we will not be stopped. xorg will live on. fuck red hat. fuck gnome. fuck free desktop.org

AND ABOVE ALL. FUCK WAYLAND.

>>105584612 (OP)
baste

>>105584612 (OP)
I will not use some pajeet fork. God knows what crypto mining garbageware will be merged inside

>1600 stars
Cool, how many of these people are actually contributing to the project? And since you are including yourself in the list, can you show me your contributions, OP? Because you are a contributor and not just another /pol/tard grifter that only cares about political drama, right?

>>105584612 (OP)
>>105584688
Meanwhile
https://github.com/AasishPokhrel/shit
Has 2.3k stars
Even made by the same guy! wow! How does he do it?

>>105584612 (OP)
Atrix is working on packaging xlibre. Proof its the best distro.

>>105584612 (OP)
Why are loonduke fans such retards? Is everybody there over 50?

>>105584821
Why do you hate freedom?

>>105584821
true, what a retard. such code would go into systemd, not in the kernel

>>105584612 (OP)
Wooow.Github stars. Man, cash out kids, you're bazillionaires. Those are worth a fortune.
What's next, you gonna get likes on Facebook?

>>105584661
hes german afaik

he also claims to have used linux since the 90s, so hes about as hardcore as it gets

>>105584612 (OP)

>>105584978
Mindshare is the most important asset in getting a project such as this off the ground. Get enough people interested and the forking dev's ability doesn't even matter, the fact that there is a fork itself serves as a beacon to those who may be able to actually create something real from it, especially since this is something that is already a very popular notion.

>>105584661
Hello, Red Hat shill. Nice try with poisoning the well :^)

In case anyone fell for this, metux is German. Be aware, this is one strategy they are likely going to use going forward to cut this project off.

>>105585265
>the forking dev's ability doesn't even matter
Yeah this, it needs to have enough community support to become an alternative to Xorg. If it actually gets improvements and bug fixes eventually it could supplant Xorg regardless of the guy who forked it.

>>105584766
fug i swapped artix for arch a few weeks ago...

>>105585426
It's in the AUR as well I believe, haven't used arch to know if that's enough but I assume it can be a drop-in replacement.

>>105584612 (OP)
Isn't he the shizo who attacked Linus for no reason on LKML?

>>105584766
OpenMandriva too

>>105585303
>German
>Make X great again
Sure thing, pablo, the Germans invented this slogan, amirite?

>>105585547
nice post mr.bot, but what you said doesn't make any sense, so please keep working on your model

>ebussi drank water
>mustache man drank water
holy shit, ebussi is literally hortler

>>105585739
This but unironically
>"usecase for jews?"
>"what the fuck did you just sa -"
>"the crematoriums are getting a bit heated. I suggest you stop, or else ..."

>>105585753
ebussi truly is just misunderstood

>stars on github
wow cool, it's fucking nothing though because the people who care are too inept to actually do something about it
remember sneedacity?

>>105584612 (OP)
TOTAL RED HAT DEATH

>>105585753
KEK

>Attempts to silence to project
Tranny like victim complex

>>105585447
Linus attacked him for not trusting the vaxx.

>>105586566
You know. There are people that have probably been trying to get a reply from Linus for years. Like any attention from him would make their years and make them feel all funny in their pants.

This guy posts about some shit that's off-topic in the LKML that Linus shouldn't be lurking anyway because he should be busy with the endless incoming diffs. But he takes time out of his busy day to write an angry rant to a so-called nobody.

>>105584612 (OP)

>it's audacity fork fest all over again
ok, how is sneedacity doing these days

They're still really angry about sneedacity aren't they? I wonder what they'll come up with next in their discord server they're totally not organizing their pathetic raids in.

>>105586696
hes a long time kernel maintainer. been involved since the 90s, non surprise linux would see it.

>>105586798
Ah yes. Long time kernel maintainer that can't into C. Why am I not surprised? Might be fun to spread that around if they keep trying to say this fork is shit because he made one mistake.

