Thread 105568800

anime belongs in /a/ edition

>>105512922

Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

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>>105568800 (OP)
what do i get after a t480.

>>105569884
t14gen2

>>105569281
This is really sad. Maybe it's time to let go.

>>105569281
just give up
the poorfags cannot afford the new thinkpads
there is nothing to discuss anymore

At what gen do the T14s start to have 10+ hour battery life?

>>105570587
>the poorfags cannot afford the new thinkpads
Old thinkpas can cost just as much as newish (used)
I sold my T601 (fully upgraded with IPS LED screen, 8GB RAM, modern wifi etc) for more than enough money to buy T480 (1080p, no custom upgrades) or early X1 series (4K screen, 32GB ram)
Guess which of the last two is cheaper

>>105570635
iirc that was at 11th gen intel (or same gen amd)

>>105570587
I bought a P14s Gen 5 AMD.
It's nice.
Not much to say about it really since i can't flash coreboot on it.

How much would you pay for a T14s gen 1 with an Ryzen 7? It was my understanding that gen3+ can come with a CPU with a better iGPU? Unless the Ryzen 7 pro is perfectly fine.

>>105571796
For an apu, vega and rdna1 had surprisingly close efficiency. rdna only scales better at desktop gaming chip sizes.

>>105571796
No more than 300€, provided it has a decent screen.

I can't find much info on this E14 I inherited from an old job, aside from a general sentiment that the E series isn't very good. Anyone want to clue me in on why that is? Is this thing even worth messing with?

how do the intel thinkpads compare to the amd thinkpads nowadays? I would prefer to get an amd machine, but they're all intel now.

Which modern thinkpad has a good basic gpu option, just the P series right?
I need something more powerful than iris xe though a full on mobile 4070 or whatever is excessive

>>105570946
Look at you, you can upgrade your ram whenever you want.
Your PCB is black.
You can even upgrade your battery since the Gen 6 has a 57Wh battery that you could swap in.
Down the road if you feel like, you can even swap in the 12 core Ryzen 9 HX 370 (890M GPU) from the Gen 6 into your chassis.
You have a guaranteed 5MP webcam.
You have a great ThinkPad, Coreboot is for trannies.

>>105569884
Anything with AMD cpu, that's it.

>>105572301
>has to disassemble the entire motherboard just to replace keyboard
never ever is the E series worth it.

>>105568800 (OP)
Today i'm back having a Thinkpad (P16 gen 3) as my main laptop, it's my third one in my lifetime (SL410 and E431, both used in HS and College respectively, many years ago).

>>105572997
Don't kid yourself, none of you fuckers have ever replaced any actual parts in your ThinkPads

>>105573788
There is no P16 Gen 3.

>>105574356
P16s gen 3, sorry.

>>105572988
This is only true for the 2022 Ryzen 6000 series Rembrant chips.
Everything after has been high idle wattage inefficient bullshit from AMD.
Right now, the latest AMD and Intel mobile chips (Lunar Lake and Strix Point) are basically matched in CPU performance, battery life, and iGPU performance.
AMD did an Intel and didn't progress much.

>>105574388
What are the specs?

>>105574312
Some people aren't rich enough to throw their laptop away when they spill water on it

>>105574312
I have replaced my T450's keyboard and added extra ram in it, motherfucker I was almost swindled to buy a T450s a few years back until I realized that the keyboard layout is a little different and then I knew that it can't be easily replaced if it broke. I even asked in here whether my T450's keyboard is acting up because only certain keys are not working and not an entire half.
XXXs Thinkpads and E-series are not worth it for the hassle of keyboard replacement at all.

>>105574686
>motherfucker I was almost swindled to buy a T450s a few years back until I realized that the keyboard layout is a little different
Wasn't T460(s) the first generation where s and non-s had different keyboards?

>>105574839
Then I almost got swindled twice, because seller was saying it was T450s. The keyboard is not separated from the chassis at all, no way I misremembered this because that's when I knew that not all Thinkpads have easily replaceable keyboards and now I've been wary when buying one. No E-Series, no XXXs, no Carbons, nothing whose keyboard is not easily replaceable.

>>105574654
>some people are not rich enough
>be retarded enough to drink water over your laptop
Figures.

can some EU anon recommenced me a good site that sells refurbished thinkpads, thanks

what is a best thinkpad a money can buy? Ideally with network scanner and libreboot capabilities and newest ryzen and monitor panel technology and made to last 30 years at least?

