Thread 105574961

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (Measurements, Targets, Equalizer, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki:
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Tangzu Wan'er S.G 2 (Mild V) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) - $8
• EPZ TP13 (8-Band PEQ) - $17
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>105556287

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>>105575024
mogged by edc pro

at least we can all agree that edc pro is better than headpos

>EQ pos to raw JM-1 DF
>play with a subtractive 500 Hz high shelf filter with a Q of 0.4 to DF-equalized pos
>adjust till it sounds like genelecs in a room (having loudspeakers isn't important ok)
>done
here's your EQ Guide retards, enjoy

>>105575102
Crazy how well the headpos law holds up.

>>105575120
>>105575127
lmao

>harman: shouty thin pos
>jm1: muddy dark pos
>every other peqdb target: mega bright noob trap pos
that's it, i'm going to the good ol days of not using eq

>>105575161
Or you could just read the EQ guide. Remember, if your EQ looks like some target you fucked up.

>>105575181
yeeaaaah but that takes effort and energy, i prefer being a lazy retard

>>105575181
I make the sliders look like a zigzag. Is that good?

>>105574961 (OP)
>using inconvenient pos that also sounds like shit
Are audiophiles just masochists with extra steps?

>>105575310
yep

>>105575310
How can something inconvenient sound like shit. It's clearly inconvenient for a reason.

>>105574961 (OP)
Remember to keep your Z1R nozzles clean!

>>105575463
nature's low-pass filter...

Asano Tanch? More like Assano Stench!

>>105575229
You need at leasts a 1000 sliders to make it sound good.

>>105576141
erm actually, speakers are endgame and you want a FR that has 6 million peaks

i listen music the whole day, i think IEMs are a good investment, is good buying some expensive ones but never falling in the luxury spectrum.
pic related is an IEM

>>105576077
Shut the fuck up and drop some Pure news, you damn rabbit whore

>>105576658
It's good to have 3-5 sets or at least a few backups of one set. IEMs are small and break easily, and the market moves pretty quickly.

thoughts?

>>105576675
shut up bloody bitch benchold

>>105576687
price?

>>105576687
>no peq
garbage garbage garbage
why can't these chinks fucking figure it out already

>>105576699
199

>>105576783
that's very overpriced if im honest, the SO at least is open source?

>>105576696
>hibyOS
just kill me man

what happens when edc pro 2?

>>105576861
stealth revised in 1 week, 1 month tops

>>105576658
Get a bunch of cheap ones. There's no correlation between price and sound quality.

KZ says that the EDC Pro is trash. Case closed.

>>105574961 (OP)
>JCally JM6 (Non Pro) - $8
Does this even exist? I can only find Pro versions.

>>105576961
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005007455683175.html the pro is fine, but the extra power doesn't make much sense with normal pos and it'll drain more battery

>>105576891
dipshit take.

>>105576993
Is it a US thing?

>>105576998
idk man, he's right
studies show it, i didn't believe it at first but now i do

>>105576891
>>105577024
You are brown.

>>105577028
thermonuclear trvke

>>105577006
probably, but if you're in NA apple dongle/samsung dongle will be just as good

>>105577028
if that makes you less angry, then sure
just know that there is no correlation between price and sound quality

How do dac chips differ from one another if lets say dacs of either measure well?

>>105577044
if both measure well, meaning they are both audibly transparent, then they will sound the same
it's like asking how do drivers differ from one another if they achieve the same FR. they'll sound the same
remember that the material is never the output, but rather the sound they shit out.

Give me the QRD on Transjim products from best to worst

>>105576911
>blurry simgot ea500
lol i love kz

>>105577028
you bloody bnechold bastard

>>105577087
All of them?

>>105577119
Yeah

>>105577123
Will probably take a while, but you really want every product they've ever made?

Any good < $100 gaming IEMs? preferably with anime booba

>>105577130
Just the DACs and IEMs you can still buy

>>105577062
Is ASR the only place doing more extensive measurements?

>>105576911
>3 drivers shitting up your ear with no special shekl design adapted for the sound

>1 functional driver
What will it be?

My Fiio JA11 USB dac broke after like 3 months of normal, and desu minimal usage. I kept it in my back jeans pockets when I went out or did stuff around my house with the USB port facing up.

Rather disappointed and find this a retarded design, it's certainly a stress break in the cabling. So my question is:

Are there any USB dacs like the fiio ja11, available from a US retailer that has actual support sheathing on the wiring? And if not how can I reinforce it myself to stop it from happening on a new dongle? Also need a reccomendation on a dongle available from a US retailer in this case if there isn't any reinforced ones, that I can mod myself.

>>105577133
ez
>>105570831
(seriously tho any decent 1DD will be good for gaming)

>>105577178
this is why the dongles that separate the unit from the cable exist.

>>105577133
Truthear Gate

>>105577178
all dongles have poor strain relief better buy kiwi ears allegro mini, it uses the same dac as ja11 so you can flash the ja11 firwmare and use the app/eq

>>105577169
referenceaudioanalyzer, l7audio used to, hypethesound as well (different things but might be worth looking at), not sure if goldensound has some, and some companies do publish their apx measurements (moondrop, tanchjim, fiio) although these should be taken with a grain of salt (from my experience they are decently accurate)
you can probably find a few others on korean naver blogs

>>105577233
hypethesonics*

>>105577227
Cool, I'll check this out. Thanks.
>>105577216
I was under the impression the material would be more stiff when I bought it, but it flops around like a wet noodle.


If it's a known issue why are these even cable dongles made and recommended? It's not like you need the extra cable length? And your IEM wires also bend to whatever you're putting them in without causing catastrophic damage in such a short time. Even if they did, you could get a new cable for the IEMs cheaper than a new dongle.

>>105577201
>>105577210
>>105577223
why should I prefer a 1DD over a 2DD one?
isn't the extra driver supposed to give them more detail on the upper frequencies?

