Radical leftists + corporate interests believe that open source belongs to them now and they are the sole arbiters of what you're allowed to do.

Kill yourself, slopnik.
Keep your drama on r*ddit/kiwifarms

>>105572905
No, faggot.

>>105572891 (OP)
i dont think too much about it
activists have a track record of ruining everything they touch
so its gonna be a self solving problem

>>105572891 (OP)
>see new general

>>105572891 (OP)
>wayland is 'le hecking future
yeah, even valve knows not to touch this shit with a ten-foot pole and they will use xorg for the next 10 years for deck

It's pretty fucked up when we've reached the point where wanting to run an xserver is a left vs right political statement. Mah nazis.

>>105572977
Nobody mentioned nazis and left/right except OP. If you look at the pic (assuming not a GPT) you can see that nobody mentions this
X11 is just abandonware, nothing more, nothing less

>>105572891 (OP)
"literary" guy can't do a spell check before posting and then speaks on behalf of all

>>105572985
fuck off. people are getting banned and when asked why the responses come from these organizations CODE OF CONDUCT councils and they cite your typical "these are BAD people."

>>105572985
that explains why websites like reddit are mass censoring this news. nothing political here.

>>105572969
Pretty sure the deck uses wayland+gamescope

>>105572891 (OP)
You can fork it if you wanna continue to develop it, why does the xorg foundation owe you continued development of software that they aren't interested in anymore?

>>105572891 (OP)
Why do you fags always call these corporate bootlickers "radical leftists"? They are nothing but plants for big tech, they don't even really care about half the shit they say, only that it makes them look good (to themselves?)
I'm not supporting your gay rightoid policy that wnats everyone to live like good little christfags and leads to me paying more to faggot landlords and faggot power companies/whatever, fuck off.

I fully support an Xorg fork though

>>105573046
Why are you on reddit, nigger. You do not belong here. GO BACK

>>105573046
What does reddit have to do with X11 you ignorant retard

>>105573017
>people get banned when they troll issue trackers with baby duck syndrome seething
Good. issues are specifically meant for: Bugs, feature requests and intra-developer communications.

>>105573278
>You can fork it if you wanna continue to develop it,
some guy tried that and got deplatformed

>>105573512
ok wise guy if theyre not radical leftists where are all their confederate statues

>>105573257
Indeed it does. Gamescope is running in Xwayland.

>>105572905
Kik yourself commie

>>105572891 (OP)
he won, you lost.
kneel.

>>105572985
Communism lost and you will never be a woman

>>105573722
India lost to the british empire and now it will lose to China
TID

>>105572891 (OP)
No one is stopping you from using xorg. Not everything is gnome. Politics obsessed nocoders having a tantrum over things they don't understand as usual.

>>105573512
>"radical leftists"
Because they openly admit to being communists/marxists?
They all deserve death.
>leads to me paying more to faggot landlords
Rent is due commie.
It's funny the policies you support are what increase rents lol

>>105573572
>>some guy tried that and got deplatformed
>completely ignores his retarded commentary by said dev and the README of the fork
kek.

>>105573722
Good morning sir ...

Why is everyone so mad about a display server?
Or even invested in it?
Your country got couped and already half dismantled by literal Nazis while the bug people are about to take over the world, stop bickering about irrelevant issues!

>>105573722
>wayland derangement syndrome

>>105573751
India is a socialist shithole.
I'm sure you would love it.

>>105573722
>Communism lost
then why is China winning?

>>105573764
>projecting pajeet self reports out of nowhere
LMAO
Commies deserve to be drowned btw

>>105573785
>india is a socialist shithole
Yet, the western right is full of Indians, ESPECIALLY slopniks who call everyone communists.
For example the "inevitable west" on twitter, a pajeet crypto scammer

>>105573775
because they're dumb faggots who can't code.
same reason people were (still are) butthurt about systemd, pulseaudio or literally anything good about linux.

>>105573786
>then why is China winning?
Because they embraced market liberalism after mao died?
Oh wait you think they're actually communist? LMAO

>>105573759
this sounds like a (You) problem. There are no socialists in FOSS except Stallman
And Stallman is good.

>>105573809
>slopniks who call everyone communists
I don't know what your made up term means. I think you should touch grass nigger.
Desu me calling you a communist subhuman must have hit close to home

>>105573759
>rent is due
shalom! are you not getting bombed right now?

>>105573671
gamescope is a wayland compsitor you mouthbreathing tard
most vidyagames are made for X11, so Xwayland runs under gamescope

>>105573828
Die anti-Semite. This is a Jewish board. Bend the knee or piss off.

>>105573831
Wine* is made for X11
and winewayland.drv will replace it eventually anyway.

>>105573823
Calm down and dilate tranny.
>>105573828
LMAO I never have to work again a day in my life while you suffer greatly
>muh kikes
I don't care about sand people wars

>>105573851
>I don't work
yes, we noticed, parasite

LOL
Are there actually reddit trannies marxists on /g/ now?

>>105573857
>parasite
You're living in my home. You're the parasite.
I truly love how you leftist wagie rentoids suffer.
You literally waste your whole life working lmao
I get to have fun every single day.
Kill yourself you fucking loser

>>105573831
Video games are made for Windows not X11.

>>105573880
You don't work, therefore you are a parasite

So many onions boys ITT
YWNBAW, Gnome haters ...

>>105573955
So people who are not currently working but have money saved are parasites?
If you don't work on the weekend, you're a parasite?
How about retired old people?
Face it, I ALREADY worked and invested my money in an income generating asset that benefits people(by providing housing).
The only parasite here is you.
Also I truly enjoy your suffering. Enjoy working until you turn grey and die, leftoid.

>>105572891 (OP)
This is why MIT/BSD is superior.

>>105573932
This is a linux native game and it doesn't work with wayland

>>105574012
Yes, people who don't work 40 hours per week at least and are physically able to, are parasites

>>105573671
Is there any reason to use gamescope other than upscaling?

>>105574029
My body, my choice.

>>105572891 (OP)
good
accelerate

>>105574029
Why? Because you said so?
That's not an argument.
If someone provides value, they aren't a parasite.