>>105568800 (OP)
i said fuck it and got soemthing nice. X1 Yoga Gen 8. 64 gigs ram, 4k screen, gray case but it's got a red shell that matches the clit.

it's truly an amazing machine and surprisingly able to handle basic ollama for gemma 27b

>>105575284
Probably a p17 but the 16s has replaceable ram

>>105575238
AMSO sells off lease ThinkPads.

>>105568800 (OP)
>anime belongs in /a/ edition
so.

fucking.

based.

>>105575284
>>105575536
i forgot to mention i have a budget of 500ish

I have had a P16s for 2 years now, will be moving to T14.
Fuck the numpad, fuck off-center keyboard.
Z16 is not an option because that device has no repairability.

Best 2 in 1 under $200?

>>105575827
anime website

I already have a x13 gen 3 and want a even smaller laptop since I travel a lot, are there any viable <13in laptops?

Only requirement is good battery life and doesn't run like shit with linux

>>105576277
X13 yoga gen 1 (13")
X1 Yoga Gen 4 (14")

>>105576978
How do you feel about tabletshit with a detachable keyboard? I'm not sure if anybody makes a proper clamshell in sub-13" sizes unless you get into weird AliExpress chinkshit laptop brands.

>losers complain about soldered ram
>lenovo brings back socketed ram
>losers complain about worse battery life due to socketed ram
These people are retarded.

>>105577347
>4chan is one person

>>105577360
yes

>z13 too small for me
>t16 too big for me
will t14 be just right?

>>105577382
It could be. But just because a thing is between two other things doesn't mean it will be. It may simultaneously be too big to be as portable as you want and too small to have a comfortably-scaled high-res screen. Pick the correct tool for the job.

>>105568800 (OP)
>>105568800 (OP)
Good sites to purchases a good refurbished T14? Aside from Ebay obviously.

Also haven't met a Thinkpad with an AMD processor was wondering what models to look.

Anime site

>>105577646
ywnbaw

Whats the closest I can get to the IBM mech keyboards in a modern model? I tire of chiclet cuck keyboards.

>>105577853
Good.

>>105576277
L13 Yoga Gen 2
Latitude 5320 2-in-1

>>105569884
I got T480 stuff like a keyboard cover, I'm wondering about a screen protector because mine is touchscreen.

does anyone bother to do screen protectors on laptop screens like they do on smartphones?

>>105577976
If by modern you mean new, then none of them. It's over. The question isn't if, but how much you want to cuck on keyboard feel.

Every few years they reduce the key travel to make them thinner but they try and make up for it by making them snappier. Shooting from the hip, people have complained most recently about the keyboard in the T14G3, so you might want to stick with the T14G2 for the most recent cuckboard that at least isn't as bad as the newer ones. X1 Carbon and X series usually get the thinner keyboards a model or two ahead of the T series, if not earlier.

The T480 is 7 years old, it is an old thinkpad, you can't call it "newish". Actual new Thinkpads start are $1k+.

>>105578627
meant to reply to
>>105570651

>>105578587
There was an x230 at my work.
I opened it up and typed on it.
Not even the T480 comes close to how good the old keyboards were.
I miss when 12.5 inch laptops had 94Wh batteries.
Battery life is just as shit as the old days cause they just make the batteries smaller now.

>>105569823
Lelnovo Legions are good though, I have 2 of them.

>>105578386
If you use it in public, then you may want to get a privacy filter.

i remember really wanting an x61 tablet when I was in highschool. then I bought one just before covid from an ewaste watto and it was kind of underwhelming. I'm kind of shocked if anyone actually ever used it as a tablet because it weighed so much.

>>105579443
Although I would rarely use a convertible as a tablet, are there any current thinkpad convertibles/2in1s from the thinkpad product range that are decent

good gaming laptop for 600$ and can play elden ring nightreign?

>>105579531
Optiplex with a 580 rx

>>105579443
I had one in uni and used it as a tablet for mostly handwritten notes all the time, but I had an open sleevel/case with strap designed to support its weight while using it with one hand

>>105579489
X1 Yoga line is not inherently worse than X1 Carbon or T14s lines. Do you consider soldered ram and slim keyboard decent?
Personally I don't mind either, on the contrary the tactile click on modern keyboards feels better than mushy squish on T440 ~ T480 gens. Still way worse than classic T61 though.