>>105577290
>why are these even cable dongles made and recommended?
There are pros and cons to any product. Many different solutions exist (DAC with replaceable cable, blocks built without a cable part, BT DAC, etc.), as have been suggested to you. A dongle's function is entirely distinct from an IEM or cable, comparing their cost is irrelevant. They work for what they are.

best iem for sabrina carpenter?

>>105577290
And btw not to make it some brandshitter wars, but you can see that JA11 is not recommended in OP or the shopping guide. Crinacle, a guy who literally profits from selling them, issues a warning in a video that they get an abnormally large amount of customer service requests regarding JA11. Now you know.

>>105577351
Truthear iems

>>105577320
what 2DD are you talking about? Barely anything is 2DD nowadays
>isn't the extra driver supposed to give them more detail on the upper frequencies?
in theory
on practice it probably won't matter especially for gaming. All the gaming shit is in lower frequencies

>>105577376
This isn't directed at you, but, It's tiresome to sort through information on the internet to find a usable product these days. Everything feels so insidious and Jewish. Especially with how raped everything is with SEO AI spam garbage on every search engine.

I can't trust YouTube reviews because astroturfing free reviews. I can't trust reddit because it's full of actual retarded Indians. I can't trust normie reviews because they don't know shit.

If I go on audiosciencereview I have to sniff out the pseudo intellectuals from the people who know what they're actually talking about. At the end of the day I just want something that doesn't break and sounds good enough; I'm not chasing unnoticeable sound floor differences.

I got tired and just bought those because I don't have the time or energy anymore to try to figure out what the best value for my dollar is these days. Yeah, I probably should have checked here too before I bought them, but what makes /iemg/ more trustworthy than anywhere else?

>>105577320
No. You ask an over-simplistic question, and there are many reasons why it does not hold true in specific comparisons of models that exist.

>>105577440
Why are you reading posts on ASR? All that you need are the graphs, or rather, literally just one graph - the 50mv SINAD graph. If its good, then you just have to check for reports of clicking/popping, shit breaking, or other issues. Best place to go is usually head-fi because of how large the userbase is. Some manufacturers also directly post and answer questions there, just ignore all the dac/amp mysticism and cable bullshit.

>>105577440
>but what makes /iemg/ more trustworthy than anywhere else?
Frankly not much if you mean the regular anonymous posts. There are plenty of bad-faith shit spammers here.
But the OP guides are maintained by more sincere individuals without obvious agendas. They try to remain impartial and share information.
I empathize with you. At the end of the day, you cannot trust anyone, especially because hearing audio is an entirely subjective experience.
>audiosciencereview I have to sniff out the pseudo intellectuals
You don't though. You should just be looking at the measurements.

>>105577440
Around here there is generally lots of "back-seat critique," (meaning people who don't even own the product give their opinion about why it's shit). It's not necessarily a good thing, but at least you can hear the cons about a product instead of only furthering confirmation bias about the pros that some shilltuber is rambling on about.

>>105577472
>Why are you reading posts on ASR?
Because I used it to find frequency graphs when buying IEMs originally and thought the users might have some insight that would prove useful, since the sentiment I gathered is that the forum is more objective than subjective.

You're likely speaking from a position of knowledge. I don't know shit, and as a result I don't know who or what information to trust. That's the fatiguing part, people on the internet being confidently incorrect and misleading. I don't want to or have the time to cross vet dozens of sources to ensure what's being said is accurate.

I'm not going to learn the science of how this works either at a fundamental level to fact check stuff. I already have to do this in my day to day life after getting jewed to death on mechanical work for my cars (retarded Nigger techs cross threading my lug nuts, breaking chrome caps off the lug nuts, not attaching splash guards after snapping tabs, incorrectly installing bearing hubs, quoting me 2k USD on a new catalytic converter when the MAF and spark plugs were the issue. I could literally go on for hours about the retardation I've seen) and work on my house.

Head-fi scared me off after I tried reading reviews of some headphones and IEMs and one review says these have no bass, these have too much bass. Then they pull out a thesaurus to try to describe the sounds, it's like some faggot Sommelier shit.

The solution I've decided is to simply listen to a product and use it myself before buying, but that's not possible for most of the recommendations I see.

>>105577489
>You should just be looking at the measurements.
he should be using his ears more than anything

>>105577138
Ok here goes nothing. No distinction will be made between alternate versions of the same IEM, but I will mention and discuss them. No EQ (unless DSP is included), all inclusive (price, build, fit, etc). Starting from best to worst. Stuff I haven't personally tried will be marked with a *.

IEMs
>Bunny
Cheap and comfortable. Stock and DSP sound good; the provided 5 filters are more than enough to polish the IEM to a very high standard.
>One
Bunny but in bullet form. Docking points because the stock analog sound is mediocre. Same DSP story.
>Fission*
Could be higher honestly. Bunny on crack, and upgraded 4U. Bass gimmick is still a switch, nozzle replacement is good mostly for repairability. The cable is the real show stealer: it's basically their Cable X
>Origin
Their best built, most luxurious feeling IEM. Fit is not great, sound is on the bright side but still competent. Decent accessories but a bit disappointing for the price.
>Mino
TWS with DSP at an affordable price that doesn't do anything outright wrong. Mediocre battery life, but apart from that a decent beater TWS.
>Kara
First big departure for Tanchjim. Tuning is weird (not negative or positive). Same as Origin, feels a bit overpriced, comfort is not great, but it's also not exceptional in terms of build and feel.
>4U
Bunny made out of metal but not as good. Overpriced for what it offers, bass switch is purely a gimmick, not useful.
>Tanya
Decent bullet, but non-detachable cable is a big no-no for me personally. Does not help that the cable is bad.
>Ola
There is the bass version (basically like the analog One) and the regular version (weird tuning, negative). Fit is disgusting.
>Echo
Demo'd it once. Never again.