>>105574052
Because history says so. If you look at the past 5000 years of civilization, this was never tolerated

>>105574097
For the slaves yes. For the slave owners then we are talking about something else. Thanks for confirming you are a proud little golem though, just like the white man was designed to be.

>>105573695
China won.

>>105574097
There were landlords in ancient Rome
You're delusional and coping
>>105574138
They really didn't.
China will have democracy in my lifetime lol

>>105573572
>go on a full on schizo rant throwing random accusations against the platform that is freely hosting your project
>they decide to not host your shit anymore
>NOOO! You can't do that!!! You evil corporate chill racists have to support me!

I hate freedesktop as much as the next guy, but what the fuck was he expecting?

>>105574184
Landlords in Ancient Rome, as in the Middle Ages, fought. And trained. And died a lot. They didn't just sit on their ass all day like you

Xorg users need to be dragged into the future. They will cry and shit themselves but they know eventually they will have to use Wayland.

>>105574304
Nigger I already worked for 20 years, saving and investing my money. Refraining from consumption
While you consumed

If X.org is dead they should sell their valuable 1 letter domain name and switch to Waylandprotocol.org instead.

>>105572935
>activists have a track record of ruining everything they touch
activist is just a fun way to spell communist

>>105574414
now i see what this is all about. no, it's not for sale, never will be, and i can assure you it would never be sold to a south african pedophile.

>>105574421
idk
*any* form of activism, id say
its kinda self evident
an activist will prioritize his ideology over the arts
in a way im an activism too
but my ideology says you should put technology first

>>105574365
WOW 20 YEARS! That is literal slavery. I don't know how you can make it. I feel so bad for you
I will pray for you and send you some money so you can recover from emotional damages you went through

>>105574025
That's not entirely true.

>>105574470
in the context of this thread, activist refers to the radical left

>>105574495
Is that the windows version or the native linux version

>>105574495
>using 21 GB RAM
>barely looks better than a game from 2010
progress

>>105574501
yeah
but then a jihadis are right wing
goes without saying id rather have to deal with a champagne communist

>>105574523
Screenshot says wayland (Linux)

>>105574544
I know. Are you using proton/wine or not.

>>105574523
It's Windows version

read this
https://forum.beammp.com/t/beammp-run-on-linux-guide-2025/1260718/19

>>105574533
I mean it's literally a 2013 game so you're not far off.

>>105574536
literally no one is talking about jihadis.

>>105573811
>wayland
>systemd
>gnome
shit
>pulseaudio
it is ok I guess if a bit complicated

>>105573572
>deplatformed
From what? Platforms run by the enemy? Who cares.

>>105573811
>[politics out of nowhere]
>stop bickering about irrelevant issues!
kek, nice bait

>>105574639
i am, now. was.

>>105574666
>>[politics out of nowhere]
where?

>>105574666
>>105574679
Fuck, I just realized I replied to the wrong post, my bad
Meant to reply to >>105573775

>>105574494
LOL you moron
You totally missed my point.
That's why you're an economic illiterate socialist rentoid that is going to suffer until he dies
I hope you rope soon

>>105572891 (OP)
Now you understand why they're converting everything to Rust with more restrictive licenses.

>>105574017
And yet Xorg is licensed under MIT.

>>105573512
>Freedom of speech isn't freedom of reach
The left just spent the last three decades 69ing the big tech companies because they saw them as fellow travelers. The merger of the state and corporations was cheered on by the left endlessly because they thought by calling others fascists that they could get away with literal fascism, with leftists in control of the merged entity.

>>105574863
It is always the people who do the least effort, who are hedonistic degenerates who always lecture others and seethe at FOSS this FOSS that.
Have you noticed? I sure have.

>>105574969
I agree.
Idk why communist manbabies are so against FOSS

>>105574184
The Chinese system of bottom up council democracy is a much more effective system of representation than the bourgeois democracy that exists in the west. Choosing which sold-out millionaire gets to maintain the empire and do austerity against the will of the people isn't "democracy" lmao, it's a dictatorship of the billionaire class. The west doesn't even have democracy in the workplace yet unlike China.

China isn't a democracy OR a communist state, it's straight up a fascist state
Wtf guys, wtf are you smoking

>>105575374
The only thing china is is a project meant to see how much you can humiliate an east asian boi and torture him.
>le troll face
>introduce one child policy where only boys can live
>families abort all female children
>grow up in a generation where there's practically no women your age to date
>old communist fucks force you to wage slave to death and toil away in industries until you die
>get addicted to B__ sissy hypno and become a woman ... or kill yourself
grim future for every young east asian boi

>>105575374
>i-it just is OKAY!!!
No one asked, Langley.

>>105575297
>bottom up council democracy
Lmfao
>do austerity against the will of the people
That's unironically a good thing though. We need a strongman to enforce free market policies so the working class can be lifted out of poverty.
>The west doesn't even have democracy in the workplace yet unlike China
99.99% of China doesn't work that way and co-ops aren't even a good thing. I don't want to be responsible for the health of the firm. I want to collect a paycheck and go home.

>>105575374
So you think china was better when it was actually marxist communist under Mao and tens of millions of people starved to death?
LOL

>>105575499
No, of course not! I'm just saying it turned from one kind of totalitarian state to another. Lay off the weed my dude.

>>105575552
>Freedesktop Code of Conduct Enforcement Team member
Says it all, really.

>>105575484
>we just need to lick the boot harder you guys! it's gonna trickle down any day now!!
You are an actual literal meme lmao
>99.99% of China doesn't work that way
Jessie, what the fuck are you talking about?
https://www.taylorwessing.com/en/insights-and-events/insights/2024/01/employees-participation-in-corporate-governance-under-the-revised-chinese-company-law

>>105575499
>endless cycle of famine during imperial china: i sleep
>communists win food security for the first time in chinese history after many terrible trials: NO NOT LIKE THAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>105575583
>Software Engineer at Red Hat
Says a little more

>>105575499
mao was based

>>105575590
>>we just need to lick the boot harder
You support a marxist dictatorship which has forced the working class into poverty.
Reminder that average workers in Taiwan make 3.5x what average workers in china make.
>trickle down
Nobody cares about your made up strawman argument lol
>actual literal meme lmao
You're literally a self hating communist tranny from reddit lmao
>endless cycle of famine during imperial china: i sleep
Why would I support insane government control of imperial china. It was almost as bad as maoist china
>win food security
They had the largest famine in human history. Tens of millions of people died. They shot you if you tried to leave the collective farms.
Why did countries that embraced economic liberalism grow faster and achieve food security much faster and more abundantly?