I don't care if Linus saw it desu desu. He should know better than to reply to that at all. Especially after his trip to sensitivity re-education camp. It's a bad look for someone that's supposed to be leading a major project. You can't have it both ways. Either be a massive faggot and be nice to everyone or be an asshole to everyone. I'd prefer if he were an asshole. But this bullshit where we have to be nice and not hurt anyone's feelings when they submit shit code isn't right. How come you're allowed to be an asshole towards someone with <x> opinion but it's okay to shit all over someone with <y> opinion? I know the answer of course. Just trying to point out the double standard.

>>105586763
you seem to care about this a lot for some reason

>>105586892
Yes I'm so pathetic. Caring about things. I should become cooler and only ironically care about things. I sure hope a group of people aren't sitting in a voice chat right now desperately trying to link my posts here to a account with my real name attached to it. Would really be a shame if my work place got notified that I said the word nigger on a basket weaving forum.

>>105586919
you might have schizophrenia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-N-fgKWYGU

>Open Source is great.
>No not like that!
Red hat and gnome really are a menace

>>105584612 (OP)
Amazing how Gayland users get a hissy fit with people not wanting to adopt their slop.

>>105584766
Gentoojannies, get to work!

>>105588909
Yeah, just don't use their shit.

i'm old enough to remember how all of this will end. It will end with nothing and there will be nothing. It will fade away just like every other project like this. Enjoy wasting your fucking time.

>>105584661
This. I'm redeeming wayland tonight. God save Israel.

>>105589385
Yes, i remember when xorg was forked from xfree86 and how xorg died out and that now we're still using xfree86... right?

>>105584766
more like ass tricks (gayyyy)

>>105584821
oh well, nothing much stopping me from using bsd at this point

>>105584612 (OP)
>>105584688
>trust the github stars
that's one way to end up downloading malware

>>105585029
Your hardcore linux hacker doesn't know C operators nor memory allocation basics.

>>105590098
LMAO every time

>>105590098
hes a self taught boomer, so is it really that surprising.

>>105590138
the actually surprising part is that he doesn't test his commits

>>105589874
think really hard about what u just said
this isn't some no-name repo made by a malware developer they're doing a lot of PR and getting contributors on board
they'd have to be insanely retarded to ship malware and get banned from software development for life

>>105590165
he does, but he didn't test against an nvidia card, most of the commits that got him in trouble break nvidia cards and he appears to be openly hostile to them, frankly if it was 15 years ago, the Xorg people would have been perfectly happy to accept those patches.

>>105586566
Funny that the anti-vax schizo's were right about that.. And the truckers shit in Canada, and that the rich were abducting children to perform sex magik on them... Why don't we listen to schizo's again?

>>105586566
Yeah because it is off topic on the mailing list

>>105590165
>the actually surprising part is that he doesn't test his commits
That's industry standard for sufficiently senior people. They're too drunk on their god complex to bother testing shit. Saw a lot of code with fucking syntax errors from such august figures in my day.

That being said, it does not make him any worse than the wayland crowd. Their senior figures act exactly the same way, plus they stonewall any and all patches. He doesn't do the latter, so he's got that going for him. The really important thing is that there's a rallying point for other disgruntled developers, many of whom will be more competent and bloody glad to finally be able to offload their own patches now. Time will tell whether decent code is going to come from this. I for one am perfectly willing to cut him some slack, for the wayland faggots have a fifteen year history of not delivering. That's GNU/Hurd tier levels of not getting shit done. They're way past due for "shit or get off the pot". They certainly don't deserve to kill X11 because they haven't managed to deliver a viable alternative in all these years. Presumably because they've allotted way too much time to sniffing their own farts and way too little time to writing stable software.

>>105584612 (OP)
Does anyone actually think this project will still be getting significant updates in a year? Two years? Three?
This is abandonware, you guys just don't see it yet.

