Thread 105581558

meme program

I don't understand why everyone is raving over this. It's not that great and like everything Electron, it's bloated and slow.

>>105581558 (OP)
*your'e

Anyone knows what (javascript) library they use for their search function? Electron uses javascript libraries, right? So it must be one of those client-side search libraries. But nothing I found is as good as Obsidian and Dynalist (same company)’s search.
Or do electron applications use different more powerful js libraries than browser ones?

>>105581589
It just werks. Barely.

>>105581558 (OP)
shame the first one is such an irredeemable piece of shit.

>>105581589
It's shilled by the most soulless normies imaginable but is unironically useful in the sense that you can use it to better articulate any topic that interests you. The only thing is that these programs attract tinkertrannies who miss the point. It also doesn't help that everyone oversimplifies the software as being for "note-taking" when most of its users probably aren't even students.

>>105581589
it's free, can be self-hosted and works even in your android phone with useful plugins seamlessly. it just works

>>105582690
Self-hosted how? Isn’t the main selling point they are just a bunch of text files? Then the question would be reliably syncing them, like if you access the files from multiple devices.

>>105581558 (OP)
i made a mess using it , trying to apply the zettelkasten thing. pshh. i tried a few personal wiki type of stuff over the years, always end abandoning them because i don't even remember what's in there . or they break. or go paid mode like evernote. a personal ai assistant could be better for me , maybe.

>>105582764
by using git. there is even a plugin for hosting git with ui

>>105581558 (OP)
I've tried it like twice to set up but I don't see what's the point. Project becomes a huge cluster fuck very quickly and you no longer find anything.

>>105582847
You can probably link pages together and give them tags. Right now my project is an absolute mess as well, but I'm sure there are ways to properly organize things if you want.

>>105582817
In that case, the syncing will be manual?

>>105581558 (OP)
>second brain
I'm depressed enough with just one brain.

my second brain is my penor (already unlocked by ur mum xd)

It's a cycle with phases
>setting up note management, going all in studying through various note taking methods, productivity techniques, pomodoro your activities, build your work environment, etc, etc
>then burning out or skipping a few days so you lose the habit and just yolo through life for a while remembering things in your head and not bothering about taking notes
>work accumulates, so you start using paper and pencil and get all minimalist and hipster like "this is so much better than looking at a screen!", touch grass, embrace your mistakes and yadda yadda
>the notes begin to take a life of their own and you feel an urge to organize and get your shit together, so you get obsessive with note management once again

>>105582873
if you don't use the plugin, syncing your note's git repo is manual with git push/pull commend as you know
but with the plugin you can do it in obsidian app directly

>>105583027
For me it's a straight line, a flatline even:
>want to study proper note management, too lazy and too much analysis paralysis
>yolo I'll just write shit down in Obsidian, I'll edit and tag later
>never edit again, everything becomes a bloated everincreasing mess
>still feel productive despite not getting anything done because hey I wrote a lot of shit down that

>>105583120
*that I might never check again because it's too much of a mess
Sorry, post got cut off.

>>105581558 (OP)
I don't really understand how I'm meant to use it

pen+paper

>>105581558 (OP)
So it unlocks my scrotum?

>>105581589
i just use it with a plugin for auto creating timestamped notes with a hotkey so i ctrl+t ctrl+y and type shit and not have to remember to save it, so they won't disappear when windows crashes like all the notes in notepad do

never even ONCE have I used markdown or linking notes or any of that gay shit, I don't got time for that

>>105581589
For what it does there's not really any alternative that's good.
I suppose there's zettlr but that's not quite there yet and there's logseq which has such troubled development and organization structure noone can be blamed for not wanting to use it.
They fucked up the table entry and lately the export has been fucked for me, so if I could I'd love to switch, but alas, it's still the best option.

>no support for anything in tables
It's a joke compared to OneNote sadly.

>>105583202
Honestly you need to be mentally ill to come up with logseq. It’s such a strange program.

cures your notehopping

>>105581591
It's a stupid reddit meme that for some reason anons have decided to run into the ground just like redditors do for all their memes. He's probably dancing in celebration that he "gotcha" you with it.

>>105583300
I think it took off in part because it guaranteed replies for a while. I know some YouTubers said years ago that they misspelled things on purpose to get comments and engagement.

>>105581558 (OP)
why would I ever use it over emac?

>>105583300
>>105583318
holy fucking newfags

>>105583496
*newfriends
Don't be a roodypoo candyass.

>>105581589
What more do you need nigga?
God

how do you all take notes? I just cannot figure it out. And dont replay with
>i just dont
>i have one txt to do list
>pen and paper
I mean people that actually need to keep a lot in mind. I always wondered how the architect on my team does it

>>105583538
>roodypoo candyass

>>105583863
Taking good notes is both domain specific and subjective, so you'll have to give us something to work with.
What problems do you envision them solving? What kind of information do you want to record?
Only then can we give you some halfway decent advice.