Sources in next post, approaching limit

>>105577562
>one review says these have no bass, these have too much bass
many such cases

>>105577138
>>105577581
>Stargate II*
Looks solid, and includes DSP. No reports of weird behavior or very bad QC/failure.
>Luna
One of the best measuring portable DAC/amp. A bit overpriced for what it offers, but it is built excellently.
>Cable X
Tried it and returned it. Don't get me wrong, it's a great product, just not for me and overpriced for what is essentially just a cable with DSP.
>Space (and Lite version)*
Not sure if they're discontinued but hey why not. Both irrelevant now with the Stargate II and Luna.
>VAST*
Looks sick.

>>105577562
In this world, the knowledge you have is power. Working on your car and home are good analogies in that sense. If you develop the foundational knowledge, you are less prone to mistakes and poor decisions. (ofc part of experience / growing up is making some of those mistakes along the way) Same applies to audio. Learn the foundational knowledge and skills, you're set to take care of yourself and ward off con-men and retards for life.

>>105575055

Thanks for letting us know that you're gay.

>>105577562
One way to change your perspective is that audio will literally be a lifetime thing for you, right? For all your foreseeable future, you will be listening to content with audio, played from speakers.
What form of speakers (room, personal, etc.) and the setup may differ, but it will be an ever-present aspect of your life. Maybe you don't know shit now, well when are you gonna learn? Throwing your hands up and giving up would be a pretty pathetic answer, eh? Learn, parse out the good info from the bad, etc. We have some resources in OP including the EQ guide.

>>105577440
>but what makes /iemg/ more trustworthy than anywhere else?
Quite literally nothing. There are probably more retards than useful posters, so you'll have to do the same here as elsewhere: ignore most, and pick out actual useful info.
/iemg/ loves to use every small nitpick and negative thing and blow it to the max. If you want to know the negatives of something, just post it here asking if this is a good buy and you'll get 2 replies saying it killed their families, and 2 shills saying to buy other unrelated shit.
>>105577562
>I'm not going to learn the science of how this works either at a fundamental level to fact check stuff.
Don't need to, thankfully the OP has everything you need:
>shopping guide
Not perfect, some meme products in there, but it is a very good overview of the market and what it has to offer, and there are tons of resources too.
>EQ guide
Arguably /iemg/'s hidden treasure. If you want to learn some useful shit, this is where you should go. Not really a guide, but rather a compendium of what to know if you want the best of the best IEMs.
>gazette
Passion project that curates the best posts from /iemg/. Every time there's a new schizo in town I just read the gazette, it gathers measurements and stuff from anons here.

oh boy here come the eq brigade and their nonstop shilling of their "guide" (pretentious know it all slop)

>>105577669
sv fvcking trve

What other IEM do you want to see in the case studies?

>>105578023
QDC Golden Dragon

>>105578023
tkzk ouranos

>>105576696
It does have a 10 band PEQ.

>>105578023
Salnotes Zero, ED9 Pro

>>105579025
proofs? instabuy if it does

>>105577581
>>105577610
where zero ultima

>>105578023
All you got

>>105579498
Below Mino
>Zero Ultima
Quite literally the Bunny but in bullet form. Same tuning and DSP implementation and everything.
Put lower because it has non-detachable cables, and Tanchjim stock cables of this type have always ended up stiffening up. Still a solid option, just not for me.

>>105579532
I got a pair, and it is hands down the comfiest bullet I own. I don't know why nobody puts a nozzle at an angle to the body like Tanchjim does, but it is genius.

>>105574961 (OP)
>get 30$ moondrops with Apple usb-c adapter
>one of them stops working after 3 months
>replace the cord with a 20$ thick usb-c cable
>it starts working again, sound quality is worse though
>the other one cuts in and out sometimes
>whatever i'm listening to pauses when the jack gets ever so slightly touched
>the 3 wireless earbuds I've tried all have loud screeching static
I'm so done with amazonshit. Even if the brands are reputable, it's garbage quality somehow. I never even used them often, probably under 30 hours while laying in bed and they still shorted out. I'm going to throw everything out and get a real set, any recs for under 70$?

>>105579569
unironically bunny dsp
there's nothing worth paying more than $20-30 under $70

>>105574961 (OP)
lol wtf is that shit in his ears? bet these things fall out constantly with slight head movements faster than 1inch a second.

>>105575024
>big bang theory fan
opinion discarded.

>>105575463

how do you even let it get that bad in the first place, worra tramp.
>>105576679
>the market moves quickly
what does that have to do with owning a set of in ear headphones?

>>105577040
>buying online from china
and we wonder why the west is performing poorly
>>105579569
keep stimulating the western economy buying cheap chinese in ear monitors off amazon. thank you for supporting western culture

>>105579755
sounds like a skill issue
west can't even produce good in ear monitors lmao who's fault is that?

>>105579765

>the west cant produce anything
thats your skill issue. however any company you buy from utilises chinese labour so its either quick death, slow death, or make your own phones. your low iq isnt capable of making your own, lmfao.

>>105579802
meds

>>105579811
cope

>>105576891
There is. More expensive IEMs sound worse.

>>105579730
>what does that have to do with owning a set of in ear headphones?
If you buy something you like it might not be available when it breaks in a year.

>>105579859
i see. cheers. i wasnt even close lmao need more coffee.

>>105579802
If the west produced the Tanchjim Oxygen(tm) it would be marked up to 2000$

all your shit is mogged by edc pro
/thread

>>105577610
w-wait a sec- luna has no EQ?!?

>>105580155
None, which is why I don't recommend it to most. It's a good product and probably more than you'll ever need, but that's about it.
You get it for the engravings and to flex on retards here.

>>105580174
sucks. but, yeah, no EQ means this:
>You get it for the engravings and to flex on retards here.
is a solid assessment.
what a waste.

kinda of a dumb question but can I get an ID on this pair?
The seller is retarded and refuses to give me the brand (but they cost $10)

>>105580309
edc pro is $3 and is definitely better than this mystery meat.