>>105579797
>Do you consider soldered ram and slim keyboard decent?
Honestly IDK what is even available these days, haven't shopped for a laptop for more than a decade. I don't even know if slotted RAM is even available. Obviously, having upgrade options would be great, even though alegedly soldering saves up some battery life.
Not sure what you mean by a slim keyboard, like layout-wise or particularly shallow ones with no key travel?

>>105580004
>soldering saves up some battery life
LPDDRX is very different from normal DDR and while more power efficient it can't be slotted in normal SODIMM slots. Recently there's LP-CUDIMM sockets trying to solve it, and normal DDR trying to improve its efficiency.
>particularly shallow ones with no key travel
Yes this.

>>105580116
>LPDDRX is very different from normal DDR and while more power efficient it can't be slotted in normal SODIMM slots. Recently there's LP-CUDIMM sockets trying to solve it, and normal DDR trying to improve its efficiency.
Interesting, didn't know this. Still, there's probably reasons why some laptops prefer to have it soldered. The ones I look into are usually 13" or even smaller, maybe the form factor is a restriction there.
>particularly shallow ones with no key travel
yeah, not a fan if something is so shallow that it doesn't even have some scissor mechanism. I'm ok with current macbook pro keyboards, although they're nothing to write home about, but the thinkpad keyboards from circa 2012 are some of the best keyboards I have ever used.

>>105578386
>keyboard cover
What for?

Huffing ultra heavy copium for LPCAMM2 to catch on. If it does, it'll mean that we'll get:
>upgradeable RAM
>at low power draw
>with extra mobo space
>potentially bringing back slots for both WLAN and WWAN on one board
Looking at my L14 G5's mobo it's clear that there wasn't much space to shove in another M.2 slot for the WLAN module so they just soldered it, while the two SODIMM slots take up most of the real estate. It's not even about the thickness anymore, Lenovo dialed it back just right. The sooner we get LPCAMM2 to supersede SODIMM the sooner we'll get the possibility for some really solid ChinkPads to be made.

>>105580116
>>105580159
Oh right, not CUDIMM, I meant CAMM

>>105581252
We won't get any meaningful slotted wlan on intel, all the important digital parts are literally inside the cpu now.
Desktop motherboards have CNVio slot to sell models with and without radio module.
It looks like M.2 but it's not M.2

hp elitebook.

what can I put into the pc express slot in the x220
I've got a smart card reader- what is it for?

>>105581252
>muh LPCAMM2
Nigger stfu, take a look at the inside of a T16, it's mostly empty space.
If they wanted to, they could have added more slots. SODIMM isn't in the way of anything.

What are the keys between my arrow keys and right shift key on my X220 for?

>>105582181
nigga...

>>105582202
You probably don't even know you dumdum

>>105582128
It's not about space retard, you just can't put LPDDR on a SODIMM slot, the topology is all different

Does anyone play games on those?

>>105582648
it runs doom if that's what you're asking

>>105582691
Any recommendations anon?

I spent a lot on a new ThinkPad, now I feel guilty.
I should spend at most $400.

>>105582278
smart frog

What's the smallest available 2-in-1 Thinkpad (or HP/Dell equivalent) that's been made in the last 5 years? I want to replace my shitty Samsung tablet and my older Thinkpad with something that can do both roles.

Greetings my fellow ThinkChuds
>t420
>i7-2760QM
>16GB RAM
>SSD
>1080p screen
>Debian
I am the king of /tpg/

>>105586227
All companies replaced their normal "12 inch display" lines with smaller bezels on 13 inch screens
The Thinkpad X12 detachable is significantly more expensive than the X13 Yoga Gen 2 and especially the L13 Yoga Gen 2 laptops that have close specs (but perform better due to better cooling)

Is this a placeholder to fill the hole? How do I know if a Yoga laptop comes with a stylus without asking?

>>105586691
nvm, just looked into it more and saw that the slot filler is smooth while the actual pen has "holes" like this

immensely disappointed that i'll never find a $10 thinkpad at a goodwill because i refuse to go into poverty shops.

>>105586548
Is there any specific reason for going with the Gen 2 Yogas, and any major difference between the L13 and X13 models? I'd prefer to go with something cheaper, but only if it can outperform the A285 I currently daily.

>>105586450
>2nd gen in a T420
epic fail
install coreboot and get a better CPU

>>105588759
Eventually I will. For the moment it might only be a 2nd gen CPU but it still beats the crap out of the i5-2520m the laptop came with. Before replacing the proc I thought the machine had about met its match with the modern web but the extra cores straightened it out

Good morning

>>105589010
Wish they made these with a nipple

I removed the 3G card from the mSATA port in my X220, what can I replace it with that is not an SSD? Is a 4G card an option? Anything else niche?