>>105583904
I forgot they were spelled with a hyphen, it's probably been decades. In any case, this is what I was referring to:
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/4chan-word-filter

>>105583863
i make it as easy and frictionless as possible to add them.

rather than switching to obsidian, creating a new note, figuring out what to name it.
i just have small scripts that take input after pressing a keyboard shortcut.

whenever i make a new change, hotkey1 - type what i did
whenever i have a new todo item, hotkey2 - type what i did
etc
the script handles putting them where they ought to be.

>>105581558 (OP)
>can't speak proper english with two brains

>>105583916
This.

For example, I prefer Obsidian's canvas feature because I like to envision my notes as sticky notes and move them around, connect them with arrows and the like. But for someone else this might be completely useless depending on what they're trying to do. The canvas feature is woefully unoptimized as well and borderline unusable without community plugins like search or minimap, at least when you've got huge boards filled with notes.

>>105583946
my meme was trying to say
>that was 15 years ago
my favorite was "candy-assgot"

>>105583916
im a Product Owner essentially. I have to keep track on the development team, customer meetings, software releases and planned features. I manage to somewhat take care of deadlines by just putting everything into my calendar but with taking notes it just gets all over the place very quickly.
For example the linking thing Obsidian does very quickly becomes too nested.

It's just note taking app. How it's better than pen and paper?

>>105584071
>It's just note taking app. How it's better than pen and paper?

>>105584071
Nothing is better than pen and paper. Meanwhile, a lot of those /g/ fags act like they can't even breathe without a gadget or an app for everything.

>cant search notes
>notes get dirty
>cant edit notes
>notes are in differing writing styles
obviously this shit is just trolling, no ones this retarded

>>105581558 (OP)
>>105581578
I just have one single file called MASTER LIST with possibly everything I ever need to remember, and I ctrl+f for whatever I need when I need it. Includes passwords, scripts, little tidbits of information, and so forth.
The only reason I use this instead of simply having a massive .txt file that I would view on notepad++ (which I did in the past) is because it has markup so my shit's a little bit more organized.
If you have a billion files and folders, and you map shit together and do all that crazy gay second brain faggotry, then yes. You're a meme user.

>>105584047
feels old indeed

>>105583904
We didn't know how good we had it back then...

Can we get an example of some cool/useful shit you can do with this that isn't covered by a generic Notes app?

>>105581558 (OP)
My first one is still locked. How do I open the first one

>>105584127
Is obsidian this bad? Why even make an app then.

>>105584214
their plugin architecture is really vast, i havent used it in awhile but i plan to get back into it since i upgraded my pc.
you can also make your own plugins relatively easily.
basically if you have any really niche/domain specific functionality you'd like your notes to have, theres probably some system or plugin that helps facilitate it. managing dungeons and dragons games, website bookmarks, product wish lists, graphs of activity/categorizations from tables you have used for data entry. every llm integration of various abilities. that was basically the whole appeal of it for me, tinkertrannying essentially.
you can say tinkering is a waste of time, but if you have tons of notes its worth it because you'll actually read them. i remember i had something setup where every new tab i opened in obsidian would display a graph of all the files i had above a certain character count, that i hadnt viewed/modified in the longest. that encouraged me to look at old notes when i had the time.
>>105584264
based retard

>>105584264
Tell us what you understand by "notes get dirty" in this context, kek

>>105584193
shit, remember "/b/ was never good"? if only we had a clue

>>105584064
I'll be frank and say that my usecase is entirely different, so my methods probably won't work well for you.
One of the big questions is if you want your notes to be hierarchical or not (the latter is more akin to a zettelkasten method, and what obsidian does well, the former is more like a wikipedia). Hierarchical tends to be better if you have to share your notes with others, it's closer to how a librarian thinks, while non hierarchical is better for making new connections and coming up with new ideas usually.
Your usecase sounds more like you'd want hierarchical (so for example a section for each of the aspects you mentioned and then a subsection for each quarter or something). If the calendar functionality is important, you'll want an option to attach deadlines to notes and to be able to pull those from all documents to be able to know what has to be done by when. For as much of a meme as it is, org-mode is unrivaled at that, but plenty of other software can support this, either natively or with plugins.
The linking thing Obsidian does is more akin to zettelkasten and better suited to show connections between concepts, ideas and notes, it's not super well suited for creating a hierarchy of notes.
I'd be surprised if there were no methods that someone in your situation has come up with, I just don't happen to know any unfortunately.
In my case I use obsidian with a zettelkasten method (yeah it's a meme but it works for me) for concepts and ideas, and a physical notebook with a bulletjournal method for daily todos, as a meditation/mindset/mindfullness thing and to plant longer term things - both aren't well suited for your usecase.
Picrel is my obsidian graph - as you can see, there's little hierarchy to speak of. Great for learning, combining concepts or coming up with new ideas, shit for leading a team.

Autism manifests in weirdest ways

>>105584457
I'll take the "I've mapped my entire life in Obsidian" style autism over many others.

