Thread 105571162

You literally have no reason to not be running Devuan GNU+Linux as your daily driver.

but there is artix

>plebian
>but somehow even more of a nuisance

is this one of those distros that get maintained by one troon and abandoned as soon as they ack

>>105571162 (OP)
debian supports non-systemd install what's even the point of this?

>>105571192
packages are stripped of systemd so you dont accidentily infect your system. you can never be too safe from the systemd menace

there are some dummy files in devuan that have systemd in the name. even their presence is deeply disturbing, as if poettering will come to life on your machine. like a zombie lying on the ground, that you know deep down is going to spring alive and bite your leg the minute you walk near it.

>>105571215
First X, then systemd. What do zoomers have against systemd?

t. using Linux since the '90s

>>105571162 (OP)
i have a reason, i value my time

>>105571254
it makes the admin of a linux system, complicated. instead of checking /var/log you need to remember the syntax for journalctl. instead of check checking the crontab you need to hunt down the specific systemd timer which your package auto installed. instead of plugging in your ethernet cable and maybe running dhcpd, you need to fuck around with NetworkManager. systemd makes everything orders of magnitudes more complicated to run and use

I'll grant that it strips systemd, which automatically makes it better than the vast majority of systemd distros. But the debian ecosystem and way of doing things is bad for the desktop at this point. Use Artix or Gentoo with binaries and GURU.

There's also this, which looks amazing and I wish more people would get into it
https://github.com/Michael-Sebero/CoolRune

>>105571162 (OP)
Debian just works, chud. You'll never get me off Debian.

>>105571323
built for wazobia, a Nigerian linux distro

>>105571162 (OP)
I have one reason actually
>>105571177
fpbp

>>105571362
>artix
chudware

>>105571498
exactly. it also started packaging X11Libre, making it twice as chuddy

>>105571162 (OP)
>Debian's packages are just old versions of stuff that devs jerry rig secirty updates into and push them to the repo
>Devuan is the same thing but the updates are delayed longer because the Devs have to mess with the packages to remove systems dependencies
Oh wow what benefits such gain

>>105571296
You don't need network manager with systemd. I know at least that much. When I first installed Arch without any DE, I used dhcpd to connect to my network and it didn't have network manager installed. Hell, it didn't even have dhcpd installed. I had to install that manually too.

>>105571162 (OP)
You wouldn't understand.

>>105571296
>runs linux
>complains about remembering syntax

>>105571162 (OP)
>apt
no thanks

>>105571598
i have that setup too, tho i dont think its the full systemd experience. just werks distros like ubuntu all have network manager on them

>>105571301
>Encrypted systems aren't supported yet.
Damn so close.

>>105571254
You just blow in from new town kid?

>>105571778
Network manager is pulled in by KDE on Arch (probably Gnome too) the DE uses that for the GUI based networking configuration.

>>105571162 (OP)
i would use devuan, but antix exists.

>>105572711
>i would use something with a solid stable foundation, but i want shifting sands under my feet instead

the wise man built his house upon the rock, anon

but i'm already running Arch

sure feels good to type sudo pacman -Syu

>>105572787
you must be thinking i made a typo. aNtix.

>>105572803
>sudo pacman -Syu
>system breaks

>>105572875
thanks for beta testing my software anon, i appreciate it

>>105572803
>sure feels good to type sudo pacman -Syu
why type sudo pacman -Syu when you can just type yay?

>>105572834
nope, it fixes literally everything
it's what reboot is in wangblows

>>105571162 (OP)
I will not use any OS which pushes homosexuality.

>>105572964
they want all the non systemd people to use rolling release so at least they server a purpose as beta testers if they cant suck data out of them XD

>>105572834
this only happens if you use the AUR desu

>>105573007
imagine doing your own research the AI could just be making shit up and you would never know.

>>105571362
artix+hyprland+brave browser+suckless software for the ultimate chvd experience

>>105573028
using copilots "think deeper"

sit down

>>105573036
hyprland has a code of conduct now. if you want an actual chud experience you'll need to use xfce instead, as it is, to my knowledge, the only DE that doesn't have a CoC. maybe other WMs don't have one but I don't have enough experience with those
plus using xfce in the long term will allow you to switch from xorg to xlibre (which Artix now packages) and be free from Red Hat's xorg/gayland troonery
>brave
GNU IceCat bro

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feels good to be right

>>105571162 (OP)
antiX
Artix
MX

>>105573133
>(which Artix now packages)
Excellent. Switching now.

>>105572964
that's debian though

I can't use it bc I went to school with like 300 kids named Devuan (pronounced Dwayne)
T. Oakland

>>105572834
>>105572938
>>105573021
>some random library maintainer had their git repo hacked by script kiddies 2 minutes and 45 seconds ago
>run sudo pacman -Syu for the 10rd time today (need to consoom the latest updates)
>chinese malware gets expedited to your system
These are the same people who will complain about receiving updates on windows and make fun of people for installing security updates on their phone
On one hand I'm glad archsissies exist so they can be the testing dummies for stable distros

>>105573991
The most high profile malware inserted into Linux through a supply chain attack targeted and worked on stable distros but did not work on Arch despite also being present there.

>>105574016
>targeted and worked on stable distros
testing*

>>105574035
Yea but everyone who uses Debian just uses Sid or testing anyway. Unless they are running it on a server.

