Thread 105562005

if something goes wrong with your google account they will lock you out of everything and you'll be fucked. for this reason having your mail email @gmail kind of doesnt make sense. because if you lose youre @gmail (which can happen at any time, for seemingly any reason) you can jeopardize your bank access and all kinds of important stuff.

their fault for not having 2FA

>>105562005 (OP)
just changed my bank email to something else. can you imagine getting locked out of your bank because google found out you say the N word online

>>105562052
>google does dumb shit
>no way to get in touch with them
>"its the users fault"
sorry about your IQ anon.

My main email address is a custom domain, so if my email gets disabled, I can just change the MX records. Although I feel like I should set up my email address to be a domain in my own country for added security.

>guys son gets a rash or something
>takes pic to show doc
>pic goes to google cloud
>google cloud flags it as CP
>google locks his account

if one of you chuds takes a pic of your tiny dick google may think youre doing CP shit and lock your account and you're going to lose access to all of your saved hentai. i hope i have put this in terms you can relate to.

>>105562074
>Although I feel like I should set up my email address to be a domain in my own country for added security.
not a bad idea anon

>>105562074
>lose your domain
>can't use your email anymore
>have to buy domain back from some scalper in Singapore

>singed into google chrome
>all passwords and logins saved in google
>google account gets locked by AI mistake

good luck anon.

>photos? Secured on home server
>mail? Own domain relayed
>YouTube premium? Through revanced
Hehe

>>105562357
reminds me of this epic 6 hr gem

>FUTO's Guide to a Self Managed Life: part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5PPMYuOc8

>>105562005 (OP)
>lock you out of everything and you'll be fucked
How will you be fucked? Just download your mail and if that happens, then switch it all over somewhere else.

>>105562463
>website uses mandatory e-mail 2FA
>need to log-in to change 2FA address
>can't long-in without 2FA
What are you even supposed to do in that case?
On top of that, even if you want to switch to another provider, very few of them let you create an account without asking for your phone number, and you can't get a phone number without having an e-mail account. And no, burner SIMs are not an option as they are illegal here in France. The most cucked e-mail provider I've seen so far is laposte.net, which asks you for your ID, and you have to install their proprietary smartphone app.

>>105562570
>What are you even supposed to do in that case?
Switch your MX records on your domain, and forget about google. As for the phone number thing I never gave google or anyone mine, so I'm not sure what to say about that.

>>105562463
>How will you be fucked?
people have everything linked to their gmail. i have countless accounts that 2fa to gmail. if my gmail gets shut down i cant 2fa.

>>105562463
you sound indian.

>>105562683
Just switch the MX records once that happens.

Doesn't everyone use Protonmail and Tutamail these days, at least as their backup e-mail accounts? I don't know anyone who still uses anything Google-related, from search (most people use DDG or Start page) to browser (it's either Brave or Firefox) to e-mail.

>>105562644
>Switch your MX records on your domain, and forget about google.
See >>105562294. I have my own domain, but I don't use it for anything critical because of that scenario.
>As for the phone number thing I never gave google or anyone mine, so I'm not sure what to say about that.
Try creating a new Google account, and you will see what I mean. i'm lucky enough to have created my account before the mandatory phone number requirement, but now, you need one to create an account.

>>105562802
I doubt your domain will be stolen. ICANN has the 60 day wait period now, so just check every so often it's not being set to transfer.

>>105562005 (OP)
I dropped GMail when YT ad blockers started working better logged out. Fuck 'em.

>>105562067
do people really think 2fa is secure?

>>105562952
I don't, but sites force it on people.

>>105562052
The second circled comment was locked out specifically BECAUSE he enabled 2fa.

2fa isn't secure, it just locks people out.

>>105562790
>Protonmail
I have found a few services that do not accept them.

>>105562005 (OP)
anyone recommends anything from spain?

>>105563156
kek what? who?

>>105562005 (OP)
Happened to a friend of mine recently. Same situation, he got locked out of his account and didn't have the phone number anymore.
No chance of getting it back.

>>105562052
>2fa
>when google can just nuke your account on false allegations of spam or some other vague shit
I got my account nuked this way. And before you say it got hacked by indians or something, no it didn't because I had security email attached to it and there was no notifications of turd worlders accessing it, just an email saying that I was a spammer and my shit is blocked forever.
appeal didn't do shit, obviously.

>>105562005 (OP)
works on my machine

>>105562952
2fa is secure
SMS authentication isn't, which is what you're probably referring to

>>105563283
ya I have some account linked to a # I havent had in years.