>>105580309
I didn't found anything on Google either

>>105580320
didn't find*

>>105576077
it's Ass Anal Stench

Do you guys recommend a Tanchjim Stargate II DAC for full headphones (an hyperX headphone) with mic?
I want one because my old hyperX DAC cannot filter some noise and also somehow the sound from the headphones bleeds into the microphone

>>105580325
sorry

what do you think about QKZ? are they any good?

>>105580623
QKZ Khan used to be one of the top recs for bassy/warm sound enjoyers on a budget a few years ago, but as of 2025 they have completely faded into obscurity and are mostly forgotten.

>>105580707
>>105580623
QKZ is the story or probably one of the greatest fumbles in human history

>>105580623
It seems like some of these companises strike gold once and then go and fuck it up. Case in point: QKZ VK6 and CCA CRA. Instead of continuing to manufacture them ininterrupted, they go ahead and quickly release CCA CRA+, CRA 2, and they all suck ass. Just take the sennheiser approach of releasing the good shit forever, even if sales slow down.

>>105581072
I think you mean the VK4 but I know what you mean.
It’s strange. It’s almost like the defect is in their DNA. They literally cannot help themselves.
When they tune a flat POS it’s a mistake in their eyes and they hate it even though it sells 10x their other shit.
Something about chinks in particular, they are drawn to insane pinna gain scooped and resonant dogshit like moths to a fucking flame.
Someone needs to do an autopsy on their ears or something. They must hear different.
I think we’ll fine that their brains or inner ears or something have massive fucking scoops at 2khz and 5khz because they literally can’t break their programming. It’s worse than a robot’s, even when they KNOW that a correct tuning will generate them more money.
No. They NEED to re-release their 99999th POS with the exact same shouty sibilant garbage as much as they need to breathe oxygen.

>>105581639
I bet the only reason VK4 was tuned the way it was tuned is manufacturing mistake. They clogged one of the inner vents with glue or something like that which resulted in the right tuning.

>>105580309
>The seller is retarded and refuses to give me the brand
And you are retarded and can't read the brand name on the box
Granted it wouldn't get you far

Is ity possible on HiBy OS rotate the view in landscape mode?

Random bullshit impressions and ramblings:

>Eminent Ears Emerald
This is the retail version of the Emerald. Warm V. Midbass and lower-mids are overwhelming. There's appropriate pinna gain and treble to balance the low-end, but it's an off-putting contrast: slow boomy bass clashing with frankly decent female vocals and treble.

Tip-rolling helps to remedy the low-end greatly, but bass is still not its strong suit. Sounds like a slightly better zero-red.

Stock tips - 3/10
Tip-rolling - 7.5/10

>Artpical Slime tips (eartips on the Michael)
Silicone material feels cheap and flimsy. Functions like a widebore. I'd choose the Divinus Prisms instead.

>Oriolus stock tips
Wide bore that for some reason kills treble extension. Also you lose a lot of subbass. Pointless.

>Lepic Nuon Boost and Clear
Tips that make your pos sound more V-shaped. Boosts bass and treble air at the expense of mids. Will not fit on IEMs with large nozzles.Not entirely pointless but super niche.

>iBasso DC Elite
Sounds like my DX340.

>Cayin RU9
Solid State and Modern Tube mode sounds similar and any differences is negligible.

Classic Tube mode makes for a very V-shape coloration - boosted midbass and more pinna which pulls female vocals closer. It's okay but I feel the iBasso AMP16 card does this tube coloration better. The RU9 introduces these higher order harmonics in an unnatural way. Meanwhile the Cayin C9 II and Luxury & Precision EA4 makes it sound effortless.

>>105581996 (me)
Where did my pic go

I need a pair of in ears with noise cancelling that will make me feel like I have gone deaf.
I would be wearing them for long periods of time too. Any recs?

>>105582331
Depends, above 300hz nothing beats etymotics with foam tips
If you only want to block low frequencies then something with and like the jabra elite 10 will do well but past 1khz is no better than your average IEM.

>>105582492
>something with and
ANC

Best pos for evil murderous kikes pulling us into another worthless middle east war?

>Ali sale in 3 days
I'm gonna do it, bros. I'm gonna buy the Hexa so they'll announce the Pure right afterwards. No need to thank me.

Linsoul: best sales, least interesting pos
Hifigo: shit sales, better variety
Ali: vat hell dragging sales to regular store prices
Boutique: no sales
Rant aside, Twilight or Mystic 8?

>>105582852
letshuoer generally has decent pos, but absolutely not the mystic8 imo.
shit sounds weak af. any BA pos from $20-$300 sounds as technical, some with arguably better tuning as well.

>>105582852
Single DD is always better.

>>105579569
Moondropped!

Buy Ruta10

>>105582766
I'll wait until they have another lego set to buy from turdear.

remember that preference for excessive bass is linked with aggression despite being something the population

>>105583032
Huh... anon? Are you ok?

>>105583046
side effects of excessive treble, probably

>>105583032
Retarded fuck up forgot to edit his image. Why is everyone in this thread a fucking idiot? It sucks being the only 160IQ genius here.

>>105583086
engineers, pilots and neuro-surgeons can be total fucking idiots, too.

>>105582852
>Boutique: no sales
Those discounts come from connections. Let's just say IEMs from a certain Polish manufacturer aren't as expensive as their MSRP would suggest.

>>105582852
yeah i was flirting with consooming, but i think i'm chillin. canjam later, 11.11 / BFCM afterwards. Top Pro and ddhifi Surface are the only pos i care about much atm outside of singapore-fi and kilobuck, i don't think they'll go anywhere, and they'll prob be the same or lower price.

>>105583110
you need to suck their dick in a review or hit them directly?

>>105582002
>"Huh DC Elite looks pretty cool let's see how much it-"
>$449
Fuck me, does everything with a volume knob either have to be expensive or have a shit build? Or both?