Any tips using obsidian?
Pros for taking notes?
I just keep everything in my head desu

>>105584595
This one's very obvious, but look through their official and community plugin. There's a lot of useful stuff there, and you might even get inspired on how to organize better. Not to mention that there's a ton of info on R*ddit and the Obsidian forums for whatever you need whenever you use search engines. And there are countless YouTube channels of pure autism dedicated exclusively to Obsidian.

But at the end of the day it's a note taking app, it can be as simple or as complicated as you want it to be, you don't have to turn it into your private Wikipedia if you don't want to. It's just much more convenient than having folders full of notepad files, even if the performance is slightly worse once you have a ton of notes.

>>105584726
>plugin
*plugins, as in the list of plugins

>>105581558 (OP)
just want something open source like Joplin where I can put tags on my notes, but Joplin takes way too long to startup or switch profiles

>>105584788
joplin also sucks because it keeps all your notes in one database compared to obsidians standalone markdown files in your filestystem. joplin also said they have no intention of changing from this.

No thank you, I use Emacs.

I began using it, but I structured my notes wrong vs the purpose of the vault. I wonder if LLMs will do the structuring in the future. They seem to be able to hold more shit in their attention at a time than people even at this stage

>>105584161
This is cock and balls torture in text form.

>>105583300
You're replying to a joke reply, you dumb nigger. It also has a mistake, an even more obvious one.

>>105584301
Will it fuck up when syncing between phone and PC? I stopped using OneNote when it randomly decided one day to vanish 2 weeks of notes from my job

>>105585776
never used it with a phone, couldn't tell you.
for syncing back then i brewed up my own simple thing with git. but theres some streamlined things that make it easier for free.
have a look here apparently this guide worked for people on reddit
https://snippets.page/posts/sync-obsidian-notes-between-pc-and-android-with-syncthing/
https://old.reddit.com/r/ObsidianMD/comments/10zabzd/guide_using_syncthing_to_sync_notes_between_pc/

>>105584726
Thanks, I'll do that.

>>105581558 (OP)
Tried this out for a week and it just seems like markdown editor with a plugin system and some QOL. Am I missing something?

>>105581558 (OP)
It did't work for me. The idea of a second brain is ridiculous, I guess it worked for the author of the book because he was a complete brainlet.

>>105585975
Sounds about right. It's not exactly the cure for cancer, but it gets the job done for what it is.

>>105585995
single-brained and triple-brained individuals know it's shit, only second-brained midwits use it

>>105586032
Exactly, instead of taking notes you should became better at data retention.

>>105581558 (OP)
I really want to like and use something like this, but I have some misgivings about it.
1. I want it to be fully offline
2. I want it to be 100% secure
3. I want it to be portable and reliable in the long run, without losing my notes OR structure.
It has a paid cloud thing, that is even if not enabled at least part of the program.
It isn't open source so who even knows what they could put in each update.
You get to keep your plain text markdown files once it goes bust, but will you have a place to migrate it to structure included?

I really wish I had some kind of journal, personal wiki that is as some guy here said "hierarchical", because that is the way I think for the most part, but still has a tagging system for the random off the top of my head type thoughts I write on a piece of paper.
If it can produce a printable format at some point, even better.
I just don't think I can trust this thing, but I'm at a point where I really NEED something like it.

Considered logseq and joplin, but both are horrid.
Can any privacy schizo vouch for this? Maybe I should just download a personal permission firewall, but even those are hard to trust...
I'm genuinely worried I might type something personal in it that triggers some flag somewhere.
I have an ipad for a "normie device" and tried to write on that one, but soon realized I have too much to write and need searchability to make it worth writing down and some things just don't work that well with handwriting.

I feel like Obsidian has been the solution I've willfully ignored for years for whatever reason my mind came up with.
I got thousands of .txt-s, papers, screencaps of my own writing that I need to organize and "process" to reduce the clutter I have currently.

>>105581558 (OP)
While we're on the topic, what do I have to manually backup? Just the vault folder?

>>105586123
1. Emacs org mode, zettlr, Joplin, most of these are offline. Commercial solutions usually offer a sync option for money or a publish mode (which obsidian started) but they are usually not enabled by default or not even a thing
2. 100% security doesn't exist. If you want pretty good security, encrypt it. A lot of foss note taking software has encryption built in
3. Markdown and a folder structure is software agnostic and works in most implementations. Just stay away from add-ons and wiki links and your notes will be as easy as a single copy paste to move between programs. Heck they stay usable even without a program.

Maybe check out QOwnNotes. Shit name but it has all the stuff you want, including the tagging and encryption built in.
I first heard of it in https://youtu.be/XRpHIa-2XCE?si=l93pp4TOCfnUsJ9x
If you want something more modern looking, zettlr and encrypt the data when not using it.

>>105586265
On obsidian? Yes. It contains your notes and even your extensions in a dot file somewhere.
I sync my vault to phone, laptop and tablet via sync thing and it works perfectly, even syncing add-ons.

>>105582764
>>105582817
>>105582873
has nobody heard of syncthing?

>>105586303
Thanks. I like to keep a manual copy on a flash drive as well, just in case.