>>105563473
I have bad news anon.

>>105563604
>I have bad news anon
What is your bad news? Nobody advocating for 2fa has ever argued it's a defense against cookie stealing
You're a stupid cunt

>>105563664
>no argument

>>105562054
That's quickly resolved by a fucking phone call.

>>105563756
idealistic

>>105563156
serious doubt, list 'em now anon

>>105562054
Is the Googles here now snooping with my browser of choice, Chrome?

>>105563031
this
i had 2fa enabled on steam years back because they forced it, gmail locked me out of my account and i couldn't log in to steam anymore either, despite knowing the login and password
great system guys, my account is now so secure nobody has logged in for 6 years now!

>>105562463
>want to switch to a new email address
>the website sends a confirmation email to the old address

>>105562005 (OP)
>you can jeopardize your bank access and all kinds of important stuff
bank is ironically not a big concern, since you can prove your identity on-site easily
the real problem is shit without any support and/or where you don't have a way to prove that you are the owner of the account beside knowing the username/password

>>105562054
>getting locked out of your bank because google found out you say the N word online
This has never happened.

>>105563031
>>105565229
>2fA IsN'T seCUre
skill issue

>>105565293
did you just wake up from a ten year coma?

>>105563604
>>105562952
>BROOOOO they can still get past 2fa if they put in a lot of effort to target you specifically!!!
Why do you lock your door if it can just get kicked in? Why do you avoid walking on the road if a maniac can just drive on the sidewalk to hit you?

>>105565366
why force people to 2fa secure their club penguin accounts when the password is an autogenerated string of 30+ random characters?
oh right because it was never about the security for the user, it was a way for the company to cover their ass in case they leak passwords

>>105565313
My friends and I drop the hard R daily, on various platforms, and Google has never once locked our accounts.

>>105565259
You don't change the address you change the provider. You don't have your own domain?

>>105562005 (OP)
Remember when Google was locking corporate accounts because of individual employees' actions? Literally shutting down businesses because an employee left a mean youtube comment.

>>105565550
do you have autism to miss an obvious joke like that?

>>105565555
>Google was locking corporate accounts
ha, I need to look that up

>>105565293
>This has never happened.
yet

>>105565630
Nowhere in the article does it say users were locked out of the account because they said the N-word.

>>105563473
>>2fa is secure

It's not perfect, but it sure beats the heck out of just logging in with just a password.

2FA is vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks.

>>105563793
>>105563262
NTA but it's true that there are places that won't let you sign up with protonmail.
I'm surprised that you guys are skeptical?
Off the top of my head I can't think of one, but I use protonmail and have had issues with it and been forced to use gmail or ms emails instead.

>>105562005 (OP)
That's why i use yahoo mail

>>105563793
I forget which is was. Only like 1 or 2.

>>105565772
>I'm surprised that you guys are skeptical?
ikr...

>>105566540
good choice

>>105565643
nothing gets past you

>>105562952
It depends on the implementation and 99% of those are badly implemented. What's funny is that it's always the most useless shit sites forcing you to use 2fa although I wouldn't even care if they got stolen.

>>105562005 (OP)
what even do? all accounts are linked to google email?
How to secure this as fuck?

>>105567033
look in the mirror and reflect on your poor life choices, then act upon it

>>105565405
I agree that it's annoying even for seemingly inconsequential things like club penguin. But some people might store personal and sensitive information in their accounts even if you don't. So no company wants their users' passwords to be used by someone else if it did get leaked. That seems like a good thing to me.

>>105562357
This. The only reason I maintain a google account is for Android, but I'm patiently waiting for the day I can use a gnome based OS (like Phosh) on my phone for a daily driver.

>>105568489
are you contributing code or cash?

>>105562005 (OP)
riseup :)

>>105566735
>nothing gets past you
Yes, retard.

my youtube account (didnt use gmail to make) was locked for some reason and they wont unlock it unless i add a phone number
they send verification emails but theyre like nah we dont think its you add a phone number to prove it
i hate phones so fucking much its unreal
i will never own one no matter what
i hope every phone explodes and kills billions
die die die

>>105562005 (OP)
i dont trust random redditors online without proof, probably had cp on his google photos accidentally synced or something so google banned his acc. i've been using gmail as my only email for the past 15 or so years and never had a single issue, same with most of my friends and family. this FUD makes no sense, if there's a single email service that can be trusted it's gmail because of it's overwhelming usage and market share, if it ever went down the governments would literally force google to make sure people can transfer their accounts because practically every single person uses it

>>105571763
>if there's a single email service that can be trusted it's gmail because of it's overwhelming usage and market share
nigga?

