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Previous: >>105553105

/twerk/

Indians won
Whiteoids lost

MSFT, had my 1 year review today, manager said I was doing great and he's gonna start positioning me into leadership roles. Do they say this to everyone or am I actually doing good? I have previous managerial experience, but not in a tech environment, so not sure if they want to leverage my previous experience.

>>105568164
>wake up everyday as an indian
>"won"

I have a full blown production app - self deployed, with users.
Do I need a degree to get a web shitting job, or will my "project" be enough to get a job? Asking because I could probably knock out a bachelor's in about a year, but I'm 33 and don't want to unless it's needed.

>>105568197
You don't NEED a degree but you're going to be dropped before they even read the resume if you haven't previously been employed in tech.

learn a trade

>>105568192
BENCHOD BLOODY

>>105568197
The year isn't 1973 anymore. By the timr I was 13 I had several games, a couple enterprise software and a website up. You think I ever got so much as a rejection letter? Lol, lmao. And that was back when it was possible, to some extent, to get a job without a degree. Now it's even worse. Even if you managed to pull 5 years of exp out of your ass despite the impossibility of it due to no degree, you still wouldn't get even a response because you have no degree. In fact at this moment shit is so bad that even eith 5 years of exp and a master's you wouldn't get anything.

>>105568185
They say this to everyone then turn around and deny raises 'because the company isn't doing well this year' (on a record profit year). As you may or may not know, if you get no bonus you are denied promotion for the next 2 years.

>>105568208
That’s what I figured. Might as well knock it out then. Thanks anon.

>>105568262
Yeah they definitely weren’t hiring anyone with a pulse that could do fizzbuzz a few years ago. The market corrected and the fat got trimmed. All the make work positions are gone and all the people larping as programmers were booted out. The only real problem is that you still have 95 people who actually think they’re useful still coping and sending out 1000 applications a day, and 2 billion Indians applying to anything with the word “remote” in the title. Im not really worried about it .

>>105568315
95/100*

>>105568268
Well I don't think I'm ready for senior anyway

>>105568315
Lol. They've been firing real.devs and keeping the dei niggers. 94% of jobs since then have gone to shitskins. Wake up, inbred.

>>105568315
I'm not saying it's impossible it's just hard to get your foot in the door, even if you do have the degree.
If you have connections that can set you up then things should be a lot easier. Of course, if your app is big that might change things a bit.
Keep in mind that an in-production app should count as work experience but I doubt it would even cover a single year.

>>105568375
They never count it as work experience. Otherwise I'd have 23 by now, not 4.
It's true though that there is a chance if the app has over 100k users.

>>105568315
>and 2 billion Indians applying to anything with the word “remote” in the title. Im not really worried about it .
That's a bold statement. They're applying to anything with "software" in the title, they don't give a shit if it isn't remote, a lot of the time they don't even care if it doesn't sponsor a visa (let HR filter it out).

Any ideas for a project that will get some users? I need something for my portfolio. I literally have nothing...

>>105568375
It’s a $100 app that I’ve gotten a few 1000 users for so far. I would think that networking while doing the degree and hanging out in discord communities helping people would get me an in by the time I had the degree. Im very aware that getting the piece of paper is just a checkbox in a list of requirements. Im not expecting to get it and get slammed with job offers.

>>105568390
My point was just that they’re clogging up the applicant pool, but you’re right.

>>105568408
Build something you need.

>>105568409
Hanging out in discord is less than useless, but networking in college is key.

>>105568408
Train alarm.
>set it to an area
>alarm goes off when you're nearing that area to make sure you're awake (also useful for restraining orders)

>>105568427
Tell that to all the rust trannies that hire each other. Community is everything man. Finding and becoming known in small discord communities is just modern networking.

Any hardware engineers here? Exactly how jeeted is IC design? Which niche strikes the best balance between high pay and being outsourcing-proof?

>>105568164
>Indians won

I will get a job without a degree because I can do the high level math required to build machine learning software and build AI models from cutting-edge research. I don't need someone on the internet to tell me what I can and can't do. I've succeeded on a professional level in other fields without a degree.

I know the market is in the shitter. I know things are very competitive right now. That only pushes me to struggle and achieve. Listen closely: If you know you can do something, don't let anyone tell you that you can't. Give people the opportunity to shit on your dreams and they will.

You climb the mountain or you don't. I don't care about fancy things, I do it because my people depend on me. And when I am done with programming for a living, I will move on to my next goal.

Don't waste your life sitting at the base camp talking about climbing the mountain. Climb the mountain or don't. One day you will run out of time and die, don't waste your precious time in life.

Now I am going to log off this website and make my dreams into reality. Failure is not an option when your people count on you.

>>105568507
>talking about getting a job without a degree
>mentions the field that's so degree-bloated that a PHD is an entry level requirement
Where'd you get this absolute copium from? I'm guessing it's copypasted considering you said "log off".

>manager asks us not to take any significant number of vacation days until june so we can finish on time
>ok.jpg
>some extra tasks flow in
>deadlines pushed back
>now we're told to push vacations further
>will probably lose vacation days due to legal issues because I had to use these remaining days before july
mfw

>>105568443
>getting hired by trannies to work with trannies on rust projects
no thanks

>>105568639
You’re reading comprehension is shit mate.

>>105568652
I think your (not you're) comprehension is shit. I'm telling you the only people getting hired by discord communities are rust trannies

>>105568197
>I have a full blown production app - self deployed, with users.
>Do I need a degree to get a web shitting job, or will my "project" be enough to get a job?
Most people applying don't have this. Just fire out some resumes for a bit and see how you do.

>>105568409
>It’s a $100 app that I’ve gotten a few 1000 users for so far.
if you already passed 0->1 and have few 100k from the app might be better off scaling?

>>105568414
>Build something you need.
imo this is terrible advice unless you have normie problems. If you have engineering/hacker problems, good luck shilling their solution to normies

>>105568507
You need a phd to even make it to a human in deep learning. Best you can do orherwise is mashing APIs together which requires years of experience in webtardation on top of a degree.

But you've shown you're incapable of ever passing even a mcdonald's burger flipper interview due to your absurdly low IQ, so even degrees wouldn't help your case.