>>105589136
>x220
obsolete, upgrade to a x230

>>105589153
it's not my main pc bruv

>>105589136
>mSATA
>3G card
It's calle mPCIe and I'm not sure there ever were combo/switchable mPCIe/mSATA slots, all the laptops I've seen had them strictly separate

>>105589366
xx20 thinkpads support msata ssds

I've just picked up a intel 11 Thinkpad e14 gen2 and a 5060Ti I intend to use as a eGPU using the razer chroma x enclosure.

If I intend to play a little and daily drive for various tasks should I go with windows 11 or 10?

>>105589649
Go with Gentoo

>>105589649
>new chinkshit
>windows
back to plebit && never set foot in this general again

>>105586227
You are a pedo

>>105589153
what's the point? A slightly better CPU but the keyboard is worse and the digital video output is retarded

>>105568800 (OP)
Where do I get replacement X220T batteries that aren't total pieces of shit. The last one I got off ebay only lasts 1-2 hours.

>>105591394
>xhe bought counterfeit
just go with a third-party battery

Sars, I have redeemed the StinkPad.

>>105590992
Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me

I need to get back in to this stupid hobby

Look at this cute thing. I got it for 240€. Will install GNU/Linux on a usb ssd soon.

>>105592691
>240€ for an 8th gen intel machine
you got scammed

Posting from my 2014 T440s (I'm white)

>>105592691
>X1 G3
>1200x800
???

>>105582648
My i5 T480 runs PCSX2 well enough. Occasional slowdowns but not severe.

>>105592726
Hi White, I'm Dad

>>105589010
>nips have 3:2 as standard for their domestic laptops
why can't lenovo do the same? goy are already willing to pay the premium

>>105568800 (OP)
Which of the cheap ThinkPads can run Windows 11?

>>105594089
I think n01 series (W701, X201 etc etc) are the earliest with POPCNT-capable CPU

>>105594122
Thanks!

I bought an used asus laptop 5 years ago but it is starting to break for real this time, i think it has motherboard damage, it has a ryzen 5 3500u and 8gb of ram, what kind of thinkpad should i look for if i want an increase in performance? I bought it for like 350 dollars and that is my budget this time too.

>>105594089
install gentoo

>>105594294
R7 T14 G2,

>>105594303
>install gentoo
I need a Windows laptop for my dad who will use it to run a CAM program to run his cheap CNC mill. Software uses Windows. I'd rather buy something that can run Win 11 so it lasts a few years.

>>105594369
seems hard to find

>>105594412
Look around everywhere you can, It's the best thinkpad 350 bucks can get you.
Get an R7 L14 G2/R7 T14 G1 with a good screen if you absolutely can't wait any longer.

>>105593853
X1 Titanium has 3:2.

It also has a terrible keyboard and CPU throttling issues, I hear.

>>105591198
That doesn't answer my question.

I like most everything about my T450s. Low wattage proc but fast enough (unlike the T440), decent screen, portable, etc. The only thing I don't like is the absolutely disgusting sound quality. Even my T420 blows it out of the water. The only thing marginally worse is the speakers in my X230 but that's to be expected. That said my P50 is much better but it's too big for portability. Question is, what is the oldest 14 inch Thinkpad that has decent speakers, at least as good as the P50? Thank you for your attention to this matter

>>105595413
Shit, I meant oldest but newer than the T450s

>>105595413
No such things as decent laptop speakers. It is simply impossible to fit anything decent in them.

>>105595421
Highs and midtones sound decent on my Z13, but still nothing compared to my 35€ IEMs.

Do any anons have experience with eBay disputes? I bought a laptop listed as "for parts / not working" that stated in the listing, broken keyboard and missing SSD. It's BIOS locked which wasn't mentioned, so it's useless, and I suspect it's stolen due to removal of all identifying barcodes. What are my chances of getting my money back?

>>105596266
MacBook Pro has pretty damn good speakers but other than that, yes I agree
>>105596818
I had to file a dispute on a motherboard when the bum ass seller switched the one I bought with a much shittier one. eBay almost always takes the buyer's side. Your odds of getting a refund approach 100%

>>105596737
Z13?

I bought a X13 Gen 4 AMD 7640u 16gb.
Only issue is small 41Wh battery, will have to order from Hong Kong.