>>105575662
He was also a child molesting pedophile

>>105575590
How are there actually maoist tankies on /g/? lol, lmao even

>>105575685
Children are more likely to be drawn to idealism. He'll either grow out of it or troon out, depending on which brand of autism he has.

>>105575685
He looks terrified.

>>105572891 (OP)
They won in the GPL space. Every GPL project suddenly needed to become a foundation that got donated to by big companies and then the companies are on the board and BOOM they own the whole project.

It's why GPL is the cuck license. This can't happen with BSD, you can always take your ball and go home.

>>105575685
>not the le HECKIN' tankies
>>>/reddit/ is down that way if you're gonna get triggered over citing a source lmao. I can tell from one post that's something you probably don't have a lot of experience with.

>>105575685
Do you understand that thirdworldism is LITERALLY the most popular ideology in the world right now?

>>105575819
>>not the le HECKIN' tankies
Its an insult, similar to calling you a clown or tranny, which you are.
>>>>/reddit/
You mean tankie central?
Why do you faggots need to lie constantly?
Most of the online communist movements started and grew on reddit.

>>105572891 (OP)
>Radical leftists
Post disregarded, you're a well trained fucktard barking the approved message to your peers, furiously masturbating in expectation of them barking in return.

>>105575851
"tankie" (tranny term) subreddits get banned on reddit. meanwhile your lolberg subs are still up and there is many of them.

>>105575860
found the gnomie

>>105575851
>You mean tankie central?
What /pol/tard cinematic universe are you living in where every major ML sub wasn't purged years ago and anything left of Biden isn't immediately downvoted to hell in the mainstream subs? It's like burgerbrained retards like you are so mentally skullfucked that you can't even tell the difference between neoliberals and fucking leftists lol
>Most of the online communist movements started and grew on reddit
>source: i made it the fuck up

>>105575829
That's rich from the world's most notorious kleptocracy.

>>105575940
found the lummox.

>>105575665
>You support a marxist dictatorship
All class society is a dictatorship of one class over another, the only question is WHO is the ruling class. Let's move beyond your middle school civics class and into big boy takes.
>which has forced the working class into poverty.
Making shit up isn't an argument. China ALONE is responsible for global poverty decreasing year after year on average:
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience
>cries about a strawman
>proceeds to rage at a strawman
...you doing alright anon?
>They had the largest famine in human history
How clinically fucking retarded do you have to be to talk like Chinese history ended in 1961 and no progress was made after? Was this an attempt at a red herring?
>Why did countries that embraced economic liberalism grow faster and achieve food security much faster and more abundantly?
Making shit up isn't an argument. How fucking ADORABLE you think the small handful of countries in the imperial core that spent centuries plundering the global south get to represent capitalism alone, and not the entire continents of Africa, South America, and most of Asia. Socialist countries have been far more successful at providing for their own people when you compare each country based on economic development:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1646771/

>>105572891 (OP)
He did, look at his gnome "contributions"

>Radical leftists + corporate interests

>>105576121
waycucks trying to turn it into politics

>>105576510
People like this are the most insufferable scum on the planet and it's clear to see why anything Redhat related is so awful if this is their philosophy.

>>105572891 (OP)
Would you just tell me which side the jews are on so I can take the opposite side please?

Antifa (formerly known as GNOME) would like to remind you that Linux nerds are losers.

>>105577122
"Swifties"?

>>105576510

>>105577122
>I have more respect for Swifties than any linux nerd on the internet
unfathomably based. absolute gigachad take. anyone who wears any part of the linux stack like a sportball jersey needs an immediate grass touching vacation to a remote island.

>>105577152

>>105577222
Yeah, he sure showed those nerds. How dare they want to talk about technology? How eggheaded of them. They should only appreciate shallow entertainment, anti-intellectualism and sex just like everyone else does!

>>105577548
>inventing a conversation no one was having to run defense for schizophrenic freaks writing actual fanfiction about display servers and init systems
Your post is interesting on a few different levels, anon. How many times does mom have to drop you on your skull before you interpret imageboard schizoposting as intellectualism lmfao

>>105577628
Your projections are hilarious. Do you know what the word "any" means or do you need a dictionary?

>>105577122
Well how did we come to this gee I dunno look at the people you fucking work with and see if anything you said applies to them too, as if it fucking doesn't? Like look at ebassi, drew devault, corey dale ehmke, and so many others and how god damn self righteous you all are and then how you leverage your moderation powers to ban anyone who disagrees with any decisions you make, and bad discussing the competition in a positive way, or egg people on into getting into arguments you can ban them over, then get all smug about it on social media. And you get away with it all because you work in such an esoteric field that most people don't know how to disprove your cult of personality if they say e.g. the commits were shit or a project has insufficient activity to be worth giving a shit about. And then you rely so much on people with extra protection to shield you from criticism.
And you literally work on linux operating system components and you're not a linux nerd somehow? Biggest case of 2 for 1 pot calling the kettle black I've seen in a good while.
But of course it all really started because project owners didn't have the fortitude, and didn't want to accept the reduction in development activity, that keeping corporate employees out of positions of authority on the projects, would bring.
Throw in a bit of ad funded mainstream media taking the side with the most money at all times and it's no wonder it turned into such a shitfest. Without everyone with authority working to stop conflicts, stop sides from form in the first place, and stopping money from taking leveraging those sides, the in fighting was inevitable.

>>105577707
>rms support letter
full of no name russians
>rms open letter
full of orgs and big name devs

>>105577688
>maybe i can pretend to be brain damaged and oblivious to hyperbole
Maybe you could put a bullet in your skull already lmao

>>105577713
You miss the point of free software. The GPL is a license a developer puts on software to protect its users from other developers oppressing them with non-free forks.
So of course the users protected by the GPL would come to defend Stallman, and not the oppressors who the license was designed to protect against.