>>105590525
Those who say it can't be done shouldn't get in the way of those doing it.

>>105585796
>>105586705
>>105586763
>sneedacity
Don't forget

>>105584719
kek

>>105590536
Once you turn 25 and your brain fully matures you will realize that Linux's biggest issue is fragmentation, and that standardization/unification is necessary.
That's why every real distro is adopting things like systemd, pulseaudio, wayland, etc. Sure, you'll always have some loser incel distros that avoid all of that but let's be honest, nobody running those distros is capable of contributing anything useful to the world.

>>105590557
>and that standardization/unification is necessary.
and then you'll simply have another windows/os x and it will be completely worthless because it will have all the same problems as every other corporate os.

>>105590557

>>105590594
He stepped down because he was racist to his brown colleges
LMAO

>>105590557
>Once you turn 25
I wish I still was, kid. That was a long time ago...

>Linux's biggest issue is fragmentation
Freedesktop talking point #31337

>standardization/unification is necessary.
Freedesktop talking point #31338

>That's why every real distro is adopting things like systemd, pulseaudio, wayland, etc.
Freedesktop talking point #31339

>let's be honest
That or "let's be reasonable" is Freedesktop talking point #31340.

>loser incel distros
"Everyone who shuns our pozzware is a chud/incel" is Freedesktop talking point #31341.

>nobody running those distros is capable of contributing anything useful to the world.
And here we reach the mighty crescendo of "only we have ze supreme German software engineering from the University of Hamburg (Lennart Shattering's alma mater) and you are but an incompetent chud", aka Freedesktop talking point #31342.

I've heard 'em all, countless fucking times. Come up with something original for a change. And now get off my fucking lawn, grasshopper.

>>105590637
Such a massive post and not a single argument.

>>105590694
>Such a massive post and not a single argument.
There were no arguments in the post he replied to either. Just a bunch of postulates the freedesktop shills don't tolerate any disagreement whatsoever with.

>>105590366
tv man says they are bad

This is all a psyop so that gnome/Wayland/redhat can be like "see? The only people who care about X11 are nocoder /pol/g/MAGA chuds from 4chan, look how they rally around a rabble rouser who got kicked for doing nothing but breaking code and submitting patches without any testing and making a mess", you are all being played

>>105585029
>hes german

>>105584612 (OP)
When I saw Xorg repo, the original owner moved to Xlibre, if I'm not mistaken, Alan Coopersmith
In your opinion, why the Xorg owner did not move to Wayland

>>105584612 (OP)
The maintainer of this repository is a nutcase anti-vaxxer. Worthless garbage.

>>105592192
You believe that men can be women, he is less crazy than you in my opinion.

As a veteran of the XFree86 days (and the hours of fucking through xfree86config), I'd say bring on the XWars. X11 and Wayland both still rely on the KMS driver or framebuffer anyway.

>>105592192
if you think being anti clot shot makes you a nutcase then go take 5 more boosters.

if the mentally unhinged leftist control freaks had won we'd probably all be taking state mandated boosters every month by now.

>>105592658
>the year of our lord 2025
>still shilling antivax tropes

>>105592192
>>105592672
Might as well stop the vaxx preaching. Nobody buys into your bullshit here. Go dilate or something.

>>105592275
Uh no. Linus said that a man can dress as anything but he never said men can be women

>>105590525
hes a boomer who will probably start receiving a pension soon if not already, he can litterally work on it for the rest of his life if he wants.

didn't the retard behind it think ^ is a power function
posted from sway

tick tock, redskirt sissies

>>105585029
>used linux since the 90s, so hes about as hardcore as it gets
So have I, but I'm not 'hardcore' as you say.

>>105593928
I should have been more clear , he claimed to have used a linux desktop since the 90s according to https://felipec.wordpress.com/2025/06/11/enrico-weigelt/


>Is this the year of the Linux desktop?

>For me it already is since the 90s. Don’t recall when I’ve deleted my last Windows instance – must be somewhere in mid 90s.