>>105583032
>>105583086
Class 3 listeners often forget things, please understand.
>>105583146
The retard tax.

>>105583086
chill small pp chink
it was meant to trigger oldfags

>>105583138
Ever since I got SA6II everything that I found interesting in 500-1000 range doesn't seem like a good idea when I watch reviews and see direct comparisons to Dunu.
>>105583146
afaik it uses desktop class dac chip that is somewhere around $200 but don't quote me on that

>>105577386
I bought gate, thx

>>105583173
>SA6II
bleh, not for me at all but if it's your jam enjoy it
>watch reviews and see direct comparisons
that's just confirmation bias. i know plenty including myself who don't jive with it at all, and prefer many other picks. listen for yourself.

>>105583140
You need to be privy to whenever those insider group buys are happening and get invited to them by association. Be it from being acquainted with the founder himself, or being pals with the regional distributor. Sure reviewers do enjoy discounts but a broader perspective they're largely getting sloppy seconds.

>>105583146
Those CNC-machined chassis don't come cheap.

Sir whats the latest meme iem to buy

>>105579728
Thanks for letting us know that you're a faggot

Gotta say, NJ Singularity is probably the biggest meme I've heard.

>>105583203
SA6 is my first pos where instead of ABing my other pos from collection for differences I had them plugged for few days straight and didn't touch anything else. Other than treble (insertion depth) and the fact they are unforgiving with my ear canals ((You)) issue that requires shallow insert or long tinkering) I'm very happy with them. Probably first pos that I could keep as my only set and live with it.
>listen for yourself.
european desert with no place to audition. I get by direct comparisons with what I already listened to.

Say no to rats and banish them to realm of forgotten possibilities

eqzo, please do the funniest shit ever and add the edc pro to the guide

>>105583265
>night jar
What a fitting name for a pos manufacturer
>>105583146
don't be a retard and get a desktop dac/amp with a volume knob

Post fox tunes to relax to
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKo_IJDCO9c&pp=ygUMZm94IHNoaXJvYm9u

is it true that a $3 edc pro made the hobby too accessible that it makes the community seethe at it?

>>105583415
Vidos exist since pre pos era and bring music to the masses.

>>105583415
not only that, it destroyed TOTLs too

are IEMs better than headphones?

>>105583415
no. the only ones here seething are the ones who rely on eq and think their edc pro eq'd can compete with $100+ sets.
>tune this $13 to a $1400 pos and you get the same sound, including the same technicalities as the more expensive pos you eq'd to"
yeah right.

>>105583436
Yesn't.

>>105583436
no headband pressing down, no hair matting, no clamp force, better SNR, lower THD, more consistent FR.

>>105583436
iems > speakers >= flatheads > headpos

>>105583466
>more consistent FR
isn't that a downside since preferred FR is dependent on your head and ear shape?

>>105583478
>my hrtf kept getting in the way and I had to adjust every pos I have accordingly.
do autists really???

>>105583307
But I want a portable knob

>>105583436
For the most part yes, but headphones have some advantages like meatier feeling bass and more openness which can be preferable for some people. Unfortunately they also accelerate hair loss which is not good, most people here are already balding so its extra brutal.

>>105583478
consistent FR as in
>better tolerances between L/R channel
>better tolerances for unit variation
>less random peaks and dips
>easier to take a quality measurement
>easier to remain in stable position, thus maintain stable FR
none of those are downsides. they are positives, especially in the context of HRTF

>>105583478
Headphones don't "adapt" to your head/ear shape, you can get a million of different FRs with one pair of headphones on your own head if you put them on differently or just wait until the pads compress. The variation starts from 1.5kHz.

>>105583522
>Headphones don't "adapt" to your head/ear shape
they dont need to because they sit on your head, not in your ear

>>105583531
And? There's a million of different ways to sound wrong while being on your head and you get all of them.

>>105583518
If you're done with your pos and source upgrades are bugging you, DCE is worth getting for psychological aspect alone - next stop is probably somewhere around few $k.

edc pro is king

>>105583640
of its price bracket, maybe

>>105579853
there's like a good spot at $150 usd where the good iems are at, over $150 is just luxury price.
dacs and preamps are literal snake oil and audio tech was solved many decades ago.

>>105583694
easily beats iems that are priced around 20-40 usd

>>105576687
for the love of god why can't chinks make a reasonable form-factor player
make it THIN not a fat fucking brick
look at the Zune HD, that was the perfect size

>>105583748
in what ways? which pos?

I don't know if it's something with my ears, but every single IEM I've bought has had the filters getting clogged. Aria, Chu, even non-Moondrop CCA CRA. I think I need something without filters. What should I get? Under 100 dollars. As cheap and good as possible ideally.

>>105583790
any iem that are in that price range, sound and comfort wise mostly

>>105583796
simgot ea500 or artti r2

>>105583750
I'm still hoping some Chang will figure out to make roxkboxable sansa clip zip. I will buy 5 units min.

Should I buy the EDC Pro shit you're all shilling? It's only 8 dollars with free shipping apparently. Is it actually good?

>>105583855
>Should I buy the EDC Pro shit you're all shilling? yes
>Is it actually good?
yes

>>105583855
pls dont buy it, the hobby will lose its entertainment value... all the new hybrid/ba slop won't entice you into buying things anymore. it's very boring reaching endgame

just a small reminder that edc pro has been revised
nothing major, but still worth pointing out

>>105583855
yes and yes

>>105583855
It's only good in that you can get it for cheap and it is perfect for EQ (read the guide).
If you use it stock it's nothing special, still good for the price.

>>105583855
it's ok for the price and good for EQ. should be 5 bucks though.

>>105583802
well, you're wrong entirely.
>>105583812
ea500lm

>>105583950
ea500 > ea500lm

>>105584083
to some, sure.