>>105568800 (OP)
yo kinda crazy that windows doesn't support the update to 11 on my thinkpad a485
i forced the update though
had to move from linux to windows because the performance gap on my eink monitor
thoughts on the kind of issues i may have for forcing the update to windows 11 (formatting it and installing from usb drive)

>>105568800 (OP)
Someone just tell me what thinkpad to get.
I want to get 2, one for school and one for personal use

>>105598263
https://www.ebay.com/itm/277204171967
https://www.ebay.com/itm/187318386923
Are these worth it? Should I just get 2 of the X280s or get the X280 for personal use and the T14S for school?

>>105598290
https://www.ebay.com/itm/376336384020
or hows this one

>>105597537
>Only issue is small 41Wh battery,
just keep it plugged in

>>105598418
>>105598290
fuck it i just bought 2 t420's

>>105568800 (OP)
is a 2018 x280 ok? I7 - 1.8 ghz model with 12 inch screen. I can get it for $250.
Sucks its got soldered ram, but could i get a pc shop to put more ram on it?

>>105599177
>screen
Only good if FHD IPS.
>I can get it for $250
Too expensive, should be around $150.
>could i get a pc shop to put more ram on it?
Would cost more than the laptop itself. Just get one with 16GB already soldered.

>>105599253
The screen is fhd ips.
Thanks anon wi keep looking.

>>105598497
Or get one of those portable hand grenade that is a power bank.

>>105598903
based

>>105599921
oh yeah you could do that too, haven't thought of that. i generally look at powerbanks as waste of money as, well, you never go to a place with no electricity now, don't you

A lot of my T14 Gen 5 parts come in today, all from Lenovo direct.
I like buying from Lenovo because my parts always arrive in exactly 2 days.

Unfortunately my power button and IO board won't come in until Tuesday, and they were expensive, even from a third party eBay seller.
Kind of retarded that the power button is a separate daughterboard, literally no physically power switch on the mobo itself.
Speaking of mobo, the heatsink is one big single pipe, pretty impressive.

>>105600682
Are you building a whole laptop from parts?

>>105598903
>T420
Don't forget to upgrade the screen to 1080p, HDD to SSD, RAM to 16GB, BIOS to CoreBoot, and CPU to third gen quad core i7. Yes, all this will cost more than buying a newer laptop but remember this is a hobby and you're just trying to have a good time, not save money. Enjoy

>>105600682
>Kind of retarded that the power button is a separate daughterboard, literally no physically power switch on the mobo itself.
The no physical power switch is a shitty thing but wouldn't having it be a separate daughter board better for future replacements? Just in case?

>>105600701
Yeah. I found a cheap mobo and so I thought I'd just get everything else I need.
The only cool things are the larger 57Wh battery that I've taken from the unreleased 6th Gen, and the 1600p 120hz DCI-P3 IPS panel that I got for it (B140QAN03.H).

>>105600733
Sure, but that still doesn't stop you from having a switch somewhere on the mobo that will power it on too, as the reset button doesn't seem to power on the unit on the modern ThinkPads anymore.
The power button and IO board with all it's cables cost half of what the motherboard cost me, and that was the best deal I could find, it would have cost $40 more getting it from Lenovo.

I am thinking of collecting an amount of 14 laptops now. Fuck.

i hate how the quality of the keyboard and touchpad entirely depends on the manufacturer
reviewers be like, "the keyboard on the newer model sucks!", when really they just got the shitty Sunrex/Transimage keyboard instead of the LiteOn keyboard

>>105600997
and that shouldn't ever happen especially on business class appliances.

>>105600867
>from the unreleased 6th Gen
It has already released everywhere BUT the USA.

>>105601063
You're thinking of the T14s, this is the T14.

Nowadays if I want to buy a new laptop (and I don't want to), my first choice are Chromebooks since Linux laptops are still too pricey.
I find it icky to run Linux on an ex-Windowed machine.

>>105601063
>>105601142
Not released in Poland.

Sorry if it's a bad place to ask but I don't think it's worth a separate thread
Thinking of buying Lenovo LOQ 15 with Ryzen 7 and a 4060 for gaming, video editing, and AIslop generation.
Is it alright for those things?

>>105601421
of course it is, why wouldn't it be? maybe a little iffy on AI as I'd rather have a desktop for that but that's completely okay.

>>105595413
Wear headphones you stupid nigger. A wireless Bluetooth set with "terrible" sound quality will absolutely mog any laptop speaker ever made.