>>105574050
I don't

>>105574050
I don't

>>105571254
>What do zoomers have against systemd?
SystemD is a cancer, spreading unchecked.

>>105574050
If you run Testing or Unstable for anything else but bugfixing or developing Debian, and are hit with malware or data loss, you have no one to blame but yourself.

>>105574016
I'm struggling to understand your point desu. Are you under the impression arch has some kind of built-in protection against malware that other distros don't have?
The most straightforward interpretation of your post is that arch is more secure because there was a supply chain attack one time that didn't infect arch since it targeted a different distribution, but that doesn't seem like a real argument somebody would make unironically, so I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and find a more charitable interpretation of your post

>>105573991
if you run sudo pacman -Syu, and it somehow gives you malware, then everyone is going to have that malware

also Arch is a stable distro. The packages pushed to the repo are stable.

>>105571162 (OP)
you can already install openrc on regular debian and use gentoo's scripts

https://wiki.debian.org/OpenRC

>>105574157
>then everyone is going to have that malware
nta but is this supposed to be comforting

>>105574160
yeah and btw you can also install openrc on regular archlinux

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/OpenRC

>>105574157
Fun fact: any of the mentally unstable troons who maintain AUR packages can wake up one day and decide to install a keylogger on your computer at a moment's notice and you can't do anything about it
And if you think the people who maintain the actual packages the get hastily pushed to the official arch repos are much better, you're wrong.

>>105574174
There will be ways to fix it very fast
in b4 oh no it stole my ssh password - just change it lol. The attacker is going to have gorillions of passwords to sift through.

>>105574301
I'd rather not get malware in the first place

>>105573991
>On one hand
You would lead your comment with this
>On one hand, these are the same people who ...
then
>On the other hand, I'm glad

Hope that helps.

>>105574378
you dont get malware from the official Arch repo, do you?
does windows give malware in the official updates too - oh wait

>>105574459
The other part was implied and intended as an exercise for the reader since it's obvious. Only native english speakers are able to pick up on things like that though, so it's not your fault for being confused

>>105571162 (OP)
I use PCLinuxOS. Devuan for servers tho.

>>105573876
https://packages.artixlinux.org/groups/x86_64/xlibre/
https://packages.artixlinux.org/groups/x86_64/xlibre-drivers/
have fun anon

>>105574712
https://packages.artixlinux.org/packages/galaxy-goblins/x86_64/xlibre-server/
they removed the server package from the group so linking that too

>>105571162 (OP)
But i do OP and i didn't even switch to Devuan for ideological reasons (it just conveniently extended Debian Jessie support at the time), although after recent redhat spergouts (xlibre debacle, forced dropping x11, increasing systemd dependencies) i'm getting more and more radicalized in this regard, i'm already seeing myself eventually moving to Void -> Alpine -> Hyperbola -> OpenBSD, it's just a metter of time.

>>105574930
ive been wanting to jump straight into OpenBSD because i could easily recreate my linux setup there but its a pain to relearn everything else and i think it would feel somehow isolating

>>105571177
Exactly. Or MX Linux, which is also Debian Stable + extra shit.

>>105574114
No, my point is that the "stable" distros aren't immune to supply chain attacks. It doesn't only affect distros which are up to date. There could be malicious code in the wild right now for all we know and it could be affecting stable distros. It's just a matter of how old the code is - there are thousands of packages, nobody can 100% check every single one to make sure it's perfect. It's in a way lucky that the case I'm talking about was discovered fairly quickly.

Arch isn't more secure. It's just more irrelevant.

>>105575124
>it doesn't matter that pacman -Syu pulls the latest version of random git repos with almost no vetting, everybody is doomed anyway, you could have malware on your computer RIGHT NOW so that means I'm actually safe
Nice argument retard

bump ><

>>105571162 (OP)
I'm giving Nobara a shot, it's my first linux distro. So far I'm nothing short of impressed but I could see why normies aren't particularly into it yet. Takes some figuring to get it all working the way I want but that's part of the fun for me.

>>105571188
its been around for awhile now. maybe 4-5 years. its when debian mandated systemd these guys basically forked debian.

>>105571162 (OP)
I use windows 10 ltsc

>>105571254
>>105571296
samejeet

I don't like systemd but I don't like tinkering with software that expect it to be there more. The more obscure your system the less compatibility you have. Why is this hard for /g/ autists to understand?

>>105571188
>Debian is full of pajeets and trannies at this point
>Meanwhile Devuan:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=17

>>105576473
>meanwhile Artix:
systemd-free chads, we eating good

>>105571162 (OP)
I just run normal Debian. systemd is great.

>>105575176
It doesn't pull the latest versions you absolute idiot. Tons of packages are outdated.

>>105577025
>by 48 hours

>>105571162 (OP)
>Linux
There's my reason

>>105576488 (checked)
Based beyond belief.

>>105571192
debian hasnt supported a different init system since 2015

>>105577422
I synced with testing repos once, had an alert in pacman complaining the packages I synced were ahead of current for weeks.

>>105571162 (OP)
Yes I do.

>>105571162 (OP)
It doesnt just work.

people who say daily driver are almost always retarded noobs
also it sounds extremely gay