>>105562052
What happens if you lose your phone?

>>105566540
>>105566735
>yahoo mail
use case?

>Have 5 gmail accounts with no phone register to them because I made them like 20 years ago
Feels good man

>>105573035
You get a new one and restore from backup, duh

>>105573035
Keepassxc supports TOTP

>>105562052
>>105563031
>>105565229
Daily reminder that 2FA does not exist there is no 2 Factor anything it is literally Phone verification that overwrites everything else.

>>105573474
>not using the Microsoft Authenticator app

Verification texts on login can be a security risk itself if you're retarded like me.
I got "hacked" by someone who inherited my old phone number that I didn't change on pretty much any of my accounts. They simply reset my password through the verificaiton text because it went to their number, then they fucked my shit up for a laugh. Could have been really bad but seems like they just wanted to sow a little chaos. The only reason I was able to take it back quickly is because I had an active login session on my phone that they didn't log out. If they had kicked me off the session then I would have lost the account forever.

>>105565405
>why force people to 2fa secure their club penguin accounts when the password is an autogenerated string of 30+ random characters?
WOW this one starts to think!

>oh right because it was never about the security for the user
Correct it was about getting a ID that is connected to your identity (6 countries only have no mandatory ID laws to get a phone number)

>ha ha ha I use prepared
ON mars presumably since the phone is a geotracker that you have on you or in your home.


>it was a way for the company to cover their ass in case they leak passwords

>>105568269
>by someone else if it did get leaked
>get leaked
>get leaked
LMFAO Wait until you realize that all companies did play the blame game and they simply get all heir databases leaked every day then they play the magic game of
>umm chose a secure password
In reality any of this shit is possible because their retarded database got leaked and the le hackers are brute forcing the hashed passwords on their machines locally.

Think people how can someone hack your account if the server should block or give a time out to every IP that tries a bad login 20 times in 1 minute?

It is a clown show.
The anything I accept SMS verification is my bank.

>>105573480
>Not using government bio metric DNA login

>>105573526
Luck break anon

>>105573480
>Relying on microsoft for anything
Cant be me.

>>105573099
Good idea but I assume mass ban can be a thing too.

>we think account XYZ is le h4x0r
>we notice it's IP linked to these 5 others

>>105573035
>What happens if you lose your phone?
Exactly. Or sometimes 2FA wants to auth on some old phone app you havent even turned on in months.

>>105573583
Doesn't happen because people can be using different gmail accounts from same IP on a school, business, public wifi, cafe internet, etc who share the same internet conneciton.

>>105573609
true but if they see your hostname is comcast residential they can safely ban you.

>>105571702
>i hate phones so fucking much its unreal
BASED.

>i hope every phone explodes and kills billions
>die die die
Based BILLIONS MUST DIE!

>>105573905
Plenty of cafe internet use consumer internet connections, jesus christ you're fucking retarded

>>105573905
>cgnat doesn't exist
Just stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself

2FA is a retarded idea

>>105571702
How does giving them a phone number verify the account is yours? It's the most idiotic reasoning they could come up with for harvesting personal information?

>>105562005 (OP)
Reminder that Google randomly banned the developer of Terraria and refused to do anything until it was revealed publicly resulting in a shitstorm

So many people have had this happen to them that the police really wouldn't know where to start investigating if google employees started getting hunted down using publicly available information and beaten. You don't need to blow off low-yield explosives late at night at their HQ to make a difference. Just learn to read linkedin.

>>105573526
>then they fucked my shit up for a laugh. Could have been really bad
What happened?

>>105562005 (OP)
that's why I use proton

>>105573035
Backup QR code on another device.

>>105575701
Isn't proton jewish honeypot with mossad ehind it?

>>105562005 (OP)
Who cares? I'd wager that literally nothing of value was lost.

>>105575274
holy chit.

>>105574220
only applies to IPv4 retard

>>105574167
>consumer internet connections
are you sure about that anon?

you and the above anon are both operating under the false assumption that google would act reasonably, which runs counter to what we've seen in the past.

>>105562005 (OP)
disroot.org offers mail

Is cock.li stable now? With the the recent whatever that happened to it I switched my discord to gmail. But now this thread has me thinking I should change it to something else. Cock.li is nice because you can not log in for years and it keeps your account open. I was considering yahoo as well.