>>105577724
Looks like you quoted the wrong poster. You probably meant >>105577628

>>105577766
Approved: Your concession has been accepted. Thank you for posting on 4chan. Good bye and please remember us for all your future shitposting needs.

>>105577756
>oppressing them with non-free forks
That's like dem voters and repub voters saying they're oppressed just because their favorite senile pedophile didn't get elected

>>105577799
Good to know. You should see a doctor about that incorrect grammatical person however. Might be a serious neurological disorder.

Reminder that big corporations have commissioned to rewrite everything in order to replace GNU Licensed software with "cuck" licenses MIT/BSD and impose them as the global standard.

Software written under GNU Licenses CANNOT BE USED BY LEGALLY COMPLIANT CORPORATIONS. They can use it if they want, these are entities that can kill people and get away with it. But GNU it's a headache for them because they can get potentially into big trouble.

>why are GNU licenses a nuisance for companies?
Because any extension or modification of a GNU licensed software has be published by law, and companies are not going to make their trade secrets public. Again, they can use GNU licensed software in secret, but if they are discovered by a regulator that they are not being compliant with the contract, gives a solid platform for a lawsuit.

When you write software and you publish it for public consumption you are now a Service Provider, and the license you choose to apply to your software is your contract.

Ignore cheap ragebait. Those are illusions. Focus in the real matter.

>>105577892
Stallman truly GNU what he was doing.

>>105572985
>tfw the canadian economy depends on an x server

bump

putting a fuck DEI statement and "make x great again" isn't making it political at all.

>>105577892
Why is that such a problem?

Does that not only pertain to modifications to the GNU licensed code or does it magically extend to the rest of their code?

Context: They hate Enrico because he wasn't didn't get the clot shot and was vocal about it, this is really why they hate him, wrong think.

Kicking him off your platform because he insulted the parent company IBM, I disagree with but understand. Deleting years of development just to push wayland and IBMs agenda, inexcusable.
As a FVWM enjoyer, fuck anyone that's actively trying to kill X11.

He is right, IBM is the cancer killing Linux.

>>105572891 (OP)
>it belongs to the xorg foundation
Copyright © 2011 Dave Airlie
Copyright © 2000-2001 Juliusz Chroboczek
Copyright © 1998 Egbert Eich
Copyright © 2006-2007 Intel Corporation
Copyright © 2006 Nokia Corporation
Copyright © 2006-2008 Peter Hutterer
Copyright © 2006 Adam Jackson
Copyright © 2009-2010 NVIDIA Corporation
Copyright © 1987, 2003-2006, 2008-2010 Oracle and/or its affiliates.
Copyright © 1999 Keith Packard
Copyright © 2007-2009 Red Hat, Inc.
Copyright © 2005-2008 Daniel Stone
Copyright © 2006-2009 Simon Thum
Copyright © 2003-2008, 2013 Geert Uytterhoeven
Copyright © 2006 Luc Verhaegen

I have no idea what xorg is or most of the linux software that is constantly argued here. Like gnome. What is that? Also why are you so hard on arguing about linux windowing tech. Helloo it was already fixed in the first windows GUI. I'm also a 30 year old software developer and top of my company knowledge/skill wise. I think linux is great but holy fuck these small software wars really show how much shit people there are in the linux community. Again, it seems that 10% of linux devs do 90% of the real work while the remaining 90% userbase is just full blown retards. I'll now go to work and will not read your replies. Later troons.

>>105579334
>linux devs
>real work

Pick one

>>105572891 (OP)
why are some developers such insane cunts? there are people at my job that act just like that but over nothing because they are losers

>>105579202
GNU is a cancerous marxist license. it's as restrictive to your freedoms as closed source software.

>>105579353
Not enough testosterone and no father figure.

>>105579353
computer programming attracts socially maladjusted autists with a whole host of mental illness and personality defects.

>>105574034
You need it for HDR, as well as running mangoapp and getting diagnostics. But yeah you don't NEED it outright. Honestly I don't understand wtf OP is talking about, if you want to fork Xorg just do it stop talking about it.

>>105577175
But shes right tho. In multicultural feminist cuntocracies i.e the west, everybody eventually gets really uppity that they cannot ever have anything made for themselves or for people just like them because nothing is. Nobody can ever be right about anything because being right is a social construct. We're all forced to occupy the same spaces as people who are fundamentally different from ourselves thus there will always be somebody in the room that feels left out and and so feels the need to come over and ruin everything.
This isn't even taking into account that corporations want to hijack everything in the name of profits and have learned since Occupy Wallstreet that they can identity politics their way out of any situation.

>You don't get to own Xorg. It belongs to the X.org foundation
I'm probably forgetting the exact history, but wasn't x.org forked from XFree86, which in turn was based on The X Consortium's X11? Why can't someone fork what they themselves forked?

Oh some terrible, terrible posts from a mastosoc and hachyderm wankers, what a surprise. When I was on the fediverse I defederated from the later because (like poast in its own way) it's almost 100% garbage from people who should be on bluesky.

Anyway I'll continue to use working and finished softwares, thank you

>>105574324
Stop moving shit on my machine around.

>>105572891 (OP)
Going to need some early life checks.

>>105574025
I'm sure it uses SDL as backend and since SDL3 Wayland backend is used by default if fifo protocol is implemented in compositor

>>105572891 (OP)
When a fruit falls to the ground, it gets rotten with vermin
But it's seed become a new tree, taller than any worm can climb

The more accessible to the masses Linux get, the more it will be sabotaged
But the real developers are leaving to build things that will only be known after decades

>>105574034
It's great for old/shitty games where it only runs in fullscreen, freaks out if you tab out, or runs at an unbounded framerate & ties gamespeed to fps. It's a very versatile tool for dealing with janky games.

>>105573775
because im not a windows user and i appreciate my freedoms
wayland is a badly designed piece of shit that tries to fix problems that never actually existed outside theoretical scenarios, and it does that at the cost of limiting user's freedom and forcing developers to resort to hacks for implementing even the most mundane, basic capabilities that xorg had

if you never write software i can see why you wouldn't care, but if you do then i don't understand how you wouldn't be at least a little invested in it, especially when your project gets invaded by the wayland evangelist task force whining about adding support for their shitty protocol

>>105572891 (OP)
Learn to reverse engineer software with Ghidra and IDA Pro. Crack their software.