>>105586353
It's been a while since I totally opened a synced buy never before opened (on that machine) vault, but iirc, it'll rebuild the link structure and graph upon opening, which for a medium sized vault is still just a few seconds, other than that it'll ask you if you want to download and activate the add-ons and then it's plug and play.
If you need to save space you can also compress it, then uncompress when needing it - reasonable for longer term backups, less so for on-the-go use. If you do engage in the latter consider some auto syncing setup, syncthing or rsync are your friends.

>>105581558 (OP)
That's not anki

This thread invariable devolves into people shilling different apps or arguing against the entire idea of somehow using physical records to supplement your memory (lol) and it misses the point. Note taking is not an end unto itself. You do it as a way to more efficiently do other things. Just figure out what those other things are, figure out how the limitations of your memory are keeping you from doing them, and then figure out how to best remedy that.

For example,
>you're a student and your goals are to pass your exams by memorizing your study materials
Use spaced repetition i.e. flashcards
>You're a Ph.D. student and your goals ate to collate and synthesize disparate information to write a thesis
Use a double linking system like obsidian to record the information and traverse it easily. The folder hierarchy should match the outline of your thesis and the links will reveal connections between different sections.
>You're keeping records so you (or someone else) can reference them later
Use a record keeping style that's centered around the most convenient keys or tags you'd use for look up. If you'll need to remember "What did I do in March 2018" then you use dates. If you need to remember "What did I do for the Smith account" then you use a lexographic tag. If you need to remember "What was the gimp pipeline I used to make my memes" then use a catergory tag.
>You're keeping track of tasks you need to do
A simple to do list with annotations of info related to tasks is all you need.

The point is that the notes themselves are not the point, it's all about what you use them to do. Writing great notes is meaningless. Doing great things by not losing track of where you are is meaningful.

Thanks for cumming to my Ted talk.

>>105581589
I use it for saving useful information I would forget and have to google again otherwise. It also has a nice browser extension for saving entire articles if you need that.
The only caveat is that it doesn't come with a feature to delete unused images and requires a plugin for that.

>>105581558 (OP)
>muh second brain
That's a meme, though.

Tick tick works betters for me. No reason to overcomplicate a basic note-taking/reminders app.

>>105581589
In what way is it slow? It's far faster than using find and grep to search through my notes.

>>105581558 (OP)
If it was open source it would. Really restrictive browser fetch and difficult to access internals as a plugin dev

my current approach is notepad for shit i know i'm gonna forget soon, obsidian for predrafts, and scrivener for formatted drafts.

>>105581558 (OP)
>mogged by pencil and paper

Don’t forget about the Johnny decimal system for structured note taking, the rest are subpar imo

>>105584161
you dont have that much shit to remember please be real with yoursef

>>105581558 (OP)
A rather pathetic second brain. Use emac. Now.

>>105583023
Are you saying his mom had you locked in a chastity cage?

>>105587222
I couldn’t decide the numbers to use.
>>105587322
I think it’s obvious that org-mode is the best we have currently. But some people just won’t use emacs. I personally don’t like the community.

>>105587463
What was your experience with the emacs community? I've only really looked at the doom emacs discord, which seemed good, although I no longer use doom. And some youtubers who seemed fine.

>>105581558 (OP)
Does this thing support pasting images from clipboard? Is the only thing i need.

I finally hit my stride in obsidian after waffling around with other setups. While it's not perfect, the default configuration is good enough that I'm happy over trying to configure my vim setup to work the same way for markdown. It's essentially the vscode of note taking. Yes it's a lazy fatass electron app but its defaults aren't stuck in the 90s either. I haven't found a nicer markdown text editor on android either, so there's that (I just use syncthing for syncing, not the paid stuff, and it works fine). While closed source feels bad, the files are still markdown in a filesystem, so I feel like I have a credible exit.

I've been falling for the zed meme for programming (also a lazy gui with good defaults, but it's finally not electron). It's pretty good. I think with the right set of plugins it could also be a good obsidian replacement.

>>105587503
yes, and the web clipper extension is pretty convenient too.

>>105586435
OR
You could use a notebook for notes and actually memorizing things you need.

>>105585686
Well I was only pretending to not realise the irony of the response and you fell for it. Whose the new fag now bitch?

>>105586342
This is it right here. I use this almost solely for Obsidian between my desktop and phone. Nice for when I take a note on the go and have it all sync up.

I wish the vim mode had easymotion functionality or there was some plugin for that. You guys say there's a plugin for everything, but that must be the exception.

>>105581558 (OP)
*unlocks you're second brain and urethra*

>>105581558 (OP)
Yes, I compiled all the tips and tricks I discovered over the past year, and now everything is running smoothly.
>tips and tricks
As in, various tidbits in general.
What should I use for certain languages?
Where to look for certain things?
What I need to beware of?

I used to rely on my memory, but after writing things down and keeping them in my line of sight every day, it felt amazing, honestly.

>>105586123
Just use emacs, problem solved.

