>>105562135
Uhm, sweaty, you're supposed to install it with only the SSH agent enabled.

>>105561641 (OP)
Just post one simple non-trivial guide on how to package for debian...please

>>105563674
https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian

>>105563707
>Equivs
>4 years ago
many such cases
you call that wiki, simple guide? do you even know how it compares with guides of popular python/go libs?

>>105561641 (OP)
I didn't even know debian had a mascot. Who the fuck would make a soijack out of this?

yes very. we're getting thumbnails in the filepicker finally! :DD

>>105563794
Would you rather the guide be vague and skip over important steps and considerations?
>4 years ago
The process hasn't changed, a wiki isn't a fucking github repo where there needs to be a new commit every 5 hours to satisfy you or the project is considered dead

Isn't it kind of an indictment on Debian's release model that their users are always chomping at the bit for the new release? If it worked you'd think that most would stay on oldstable until it was moved to LTS.

>>105563820
She's a woman now chud.

>>105565077
Are you people even trying anymore? Anti-reactionary rage bait is supposed to be plausibly sincere.

>>105561641 (OP)
Yes. I'll have to upgrade all my machines. I hope nothing goes wrong.

>>105561939
I tried doing an upgrade to Debian 13 with sysVinit and shit broke.

>>105561641 (OP)
Nah skipping this one. 13 is an unlucky number. I got a 12700f instead of a 13700f for that reason and that worked out pretty well for me.

>>105561915
I learned Linux on Debian and always managed services through the sysv compatibility layer. To this day I don't know the difference.

>>105561641 (OP)
I've been on Testing (on this PC) for 6 months, I'm already on Debian 13.

>>105566423
Have you had any problems? I'm considering going to testing on one of my machines. I was writing a script to identify CVEs in certain packages, but I got lazy. Maybe I'll finish it one of these days. debsecan is pretty useless because it doesn't filter out unimportant bugs.

>>105566651
Nothing that I've noticed outside of a couple of KDE bugs that didn't affect usability, but that's par for the course. YMMV with a different DE or an Nvidia GPU. This machine does double duty as a media server and gaymen machine so nothing that interesting.

>>105563820
Because this can actually derail the thread, Debian does in fact not have a mascot. They had an abortive attempt at one like two decades ago that amounted to nothing. @105565077 is obsessed with trannies so his mouth opened and he bleated.

>>105561641 (OP)
>30 years
>Debian will be out of alpha soon

>>105567451
but you'll never not be beta

>>105562135
you pick your DE in the installer retard

>>105561641 (OP)
I wasn't able to relate to debian before, but now that you made it into a wojak I can let me guard down. I... thank you.

>>105564355
Yes. Debian is 100% retarded for not having a nicely-paced rolling release. But it is what it is. Testing/unstable is usable if you are willing to tread carefully.

>>105564355
All it has to do is track GNOME releases. Or every second GNOME release, even.

>>105569754
We have that it's called Ubuntu.

>>105561641 (OP)
The day Trixie releases is the day I dist-upgrade to Forky/Sid.

>>105570989
Le ebik trolle

I'm on Debian 12 at the moment. How exactly do i fasttrack the transition to 13? Do i just change the sources.list to debian sid or how exactly does it work?

>>105571096
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting

>>105561641 (OP)
>never daily drove vanilla Debian because I could never get its networking to work with my wifi card
I wish I wasn't so retarded

>>105570989
I'm thinking Debian x.5 where GAYMINK stack, GNOME and browser get bumped. And everything else remain stable.

>>105571100
Ah okay, so change it to the new stable release's name then, thanks anon.

>>105571111
Debian now ships with firmware. Has since the 12 release.

>>105571122
np

>>105571132
I'll give it another shot then since it's about time for me to redo my setup anyway.

I'm surprised to hear they're finally shipping it with (what I'm assuming to be nonfree) firmware, I guess they finally abandoned their mission of trying to be as free as possible since the FSF deemed Debian as haram.

>>105571148
Yes, non-free, sorry.

Debian is still on-mission. FSF cannot endorse Debian since a long time ago. But it does not matter since Debian cleanly separates free and non-free. It is highly based in this regard from a user perspective.

Good luck with the rebuild :)

>>105561641 (OP)
Nice, I'll upgrade in 3 years when Debian 12 becomes EOL.

>>105563674
Use dh_make, it generates most things for you. It's not that hard once you have all the files there.

>>105561641 (OP)
> $ su
> # visudo
This incident will be reported.
> # sudo visudo
*opens in nano*

>>105571175
>But it does not matter since Debian cleanly separates free and non-free.
They stopped doing that.

Unless they started doing that again since I last checked, but they announced with one of their versions they weren't going to bother doing it anymore.

>>105572728
They split non-free into non-free and non-free-firmware, and put non-free-firmware packages in the installer. Main non-free is still opt-in.

>>105572728
only for the ISOs. Firmware is a special case because without it your hardware either doesn't work or works worse or has needless security holes.