>>105584083
>garbage vs garbage

>>105584111
yeah, I agree, EDC Pro mogs both of them

>>105583640
Shhhhuu
Go away rat, no rats allowed.
GET BACK TO THE RAT DEN

>>105584111
>>105584140
one's deaf, one's broke

>>105584173
One?

>>105584154
rats own this general now sis

>>105584083
>>105584111
>>105584140
true
>>105584099
to most it is
>>105584173
both retards

die rat

never forget
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/monthly-issues/january-2025/#kz-edc-pro-stealth-revision

>>105584221
thanks for reminding me of how good kz's channel matching is, even the revised pair has perfect treble matching... truthear and tanchjim can only dream about that

Any IEM for stupid autistic people?

>>105584259
any 1DD + EQ Guide

>>105584211
Plz no bully *squeak squeak*

>>105584259
eq guide is made for and by autists

if the autism guide was any good, it would be ppopular, and yet here we are with one samefag shilling it

>>105584250
that looks like shit. why is this praised?

>>105584314
Nothing good is popular.

>>105584332
you'd at least think it'd be popular enough to have more than one samefag shill

>>105584332
and everything 'good' gets shat on. the amount of cope in this general is obscene.

>>105574961 (OP)
I caved in one day and decided to try one out so I bought fancy looking but cheap ones online called QKZ i think.
How the fuck is it so good and different compared to regular ear phones?
I thought IEMs are just tiny magnets that makes a sound just like ear phones but you can clearly hear the difference and they're great for games too compared to any headphones that exist out there. It's hitting your ear's g-spot the first time you try them on.

7, space, 3

edc pro or edx pro?

>>105584689
bunny

>>105584434
Why did you buy that pos,,,
>>105584689
q1 pro

truthear x crinacle zero:red

>>105584697
which one?

>>105584697
>q1 pro
kz didn't make it so no

>>105584754
>kz didn't make it
That's the best part.

Dunno if this is the place to ask, but could rockbox somehow affect the ability of my iPod to charge/stop the cable from working? I'm using some shitty third party cable, and it's been fine up until now, but I decided to put rockbox on my iPod classic yesterday. Everything seemed fine, I did it, then moved music on to it and it worked. Today it is completely dead. Won't turn on, won't reboot, won't connect to any computer. The only alternative to rockbox having completely bricked it is that the battery is dead and for some reason the previously working cable won't charge it. I've tried another one and it's the same, but it is the same manufacturer.

I'm really grasping at straws to not admit that rockbox has completely killed my iPod aren't I?

Hype 2 is pretty good.

>>105584866
Easiest thing to do is open it back up and swap in a new battery to check.

Anyway, you got memed hard with both iPod AND rockbox. Rockbox is complete dogshit on iPods, ruins the battery life. And iPods are complete dogshit in general, being bulky retard machines that are heavily overpriced these days because "muh apple". You should've just got an NW-A15.

>>105583381
Only real fox tunes
https://soundcloud.com/solomonfranceofficial/fox-stevenson-miss-you-solomon-france-remix

ok guys, the weekend is here, time to take a break from shilling and enjoy some thai massages. cya on Monday

>>105583381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZLIJ85r1bY

>>105585028
with a happy ending?

I'm done coping with multi driver pos, single DD is simply superior.

>>105585069
of course bro)))

>>105583381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DizopdPMBw

>>105584975
maybe he had the ipod since it came out and still finds it useful. didn't think of that did you, pretentious little titty baby?

>>105585071
WOW psychezo > toltzo

>>105585071
We warned you about the dreaded BA, bro.

>>105584736
THAT pos.

>>105585093
Right, I'm sure the guy who waited until 2025 to put rockbox on an iPod has just kept it in a box for the past 20 years.

>>105585135
you got me mixed up with someone else. I don't own an edc pro.

>>105583381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAxgRS8aRNE

>>105585166
you own simgot tho

>>105585071
So true bestie. Went from Performer 8s, but then I got serious about audio so I had to upgrade.

>>105585185
damn straight. do you?

>>105585093
>>105585144
Actually yeah. Mainly cos I'm trying to not use iTunes cos I've gone full retard and switched to Linux and other foss alternatives for managing iPods are dogshit.

Looks like if I manage to get it alive again I'm going back to dual booting just for itunes.

Fucking freetards, I swear

>>105585187
>snoy

>>105585187
cute sticker

>>105585213
>crab in a bucket mentality
you're enjoying your library on a device that isn't his snoy trash and he can't accept it.

>>105585187
holy shit. I remember buying a ~$350 pair of snoy headphones and distinctly remember the feeling of regret as soon as I listened to something on them. fastest return of my life.

>>105585287
These niggas are really selling 30mm driver headphones with "basshead" tuning.

>>105585269
>enjoying your library

Well, not anymore, because those rockbox retards have bricked it

>>105585338
have you looked into the surfans?

>>105574961 (OP)
>• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140
is it really neutral?

>>105585684
depends on what you mean by neutral, but yes it is generally considered as being neutral

>>105574961 (OP)
does someone know what kind of earpiece (the rubber things) Blessing2:Dusk are using? I want to replace them.

>>105586000
you were lost when you convinced yourself to buy that pos years ago and you still don't know what eartips are?
it's time to actually take up a hobby

>>105585071
Next step:
Get rid of Chink 1DD pos

>>105580623
They stealth revised their QKZ x HBB set. Speaking of which does anyone know a seller that sells the original preferable on aliexpress?

I recently had a minor revelation/observation no one would give a fuck about, but I wanted to share it anyway.

I have HD600 at home and use Momentum True Wireless 2 on the go.
I use Xperia 1 III and recently ordered 1 VII (still waiting for it though).
Reading that it apparently has some cool Walkman DAC for the 3.5mm jack, I decided I should try out some wired headphones it should be able to drive, IEM in particular.
After looking up stuff online, I decided to go with IE200. Yes I'm biased towards Sennheiser - that much is obvious - but in this case in particular it was considerable cheaper here than all the "cheaper and better" options for its price category Reddit and other forums would usually recommend.