>>105583023
kek

>>105581558 (OP)
I don't get how the graph connection thing works i have a bunch of jumbled up notes and writings i have and my graph view is just a bunch of dots LMAO

bit of a meme rly but i still use it
if only it doubled as a python IDE

>>105587325
hot

>>105581558 (OP)
What is this magic shit brick?

>>105581558 (OP)
What problem does this solve? Why do I need this shit. What is wrong with your brain that you can't just remember shit yourself.

>>105589700
Yeah nigguh fuck notebooks! Skip skool sell drugs pimp hoes G!

>>105589694
org mode for normgroids

>>105581558 (OP)
I was undecided between this and joplin but joplin's ui won me over.

>>105581589
I like links

Honestly, why doesn't libre office have a notes program?

>>105589823
Joplin does have a better looking UI, but I believe Obsidian is more versatile. I mainly picked Obsidian for the canvas mode, janky as it is. Few notetaking apps have a proper equivalent despite there being a ton of them out there.

>>105581558 (OP)
Been using since 2023. It's pretty comfy.

>>105584214
yeah, I'm still waiting

>>105587784
N-No way!

>>105581589
modern people are retarded and need machine to do thing for them

>>105581558 (OP)
I'm not even using the first

>>105581558 (OP)
just use vim

>>105587642
I fucked my wrist badly enough that I can barely write for more than a couple sentences at a time.
I would legitimately use pen and paper if that was an option.
Heavily considered learning to write with my left, but turns out that is also almost as fucked as my right.

I used it for a while but switched to Apple notes and Google Keep because it's less gimmicky lol. Apple notes getting markdown export is great for back-up/archival.

These days I like carrying a nice notebook usually a Midori in A4 with a pilot vanishing point decimo.

>>105589783
Sorry for not being a iqlet who can just store information in my head

>>105592827
Troll all you want, at the end of the day you're just clueless and arrogant (as most clueless people are).

Just use onenote

>>105593699
It is actually pretty good. I like the structure, use it on my work computer a lot, the search is good as well.
Not sure I would put anything personal into that though...

>>105581558 (OP)
i thought it'd sort out the mess that is my worldbuilding but i just wound up with a bunch of articles for inane notes.

it works well for keeping a daily diary though.

>>105582764
I sync locally using a couchdb server on my raspberry pi

>>105586342
Syncing files monolithically =/= Live syncing

>>105583027
You forgot
>all the people who are thrusting these various methods upon you do that for their day job + thus neither know or care what normies want or need
and thus
>you don't really need these various methods to begin with because, let's face it, you're not that interesting and your job is not that difficult

used to follow lifehacker as a Getting Things Done thing. turns out there's only so many personal filing system recommendations you can feature before your articles begin sounding like 'have you tried pulling up your underwear at the same time as you pull up your jeans? sound off in the comments!' and, yes, that happened

it's been 50 years since computer was invented and there's still not a single good notetaking program

>>105594447
always ends up as one of those 'change the job to suit the tool' kind of things, sadly.

>>105584440
I use obsidian in hierarchical way, folders work just fine. I tried using trilium, but it felt very clunky. Obsidian lets me group my note1337.txt and seems to just work.

>>105594630
Yeah I didn't mean to imply hierarchical doesn't work in obsidian, just that that's the main selling point of the program. It supports it just fine.
Trilium is sadly not an option because it saves the data in a database, which is non-negotiable for me.
Believe me when I say I've done some deep dives, I even tried Siyuan Note 思源笔记 for a bit. The whole database approach just isn't a good idea if you want to remain somewhat software agnostic.

>>105594721
Database approach makes it easier and performant to manipulate the text, nodes, etc. These text/markdown-based programs, outside of emacs, are very limited at what they can do.
Of course adding too many useful features will just give you a Microsoft Word.

>>105594791
That's precisely the thing anon, I don't want or need those features.
All I want is
- software agnostic data (markdown in .md or .txt files)
- offline
- support inline Latex (edge case: within markdown structures like table cells - that's a common place where programs fail)
- displays images embedded via markdown
- Bonus if it supports wikilinks
- Bonus if it's foss

That's it. I don't need or want 5000 plugins, I just want to be able to view and edit my md files and know that no matter what machine, no matter when, no matter what software, I can still access it.
A surprising amount of programs fail at one or multiple of these requirements.
I don't even mind it keeping a database on the backend for performance, but when I close the note, I want the database data to be converted into a raw md file on my system. This is non-negotiable.

I don't really understand what this program is or what it does exactly. Is it basically just a place to write down some notes so you don't forget things? I ended up installing my own basic wiki for that, it hasn't been long but it's been slowly growing as I keep adding things that I should remember but I know I'll forget after not touching them for a while.

>>105584105
What if... you simplified your ideas, that way you wouldn't have to write entire books when taking notes

>>105594874
>Is it basically just a place to write down some notes so you don't forget things?
Kind of. You can create an entire personal wiki with it complete with pictures if you want though. It's got thousands of plugins and stuff for bloatmaxxing Chads to go mad.