>>105576121
Palantir is based tho

>>105577713
See, look at that appeal to authority in an area that got its start with the idea of freedom from authority. I posted that image because it's the first example I found on my hard drive of the kind of starting of fights that the faction Petridis(h) seems to belong to has done. Yes it was a reaction to Stallman's rather ill advised email about semantics sent at a time where emotions were high, but they could have just left it and no one would have gotten hurt, seriously, so I'm blaming that reactionary mob for starting the fight. And then he goes saying something like "hey it's not an election or something no need to fight bro" while participating in activities that make it more like current elections (one mass response verses another). He's on the list of letter signatories.
>>105577841
No, it really isn't. There's different power structures involved, more factions, more executive figures, and less you can do even in theory to upset them, and more they can do to depose each other, and less you can file lawsuits over, and different forms of oppression.

>>105576098
>All class society
Society isn't built upon classes and dialectical materialism is pseudoscience. You people don't even believe in evolution or human instincts. You're basically religious cultists that deserve to be round up and drowned in boiling acid.
>dictatorship of one class over another
Marxist justification for total dictatorship and enslavement of the working class is so hilariously dumb lol.
Tell me again how the vanguard is somehow magically the will of the people.
>big boy takes.
You're a communist manchild that cut off your penis.
>China ALONE is responsible for global poverty decreasing
Seeing how Taiwan has much higher average living standards for workers than China, it seems that china has been a detriment to increases in living standards, not a positive force.
The only reason living standards increased in china was because mao died and deng decided to implement market reforms. That's when china actually started to grow. Imagine how north korea tier poor they would be if they kept with maoism lol
>...you doing alright anon?
So basically you're crying that I called out the absolutely retarded "trickle down" strawman meme you people love to spew instead of arguing in good faith?
>ow clinically fucking retarded do you have to be to talk like Chinese history ended in 1961 and no progress was made after?
So basically you're going to handwave away that actual unironic communist central planning was attempted in it's purest form ever and instead of resulting in people thriving, it resulted in the greatest famine in human history? LOL
>and no progress was made after?
The progress was made after the central planning started to be abandoned.

>>105576098
>Making shit up isn't an argument.
Come on now.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/coep.12010
>the small handful of countries in the imperial core
Nah, it's basically ANY country that liberalized their markets. It worked every single time, from Myanmar to Poland to Vietnam. Cope.
Look up the Burmese Way to Socialism and why it was such a massive failure. No, muh CIA intervention wasn't involved.
>and not the entire continents of Africa, South America, and most of Asia
Most of those countries are extremely interventionist or were outright socialist. We're talking about degrees of economic liberalism here. Not your "capitalism is when the government does stuff" definition of capitalism you people love to use as a strawman argument.
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1646771/
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>he did the meme
This "study" has been debunked a million times. It's hilarious because it's all communists have. The study was done by sociologists, not economists. The study is from fucking 1986. There are many modern economists that have done plenty of studies on this topic and they overwhelmingly show economic liberalism results in better living standards for workers.
The study blatantly listed socialist states as capitalist ones. They listed the poorest countries under capitalist and the most developed ones under socialist.
There's many other reasons why this study is horseshit. This video goes through it in detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VP4rJPpPDw
Since you actually posted the meme study, you're probably going to post "reuters cover sheet" next. Let's watch.

>>105575965
>What /pol/tard cinematic universe are you living in where every major ML sub wasn't purged years ago
They weren't. Reddit allows them to thrive. They may ban the odd one here or there but they allow them to exist. Youtube and twitch do the same thing. That's why Hasan(a tankie) hasn't been banned.
Also. How are you an actual ML on /g/?
Do you enjoy being a slave or something? Is it a fetish?
Honestly.
>you can't even tell the difference between neoliberals and fucking leftist
I can tell them apart clearly. The neoliberals have much higher IQs than ML knuckle draggers. Why would you say something so retarded?

>>source: i made it the fuck up
Source I saw it with my eyes over the years

>>105575913
>subreddits get banned on reddit.
Rarely. They're mostly left alone.
Even the run of the mill communist subreddits openly support stalin and mao.
/r/latestagecapitalism promotes marxist-leninism

The linux community is so embarrassing

>>105581101
>>105581094
>wordswordswordswordswords
>loses

>>105581142
>They weren't
not beating the /pol/tard cinematic universe allegations

>>105572891 (OP)
Are the "radical leftists" in the room with us anon? I just see a stupid person who doesn't understand how open source software works personally, or someone who's way too personally invested becoming emotional at the idea of something they like being threatened. Childish behavior from the Bluesky OP.

>>105582547
>tankie redditor cope
Take as old as time

>>105582308
Xi lost.

>>105572891 (OP)
who

>>105574612
It's nice running Xorg and shit just works, including Beam.NG. Meanwhile Wayland is nonstop bugs, even when people claim "X works with Wayland now", it actually doesn't.

>>105581094
How many pictures of those people do you have saved on your computer lmao. Tell me you know this is a movement that is 99% in the third world that experienced the worst of capitalist exploitation.

You support a dictatorship of the billionaire class where only a select few get to own the entirety of society. You want lords that get to inherit all of the homes, the farmland, the factories, the restaurants and venues, the mines and natural resources, the media, the politicians (all billionaire friendly neoliberals), and their state apparatus that slams down hard when the billionaire classes power and privilege is threatened. You HATE democracy, what you love is Neo-feudalism. You HATE the idea of the working class having any democracy in their work and day to day lives outside of a fucking kabuki theater put on every four years.

>why no, i am too high on farts to see the material differences between the tiny island of taiwan and mainland china
Imagine. My. Shock.

>The only reason living standards increased in china was because mao died
Stopped reading right there. Let me know when you get your fanfiction published, champ.