>>105601160
The primary function of a general purpose computer is to automate some process. The fact that you can't fully automate the GUI of a Chromebook means it is not a general purpose computer and is in fact worthless e-waste.

>>105601142
Why do they all have MediaTek WLAN cards?
Do only burgers get the better QUALCOMM chips?

>>105602662
it's intel or bust for me, both mtk and qcm can fuck off

>>105602695
The qualcom chips actually do a little better than the intel chips, some framework redditor tested them both.

>>105600682
Also I don't have any ram.
Gonna order some off Amazon.
How much should I get?

>>105588263
>Is there any specific reason for going with the Gen 2 Yogas
I used them as examples because they're close in performance to the X12 detachable, but they also have the best price/performance right now. The generation after that should get cheaper in a month or two as companies replace their Thinkpads again
Also, keep in mind that the RAM is soldered in these models so you will have to avoid anything with 8GB.

>>105594743
why are these models considered to be inferior to the T14?

>>105603392
T14 G1 has worse battery life with the same size battery. L14 G2 has a physically smaller battery and is also thicker and heavier.

he's a pro tip
if the thinkpad model no longer has the silver badge on the palmrest, then do not buy

copped a T15G (i7-10750H / 8gb 2070 / 32gb) for about $700.
i expect a huge block that i’ll put on an aluminium stand and hope that it’s quieter than any of the gayming laptops i used.

the reason i got it is that i need to test some things here and now instead of cloud gpu usage. wake me when using a cloud gpu for resource usage is as simple as connecting via ssh. but an example i read was terrible in terms of time spent of getting any result you want. so there is a play area between one-time usages and setting local-cloud pipelines.
is 8gb still the bare minimum to mess around with huge llms or image generation? or has the average reqs been raised?

and if there are any bad news about this model, give it to me doc

die

My x13 Gen 1 AMD seems to have a problem which I didn't have last week, my F1 seemingly presses on its own but it never had this problem before. Has anyone else encountered this problem? I just updated everything through windows and lenovo vantage.

>>105586450
Incorrect

>>105607116
>not x230
retard

>>105586450
Objectively, I am, but it doesn't matter

>>105607116
>1366x768
>Celeron
I kneel

>>105609270
cute

>>105607806
>discord button on taskbar

What's a good idle temp for unmodded T440p idling at a tty?

>>105607116
>mc
Even though I'm a Windowsfag, based OFMchad

>>105569884
MacBook Pro

>>105609381
It's installed by default on that distro

>>105607116
>antix
faggot

thoughts on AMD powered ThinkPads?
I have an A485 but sometimes the AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 2500U is too much of a bottleneck for development and processing of lots of data, even with 32GB RAM
nowadays all CPUs are soldered directly to the motherboard making it very hard to replace it
and still I'd be limited to the Zen architecture, meaning that even if I wanted to remove and solder a new CPU the best I would get that is architecture-compatible is the Ryzen 7 PRO 2700U which is... not that much of an upgrade

>>105610673
>amd
shit, just stick with intel

>>105610673
Sad that they retired the T470/T480 design so early. AMD really shines in the T14 G1/G2 but those go all-in on thinness and have undersized batteries.

What’s a good regular ass thinkpad that has an OK igpu, basic dgpu or apu?
Something more than HD620.
Price isn’t a big concern but sub $500
Ideally more portable than less, I’d buy a P50 with an M2000m and do everything I need but I’d have an hour of battery life.
I’m leaning towards low end P14 variants

>>105572678
>coreboot is for trannies
>/tpg/ used to constantly shill for coreboot
Anon, this "X is for trannies" bit is getting old.

>>105581252
>>105582128
Anon, LPCAMM2 isn't about space, it's about signal integrity for DDR5, the space saving is a fact of needing less trace length for the ram.

>>105611515
It's about both. SODIMM's force the laptops to be thicker and limit the amount of real estate on the motherboard. SODIMM's also are getting too outdated for the speeds DDR5 is reaching. This ends up forcing manufacturers to solder the RAM not out of greed, but out of necessity. LPCAMM2 solves all those issues, meaning manufacturers can still give us modular RAM and they can make their shit super thin. It's a win-win if LPCAMM2 gets utilized to it's fullest potential.