>>105568452
The more I research the more it appears it is significantly more jeeted/gooked than even software. God fucking dammit.
What are white people making north of $300k/year in their 30s doing?

>>105568798
Nearly everyone applying not only has 3 of these, but also a few internships and a degree. Ar least in a normal market. Right now, add 5-10 years of fagman experience and a master's degree.

>>105569051
For you
https://www.janestreet.com/join-jane-street/position/4279246002/

>>105569051
>What are white people making north of $300k/year in their 30s doing?
jews are spending millions in research to figure that out so they can flood it with non-Whites.

>>105569108
I've considered this as a current EE student at a pretty good school but I hear the work life balance is horrendous as an FPGA slave at HFTs. I think my mammon worship might push me to the edge thoughbeit

Second week of summer vacation and I'm stressed over work and my shitty manager.

saars i am getting EMPLOYED in a local walk-in repairshop this friday, does anyone know what i should expect or get ready for

>>105569675
Gross shit and bugs in places they shouldn't be. Read up on whether you're allowed to auto-reject things if they aren't acceptably clean (Louis Rossmann does).

Fuck the IT industry
Being hired by a company that has a product?
No can do, those companies have other companies they make contracts with so they can find """"talent""""" for them, and they're EXCLUSIVE. You want to go behind their back? Naaaaah " Sorry, in your country we work with XYZ company, we can't hire you directly"
So, you're being hired by an outsourcing company and you're being passed around like a tech prostitute for a premium while you get way less than if you were hired directly by the client.
Fine
Or it would be, if those outsourcing companies wouldn't be lazy asses and outsource """"talent"""" searching to OTHER companies, because they're too busy """"client facing""""
So you have """"talent"""" searching companies that make a contract with you for pennies on the dollar to pass you to ANOTHER company that will sell you to ONE specific client.
Like a fucking cheap tech whore. In the end, the hourly rate is like $30 for a FULL TIME JOB migrating monolith applications to cloud and splitting them into microservices. Why? Who the fuck knows
Also, these """"managers"""" and """"CEOs"""" are undeniably tech illiterate but make BANK. Fuck them, fuck corporate bloodsuckers, fuck their """"services"""" for destroying the market.
FUCK THE IT INDUSTRY, FUCK OUTSOURCING COMPANIES OF ANY KIND
They don't want to hire junior engineers because "le AI will do everything and a blowjob"
>IMAGINE THE PROFITS WOWZERS
And to top it all off - I'm being "sought" after in favor of westerners.
Not only americans, brits, germas and whoever else have a hard time finding a job, but when these jobs 'arrive' in eastern europe, two companies are already above you taking almost everything you'd get. I know people that have 3 (THREE) fucking companies taking money off his work.
Too bad IT engineers are cucks that accept this
This market is so fucking fucked I wish I can find something else FAST to get out of this system
t. employed, white, second worlder

>>105569942
>Also, these """"managers"""" and """"CEOs"""" are undeniably tech illiterate but make BANK.
It gets worse, even if a CEO sinks a company they'll have few problems finding a new job because they made shareholders some short term profit. I doubt managers have issues either, their entire job is about faking productivity numbers for their own benefit.

>>105569942
wageslavery is not the victims fault though, unless you mean all tech people should channel their inner luigi

>>105569942
this happens in every industry

>>105569942
I am in that situation, but what the fuck do you expect me to do about it? Furthermore, why should I even care? Sure, there are like 4 or 5 deadbeat managers who parasitize on my work, but without them I wouldn't get this job, not necessarily because of intentional gatekeeping, but also because the client would not be aware of me and I wouldn't be aware of them. Either way, I can't change the rules of the game, but I can exit the game altogether and do something else.

>>105568164
>You're cheating so you can watch every company die
>Think Jeet!
>What will you have after you destroy every company?

>>105569028
>this is terrible advice unless you have normie problems.
Tell that to the guy who made a website to discuss weebshit after his underage ass got banned from another social media and got hired into google with no programming knowlwdge

>>105568185
Pretty neutral feedback. If you actually did great you would get something out of it besides fancy words.

>>105569108
Lmao dude Jane Street notoriously only hires Jews (this is not a pol larp but actual known reality)

>>105570554
>literally can't read
back to redd!t

>>105569942
It is what it is.
You should be working on your exit strategy in your free time.
There's no non-exploitative work for us in this industry anymore, unless you're one of those unicorn savant programmers, it's the only way to get a real job with a salary, benefits, PTOs, all that jazz with none of those outsourcing grifters in between us and the client.
For the rest of us, it's eat what you kill with hourly rates and no benefits at all, it's get chewed in then spat out if they can't place in a new project, or work for dogshit pay and fake benefits in our home countries. There's no in between.
I've been there and it's brutal. Save as much as you can, and never stop interviewing, you never know when all those smiling faces will simply kick you out of Slack with no notice at all.
That's my two cents.

Gotta learn Postgres, what's the fastest way to become decent/knowledgeable in a few days?

>big booty gardening cutie is mowing the lawn in front my my apartment complex
>get paid big dollar to look at her ass
I'm never going back to the office.

>>105571053
Just shit together some databases. You can easily install it locally.

>>105571028
instead of the best goy, you can be the worst goy though, make sure you work is needed

>>105571101
>this is what the boomers stole from me
reeeeeeeee

Do you ever have days where you don't want to do anything and you don't do anything at all.

>>105569028
>might be better off scaling?
It's very niche and my advertising abilities aren't amazing. Basically with PPC ads you'll hit a wall scaling unless you can find other keywords that convert just as well. I'm to the point now where I can't just find similar cheap clicks and rely on cold conversion rates, which means branching out into a layered ad approach where you have to basically spend money just to get eyeballs, then build an audience from people that watched at least 20-30 seconds of those ads to do problem education, then build an audience off of them to target for direct sales pitches, and the price of the software may be enough to make that profitable, but not with my skill and not without spending 10s of 1000s figuring it out.

Ultimately it was never meant to be what it ended up with and I'm more than happy with how it went, but it's kind of reached its limit.

>>105569028
>imo this is terrible advice unless you have normie problems
Anyone that unironically uses the word normie is usually just a bitter friendless shut in trying to rationalize their loneliness, rather than an actual sperg.