I tried them out and honestly was a bit disappointed.
Even compared to MTW2, they sounded a bit flat and hollow.
They had memory foam tips included in the box, so I swapped the stock ones with those (I already use memory foam tips on my MTW2) and it was an improvement, but I didn't try to play around with it further.

After reading more what people talk about specifically MTW vs IE200, the most common conclusion I found is that IE200 should sound much "better" but ANC should not be underestimated.
Realizing that, I tried to more directly compare them listening to the same song back-to-back with first MTW2 and then with IE200 while walking in some quiet place during the night.
And you know what - that made all the goddamn difference. The "flat and hollow" sound transformed into a "bright and detailed", it didn't feel like a downgrade anymore - rather a minor upgrade but with a pretty different flavor.
Picking up details in the music was easier with IE200 especially for the stuff in the mids.
The bass wasn't too bad either, the typical pop kick was plenty bassy, so much so I don't even know if I should bother with the tape mod. Bass guitar could maybe use some help but it didn't feel particularly bad either.

Still sounds like shit when it's not quiet, though.

>>105586157
I already have the IE600, its mediocre.

any iems that beat the hd 800s?

>>105586524
Anything from OP.

2 words, 2.333333....

>>105586509
both are dogshit, you somehow made the wrong choices but came to a decent conclusion which is that you need more bass when in noisy environments

Getting a lot of noise from my motherboard aux output, thinking of getting a usb dac as i'm assuming it would remove the noise.
Any good recs for something cheap (<50 euro) that can do 24/192?

i sense yet another one...

ive tried flat-ish bass. omg what a tragedy. so that's what hrt sounds like

>>105586719
fosi ds2

>>105586719
apple dongle/samsung dongle + usb-c extension

>>105586865
oh wait, why do you need 24/192? if that's a must forget apple dongle, samsung dong is 32/384

>>105586875
>why do you need 24/192?
sending my pc audio into a mixing board which goes into my music setup, also have a lot of high definition flacs
would either of the dongles get rid of the noise?

>>105586900
very likely, try the samsung dongle first, it's fairly cheap and rapidly available everywhere

>>105586924
appreciate that, cheers

hype 4 for $50, the hunt is over.

>>105586509
>After looking up stuff online, I decided to go with IE200. Yes I'm biased towards Sennheiser - that much is obvious - but in this case in particular it was considerable cheaper here than all the "cheaper and better" options for its price category Reddit and other forums would usually recommend.
any $20-30 chinese pos will be unironically better/on par with ie200. And for sure better than pos that is mtw2

>>105587323
nice snag. enjoy it

>>105586309
Wdym they stealth revised it, it was already ass lmao

>>105587518
>any $20-30 chinese pos will be unironically better/on par with ie200
>any
>unironically
and grizzly adams had a beard

we like tws and are tired of pretending we dont

>>105588008
TRVTH NVKE
remove pmpg (no1 cares) and replace with twsg

>>105587834
fucking space travel is better than mtw2

>he bought?
>drop the limbus company tws

I should've switched from headphones sooner, these things sound amazing

bros this has to be a record for the law

why is edc pro so good, bros?

>>105589184
you've been self brainwashed into believing such grand delusions that's why

>>105589193
I haven't been, I really do like them

>>105589184
it's fine
>>105589193
wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up

>>105589184
they don't fit me good so they are trash

>>105589222
you must have shit ears then

>>105589231
nah literally every other pos fir me just fine
but for factor edc pro and cca cra have is just awful for me

>>105589222
they dont fit anyone good, some people are just so poor they have to pretend to like it

Any Chu 3 insiders

>>105589257
keep telling that yourself honey

Post songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYedXc1ktT0&list=OLAK5uy_nfhCv-EQTuTHj-9-6j1-Wtuyoqhf-xLdY

>>105589020
i mean, it's always nice when headpos normies first discover pos but oh boy
>ieeeeeeeeeee200 and sonass

>>105589299
go to /mu/ for that.

>>105589299
https://youtu.be/tBR2ZDy7Ddk?si=jdxz-ho6pw34Fe9x

>>105589299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmaZv4RuzY8

>>105589264
Im inside your mom rn

>>105589299
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8zb-mqc5BB0

How do you cope with analysis paralysis?
I was waiting for specific pos on new sale but I'm starting to second guess myself (mostly because of that piece of shit Top Pro release, people comparing it to MMK2/3 and the fact that it will probably be around $400 with all discounts applied).

>>105588008
Only fox tws.

>>105590209
The fit is individual. The sound is individual. You just buy what you visually like and do the same thing every IEM needs, find the best fitting tips and then EQ. If the fit is still bad try again. It is possible to have IEMs you can wear all day without getting sore and without them slipping out but you may spend years looking for them. Avoid inherently bad(heavy) IEMs, prefer IEMs with longevity features like non-cloth or replaceable filters. If you need IEMs with extra good isolation then index for that first, well isolating IEMs are not going to be at the top of comfort/sound/looks, might even consider something wireless.

>buy 200 dollar iems
>spend 20 hours reconfiguring EQ, etc.
>all to listen to some drum and bass some tranny made in his bedroom with boseslop speakers
ishygddt

>>105590494
>ishygddt
I buy $500 pos, skip eq and listen to rips from doujinstyle. And now I plan to buy kilobuck on sale for the same purpose.

>>105590494
Only real troon tunes
https://youtu.be/OZ04Q6nfLMg

Are there really no better bullet IEMs than Tanchjim One DSP? Surely there has to be.

>>105590209
>Top Pro
It's okay, same V shape as all the other Xenns/Thieaudio pos. Still no retail stock yet but I managed to hear a reviewer's unit.

insane how the audiophile community cut through (most) of the gold plated placebo bullshit of the 2010s and now the scene is about just how cheap you can get before you get chinked

>>105590513
There's also zero ultima dsp.