>>105594900
I see. I suppose I'll stick to my actual wiki then if all this stuff does the same thing in the end.

>>105594933
Yeah, at the end of the day you can use whatever you prefer and it won't make much difference, some anons just use notepad and lots of folders. I mostly use Obsidian because of its canvas mode, which is like a whiteboard that you can move notes around on and connect with arrows like pic related. It makes me feel more productive than I really am.

Isn't the point of obsidian having links between files? What's the point?
Here's all my notes I've used in the past year:
>personal_project1_todo.txt (pc)
>personal_project2_todo.txt (pc)
>work_trip_feb_2.txt (phone)
>work_project1.txt (work laptop)
Why would I want these to be linked together

>>105595138
DONT USE IT THEN
>4 notes
stfu

>>105595138
You can keep separate folders or separate vaults for each. If it's a large project that requires multiple text files, you'd probably want them linked, but that's about it.

>>105595158
Actually I have a lot more notes, but like when I'm done with a work trip that gets archived, so just ~4 active notes
and I delete stuff in Todo lists when I finish them

Why do people have so many notes?

>>105595167
If it's a big coding project, are you writing your own personal wiki? Shouldn't the documentation be coupled with the code, instead of your personal notes?

>>105595219
>If it's a big coding project, are you writing your own personal wiki? Shouldn't the documentation be coupled with the code, instead of your personal notes?
You can theoretically do both if you have the patience for it. I don't know what the optimum setup is, I use it for brainstorming more than anything and it just develops from there.

>>105594855
Exactly what I'm looking for as well.
>I don't need or want 5000 plugins
I'm shocked people tout Obsidians plugins as a positive. Not only are you somewhat depending on the mercy of the devs for obsidian, but you are now also at the mercy of some random dude providing the plugin.

>>105595636
Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Sadly we seem to be in the minority.

>>105581589
it's the successor to evernote

that being said, after evernote became irredeemable garbage (the great electron "update") I went through the pain of exporting everything to markdown and now I just use nvim, and simple tools like fzf, grep, etc. to look through everything.

>>105595636
>but you are now also at the mercy of some random dude providing the plugin.
That’s true for all softwares.

>>105584161
>I have everything in one file
You are retarded. YandereDev level retarded.

>>105595796
>simple tools like fzf, grep, etc. to look through everything
What’s the correct way to fuzzy search text files’ content? Suppose I have a lot of text files in nested folders.
Last time I check there is no good solution for this. For exact match, I just use grep -Ril.

>>105595872
since I use neovim with lazyvim there are neat shortcuts to fuzzy search with preview...it's some combination of (rip)grep, fzf, and cat that you could probably piece together easily.

>>105595974
>it's some combination of (rip)grep, fzf, and cat that you could probably piece together easily
Yeah, bullshit. I've search threads about this. Stackoverflow, a bunch of stackexchange, reddit. No one knows how.

>>105596019
what are you trying to goad me into spoon feeding you? it's simple:

rg . | fzf

>>105584161 I can do that on Notepad, nigga.

>>105595834
Calls me a retard, but doesn't refute me. Classic /g/

>>105597192
https://github.com/TypescriptWizard/YandereScripts/blob/main/StudentScript.cs

>>105594447
>cures your notehopping

>>105584322
They get littered with irrelevant information you forgot to clean up/get corrupted by bitrot/etc.

>>105581558 (OP)
USE
CASE?

>>105590410
How did you make your post? Perhaps through a machine of some sort?

>>105599180
>not employing a small brown street child to handle all that for yoHELP HELP HE BEATS ME WITH STICKS AND TOUCHES ME WH

>>105594875
What if... you had more than 10 things to write down ever because your life was more than just shitposting on basket weaving forums?

>>105586122
how do you become better at data retention without writing down or taking ***note*** of the information first?

I follow some academic history/archeology stuff as a hobby, and I really struggle to keep my notes when reading academic papers and books organized

Would something like this be useful for that? I'd like to be able to both have notes sorted by the book/paper AND topic, so a given note would both be tagged/would be searchable under the book it's published in, or that author, or the topic/culture/time period the note is about

>>105599484
You could just use a hierarchical file/folder structure and then tag the notes on top of that.
I see no reason why that wouldn't work.
I feel like that is the most sane way of doing things to begin with.

>>105581558 (OP)
am i second brain?

>>105599514
But what would the files be? Seperate text documents for each note? That would be annoying, plus sometimes I need images visible within/as part of the notes

I'm also still trying to find tagging or database tools to tag image files with the culture, country, and year of creation, material, dimensions, etc of different artifacts

>>105599594
>But what would the files be? Seperate text documents for each note? That would be annoying, plus sometimes I need images visible within/as part of the notes
Anon I'm saying this out of wanting to help, I don't want to sound like I'm yelling or anything: just try it. Just try it, and maybe you'll work out how best to get what's in your brain onto the computer, in a way that works for you. Absolute worst case scenario, you'll have wasted an hour or two.