>>105571446
I am not doing anything right now.

>>105571466
Turbo loser AND incompetent normalfag. Good combo you've got going there.

>>105571558
>loser
Oh no, my feelings. Please, mercy!

>>105569028
I don’t “need” anything.
Everything on my ‘puter either works just fine for my purposes, cannot be meaningfully improved, or cannot be improved with the resources I have available to me.

>>105571706
>I don’t “need” anything.
Yeah I thought the same thing, but then figured it out. The reason it's important is that you'll likely actually build and finish it, and add useful shit to it because it's something you want which by default makes it better, but more importantly for getting a job is that if you land an interview you'll be excited to show it off and explain it and the interviewer will like you vs being bored as fuck explaining some basic shit you don't care about.

I know it's the equivalent of
>just be yourself!
To someone that hasn't found their confidence, but once you think of something you'll be way better off then just picking something generic.

>>105571583
Keep crying bitch nigga

>>105571765
well done on mever having stood anywhere near a tech interview. Now go back to >>>/x/ with your schizo shit

>>105571053
It's just a DBMS, how different could it be from others?

I created a new HackerNews account after my >10 year old one was banned in 2021 and now I can't stay off it help!

>>105571826
They have a bunch of weird extra things like pubsub and replication. Someone here was talking about how his company was actually putting it in embedded firmware just as a message bus which seems pretty crazy to me.

>>105568589
Ignore him and take vacation. You'll get burnt out and fired if you don't.

>>105571826
poo in loo pajeet

>>105571863
That didn't seem like a particularly Indian take to me.

Remember. If youre ever rejected from a job, go check the employee page and demographics of the engineering department of the company you applied for. You'll see why.

>>105571887
While I do think that the current market is grim, I think most anons should ask themselves:
>What tier of company am I applying to?
>How do the companies I have worked at compare to the company I am applying to?
>How impressive is my education/github/certifications/etc.?

>>105571887
Don't be like this, it will make you resentful and slow.

You're right that's probably causing it but the emotions it creates will make meaningful socialization impossible. Understand the problem, try to solve it when you're empowered to, but don't dwell on it.

>>105571925
There's this really weird effect with employment where if you go too far outside what's appropriate in *both* directions you won't get hired. I think a lot of people have noticed the weird effect where if you've worked for one remote company you'll typically only get hired by remote companies after that. Willingness to sacrifice for stability or a quick new job doesn't actually change things. You have a niche and it's the collapse of that niche that these people are upset about.

>>105571887
How few jobs are you applying to that you care about what you're applying to? I could only see myself doing this if it fit me perfectly and I was over experienced and they still rejected me.

>>105571925
>T999
>T1 including fagman and vc-backed startups that sold for 9 figures
>virtually unparalleled github (technicals), top 10% (public achievements), top 0.01% education profile, top 1% work profile

>>105571952
NTA: shotgunning is retarded and doesn't work. The only jobs I've ever gotten hired for were ones where I knew someone at the company (either meeting them at a conference or some other way.) You should be focused and careful like you're swinging a sword, not sloppy.

>alternate between manic states of extreme confidence and deep despair
i don't think this is healthy...

>>105569051
>>105569119
It's mostly white people in mangerial positions or were there before the jeets took over. And even they are slowly being bled out. And let me tell you, it's not just whites getting kicked out. All americans are, including I a black anon. Unlike you whites, however, Im not afraid to call the jeets out.

>>105571972
because you can't go to jail for this since you have the nigger card

>>105571963
Only a nepohire would ever say that. In the real world only shotgunning works.

>>105571930
>You're right that's probably causing it but the emotions it creates will make meaningful socialization impossible. Understand the problem, try to solve it when you're empowered to, but don't dwell on it.
The emotions it causes is justified considering I'm probably older than most of you here. Not an old man tier, but the fact Im being beaten out by indians is killing my job prospects. It use to be that someone like I was invaluable. I was able to get any programming job. Nowadays, it's not only a rat race, but too many jobs being cut for indian outsourcing. Nothing is more depressing than seeing all the jobs for a company domestic, but all the software engineer jobs features in Bangalore, India.

>>105571925
FAANG
T999999999999
None

>>105571952
>>105571963
You need to do both unfortunately. You were able to do this ten years ago when there were too few indian visas and outsourcing. Now it's rampant everywhere, even in the most remote companies.

>>105571963
My resume isn't a sword it's a broken sewage pipe (which is ironic because I'm not indian).
Not everyone has connections to leverage, some of us are socially retarded, some of us are just normally retarded and thought uni was for learning not networking, some of us are both.

>>105571979
True. You'll still get white liberals trying to shoot me down or call me names, but they forget I dont have white guilt.

>>105571989
This. t 35 this year

>>105571972
you are our last hope against the jeet menace

I applied for a position without knowing anyone in the org and got an offer after one spoken interview and one technical interview. Just use your autism to become a social chameleon.

>>105572009
Your hope is three things: non whites, whites with balls, and women (non indian). Getting women on your side is key because they are not afraid of social consequences and are very good at grouping up on an issue.

>>105571972
If you're even remotely intelligent you're a literal golden goose to any major company, the fuck are you complaining about? Sure Prajesh isn't likely to hire you over your cousin but Sarah sees Tyrone's resume that lists actual skills that aren't drug/gang related? You're damn right she's putting you on the short list.

>>105572004
That's libtards for you. But frankly the white guilt faggots are even more of an embarassment than libtards are. Though I'm surprised they have the guts to even talk down to you like that.

>>105572018
>>105572018
Too many damn companies doing more than two interviews, even the ones that shouldnt.

>>105572024
>women [...] not afraid of social consequences
Your advice is bad and you're retarded

>>105571989
They absolutely are justified but that doesn't mean they won't hurt you.

>>105572027
You must be 18 or older to browse this site

>>105572032
Yeah, the places trying to do 4, 5, 6+ rounds of interviews are retarded and wasting their own employees' time on top of wasting the interviewee's time.

>>105572001
>My resume isn't a sword it's a broken sewage pipe
Hah lol. I was complaining to a colleague that adding quantum computing to my resume after a side project made me feel like I was accumulating buzzwords (it's right next to pytorch.) He reminded me that's the whole point of modern resumes which made me feel better.