Also, you already have central planning in the west you silly fucking goose. The Peoples Republic of Wal-Mart is an excellent overview of what is essentially a 21st century Cybersyn already in action. The only question is how to democratize it for the masses and not just a tiny group of lords/shareholders. Crying about "b-b-but that one time a half century ago..." is a pretty desperate distraction desu considering the bloodbath that was capitalist expansionism and colonial-imperialism.

could you elaborate?

>>105581101
>source: a paywalled article
You might actually be beyond parody at this point. Is your issue really that they didn't use your idiot and uniquely American definitions of capitalism and socialism? I love how you had to preempt being called out for your own strawman of "socialism is when government does stuff" lmfao. The right can't fucking meme.
>the published study done by sociologists using data from the world fucking bank, back when the eastern bloc actually existed, wasn't real bro
>look at this literally who sloptuber who plays with wojaks like fucking barbie dolls instead
Ok, I know I made the mistake of getting into it in 4chan of all places and that's my bad, but you really should have just led with this one so I would have known to go jerk off instead.

>>105572891 (OP)
>and they are the sole arbiters of what you're allowed to do.
How ? Unless they change the license, you are allowed to do exactly what you were always allowed to do according to the license.

Wayland is not a good solution, it is however better than X, so it will win by that alone.

Luckily FOSS always reinvents the wheel, so in a couple of years, we will have something new that aims to replace Wayland and its warts, it will be better, but have warts of its own, and so it will continue.

>>105580922
>totalitarian surveillance state is "based"

>>105575675
that's what he said, weren't you listening?

>>105579320
well yea, the xorg guys own xorg, it just that x11 has been synonymous with xorg for along enough people aren't considering that they're different things.
the xorg foundation can (presumably) kill xorg. absolutely. but don't confuse that with xorg foundation killing x11. they can't do that

>>105583481
As opposed to?

>>105583273
burgers like him are the most propagandized people on earth
>why would sociologists want to compare physical quality of life outcomes between different populations by looking at how their society is organized bro
>gotcha commies
fucking clown shoes shit lmao

>>105583165
>How many pictures of those people do you have saved on your computer
A lot, because it's hilarious.
>h-haha how many embarrassing pictures of us do you have?
kek

>this is a movement that is 99% in the third world that experienced the worst of capitalist exploitation.
I know this is going to be a shock to you, but the vast majority of the third world is against socialism. There's a reason why maoist groups in india are an extremely tiny minority. The third world saw how much of a colossal failure socialism is and decided to be against it. That's why socialist parties generally lose elections in the third world.

>You support a dictatorship of the billionaire class
Nope and I'm not going to let you do the typical marxist thing and twist words around and change definitions to suit your cult. If the people can vote, it's not a dictatorship. Just because billionaires exist doesn't make it a dictatorship. The only one that supports actual unironic dictatorships like north korea is you because you're low IQ and genetically built to want your own enslavement.

>where only a select few get to own the entirety of society
The working class receives like 99% of the end product of capitalist production(consumer goods and services). If the workers suddenly now owned the capital goods as well, it wouldn't magically change the fact that they're already getting virtually all of the end product of production.
In terms of consumption of consumer goods, the capitalist class consumes extremely little because there are so few capitalists, even though their consumption on an individual level is higher than the typical worker.

inb4 "marxism isn't about which class gets the consumer goods, it's about the means of production"
yes I know but now you can't really claim communism would increase the material conditions of the workers now

>>105583165
>You want lords that get to inherit all of the homes
65% of americans are home owners and this number would be even higher if the goverment wasn't intervening in the housing market
inb4 china has 100% home ownership rate. It doesn't. The state owns all of the land and you rent it from them. Also the quality of the homes are extremely piss poor, especially in the countryside.

> You HATE democracy
Actually yes, I think democracy flawed and should be controlled by the rule of law to enforce economic freedom but I think socialism is far worse.
You however are completely against democracy and actually unironically think the vanguard party is somehow the will of the people. What a useful idiot you are.

>You HATE the idea of the working class having any democracy in their work
I actually don't care. You can go form a co-op. They're just extremely inefficient and pay lower wages than capitalist firms. Imagine wanting to be responsible for the health of the firm instead of just collecting a paycheck and going home.

>material differences between the tiny island of taiwan and mainland china
The only real difference is one pursued economic liberalism while the other pursued central planning. They were equally poor at the start.

>Stopped reading right there.
Because you don't have an argument and you know I'm right.
Even the chinese goverment admits the great leap forward was a disaster.

>The Peoples Republic of Wal-Mart
LOL You did the meme!
It's hilarious how we know every single argument you people are going to make and have already debunked it a million times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZSFGAIaxaA
I would love to see economic calculation problem denialists refute this:
https://cdn.mises.org/qjae_23_1_kounya.pdf
Walmart is decentralized planning. Just because they are large and have a lot of moving parts doesn't make it central planning. They operate in a market and rely on market prices.

>>105583165
>Cybersyn
>BIG COMPUTER!
lmao this is too easy
You keep spewing takes that are massive memes in Libertarian circles. I swear the reuters cover sheet is coming up. Please! I want to laugh even more.
>Cybersyn was a failed, extremely inefficient system from a dictator that forced the working class into poverty(wages decreased and inflation skyrocketed during allende)
Cybersyn didn't solve the ECP whatsoever.

>The only question is how to democratize it for the masses
You don't support democracy whatsoever. At least the "anti-tankie" communists make some sense and actually care about democracy.

>capitalist expansionism and colonial-imperialism.
>CAPITALISM IS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES STUFF
>YES MERCHANTILISM IS CAPITALISM, STOP LAUGHING AT ME!

>>105583273
>paywalled article
Imagine being a communist and not knowing about sci-hub. Embarrassing. You people tend to be anti-AI so it makes sense you support intellectual property laws.

>Is your issue
I listed many of the issues and sent a well-sourced video going into detail as to why the paper is a joke.

>uniquely American definitions of capitalism and socialism
So you think capitalism is when the government does stuff? Pro-tip: NOBODY uses the marxist definition of capitalism when they use the term in everyday conversation. People are generally more nuanced and know the definition isn't fucking binary and most countries have a wide variety of degrees of capitalist elements and socialist elements.
Commies probably think north korea is capitalist because they allow some market activity lol

>preempt being called out for your own strawman of "socialism is when government does stuff"
You're mad because I DIDN'T strawman you? HAHAHA I guess this isn't going the way you thought it would. It's much harder to debate as a communist when you're not arguing with extremely surface level "SOCIALISM 100 TRILLION DEAD" ben shapiro conservatards.