All notetaking things are basically the same, you put text on screen, you can make them link to other bits of text, and you can look for bits of text later. However, nobody knows how your brain works, and what your mental pathways look like, besides you (and some people don't know that, because they don't know how to look). This is why 'just try it and see if the tool feels comfortable to use' is the only real, true advice anyone can give.

>>105581558 (OP)
I have it to document relevant information and write notes and checklists on my different interests/hobbies/work wikipedia style. And then one day I searched Obsidian on youtube for some reason and all these complete retards had loads of videos about that HACKING YOUR BRAIN SUPER POWER THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED WRITING AND YOU CAN DO IT like it was something profound.

I thought every non NPC took notes? I did it in notepad back as far as I can remember, Obsidian is just one of the programs that makes it easier to organize.

Me, I use a Dokuwiki instance for the following purposes
>keeping track of my vacation plans
>as a kind of dump for AI promps (need to tidy this up, for now I'm just stuffing things into the drawer in order to be dealt with later)
>keeping track of the stuff I have self-hosted on my NAS

The latter part is what I'm most invested in, because the wiki format means I can make a neat list of links (project page, handy thoughts and guides I've found around the web, etc), a backup of my docker-compose file, describe mount points and what they're for, etc etc. I don't need to brain-dump, I don't need a livejournal, I need scaffolding for stuff I'm building.

>>105599594
>But what would the files be? Seperate text documents for each note? That would be annoying, plus sometimes I need images visible within/as part of the notes
Like another anon replied, you need to try it and see for yourself. Archeological studies are both longform I assume and then shortform for a / artifact basis.
You can just have a long note for the main subject or essay and then a bunch of smaller ones linked/tagged to your main topic.
Alternatively you could just treat it as a bunch of separate notebooks linked together.
You are the only one who knows.

>I'm also still trying to find tagging or database tools to tag image files with the culture, country, and year of creation, material, dimensions, etc of different artifacts
Hydrus (hydrusnetwork) is made for R34 images, booru style for porn management, but it should suit your needs unironically.
Alternatively you can just tag the images in windows or whatever OS you use.

You are the one who knows your needs.

>>105599637
it's because for these people, "using tools" is what they do. they use tools, they don't have an actual need for the tools, because "using tools" is the point. like how linux greybeards are completely removed from reality because for the greybeards, "computing" is what they do. or how people will spend far, far much more time arguing about video games online than they'll ever spend actually playing video games themselves.

>>105599484
Here’s a tip. Print out the academic papers, but scale it smaller. Make notes in the margins. Balzac-style.

>>105581558 (OP)
FOSS alternatives to this?

>>105599806
emacs org mode + denote/org-roam

>>105584850
>just want something open source like Joplin where I can put tags on my notes, but Joplin takes way too long to startup or switch profiles

Guess it depends on what you want exactly, but I use Memos (self-hosted) https://www.usememos.com/

I use it for dumping stupid ideas so they stop distracting me and for notes that may or may not become relevant later.
Memos is more centered around a calendar and tags, which makes it ideal for that. Fits your requirement.

>>105599859
meant for
>>105584788

>>105599806
For basic features, vimwiki and the alternative plugins.
For complete autism, org-mode.
For non-autists, zim-wiki and qownnotes.
For comfyness, (local) mediawiki.
For publishing, miraheze or github/cloudflare/gitlab pages.

>>105581558 (OP)
I have tried to use some of these but they are all garbage bloat. It's just basic folder structure and vim + markdown + git for me.

>>105586123
You can use syncthing for moving files between devices, but otherwise I agree with you and I'd like to try out emacs or something else.

The "second brain" meme is for the type of people who can't use their first one to begin with.

>>105599971
I can think a lot more effectively if I have every variable laid out in front of me visually.
I can still process abstract thought, but it sure is easier with visuals and all information in one space.

>>105599971
>Write something down as a note to myself
>Remember it just fine without having to check my notes
>Don't write something down because "I'll totally remember that later"
>Forget it
True
That reminds me I need to write up my grocery list

Emacs + orgmode + orgrr + ripgrep + orgro + orgzly revived + syncthing

>>105599971
>writing bad
Okay Grug.

>>105599788
Checked and Balzac-pilled.

>>105581558 (OP)
if you type "unlocks you are brain", maybe you should try it

>>105599195
Cope. Great men simplify, midwits obfuscate

>>105602296
Great men simplify their life by taking notes. Midwits think theyre too smart for that so they complicate their life by trying to remember everything

How good is the Him plugin? Only thing i care about.

>>105596082
That doesn’t make sense. Did you even read what you just wrote?

>>105586123
what about ballsacks down your throat have you tried that

>>105603192
Fun fact: this is the third time ballsacks were mentioned in this thread.

>>105603380
What part of that was supposed to be fun?

>>105601299
>Emacs + orgmode + orgrr + ripgrep + orgro + orgzly revived + syncthing

This.

>>105603576
I apologize. Have this funny joke as compensation.