>>105605256
>didn't say what GPU
I mean, it's pretty fucking loud too, but the heat has to go somewhere, it cools better than my P1 gen4, but performs around the same
t. has T15g gen2 11800H + 3070 and P1 gen4 11850H + 3070

Speaking of,
I was thinking of installing fedora on my P1 gen4, I like it on my X1c10 but I really don't want to have to fight nvidia drivers ;_;
Are nvidia drivers (including switchable mode) still fucked on linux?

>>105595269
interesting hope it gets more mainstream

>>105607806
What phones?

>>105607345
fuck off moron

>>105613263
xq-bc42
random iphone probably se2

Just bought this for $450 am I a retard? Is it worth upgrading the gpu from HD3000 to HD4000? What else do I need to do to it. Mostly got it for photoshop on the go maybe some vidya

>>105613678
if it does not have cracks it should be an okay price

>>105613678
yes that is retarded

basic t420 goes for 40-60€
ips versions for 130-200

Holy shit you’re not even joking.
Yeah this was dumb as hell. You could’ve diy’d this for half the cost. A cleanish higher end T420 plus that panel and the edp adapter…
This is the kind of mod you do when you’re just trying to fuck around, do it because you can. Not because it’s worth doing, a 14” 1440p panel is questionably usable? Nothing this machine is capable of will do well in 1440p. I guess it’ll look good for 1440p video playback but then it’s a 14” display, it won’t really be that noticeable over 1080p.
And they did nothing else to it mod wise to really make it worth that kind of money. A $400+ T420 in my eyes needs to have all the off the shelf basic mods done do it, usb type c power is a $20 mod, a processor with hd4000 is kind of just expected at this price, not something you should add yourself.

If this is disposable money for you, sure. But you could’ve gotten a more fleshed out modded T420 for less money. This is basically just overpaying for a situationally useful 1440p display.
This tanks your battery life too.

>>105614363
>>105613920
>>105614435
LOL sorry for my retardation. I am somewhat folly with my purchases. Im a normie from facebook and this is my first non macbook laptop. I liked it, have the extra money and so I got it. I justified the price with not having to do any of the mods myself and also I have another craptop i plan on selling for atleast $300. Oh well you live and you learn. Thanks for feedback

>>105614969
The screen and the SSD do cost some money so you're not scammed.
You need to buy a i7-3610QM to power that 1440p screen though.

>>105607009
take the keyboard out and clean off the ribbon cable contacts with a piece of strong tape, sometimes there's splooge on the ends for some reason

>>105615345
I'll try that, thanks.

stinkpad

>>105615204
will do! might as well do the gpu as well cause i plan to keep it for as long as i can

At what point do integrated graphics get good enough to run 3-10 year old AAA games at low to medium quality? I know Intel caught up to AMD with some of their chips, I just haven't really followed that stuff closely.

>>105616316
right now. rx570 8gb at most on the AMD igpus on laptops. like 5 years ago pcbg told me that wasn't possible but amd made it work.

>>105581059
to at least not get dust on the keyboard

>>105616316
Both Intel and AMD iGPU are evenly matched, reaching about RX 570 level of performance.
DDR RAM speed is their only bottleneck so you have to find >8000 MT/s soldered ram to reach closer to their full potential.

Is there any anon that can recommend a solid 15" thinkpad (used) around 700 eur?

i got a used t480 and dont know the bios password, if the seller isnt able to get back to me with it what are my options? is it difficult to physically reset it?

>>105589010
おはよう!

Opinions on ES thinkpads? Way cheaper than retail units.

>>105616620
>>105616363
Is that only the latest CPUs that have such performance? I'd love to upgrade from my A285 but it's hard to justify dropping AU$2-3k on a piece of hardware.

>>105619298
Not really, my T14 Gen 1 runs Skyrim and GTA5. I don't really play that many games on it though. I mostly use it to play emulators at friends houses and to dick around in Linux. I kind of wish I would've waited a bit for one of the newer ones to be about $300 though. It's not that substantial of an upgrade from my old T495, all things considered.

>>105619298
No, 680m, 780m GPU on Ryzen 7 models in: G3/G4 T14, T14s, X13s.
T14 G3 is almost 3 years old, I think.
680m in the T14 is good for about 25-30 fps on maxed settings in 1200p in Tomb Raider, GTA5 and Far Cry 5, probably medium to high settings in Cyberpunk.

>>105618920
It's fucked. Return it/get a refund.

What's the performance difference between an undervolted/clocked more powerful CPU and a less powerful CPU running normally? I'm thinking of replacing a 4200M with a 4702MQ.