>The right can't fucking meme.
Literally the name of the subreddit you have open in the other tab.

>>105583273
>using data from the world fucking bank
So what? Anyone can use data from the world bank. The problem is how you interpret that data. The world bank weren't the ones that classified these countries into socialism/capitalism, the sociology major communists were.
Also the study blatantly ignores many socialist countries at the time which were poverty stricken shitholes.
Also why haven't you looked up the Burmese Way to Socialism yet?

>sloptuber
lol you sound like hasan calling any youtuber that criticizes him a sloptuber.
Praxben is extremely giga based, actually reads socialist literature and sources every argument he makes.
I'm pretty sure you've never read capital.
You know who are actual sloptubers? Hakim, Second Thought, Deprogrampod, maoistrebelnews(lol), etc.

>I know I made the mistake of getting into it in 4chan of all places and that's my bad
Good, go jerk off alone you authoritarian incel redditor.
You will never be a dictator, or a woman. You're going to die alone.

>>105583680
>>105583685
>>105583693
>>105583701
>>105583711
>wordswordswordswordswords
China won

>>105583660
>>why would sociologists want to compare physical quality of life outcomes between different populations by looking at how their society is organized bro
Are you actually retarded enough to think that's the argument I was trying to make?
Commies aren't sending their best, holy shit

>clown shoes
You're defending one of the dumbest "papers" ever made.
It's flat earth tier and blames the failures of socialism on capitalism.
Actual trained economists have done this research in modern times and have come to the opposite conclusion.
The paper has no synthetic controls either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VP4rJPpPDw

>>105583724
>no argument
Milei won
China lost
also I found your youtube bro, what the fuck is this? lmao

Okay it is pretty funny how hard he is seething that people are working on X11. His mastodon account is hilarious, calling all sorts of people fascists and neonazis over this.

>>105583751
>calling all sorts of people fascists and neonazis over this.
Socialists are legitimately in a religious cult.
They're actually mindbroken and unable to question their ideology.

>>105581094
>You're basically religious cultists
They even have a prophecy. Socialism is le invitable! A bearded jew told me!

I don't get it. Can someone explain for a brainlet what's going on?

>>105576098
>How clinically fucking retarded do you have to be to talk like Chinese history ended in 1961 and no progress was made after? Was this an attempt at a red herring?

Why are you pretending an obvious crime against humanity never happened? The famine was deliberate as not only did ignore science and experience, treating people's lives as an experiment, they exported food during famine while refusing outside help to save face. They did this experiment despite the fact that Soviet Union failed with it years before.

>>105584401
Horseshoe theory. Communists just want power for a select few of themselves. They are hypocrites in the end.

>>105575552
Remember, this is the same play pretender that banned vaxry from freedesktop.

>>105575685
>Look at this person in the face
>"Oh yeah, this person should totally and completely own a gun, surely those psychopath eyes are nothing to be worried about"
The absolute state of the US.

>>105572891 (OP)
good thing it's xlibre and not xorg then. problem solved

>>105585734
>Why are you pretending an obvious crime against humanity never happened?
Because he's a communist.
What did you expect?
They're sociopaths.

Why do leftists partner with large corporations?

>>105587632
Why did you bump this shitass thread right before it was about to 404? Just to samefag even more copy-pasted talking points?

>>105572891 (OP)
This is why you don't allow them to force a CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md file on your project or create a Code of Conduct committee. They become the ministry of truth.

>>105572977
We are deep in the end game of the Iron Law of the Oligarchy. There is no good exit.

>>105572985
>Nobody mentioned nazis and left/right except OP.
It is all over the net. LWN is normally fairly sober but sure blew a gasket here:
https://lwn.net/Articles/1024758/
>Could you all please stop linking to a fork without any technical merit and for the cherry on top, a fork run by a lunatic that parrots fascists talking points in every mailing list and issue tracker he is allowed to participate in.

The post was made by someone with the handle alatiera which just so happens to be found also in OP image.

>>105579657
>DUDE JUST REWRITE YOUR SDL1/2 GAME IN SDL 3.
Do you realize the amount of work the dev would have to do just to make up for the fact Red hat have some a terrible job at building Wayland?
https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL3/README-migration

>>105581094
Why would evolution require belief in it, if it is true? Simply demonstrate evolution happening (preferably something a bit more convincing than bombarding viruses with radiation to cause them to mutate and then as soon as the radiation is removed the go back to exactly how they were before) and there is no argument to be had. You might need to demonstrate bio-genesis through evolution to convince some of the more hardcore anti evolutionists but the first one will convince most doubters.

>>105590406
The dev should just run their Windows version in Proton. Works better.

>>105587810
>copy-pasted talking points
Imagine reading all I wrote and claiming it was copy pasted instead of actually refuting it?

>>105573812
>Oh wait you think they're actually communist? LMAO
The rightoid wageslave runs interference.

>>105572891 (OP)
>>105572985
>xorg is dead, we killed it
>X11 is just abandonware, nothing more, nothing less
answer this >>105590892

>>105587810
Because he was proud of the schizo-dissertation he wrote valiantly taking down the strawman he's forced to share a headsapace with and was probably bummed no one took the bait after all that effort. Because what the fuck else can you do when you can only talk in pre-programmed talking points that all boil down to a glorified ad for a sloptube channel:
>watch all these random ass videos from a literally who that not even other libertarians give a shit about. he has SOURCES!
>sources: the misus institute (LOL. LMAO, even) says "capitalism good"
There was a reason no one replied and he has to keep bumping the thread right before it dies.