>>105572037
he's a nigger after all

>>105572043
>blacks aren't severely advantaged when it comes to finding a job
Americans worship you people. Don't make me post the America copypasta.

>>105572027
>you're a literal golden goose to any major company,
Sure but at the end of the day employment is a social exercise, not a technical one. Being competent makes that socialization easier but doesn't mean you don't have to do it.

>>105572027
Those are way too many assumptions, pal. I'm going to give you the reality of the career world: yes there will be some HR woman that may like that a black anon is nice and clean, but the rest of the company will always have prejudice toward my type simply because they don't have the social understanding. Black anons like I have to work twice as hard to convince employees that we're good at what we do. My resume is pretty strong and yet I still get interviewers who ask me the most basic questions or look at me like they don't expect anything from me. Which makes sense. Im not the only black person applying but none of them can explain what async means or explain why a destructor should be virtual when it comes to polymorophism, etc, etc.

tl;dr It's not that simple. Btw, the only way I even got my first big job is because the indian they were going to hire ended up failing his visa. The only reason I got picked is because the one white guy on the team grew up with blacks and trusted me. He really saved my ass.

>>105572037
He's right that you have to be on the dominant side when they're long housing, the problem is that they're irrational and so it's very difficult to do this seriously in practice. IMO the best thing to do is just avoid interacting with women professionally.

>>105572029
The boldness usually comes from behind a screen. They'd never do it in real life, but when they do, they always make sure they have others around them. It's a rather cowardly position lol

>>105572037
My advice is sound. You just have to know how to wrangle them to your side. I'm good with women, so if I did want to do it, I could. I know most of you anons on this site are socially retarded.

>>105572065
sorry, I didn't understand that this was the operative part of your post. I focused on the remotely intelligent part alone

>>105571706
>Everything on my ‘puter either works just fine for my purposes, cannot be meaningfully improved, or cannot be improved with the resources I have available to me.
Personally I have little bits of software I write to fix minor annoyances (maybe you're on OSX where this is actually a big deal and not something you can just casually hack in a few minutes.) The hard part for me isn't finding something, it's making a nice UI and business model for it.

>>105572085
>My resume is pretty strong and yet I still get interviewers who ask me the most basic questions
lmao
Look at this bitch complaining that he's getting interviews.
Everyone gets those dumb questions anyway, another anon talked about being put in charge of hiring (mid levels?) for his department and talked about how none of the people he interviewed seemed to know anything (he even said he asked them about async/await).

>>105572148
>lmao
>Look at this bitch complaining that he's getting interviews.
I can still fucking complain when you're interviewing me for a senior position, you see my resume is stacked, and I was referred to your company, you don't go and ask me basic ass college freshman questions like I'm stupid.

>>105572148
but that guy was clueless and thiught c# was the only language in the world

>>105572160
plenty of fake profiles or real profiles of people who managed to cost. Interviewed someone a few months back with over 15 yoe. Didn't know what modulo was or how to calculate modular indices at all even by other means.

>>105572170
Was he manager prior? I've noticed with these interview questions, people are projecting their high standards on work that doesn't require you to think like that day to day. Most operations in a engineer job is support and management of various tasks. Coding is only 15% of the work total ever, even at Google.

>>105572115
>minor annoyances
Like what?

What’s the best masters specialization? I feel like machine learning is a fad thst will die before I finish.

>>105572170
>modular indices
NTA but I've never heard of that before.
Googling it and it's clock math but for collection indexes. I made one of those once, it was fun (didn't use modulo, just a normal if statement with subtraction).

reminder: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/section-174/
BBB raises this to 100%

>>105572204
>Doubling down on his meme degree

>>105572209
you can also use it for 1D circular arrays but again...why the fuck would you ever use that technique for mundane tasks? its self masturbatory

>>105572204
Cyber Sec has been shilled a lot here, but I'm a diploma peasant so don't listen to me.

>>105572209
>clock math
>didn't use modulo, just a normal if statement with subtraction
jfc..

>>105572204
get on the robotics hardware side of it

>>105572209
>Googling it and it's clock math but for collection indexes.
Jesus Christ how did you even find this thread?

>>105572218
Cybersec is great if you like being a bitchy office admin surrounded by other bitchy office admins rather than doing anything meaningful.

>>105572217
I was trying to sort through my anime porn collection so I wrote a program that dumped the folder into a simple UI like pic, the middle pic would be treated as the head the images would be populated based on the circular list (mainly for start and end), if I pressed a hotkey it'd mark something to be moved/deleted and then move so the head is the file to the right.
Too many files, it beat me, so I decided to wait until I wrote some program to filter out shit that's low resolution or duplicates but never got around to doing that.

>>105572243
there are 2 components to cybersec: defensive and offensive. there are many areas as well: intelligence, forensics, all things SOC, pentesting...
and you clearly are fucking stupid and ignorant about it all, so please stop vomiting your opinion about cybersec, retard

>>105572221
>>105572239
I am not good at math.
That's not to say that I don't know what modulo is but I certainly didn't think about using it for the circular list.

>>105572289
cybersec the degree is fucking dogshit IT desk slop. You dont even do any actual coding. atm, it does have good employment potential though. my coworker just got like an 80k job (networked) immediately out of school and he's a script kiddie at best.

I once told some guys I was a swe at a startup and they started acting like faggots, jumping up and down, harassing me. "You're so cool bro, can you get me a job, wow, I'm learning how to code, can you help me?!"

I will never tell anyone I'm a swe again. I will also never tell anyone I'm a digital nomad because they literally can NOT handle it.

Just take a look at this trv thread

>>>/trv/2792427

>>105572350
are you sure they werent jumping up and down telling you that you arent an actual engineer

>>105572315
>That's not to say that I don't know what modulo is
anon, you are calling modulo "clock math" and using ifs instead of fucking modulo operations. I don't think you really know what it is.

>>105572325
>cybersec the degree
you need a degree for cybersec?? lmao

>You dont even do any actual coding
yes, many pentesters I've met have networking backgrounds and have never written anything beyond a couple of scripts. so? these days things are so complex that you'd be better running multiple scanners and following a guide (like OWASP) rather than testing everything under the sun, because that's simply impossible.