>>105593813
>posted from sway
Based

>>105593999
Yes, I've used it daily as well. I don't think I'd be capable of maintaining X. Getting old doesn't make me a wizard. I'll keep using X, and if it becomes unusable on linux I'll just switch to OpenBSD.

>>105594107
hes litterally a kernel maintainer and has been a contributor for a very long time, uses a linux desktop for 25+ years, is a gnu tard, if that doesnt count as hardcore idk what would be , even linus himself uses a macbook.

>>105594277
>even linus himself uses a macbook.
That's a problem with the Freedesktop faggots, by the way. They're entitled little shits who use macbooks (no, not with Linux on them) as a matter of course. So they can fuck up all they like since they do not eat their own dog food, ever.

>>105584821
I don't think the DRM apis are going to change any time soon.

>>105584612 (OP)
>JUST
>ONE
>MORE
>FORK

>>105590835
It's simple. Every other major maintainer wants xorg dead. There is no argument to be had in the first place. And just trying to shove your own commit down their throats won't work. Hurling insults at them won't make them change opinions either.
Just make your own fork. It's not allowed ? Make your own graphical protocl from scratch. Gnome won't support it? Try with other DEs or make your own DE.

This a tempest in a tea pot

>>105584612 (OP)
lundcuck is seriously harming this project just by being beside it, he should shut the fuck up and let the fork get updates to be honest

>>105590538
>reddit engine
people seriously had faith in this fork taking off?
with that name?

>>105590557
>standardization/unification is necessary
this, everyone working on non-windows operating systems should pack up and either leave or work for microsoft

>>105594277
>even linus himself uses a macbook.
IIRC he runs Fedora on it, GNOME maintainers on the other hand are infamous for not even using Linux, much less their own DE, like the fags they are.

>>105590366
Because you are retarded

>>105590557
If Linux needs standardization so fucking much, why the fuck is gayland then doing everything it can to breal that goal? Look at the absolute state of the compositors, it is utterly ogre. Under X everything was standardized, even if ugly.

>>105584821
They got Intel to drop support from Mir on their drivers. They're willing to do anything to stop competition.

Hard to see X11Libre gaining any meaningful momentum aside from some fucking Github stars - wake me up when X11Libre actually sees development. Fuck Red Hat and Wayland anyway.

>>105599081
people are making pull requests, some for legit bugs too, so it seems the man wasn't completely crazy, they probably were blocking a fair number of them.

>>105584612 (OP)
usecase? gtk and qt are dropping x11

>>105585029
>hes german afaik
Mudslimes are just as bad as pajeets

>>105594698
wait for the Rust rewrite :3

>>105584612 (OP)
apart from worthless 'clean ups' that break stuff, what has this guy actually done so far?

>/g/ - American Culture War Board
>only rule is: Reminder that instigating OR participating in flame/brand wars will result in a ban.
>literal /pol/ thread with muh trannies, muh vax, muh antivax, twitter screenshots and endless 0 brain takes
>thread is still up after 100+ replies
I hate this board so much it's unreal. Maybe jay was right, fuck these niggers and make it /trash2/

>>105599337
>Enrico Weigelt
He's OG German.
>Mudslimes are just as bad as pajeets
lol no, not even close

They are now purging every commit made by Enrico Weigelt to Xorg.
>>105600224
>culture war
Kill yourself you IBM shill faggot.

>>105600224
Again fucking kill yourself IBM jeet.

>>105601306
Oh now suddenly they want to work on the X server?

>>105585753
lmao
>>105599330
port everything to the superior toolkit FOX

>>105584661
It's open source, so you can just read the source code if that's all...

>>105601306
Are they breaking it on purpose?

>>105590557
wayland is the opposite of standardization. are you retarded

>>105588864
> Shitty youtube channel shitting on X11 regurgitating red hat talking points
buy an ad

So I am new to Linux and see a lot of this XorgVSWayland stuff, and had even before switching to Linux.