>>105588008
I'm still confused on why the audio community treats TWS as this thing that will NEVER have as good of sound quality as ANYTHING that is wired.
Like somehow the wire is implied to be what gives good sound and if you get rid of that you literally can't get good audio.
Even when someone says a TWS has good sound quality it's "Oh but I meant good sound quality for a TWS that is, obviously it can't compare to actual wired audio".
Maybe this take made sense 6-7 years ago but certainly not anymore.

>>105590549
Isn't that just exactly the same as the One but without a removable cable?

>>105590530
My original idea was to get Softears Twilight (~$750). Now I've read that linsoul is doing at lest 10% off + $50 code and I put Thie Origin and that Top Pro on the list just because "bigger discount = better option". Now I try to build some math around it to feel better with my shit choice.

>>105590553
They're still bluetooth so they still suck.

>>105590553
>the wire is implied to be what gives good sound and if you get rid of that you literally can't get good audio.
That's unironically partially the reason - small driver, shit battery and dac chip all in one enclosure. Contrary to shit like 15mm dd powered by desktop amp over snake cable.

>>105590553
the limitations of the bluetooth spec.
until a ULL 5ghz TWS somehow gets produced like how wireless gaming mice work it'll never have good sound quality

>>105590575
Apparently Jlab Epic Lab solved latency. I send mine back without testing the adapter because I didn't like the signature.

>>105590590
bandwidth, not latency is the issue, no?

If you were to hook up your IEMs to something like a FiiO UTWS5, you're really telling me you'd be able to notice a difference in sound quality compared to if you just had them wired?

>>105590575
>until a ULL 5ghz TWS somehow gets produced like how wireless gaming mice work it'll never have good sound quality
all of those wireless gaming mice rely on 2.4ghz and some TWS already do the same thing as the mice where they have wireless 2.4ghz dongles they connect to

but why would latency have any correlation with sound quality?

>>105590570
Clarification to newfags that get tricked by numbers. The actual bluetooth part that transfers audio, A2DP, has not changed since 2006. Oh, bluetooth 5 can transfer 50 mb/s now? Eat shit, you get what the codec decides you get.

>>105590596
I can hear the difference in treble (compression in cymbals, sibilance) between AAC and LDAC in some pop tracks run from flac.
If you are playing stuff with kbps below upper threshold of specific codec there shouldn't* be difference (*decoding still can fuck up the reproduction).

>>105590593
Yeah. Latency is from compression and compression is from the poor bandwidth.

>>105590618
>press play
>left ear is 0.01s lagging behind right ear

>>105590646
>left ear is 0.01s lagging behind right ear
this is how I know you've never actually used tws in your life

>>105590565
That just seems like a fool's errand - you're trying to quantify/optimize a purely subjective circumstance. The 3 pos u mentioned all have different tunings so it seems to me like you're just chasing glorified shiny rocks rather than sound.

>>105590649
happened with my 60 dollar chinkshit in 2021

>>105590655
>60 dollar chinkshit
i think you have your answer on what really went wrong here anon.

>>105590649
It's a common problem. You put them back in the case and take them out and hope this gets fixed.

>>105590657
my wired 60 dollar chinkshit never has this problem so therefore TWS shit

>>105590671
>yfw the wired chinkshit starts failing in 6 months because it's made out of cheap chinknesium
but hey at least you *might* be able to repair it which is more than you could say about TWS batteries so I'll give you that.

>>105590560
With the retarded connector on One it might as well be non-removable.

>>105590687
Well does Zero Ultima do anything better than the One?

>>105590590
>Apparently Jlab Epic Lab solved latency
Clearly not. Until it's 10ms I'm not interested. Another tip for newfags, if something wireless has a dongle but you see latencies like this it's still bluetooth inside. 60ms is aptx LL, 30ms is lc3.

>>105590650
>rather than sound.
Because I don't have and will never have 'a target'. I prefer min-maxing and I'm still missing what all 3 have to offer.
What I optimize here is best value proposition during the sale - like the fact that Xenns and Thie not always go on sale where coupons are up.

>>105590704
Being cheaper? That's about it.

>>105590712
If you don't have a target you're not minmaxing, you're just retarded. What fucking value is there in a bunch of bellsings in a blob of plastic. You actually fell for the discount meme when all this shit has 1000% margins even with the discounts.

>>105590710
>60ms is aptx LL
It's closer to 40ms
>Until it's 10ms I'm not interested.
What do you need that 30ms difference for? If it's competitive FPS gaming or something I could understand but if you're just listening to music how does that 30 milliseconds impact you and cause a perceivable difference in sound quality?

>>105590738
10ms vs 30ms is the difference between a 120Hz monitor and a 30Hz monitor. You can easily feel that latency just browing youtube.

>>105590737
>If you don't have a target you're not minmaxing, you're just retarded
Get fucked with a rake. I'm not some sad deaf bitch listening to 3 albums of 'real music' on repeat for 20 years. I can also afford to experiment and have a preference to match signatures to specific genres and enjoy the shit out of it.
Good fucking lord, this board and it's butthurt obsession about how people spend their money like it's their own.

>>105590777
I don't believe you can notice a difference between 10ms and 30ms just by browsing youtube, but either way the question was about listening to music, so how would that nearly imperceivable 20ms latency affect sound quality?

>>105590836
Oh, for music it's completely unusable regardless of latency. Play a 10kHz tone over aptx.

>>105590824
If you actually cared about different signatures you would EQ.

>>105590712
>>105590565
>"bigger discount = better option"
Anon, why do you think it gets discounted. You chose perhaps the most reliable way to buy an actual piece of shit. A complete inversion of logic.

>>105591070

>>105591070

lemme guess u need moar

>>105590393
>rusfag

edc pro is still the best I think

>>105591123
Think harder.

>>105590712
>that piece of shit Top Pro
stop thinking and just buy it. you know it's calling your name.