>>105613678
In my area T420 with those specs, 1440p panel and upgrade kit would cost you more than that (and nobody is selling assembled units), but imo second gen intel is not worth it no matter how good the screen and keyboard are.
For reference $450 got me this X1 Titanium with i7-1180G and that's still considered overpriced.

>>105614363
>a 14” 1440p panel is questionably usable
~200dpi is the perfect laptop dpi without scaling

>>105616316
For Intel the only major turning point was Xe starting with 11th gen, everything before is shit, everything after is all the same. Coincidentally 11th gen is the last one without cuck cores, AND the first to get 16:10 screen (though only on X1 series, not on T14)
For AMD every Ryzen gen got incrementally better GPU, but the most notable is switch from VEGA to RDNA on 6*** series. But RDNA actually has worse power efficiency, especially idle, so you get 150% performance at ~66% battery life of 5*** APUs

>>105568800 (OP)
What's the oldest/cheapest thinkpad to play PS2 at 720p 30 fps?
X230?

>>105621631
Pretty significant in multicore, not so much in single.

>>105619225
Where do I buy one

>>105621879
just buy a PS2?

>>105619225
Sometimes they just work, sometimes some slots or ports are permanently disabled or not present at all, sometimes bios is stuck with major bugs and can't be updates.

How do I remap the keys between shift and ma arrow keys to change tabs instead of webhistory?

>>105621762
Is TGL as housefire as they say?
I've been actively avoiding Intel anything below ADL.

>>105624703
12th-14th is the housefire gens

>bought an upgrade lcd
>blew the backlight fuses on two of my thinkpads
nice

What should I get from a choice of
>T14 G2 Ryzen 5 5650u, 16GB
>T14s G2 Ryzen 7 5850u, 16GB
>P14s G2 i7-1185G7 + Quadro T500 16GB
>All have a 500GB SSD, 1080p display and are around $200.
I mostly want a cheap beater that's lightweight, has good battery life and decently durable.
I'm leaning towards the T14s because it's the lightest, has the best processor and battery, and is all aluminium, but I'm kind of worried about being stuck with 16GB of RAM.
What do you guys think?

>>105619298
You can always opt to wait for prices to go down.

>>105625936
>but I'm kind of worried about being stuck with 16GB of RAM
Just install Win 10 LTSC IoT.

>>105625936
>16GB of RAM
If the laptop has only an iGPU, your computer will dynamically allocate 4-8GB ram for video memory.
So you only have 8 GB ram to work with.

>>105626039
>Win 10 LTSC IoT.
That looks pretty based.
Are there actually any driver issues or problems running programs?
Or is that just fear mongering.

>>105626089
Fuck, I didn't think about that, I've been using a desktop only for so long.
I might need to do some research and think about this.

I took out 2gb of ram out of my x220 to get more battery life

I now have 4gb and I never use more than 2gb so I'm thinking about downgrading to 2gb total just for teh lulz...

2gb of ram on a daily driver, in 2025, so when someone complains about their 16gb not being enough I could laugh

>>105626203
That baiting nigger is bullshitting you.

>>105626228
What OS are you running?
And yeah, I do think 16GB should be enough, and if it isn't I can probably resell it for the asking price and get the T14 instead.

>>105626267
>what os are you running?
arch + xfce
also windows 7 but it doesn't work most of the time
I think coreboot fucked something up

>>105626253
Why would I go on the Internet and tell lies?

>>105616620
>DDR RAM speed is their only bottleneck so you have to find >8000 MT/s soldered ram to reach closer to their full potential.
Which models even have RAM that fast?

>>105626289
Ah, Ok. Some programs I need only run on windows, so I'm out of luck there.
I guess I could dual boot and only use windows for specific things, but that might be a pain.

>>105626368
Dualbooting is a pain. I've been dualbooting for 5 years now, it sucks ass. If you have a choice- don't do it.

>>105626353
Exist, but stuck on overpriced laptop

>>105626525
I fucking hate HPs, they are so shit and unreliable.

>>105576978
i have the x13 gen 2, and I really like it, but it keeps crashing on me. some hardware issue I think... waiting for 6.16 so I can get that Ryzen restart error reporting on startup.

>>105626676
What does the crash say? Have you tried troubleshooting?

Anyone here have experience with the X1 Nano? It looks like a good successor to my X230.

>>105627212
get the 2nd gen

>>105613678
fuck these haters. enjoy your T420 and don't worry about the price. people don't do this to save money

>>105615654
Make sure laptop has already core boot though.
If not, don't do it.