So far, as an end user, I haven't noticeably been affected by either. I think I have Wayland due to KDE.
Outside of the ethics arguments, what does this affect for everyday desktop use/gaming?

Not that the ethics aren't important but I'm curious.

>>105590557
> Linux's biggest issue is fragmentation, and that standardization/unification is necessary.
Indeed. And X11 is a proper time tested standard whereas Waylanders can't even agree on a standard for very basic things like a protocol to take screenshots.

>>105601306
>>105601316
Fuck you, fuck redhat, fuck IBM, fuck Xorg, fuck niggers, fuck jews, fuck trannies, fuck your culture war spam thread, fuck amerimutts, fuck lunduke the kike who got btfo by SUSE, fuck canonical, fuck artix, fuck fedora, fuck Linux, fuck Apple, fuck Microsoft, fuck BSD. YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF FOR SHITTING UP THIS BOARD

>>105601554
> Outside of the ethics arguments, what does this affect for everyday desktop use/gaming?
You use Linux because you want to "own" your system. This means that you want to understand the inner workings and want to configure every detail to your liking.
Wayland prevents you from being a power user because it has a very shitty API designed by idiots that makes it very hard to do anything.
If you are a dumb consoomer and nocoder switch back to Windows and enjoy being assraped

Besides that, at this point X11 gives you better latency for games that don't run full screen in uncomposited mode whereas Wayland has *zero* tangible advantage over X11.
That's about it.

>>105601601
Remember that according to IBM jeets, anything that reflects negatively on this DEI cult organization is culture war material.

>>105584612 (OP)
>>105601708
>(((lunduke)))
Buy an ad you cheap kike

>>105601969
How about IBM buys an ad instead of shitting up american tech? Lunduke is the only one who touched IBM story because they bought the rest of the linux media. Just scroll up and see how moronix refused to cover the story until FDO needed their stalinist censorship whitewashed.

>>105601979
buy. an. ad. kike.

>>105584612 (OP)
okay chuddy

>>105601989
The holocaust didn't happen but it should happen to rent a jeets like you.

>>105601997
Just buy an ad you fucking kike

>>105601708
kek Indian Business Machines does it again

>>105602007
IBM indian repeating the same nonsense over and over again like the AI he pretends to be for his real job.

>>105602015
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103585860
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103585921
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103538026
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103466704
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103434055/#103445216
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103429665
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103403579
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103319204
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103343066
Fucking kike lunduke spamming /g/ 24/7
Fuck IBM though.

How do you convert stars into actual fucking code?

>Noooo, you're kikier than me
TKD + TRHD

>>105602027
IBM jeet, you know there is no one covering the rot at IBM except Lunduke, because the linux media is bought and paid for. I'll start caring about Lunduke posting on /g/ when I stop seeing Moronix shill their joke benchmarks and 2 paragraph puff pieces about KDE, Gnome or Wayland getting a feature Windows had 20 years ago.
>>105602054
Considering FDO is now removing code from Xorg, they've done that for him.

>>105602027
>lunduke
I saw him crying anti-semitism because someone said 'free Palestine'.

>>105602081
>IBM jeeting again
broken record, lunduke
I hate IBM too, but your spamthreads are fucking annoying, make it a general or fuck off, no need for 10 lunduke threads everyday. Buy an ad if you want to shill your fucking substack.

>>105601969
did not know SUSE was so based.