Discord is one of those things where you're totally fucked if you're locked out of your email. I realized this when I got locked out of one of my gmail accounts but managed to get back in later (user error, not google locking me out). That's when I switched to cock.li, but then I went back to gmail after the whatever that happened earlier this year. And now I'm thinking of going back to cock.li.

>>105562052
>having 2fa enabled anywhere
spotted the tranny

>>105575274
>a corporation that values their customers
>doing business with you
this fool thinks he is a customer, and is doing business with Google

I am extremely lazy about managing my email accounts. Even my main, "real life name" email I only check once a month maybe (I'm a neet, no one's talking to me anyway), and google pesters me about adding more contact information for """security""" that I just keep ignoring. At some point I'm sure they'll make it mandatory and I don't know what I'm going to do about it because even if I switch providers (who the fuck would I switch to), how many god damn accounts that I've forgotten about am I going to have to switch?

Threads like these really peak my anxiety meter.

>>105562005 (OP)
Gmail literally has:
- backup email
- phone verification
- Authentication verification

And no, "knowing the password" isn't proof that you're not a Jeet.

>>105562952
If you're getting sim swapped you have worse problems fucking retard. But 2FA also includes TOTP which is just a random number generator.

>>105565405
So would you prefer it if they just nuked your account the second someone guesses the password? Because that's the alternative because once an account is compromised the only other real solution is just to delete it.

>>105575494
>Could have been really bad but seems like they just wanted to sow a little chaos. The only reason I was able to take it back quickly is because I had an active login session on my phone that they didn't log out. If they had kicked me off the session then
Imagine you get into someone's social media account and have about 2h to do whatever you want. That's pretty much what happened

>>105563604
2fa doesn't protect against an enemy stealing your session, right? Is there even something that can protect against that?

>>105562005 (OP)
>having your mail email @gmail
you what mate

>>105562005 (OP)
I sometimes browse youtube on my phone through the browser, and last night it started to refuse to play videos if I didn't log in. Of course I didn't, but their bullshit reasoning was to protect the community. They are feeling pressure from the money they are bleeding. Keep it up and always use ad blockers. Run it 24/7 in the background.

You can get a vps for like $20 a month and have unlimited website, unlimited emails, shell, vpn, seedbox, cloud storage, whatever you want, completely private no megalomaniac tech zog, have no idea why you faggots are even using boomermail it's embarrassing.

>>105585467
>Is there even something that can protect against that?
the service you use has to constantly check if your account is making requests from an unusual place. you yourself can't really do anything if you get pwned by it

>>105585467
Even if they steal your session they shouldn't know your password, and changing your password usually requires knowing your password. So you can log out the session if you suspect you've been pwned that way. I guess it's good practice to log out frequently and use log out all devices/sessions features some sites have, although kind of inconvenient.

>>105575274
>Later that February, Google reached out to Re-Logic about the account shutdown and provided transparency around the situation and restored their accounts; subsequently, Re-Logic reaffirmed that they would release the game for Stadia, which it did on March 18, 2021
what a cuck

It sucks man. I'm locked out of a gmail account from 6 years ago and it had a bunch of important photos on it. It had great wrekt oc content of a car crash I filmed as well and got footage of this dude completely dead. So pissed I can't get to it. I don't have the phone number anymore and theres LITERALLY NO ONE I CAN TALK TO

>>105562005 (OP)
startmail. Been using it for years. It's excellent. It costs 50 euro's per year, but your mail is 100% secure and private. No advertising, content checking, or data snooping. Fast, reliable, able to create burners, secondary aliasses, etc.

>>105587588
>no cash or monero payments
DROPPED

protonmail doesn't let me use smtp without paying.
Is mail.com good?

>>105575701
>>105578161
I'm looking to move away from it because I can't have offline mail without their dogshit bridge.
E2EE is a fucking meme for emails too.
They also have a track record of locking people out of their accounts for good based on online posts.
Haven't had any issues in the past year of being a paid member aside from them arbitrarily deciding I was "sending too many emails" one day...
Still looking to move away from those fucks as they focus more on corpo expansion than polishing what they have.
Unfortunately every other option is either just as halfbaked or American (Outlook/Google) which could lock me just because some sanction or whatever. (EU)

>>105590379
>Unfortunately every other option is either just as halfbaked
just use IMAP/SMTP, plenty of decent providers that way.