>>105572374
Well that is what it is. I don't use remainders often and the first example I saw on google for "modulo indexes" was clock math, sue me.

>>105572350
>I'm a digital nomad because they literally can NOT handle it.
Really? I've told this to people and they just think it's interesting.

>>105572396
Quit bullying the mathlet guys. Yes he's innumerate but everyone is different.

>>105572397
What's interesting about traveling for work? Literally every other industry does this, hospitality and food especially. Half the employees at a high end hotel are there conditionally.

>>105572405
Nah I accept that I'm really shit at math. I'm not the kind of dev who'll work on anything important, I know my limits.

>>105572350
Maybe you should stop talking to faggots. I've never had anyone react like that.

>>105572210
>pragmaticengineer

worst grinder ever, into the trash it goes

after 5 years, the negativity, pessimism and arrogance on 4chuds directed at me and others is starting to bother me.

not to mention the 20 glASS threads, and the 50 AI threads...

good bye g

>ask for a referral from a guy I spoke to once over a decade ago
>refers me
>ask friend's ex-gf for a referral
>refers me
>ask a recruiter from over a year ago to push my application in their system
>does it
>ask a friend for a referral after being vouched by multiple people
>says yes, never does it, and ghosts me
I think I'm starting to notice a pattern and I don't like it.

>>105572433
how you handle taxes for example
>gets paid in crypto
no, but srsly. If you don't have an address or a permanent place you live which jew claims dibs on 50% of your income?

>>105572495
where do you think you going lad? It's only Thursday

>I survived another team building exercise
I don't think I can make it through the next one, still it's like three months away so I have time to find some truly 100% remote position.

>>105572478
>didn't read the article lol!
I fucking hate this subreddit so much. you guys are so fucking stupid, you keep attacking random messengers instead of trying to understand the message. as the people relaying the message even knew who this random messenger even is.
enjoy being laid off lmao.

>>105572180
Not really. Position was senior dev, his previous role was lead dev for about a year, senior before that. His profile was 100% technical.

>>105572209
First, you are tech illiterate. Second, you would still have been hired at your level and he disn't make it.

>>105572507
most of the time I feel like unknown people are more useful and more friendly to me than my family and chilhood "friends". dunno if this is because of my personality or simply because they think I'm dumb and want to take advantage of me without moving a single finger to help me.

>>105572600
Random people have helped me significantly more than those I know. This is completely counter to what people like to say then again all my friends with connections roadblock me immediately whenever I asked.

>>105572681
Same experience here. Sounds like a trend...

>it's not Friday
I think I'm going to die, I'm so tired. We got flooded with AI projects that need to be sorted out, and none of the pms is reasonable enough to understand that his "innovative" team has bo clue, no plan, no resources.

>>105571863
>>105571882
Yeah... Indian takes are treating various pieces of software as individual technologies you have to learn.
>OH SARR YOU ONLY HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH SERVICENOW TICKETING SYSTEM SAAR?
>I AM SORRY SAAR WE ARE SEARCHING FOR SOMEONE WITH AT LEAST 3 YEAR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE ZENDESK... BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME

>>105572598
I wouldn't say that's tech illiteracy, it's just a term I hadn't heard before and as I said I never even thought of using modulo for that sort of thing. Not to dig myself into a deeper hole but wouldn't it be slower anyway? Division's slow and if you can do the math with a comparison and subtraction then surely that should be faster (assuming you aren't going out of bounds by >length in one action).
But yes I definitely don't have 15 years of experience, I'm sure it's noticeable.

>>105572830
that's like claiming you're not math illiterate, you just haden't heard that 1+1=2 before

>be me
>browse linkedin (I know)
>see absolute cretins from past jobs/schools getting promoted to "manager" "director" "VP" roles, probably making bank
>cope and seethe

>>105572890
literally me

>>105572848
Why are you comparing modular indexing to 1+1=2? I even posted an example of when I'd actually used it (just not via modulo).

>>105572890
I browse linkedin, see a see of pajeets, I close linkedin.

Why did you give up at work and started doing the bare minimum?

>>105572900
because it is that basic and pervasive in programming

so the recruiter said that she wants references from my past experiences after 4 rounds of interviews. I only have 1 past company and 1 internship. I was terminated from that internship because I couldn't cope with the workload they gave me. I contacted a friend in that company who said that he'll take care of it. The HR gave my references to one of the engineers who interviewed me. What do they look for in references? positive feedback??

>>105572890
remember management titles are about how much dick and ass you can kiss and suck
don't feel too bad
Captcha: P0S0R

>>105572890
I saw an ex coworker of mine that got fired last year, who was the worst programmer I've ever since by far, get a job as senior dev in a nother company.

>>105572943
you can just give any number and say they were your manager. get a buddy to pretend they were your boss.

>>105572943
Yes. Are you good, are you a team player, what impression did the reference have of you, etc.
Typically you should contact your reference in advance and ask for permission to avoid getting someone who doesn't like you get called up

>>105572890
We had this evil woman brought into our department last year. She somehow convinced them to hire her as a Director, despite having 0 technical engineering knowledge. She immediately fired half the team and caused general chaos everywhere. She herself was fired in less than 8 months by the CEO for her massive incompetence. I just saw and she is now hired at Microsoft as a Director of Engineering, probably making $500k/year.

>>105572947
literally all titles including tech titles are like that now.

>>105572939
Not really.

>>105572984
she must give some mean head

>>105572984
same story in my previous company except she was praised by the ceo for literally destroying the company.
Also is there such a thing as a non-evil woman in a job? Haven't seen one yet.

>>105572993
Yes really, pajeet.

>>105573010
The best programmer in my graduating class was an arab lady, does that count?

>>105572890
There's some theory somewhere that moving up requires a certain degree of incompetence.
For instance a productive IC would be kept as an IC, being productive, whereas the incompetent one would be made "management" because it's easier than firing

>>105573023
It's useful when it's used but it's not something many people have to use.

>>105573024
Persians don't count

>>105573052
Persians invented modern counting.