>>105602102
Everyone can see what you're doing, IBM jeet. According to you, talking about anything IBM wants to keep secret is spam. Like the fact that IBM is a parasitical cult run by anti-white indians or the fact that they're paying people to break xorg. You're acting like an LLM to desperately divert from the topic that PAID RED HAT EMPLOYEES are REMOVING WORKING CODE from a project FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

https://odysee.com/@Minnesota-tan:5/Codex-Pajeet-II:4

>>105602133
>Codex Pajeet
Based
Free palestine, lunduke! The holocaust never happened.
Buy an ad, jew.

https://odysee.com/@Honkler:62/David-Irving---The-Holocaust-Lie-1995:3

>>105584612 (OP)
Holy cope
You're fighting an unwinnable battle, chud
No matter the amount of stars and contributions, the only distros and DEs willing to adopt this crap would be chud slop like braptix and hyprland, while everyone else moves on to the future (wayland)
Even those two adopting it are probably not happening

>>105602175
Hyprland is entirely made with Wayland. This is why it's so good.

>>105602217
Hyprland is built on its own stack that has nothing to do with wayland at this point, except implementing the protocols. It doesn't use any freedesktop components that I'm aware of.

>>105602245
NOP.
Literally, the first thing you see on their website.

>105602265
>being retarded on purpose
No replies.

>>105602245
>has nothing to do with wayland
nigger, what?
The name of the project literally is a reference to Wayland...

>>105602245
>It doesn't use any freedesktop components
Uh, mesa drivers, xwayland, libinput, and libwayland for starters

>>105601969
Jews are based though
Why do you leftists cry about them do much?

>>105602059
>>105602091
Go back to /pol/ with the rest of the leftist manchildren

>>105602164
>>105602133
You will never be a woman

>>105602579
>mesa, xwayland
hardly counts. xwayland is 90% xorg and mesa is a bigger project than the rest of FDO put together.
>libwayland
That's a tiny project that's basically one big API. The src folder of libwayland has ~8k lines of code.
>libinput
fair

>>105602611
I am not from the right or left. I think all kikes should perish.

>>105602712
based
>>105602611
>replied to himself
absolute fucking retard kek

>>105602625
This sounds like completely arbitrary criteria to exclude shit. Quite obviously, no compositor would even work without userspace drivers (mesa), so it clearly depends on freedesktop stuff.

>>105602945
Except mesa is used by xorg and wsl as well.
>completely arbitrary criteria
Wayland is a clown show run by people who want to bikeshed over the proper wording of an XML file, mesa provides all of userspace graphics driver support except for libdrm.

>>105589874
I starred it (for free)

>>105602175
It's already in the AUR. You can host PKGBUILD's anywhere. Adults use windows managers, not DE's, It's not a big deal.

It's too late, it's already happened. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre

>anti tranny vax schizos make a fork
>the agp coder trannies are scared of getting called troon so they don't do pushes
>professionals don't want to make their tranny coworkers sad/get the schizo stench on them
>gnufags like trannies because of their freedom autism and don't want the schizo stench on them either
>turns into a circle jerk
>dies
story as old as time

>>105602977
>Except mesa is used by xorg and wsl as well.
and? The point is that hyprland depends on several freedesktop components. Just like almost all of linux graphics. duh

>>105603288
>y-you can tinkertranny it into WMs, who needs DEs
>some stragglers hosted the package, that surely means distros very much against its' chud policies will support it

>>105601554
>what does this affect for everyday desktop use/gaming?
Nothing. It's just people arguing/getting angry because they like arguing/getting angry.

>>105603357
There's nothing to tinker with. It's X11. You clearly have no idea what we're even talking about. Paid Red Hat shill.

>>105603288
>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre
That isn't getting approved in a 1000 years, why even post that

>>105603374
pkbuild, WMs, arch, and x11 are all tinkertranny shit
also trying to dismiss DEs is a massive cope
not as a massive cope as what >>105603382 pointed out though

>>105601554
Wayland tends to be buggier, more experimental, lacking in features which you may or may not care about. It also introduces latency so it's not very good for gaming, it took forever for them to even consider the idea of having vsync as optional.

Wayland was designed for display kisoks without consideration for interactively (latency). The number #1 priority of Wayland "perfect frames", not consistent frames, not fast frames. Frames that never tear. Additionally they bucked modern hardware trends by using an implicit sync architecture, making it orthogonal to modern graphics hardware (the whole reason for Vulkan, DX12).