>>105597662
kek, that's not what I do at all, that's fucking code. My master list is just for small tidbits of everything in my day to day life and simple one line scripts for shit I need every so often, Jesus Christ, I'm not doing what Yandere Dev is doing.

>>105602434
>Great men simplify their life by taking notes.
Yes, so pen and paper suffices. If it doesn't, you're going beyond just taking notes.

>>105602649
try it dumbass

>>105581558 (OP)
>second brain

Now you have two to splatter on the pavement with a shotgun

>>105582894
so don’t put any depression in your second brain
>>105583384
if you like emacs you should keep using it
I hear great things about org-mode
>>105584071
Ctrl-F
>>105584595
What are you going to want to remember in five or ten years that’s likely to slip your mind between now and then
>>105585776
depends on what you use to sync
Besides, you have backups of all your files anyway, right? Backed up to The Cloud? And/or a separate hard drive? At least hourly?
>>105585975
Nailed it. The QoL is great, though.
>>105586032
Yes, and I’m a second-brained midwit so it works well for me

>>105586123
“Markdown with front matter” is pretty close to a universal data format these days
If you’re worried that it’s going to update and then convert all your notes into an encrypted SQLite database or something locking you out of your notes, you should have backups of your notes anyway so you can say “fuck you, I’m dropping your binary-blob shit and just opening my files in emacs until I can figure out what I want to use long-term” (which might just be more emacs)
>structure
your structure will be in a directory hierarchy of Markdown documents and associated images and whatnot
>gotta get organized
You can do that even with bare files
No sense in waiting for Obsidian to finish downloading to start
>>105586342
I have. It’s great.
>>105595219
Owning a house means you have a lot of notes for what happened during upgrades and repairs that you’re gonna want to know or dig up 5–10 years later
>>105598784
Talk to us nerds after it gets mass Markdown export, maybe this fall
>>105599484
You can just tag stuff, or if you want an honest-to-goodness list you can use something like https://github.com/blacksmithgu/obsidian-dataview

>>105586123
by chance, are you an Economist? long winded posts about nothing seems to be a thing i often see from Economists or economics adjacent folks like actual data scientists and the google certificates folks

>>105601299
is it possible to use all of that on a device running ios though?

>>105606424
Pen AND paper? Too much. For me it's just my laptop. Anything more is too much

>>105587322
vim

>>105607487
I'm just too retarded to be concise.
I'm also very often misunderstood so I try to describe things I wish to communicate in different ways all at once to avoid embarrassment.
This leads to long, repetitive posts with a lot of run-on sentences.
I work in networking, but I do have a "business IT" degree if that makes any sense. Half of it was software engineering half of it was economics and accounting.
It's kinda weird if your country doesn't have this I guess, but it is intended for tech sales or business people I'd say.
Of course I'm neither, I took it because I thought it would be easier than straight CS. It was.
As you can see I also preemptively mention a lot of things in the post you responded to for the same reasons as described above.
It saves other people time as well, not having to reply "just try logseq" or something. Mentioning various use cases would also help narrow things down.

>>105607424
Thanks I've decided on Obsidian + firewall. I already back up various copies of windows and drivers for my hardware so in the worst case I can just run it in a VM even if outdated in the future.

obsidian = bloat
just use onenote or fucking paper

>>105609813
Being alive is bloat tbqh

>>105582894
He's talking about your scrotum i.e. second brain

Writing either gives me a bunch of information I never follow up on, or it overloads me with information I don't analyze into intelligence to make decisions on, or it just makes me depressed because there is depth and variation to a world I can't handle. Instead I just retardmaxx like a nigger and go by feeling instead and learn from there. Only from this struggle and hitting a wall do I feel alive and learn and remember.

>>105610172
I know that feel. For me, it's not just Obsidian that does that. Bookmarks do as well, I've got a ton of projects I got bored of halfway and just kept the bookmarks in a folder "for later".

>>105610172
Based

>>105581558 (OP)
I just tried I don't get the hype? Can someone explain howto or am i missing something? It's like a markdown editor with some plugins?

>>105610487
You make your own hype by using it properly.

>>105590410
This. Zettlechads still use index cards, the most effective way to take and store notes.

>>105610487
ghostwriter is the best markdown editor but even that's not perfect.

>>105584903
Emacs + Obsidian

>>105588341
Just use / to search??

>>105595138
>Why would I want these to be linked together
Zettelkasten method.

>>105595138
work_project1.txt
"need to update server1"
server1.ext
"this is what server1 looks like - server2 needs server1 so it can function"
server2.txt
"yeah im server2 pls don't turn me off till X"
now you can keep the notes linked, without repeating information on each like:
work_project1.txt
"server1 needs updating, this is the information about server1, server2 relies on server1, there's all the information about server2"

you control what notes are linked anon, personal_project1.txt doesn't need to be linked to work_project1.txt, but it might be good to link work_trip_feb_2.txt to work_project1.txt, if work project1 is what you're doing on the febuary trip

>>105609813
Onenote is even more bloated and trash

https://forum.obsidian.md/t/security-vault-contents-exposed-outside-the-vaults-directory/28886
dont