Also, China won lmao

>>105590766
>rightoid wageslave
I support a free market dictatorship because I hate working and want to minimize and eventually abolish working.
Its the left that wants to keep the working class as perpetual wageslaves. Look at Venezuela or north Korea.
>>105591165
>no argument, just seething over having no refutation
LOL
>taking down the strawman
You're seething I dismantled your braindead strawman argument? Lol
>no one took the bait
Yet here you are lmao
>pre-programmed talking points
This is so hilarious because hardly anyone makes the arguments I make. 99% of the time I argue with socialists or conservatards they have the same mind numbing talking points that have been refuted a million times like "socialism bad 100 trillion dead iphone etc"
You're crying that someone is actually making unique arguments.
>glorified ad
LOL are you crying that PraxBen took down your e-daddy hakim? Grow up.
>literally who
250k tiktok followers lol
>he has SOURCES!
You're literally crying that your arguments get refuted with SOURCES. HAHAHA what fucking point are you even trying to make? You're just telling me how mad you are that you lost and have no refutation kek
>misus institute
Mises chads stay winning
>There was a reason no one replied
Yeah, (You) didn't reply because it triggered you so much that your dumb authoritarian manchild talking points all got dismantled. You obviously have reddit open in the other tab, go back to /r/latestagecapitalism you marxist subhuman

>China won
Milei won and you literally look like this: >>105583744
LMFAO
All of the pro-china, pro-north korea religious cultist tankies are FAT FUCK trannies who spend all day seething.

>>105591874
>Milei won
>h-he just did OKAY!!
China won lmao

>>105590357
What's their problem? He is literally less radical than Trump and even Musk. He said "DEI bad" but that's opinion shared by most people.

>>105591976
>>h-he just did OKAY!!
He did and his party is going to win the midterms so he can implement even more free market reforms so the economy of Argentina can grow and so the working class can be lifted out of poverty far more than his current successes.
I cannot wait for the insanity and mental gymnastics from communists when this happens. It's going to be so kino.

>china won
What are you going to do when xi loses power and China liberalises?
>NOOOOOOO MY SLAVES
LOL touch grass incel

>>105592023
>so the economy of Argentina can grow and so the working class can be lifted out of poverty
China won lmao

>>105592033
>posting this ancient pic
>he doesn't know what shock therapy is
LOL
Remember last year when you guys were claiming Milei somehow increased inflation?
Look at it now lol
Commies can't stop taking Ls
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/argentina-inflation-cools-may-lowest-over-five-years-2025-06-12/

China lost lmao

>>105592033
>>105591976
Why is Taiwan such a better place to live than fucking china?
Imagine defending china on /g/ like some bootlicker

>>105592068
You guess derailing this thread, i wanted to stay away but i hate injustice so here you. Judge yourself.

>>105592138
guys*

>>105592055
>>105592068
Imagine being a bot who can only communicate by copy and pasting the same low effort talking points that were already posted lol
Imagine having to keep baiting to keep your shitty thread bumped because this is all you have to do with your day lmao
Imagine literally having to samefag the same thread and playing fucking make believe that anyone else is backing you up rofl

China won lmao

>>105592170
LOL bro why are you still replying to me after getting BTFO this badly. You made a bunch of retarded tankie claims you found on reddit and in hakim youtube videos, I utterly refuted them all and you had absolutely no response.
Now you're here seething at me instead of taking the L like a man and closing the tab.
>bot
You're the one refusing to argue in good faith, you sound like chatgpt.
>copy and pasting
Why do you keep lying? If I was simply doing that and making common arguments, you should be able to easily refute me? No?
>low effort talking points
Dude just lol, lmao even
everyone can see my long and detailed posts in this thread.
Why do marxists lie constantly? They aren't even people.
>that were already posted
Which you couldn't refute.
>Imagine having to keep baiting to keep your shitty thread bumped
You're the one who keep replying after you got raped kek.
It's so easy to make you animals angry.
>this is all you have to do with your day
You're a communist, you are obviously unemployed and spend half the day dilating and eating fatty foods.
>samefag
Nope.
>make believe that anyone else is backing you up
Do you honestly think people on this board are going to take the side of a tankie redditor that defends china?

>pic
Yes this is a good thing. Allowing people to trade in whatever they want is a good thing. Competing currencies instead of a fiat monopoly is a good thing. I know you want to keep the working class impoverished by consciously debasing their wages and savings by printing money but that's because you're a tranny cuck with a slave fetish.

China lost lmao
Milei won and his successes are going get better and better and will drive you people absolutely INSANE. Lets watch the kino.

>>105592338
>seething so fucking hard that all of his cope has to literally and unironically be itemized
China won lmao

>>105592456
I accept your concession on every single one of those points. :)
>milei agrees to work with china
Whoa, what an epic pwnage. This totally makes up for you being wrong on literally everything else haha

China still lost tho and xi will lose power in my lifetime.

What a shit thread. KYS everyone.

>>105579334
>I think linux is great
>but I have no idea what xorg is or most of the linux software is
You don't actually care about linux or free software at all.
>>105579372
Doesn't so much attract them as it's one of the few places they can go and still get things done since the fights they start have to play out over text.

>>105572891 (OP)
Shiiiet maybe its time I go all x11 and run EXWM afterall.

>>105592548
>Whoa, what an epic pwnage
Damn right it was. That's because, like always, China won lmao

what is it with redditbrains and their fetish for forcing everyone to use laggy software?

why do jews want us running wayland?

oh the jews are pushing it because they hate the gpl

>>105592008
in a strange twist, saying "DEI bad" makes racists think you're racist

>>105598141
To power trip, because they were too stupid to land a job elsewhere where they feel they have more perceived control over people. A lot of this scum has infiltrated FOSS and they don't even give the first fraction of a shit about free software principles or recreational programming.

>>105574025
What game is this? File name says Crazy Taxi 4 but that doesn't exist. Crazy Taxi 1 doesn't have a Linux build that I could find.

umm disliking wayland and other quality freedesktop.org software, such as systemd and pulseaudio, is a fascist dogwhistle

>>105572891 (OP)
>Xlibre dev breaks ABI compatibility
>write shitty code that only rewrites functions into macros
>get into schizo rant with freedesktop devs
>gets banned
>fork project and blame everything on DEI and RedHat

Lol, what a fucking loser.

>>105598194
>Hence, there's a good argument to be made that the MIT License, also called the X Consortium or X11 License at the time, crystallized with X11 in 1987

>debating with trannies on 4chan about things that neither of you have any say in
you guys should seek employment and maybe get some ladies in your life