>>105603399
Enjoy your default fedora installation, saar. GNOME fits your use-case (of nothing).

>1.6k stars
fucking lel

>writing bash scripts
>"Tinkertranny" shit
Why are these retards like this? If you want a computer you can't customize buy a fucking phone. Imagine attempting to shame people for using their computers the way they want to.

>>105603430
>>105603455
>ad hominem
Your chud revival of x11 has no future and you know it
No matter how much you cope in these threads, it's not changing

>>105603483
The massive patch sets being maintained by the *BSDs and activity in the repo say otherwise. If you want a glorified kiosk go right ahead. No one will stop you from running it and the 3 applications it supports without Xorg being installed. The rest of us will continue using our computers the way we want to.

>>105603483
X11 continues to work perfectly, which is more than I can say about Wayland. It's just nice to get some new bug fixes and major culling of dead/ancient code.

I know Red Hat is desperate to get everyone on Wayland but it just doesn't fit my use-case. It very apparent to me everyone is works on Wayland doesn't actually understand graphics architecture or actually uses their computer for anything other than Firefox and text editors. Ironically the last time I did a test run of Wayland under absolute ideal conditions Firefox was misreporting the cursor location lmao, Wayland things amirite? Can't even do the basics, the basics that everyone claims is working.

gayest dumbest jewest poltroon psyop ever
even the lunjew is in on it

>>105603499
>repeating the debunked points thinking it'll suddenly become right
"No matter the amount of stars and contributions, the only distros and DEs willing to adopt this crap would be chud slop like braptix and hyprland, while everyone else moves on to the future (wayland)"
>No one will stop you from running it and the 3 applications it supports without Xorg being installed.
Everything works on my fedora wayland KDE, but continuee seething about the way I use my computer, tinkering with yours all day, while I get work done, chud

>>105585753
>"the crematoriums are getting a bit heated

>>105603539
>fedora
I fucking called it, lmao.

Why doesn't redhat want xorg improved?

>>105603521
>Red Hat is desperate to get everyone on Wayland
It's not just Red Had, it's basically everyone working with windowing and desktops. The simple truth is, for the vast majority of users Wayland just works these days, and developers seem to prefer using it.

>>105603539
I don't care if any Linux distros adopt it. My OS already packages Xorg with multiple patches that fix the security bugs and several of the things you claim X would never be able to do. I look forward to the namespaces and HDR support finally becoming part of the mainline instead of requiring manual patches.
>Everything works on my phone
Good for you. I don't care. I don't run the NSA distro. I actually use my computer for real work instead of as a glorified web browser running a clone of Windows built on Qt.
>seething
You should calm down and stop projecting.
>tinkering with your computer all day
Yes. I enjoy writing scripts and contributing to both the kernel and several userspace applications on the OS I use. I'm sure the users that benefit from me sharing my work to the ports tree and kernel mailing list do as well.
>I get work done
I doubt anyone is interested in hiring someone that can't even write basic English.

>>105603572
Red Hat has spent a lot of time and energy trying to kill Xorg and this fucking chud isn't helping by trying to take it out of semi-frozen maintenance mode.

>>105603574
>It's not just Red Had, it's basically everyone working with windowing and desktops.
Uh, no? Wayland is a burden to application layer developers, they all complain about it. No one gives a fuck what people "working with windowing and desktops" think. Their job is to make windows, it's a solved problem. My window manager gets an update once every few years maybe lmao.

GNOME developer opinions are irrelevant. I wonder what the Qt developers have to say? They probably fucking hate it and are non-stop trying to hack in bad solutions to features that Wayland basically support. Just like everyone else.