>>105573010
my boss is this extreme girlboss MBA woman, she literally works 24/7. She fired someone on my team for saying "that's not my job" (a dumb thing to say to your boss admittedly) but now I have to walk on eggshells around her all the time and pretend I am a workaholic too. She says things like "I can't understand why anyone would ever retire, what a useless life if you aren't working" kek

>>105573075
kek, touché

>>105573024
I'm sorry to hear that you're tech illiterate but evil and tech ability are separate concepts

>>105573051
Anyone doing any programming nrrds it at least daily, pajeet

>>105573092
Those are typically poo characteristics but in any case, sadly relatable.

>>105573125
Now that's a load of shit. Most programmers don't even use modulo daily let alone modulo indexing.

>>105573141
OK pajeet. Whatever Ranjesh told you.

>>105572890
Linkden is kiked hard but you will see tranny meltdowns on it.

>>105573162
I'm not sure why you're being so autistic about this.

>>105573141
>Most programmers don't even use modulo daily
uhm bro?????

>>105573184
because failing at fizzbuzz used to be a joke, but now you actually exist

>>105572984
uhh.... i work for Microsoft
do you know what product group/family she's in?

>>105573203
When the fuck do you use modular indexing in fizzbuzz?

>>105573199
Don't lie to me. It's something you use from time to time not every day unless you're in certain fields and those fields are outliers.

>>105573207
not him but used to habe an evil woman director at m$ research some years back. She was removed rather fast and became a 'woman in finance' 3 weeks into a new job as director of ai at a major bank (totally unqualified too).
Microsoft in general loves hiring evil people in leadership roles

>>105573225
not sure if trolling.jpg

>>105573245
Feel free to enlighten me, prove that you aren't trolling yourself.

when ipv6 rolls out it's going to be a game changer.

>>105573207
E+D I think

>finally get interview
>it's going well
>show them my cool collection of modulars
>they're all unindexed
>get fired
it's over

>>105572890
I am a lazy, unsociable and mentally ill piece of shit from a poor and uneducated family. The fact that I managed to even get a somewhat good job is already more than could be expected of me.

Can I pass a remote AWS certificate exam by cheating? Or is it like, super hard to cheat at them

>"Anon are you coming to the summer party?"
>"No can't do, got big plans for that day"

>>105573511
thanks chatgpt very cool

>>105573622
I'm an extremely.smart, competent go-getter with a proven track record and advanced degrees from a middle class family. I could do your entire team's job better, faster and cheaper all on my own. Still can't get interviews

give it to me straight, how jeeted is scala? I had good xp a couple of years ago and would jump ship from Java, Sprong is killing me

>>105573736
You don’t sound like a team player. Rejected for giving me the ick.

>>105573793
There it goes. Even on /g/ they give me the same feedback as when applying to jobs. I am truly doomed

>>105573763
>scala
Why would you want to specialize in something nobody uses? Go apply to .NET positions or, if you‘re feeling especially gay, Rust positions.

>>105573488
oh shit.........

gooning during daily standup

>>105572586
>>105572943
I dont get why companies act so fucking fickle with us lately. Like they cant figure out if they should pull the trigger on you or not despite all the rounds you do. This humiliation ritual has got to stop. It sometimes feels like they are stalling too.

>>105574198
Because of the uncertain economic situation.

アンジェル kys troon get a life you spend 24/7 on steam forums

>>105574208
>Because of the uncertain economic situation.
>hires 5 $20/hr indians anyway
>could have just used that money to hire one or two good domestic people and be greater for it

>>105573690
me during summer
fuck summer

Have you done the needful today Anon?

Codex is pretty cool

Recruiters have disappeared

>>105573815
im already durga level when it comes to java, i can always fall back on that. But i was contacted about a scala position. Honestly, if scala a day keeps the jeet away that would be already enough, but im also functionally gay

is it normal that my big tech company allows any random microservice to access any one elses database / cache
we triggered an incident recently because we changed the representation of some shit in our redis and apparently some random team was querying it for data to show on the frontend without ever telling us
why is this even allowed

>>105574670
Are you hired as a security specialist?

>>105574670
Yes. Also common for fresh juniors to get full db access wirh fully unanonymized pii and so on and so forth. There is 0 security or privacy standard in big techs, big money and big lawyers protect then

>>105571053
>Gotta learn Postgres, what's the fastest way to become decent/knowledgeable in a few days?
by using it. that's it.
I have never retained anything I've simply read. you have to live it to learn it.

I don't know shit about MS SQL Server either, but I just fucking ape that shit and see what happens. Now I probably know it better than most faggots who claim to be 10yr experienced DBAs of this hot garbage.

hell, at least they documented TDS, I gotta give M$ jeets that. too bad Azure SQL is so subtly different... that's another problem though.

>>105574695
>>105574732
idgaf about security i just dont like having to release a deprecation notice every time i change a table column just because some schmuck decided to query it directly on their gay service

>>105574670
how do they have access to it to begin with. who is managing your shit? kek.

>>105574808
don't worry, with or without notice they'll still blame you

>>105574842
welcome to modern big tech. There is no process. It's amateur hour throughout the stack, 24/7

>>105574875
Called agile development. Once you cut out the part where you actually care, you adapt very quickly.

>>105574875
I... ya but, who's the fucking admin?
I don't get it.

I know I can troll retards by running nmap and finding insecure redis instances and stuff, but all my services like redis are either behind some k8s network policy lockout or have a fucking password set.

>>105574670
>dumb fucks argue this is sensible
Someone reviewed that PR and said lgtm

>C# dev
>havent used Java in ages
>got a java interview
>did code assessment
>aside from surprise spring stuff, most of the code was easy

I forgot how much Java is simialr to C#. Just a few syntaxical differences but mostly the same.

>>105574908
It depends a lot org to org and team to team but you usually give access to most if not the whole team and cross team access is by shared password that propagates from one guy getting it from asking another guy and sharing it with the world or such. There rarely is any kind of proper admin for stuff like that

>>105574942
I'm glad I'm such an aggressive hard ass about this stupid shit.
I also aggressively destroy shared "admin accounts" and shit too because of this.

just forcing everything to need kerberos would probably go a long way in controlling this shit, imo. sadly it's hard coordinating with AD retards + most software has half assed support.

"hello saar, we are looking for machine learning engineer in San Francisco location."
"..."
"Are you having experience in machine learning engineer?"
"Uhh..I did an internship in college?"
"Oh...you are not having experience in machine learning engineer...thank you"

>>105575088
you are supposed to make up whatever experience they require and get ranjesh to vouch for you when they call for reference saar

>>105574842
>how do they have access to it to begin with
>>105574908
>services like redis are either behind some k8s network policy lockout or have a fucking password
lol we have one megaredis instance the entire suborganization uses no joke
this taxi company with a name that vaguely means super or hyper has horrible architecture

>>105575166
Same at microsoft by the way. Not megaredis but close.

Why is everyone in this industry a dogmatic retard that thinks just because some dickhead wrote it on the internet it is the gospel

I wish I could get a vacation, visit someplace cool to completely detach from work stress and then study random interesting tech for a month

>>105575434
because people who can think are not welcomed on this field anymore

>>105575434
grok is this true

>>105571851
Nah, I'm probably gonna get all those days back with some creative accounting, they're willing to do that. I don't even mind postponing vacation sometimes, I'm just pissed they specifically told us to hold of with it.

>Oh, you don't know obscure question that is irrelevant to the job? *scoffs* Well, let's just move on
*doesn't hire you in your path*

>>105574670
it is very much sane, it also means it is rather uncommon in big tech. What would be the advantage if you had broken some api contract instead? exactly nothing
>but muh amazon mandate
imagine cargo culting jeff of all people mao

>>105575585
this is your golden ticket, start screenshotting the papertrail while consulting with a lawyer

>>105575788
>It is very much sane
No it isn't. You shouldn't depend on the internals of a product you don't have control over to be a particular way. You should rely on contracts and versioning. If there needs to be a hard break that should be communicated by that owning team so downstream consumers can plan accordingly.

>>105575863
>they deletes the data from the db
>the deleted the data from the db and the totally useless extra network call is not returning it

the database schema is a contract

>>105575905
It's a contract between the DBMS and the team that developed that product. Not between some unknown downstream consumer and the team developing that product. If you really want to eliminate a network call then you should coordinate with that product team on the issue. You shouldn't just rummage into their shit.

>>105575837
Kek, not a bad idea, but I'm a yuropoor, if I wanted to, I could milk the company to no end and when they run out of business do the same to government welfare.

we're cutting 50% of our support staff because of AI

>>105575690
>me when i got denied because i didnt know what was

>buyouts layoffs rto
q2 earnings are going to crash the market with no survivors, aren't they?

I failed that interview. Back to the mines for me

My contract is ending and I finally did it. I applied to one of those meme startups some celebrity CEO runs. Let's see how mean the rejection letter is.

Maybe I'll get excited again.

I'm just not gonna RTO

>>105569051
Airbnb's, house renting, and other side hustles.


Only idiots are left in job market hustle.

>>105572937
Politics killed the project I'd been on for a half decade. That project required US citizenship, so no jeets. Good news is I wasn't laid off. Bad news is the internal position they found for me is jeet-ran, meaning stupid deadlines, micromanaging, rudeness, tough accents, and a high percentage of jeet devs. I accepted for the paycheck, but am actively looking elsewhere.

>Four internships during college. Mostly working on non-trival shit.
>2.5 YoE on 2018-era SaaS slop web app.
>Stopped working on projects and got complacent. Life passed me by.
>Still have projects that are a couple years old (toy CRDTs implementations Rust, Golang projects that I used in research, some medium sized webapps I worked on in university.)
>Company I'm at is probably going to lay me off in ~3-4 months. Negative signals coming out of company.
>Started leetcoding like a week ago. Been waking up early doing 3-4 a day before and after work.

I know that juniors are being denied into the market now. Question is; with a sniff test would I pass the bar? I'm in Australia if that helps.

Is ConnectWise ran by pajeets?

the only way my attitude about the future could be changed is if trump announces tomorrow that he's sending half of h1b visas in tech back home. this country is such a joke that 50% of domestic software engineering jobs are held by immigrants. every day i think about this bullshit.

on a completely unrelated note, it only seems like every other week some very large company gets hit with massive cybersecurity attack causing millions in damages. i wonder if half our workforce coming from a country with an average iq of 70 has anything to do with that?

Move to Japan.

how many times do we NEED TO CIRCLE FUCKING BACK?????

>recruiter blasts my resume company wide
>teams are biting
>immediate behavioral and technical interview round
>they want me to move to California
you got to be fucking kidding me

>>105577871
let's put a pin in that and circle back

>>105577962
I want to move to california so bad but I'm stuck in the midwest

kill me

>>105578009
>enjoyed California
>enjoyed the midwest
>enjoy the east coast
deep south is shit
pnw just not my speed

>>105574933
>C# dev
>decide to make a java project to refresh myself
>hang on, why can I see all those variables from here? I thought I assigned them protected
>oh, right...

>>105577744
Most tech jobs are still held by white people:

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat18.htm

>>105575434
Process oriented versus results oriented.

>>105577691
If you're experienced you might be aright but the market's bad here too.

so... are all c# devs here pivoting to java or what?
t. c# dev

>project manager acts like a complete fucking dick to me in dms today
>ask my manager what the fuck is going on and why this fuck is being so passive aggressive suddenly
>says he has no idea, but gets director involved
>director downplays it all even though both me and manager have proof this dudes being a complete fucking ass to both of us
>do a bit of digging
>find out they came from the same company

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is

>>105578208
I'm not pivoting I just want to keep my options open. The more you know the better at the moment.

Hypothetically, would a nuclear war in the middle east increase or decrease my chance of getting a new job?

>>105578407
Well assuming israel is destroyed and their people end up being removed from our governments we'll see stronger borders which means less jobs but we'll also have less scam companies that sell nothing popping up that need devs. Probably a boon long term, short term you're definitely getting a job but you might not like the one you get.

>>105578476
*which means less jeets

i'm so fucking bored and without purpose that ww3 doesn't even sound that bad

>>105578407
Decrease
Oil prices have already shot WAY up, ~11% in the last 3 hours

>>105578676
Why would increasing oil prices make it less likely for tech workers to find a job?

>>105578676
>livestreams combat on twitch
Remember when redditors took photos of their bunker when they arrived in Ukraine and got the place bombed? (iirc it wasn't geolocating but Russia was able to identify the foreign simcards or some shit, I'm not a telcom dude I don't have a clue)

>>105578681
An 11% spike spooks markets. Higher oil prices raise fears of slowdown, so companies freeze hiring. Tech is risk sensitive and gets hit first.

>>105568137 (OP)
> interview with someone who ''schooled themselves'' into the profession from neuroscience to backend engineer
> only focuses on specific stack
> too stupid to realize that having a ms in CS and 5 years of work experience doing a large variery of tasks from backend engineering for on cloud / on prem, doing dashboarding, doing things with machine learning makes me able to pick up their antiquated SAS shit stack quite easily

Always these people who come outside of the field holding a job that is related to this field who are completely insufferable cunts. I do not want to work with them or even engage in discussion with them. They should jerk off in academia or go into physical engineering.

>>105578938
>from neuroscience to backend engineer
Why would you ever do that?
And why is a 5 YoE dude doing interviews?

God, is engineering for an audience stressful, but I can't deny that it feels nice to have people amazed at how fast you work
>t. had to go out to the manufacturing floor today

>>105578938
You're inventing a scenario to re-assure yourself.

>>105578994
>And why is a 5 YoE dude doing interviews?
The more YoE experience you have the more interviews you have, larper. You're more expensive and understand the industry better so questioning you is both more important and more productive.

>>105578994
>Why would you ever do that?
Because one is a meme that you brag to your mother about and the other is a real job that pays.

>>105578994
nta but one of my last jobs had a 1yoe guy doing interviews
the company was a complete shitshow and the person they hired was a complete retard, but still
it happens, even though it shouldnt
lazy management

>>105579179
Why are you saying this like 5 is a lot? We had a dude earlier ITT talking about how someone with 15 YoE didn't know shit.

>>105578090
>Nail salons are 40% Asian
What is going on here?

>>105578676
>>105578681
>>105578706
I'm going to short oil and make a ton of money just like the last time this happened.

>>105578090
>Most
Yeah, 60% (probably less than that considering America's natural demographics).
We've all seen the data that 40% are held by immigrants.

>>105579378
The problem with the BLS data is they're including management. If you look at just engineering it's 40% Asians.

>>105577962
Cali is comfy where else would you rather live?

>>105579642
go be a tranny somewhere else, like in hell. Oh wait!

>>105579680
It is wild how California literally burns all the time. God really does punish the fags with fire.

I'm probably going to be fired in the next couple of months
Not looking forward to looking for a new job, it's a tough market out there

>>105579693
Same but I've spent the past two years preparing so I don't care that much.

Funny how AI went from "dumb gimmick" to "how do I stop AI from stealing my job"

>In a morning standup
>manager responsible for the it/tech of a 10 000 man company doesn't know how rename files
>Got told to do it for him
Shoot me

>>105579920
Well just rename the files what's the big deal

>>105579877
take your meds, schizo

>>105579931
>Well just rename the files what's the big deal
Ok to clarify the issue was that he couldn't rename the file extension, it's an alien concept to him. When you have 30 years of IT experience and this is alien to you, you shouldn't have this kind of responsibility

>hey anon, could you please look into X
>sure, we can make it work with a slight a config change
>no anon, I was thinking about Y
>explain why X takes 1/10 of the time and produces vastly more accurate results
>ok anon, then please do Y

Then they expect you to do the retarded solution putting in some heroic effort just to approximate the sane one. I hate umanagers so much it's unreal bros. Go get an engineering degree if you so wish to do my job. Shouldn't be a problem, umanagers are expert at everything.

who /blacklisted/

>>105578048
As a non-American, the region of Washington-Oregon-Montana-Idaho sounds idyllic.
>>105578208
Ideally you know both as Java and C# share like 100% of the professional backend dev market.

>>105580052
Just have everything in writing so when shit hits the fan you have proof they were being retarded.

Congrats on the 1.000.000.000 repo GET, saar.
https://github.com/AasishPokhrel/shit

>>105579920
Like with command line or in windows? I could see not knowing the correct command line command.

Millennial devs be like: check out this funny gif!

>>105580542
grats!!! how do you know this is the billion repo sir?

>>105580542
kek
https://github.com/AasishPokhrel/shit/pulls

>>105580732
That sounds boomer to me.

>>105580844
https://api.github.com/repositories/1000000000

>>105580732
it is pronounced gif zoomer

>>105579877
It still can't do my job. Otherwise I'd let it.

>>105581186
>It still can't do my job
Neither can you

i hate you all, i hate computers, i even hate videogames now, RETVRN

>>105581274
Literally me.

where my WFH chads?
literally popped my first beer after the daily
fridays are meant for slacking off and drinking on the payroll

>>105581479
Cheers anon, I had a few already.
Did next to nothing this morning and plan to do even less this evening.
I also had a wank during a teams call.

>all of my coworkers getting into AI
>company updates internal policy allowing its use
>during troubleshooting meetings for work coworkers casually say "well i just asked chatgpt and it told me to do this"
>from my personal experience chatgpt is wrong like, 85+% of the time
>company hired some guy who specializes in AI

so uhhh
new bread?

>>105581743
@everyone

>>105581725
>>from my personal experience chatgpt is wrong like, 85+% of the time
Skill issue.

>>105581725
I have experienced this. But the best part of my company using AI is the CEO writing advertising emails using it because he has the writing skills of a 10 years old.
All in all, I like AI but I think it is about to span a massive horde of retards that just blindly take it as the word of Christ and have zero reasoning skills.

>>105581725
>>from my personal experience chatgpt is wrong like, 85+% of the time
Depends on how generic the question is. Ask it about some feature of javascript and you're going to get a solid response. Ask it about an obscure algorithm and you'll see it piss and shit all over the screen.

What's my best bet if I want to get out of frontend web dev? I hate desing, designers and the modern web.

>>105581867
so actually, that's exactly when it is wrongest. The vaguer the question the better the answer because there is no valid answer

>>105581986
>>105581986
>>105581986

>>105573402
IPv6 is a meme at this point.