>>105603582
>not tinkering and using wayland is le phone
>tinkering with the PC is actually what the working man does, not the other way around
shitty joke
>can't even write basic english
I-IS THAT ONE EXTRA KEYSTROKE? SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!
>I don't care if any Linux distros adopt it.
And so, xe conceded
>I look forward to the namespaces and HDR support finally becoming part of the mainline instead of requiring manual patches.
Never happening, x11 is getting deprecated everywhere

>>105603572
You want to know what it really boils down to? Support contracts. If they aren't constantly pushing out new half broken shit they can't make money supporting new half broken shit. Same reason they wanted to "standardize" the init system. It's a confusing undocumented mess that barely works. But it allows them to charge cold hard cash in return for support contracts no matter what distro is being used. As long as the distro is using systemd+cancer of course.

Also Red Hat's largest custom is the US Military and the intelligence communities. That should tell you all you need to know.

The lie they keep parroting about
>No X developers wanted to keep working on X
Is a load of bullshit. They took over the project after it had been around for 25+ years. Then sat on it and refused to do any maintenance or let anyone else add new features. They weren't "X devs" they were "freedesktop devs". Which have never produced anything of value ever.

>>105603521
Working for you or not, x11 is getting deprecated and xlibre is not getting supported anywhere due to the author chudding out and wayland adoption

>>105603539
>the only distros and DEs willing to adopt this crap would be chud slop like braptix and hyprland, while everyone else moves on to the future (wayland)
Every major distro packages hyprland which is a wayland compositor.
https://repology.org/project/hyprland/versions

>>105603626
>x11 is getting deprecated
If we're to believe the Xorg "developers" it's already deprecated, dead, abandonware. Despite this is keeps getting maintained and everything supports it as a first class, often better than Wayland.

The problem is Wayland has a fundamentally flawed design architecture and needs to be replaced with something new. People have spent 10 years trying to hack their applications into it, and it's still busted.

>>105603607
>they all complain about it.
Seemingly less than Xorg since everyone moved/is planning on moving over to it.

>GNOME developer opinions are irrelevant.
It's not just Gnome, it's KDE, Xfce, Cinnamon, Cosmic, Budgie, Deepin, LXQt. Sway, Sway, Hyprland.

I hate freedesktop as much as the next guy, but if people actually wanted Xorg, Xorg wouldn't be dead.

>build my own kernel from source
>took 2 minutes to check that my hardware was supported by the kernel before buying it
>running most applications through patched X within Arcan
>can drag/drop/share them over the LAN between all my systems in real time
>just werks
>wrote my own WM in a weekend
>just werks
>wrote a DE on top of Arcan in two weekends
>just werks
>my terminal can display a real time clock and videos without 100 layers of stupid hacks
>just werks
>all this shit will most likely continue to werk for the rest of my life
>if I want some wayland shit in the future I'll just run it through X and/or Arcan
>it will just werk
>all this without gnome, systemd, logind, dbus, polkit, pam and all the other stupid shit no one should ever need or use

I really don't get it. It isn't hard to learn how to into UNIX. Who fucking cares what normalfags are running because they're too stupid to into C and sh.

>>105603750
>Seemingly less than Xorg
Just a totally made up statement. Application developers do not care. Their apps were working, now something else is being forced on them and the thing doesn't actually support the functionality you need to port it. So everything turns into hacks and teeth pulling because the FreeDesktop people are bad at their job.

>>105603750
>Gnome, it's KDE, Xfce, Cinnamon, Cosmic, Budgie, Deepin, LXQt. Sway, Sway, Hyprland.
Just say it, it's GNOME. Just GNOME. Everyone else is just going to keep chugging along. Sway and Hyperland are just pseudo-ports of i3wm.

You are so desperate to try to appeal to some authority while it's obvious you don't even really know what you're talking about.

>>105589707
the only reason why it exist because there was no alternative you moronic fuckhole. Now there is wayland. please kill yourself.

>>105603866
You can fantasise about any reason you want. In the end, Wayland clearly became the desired display server by developers all around. Otherwise Xorg would still be thriving.

>Just GNOME
My bad. Didn't know the Gnome devs are the ones in charge of KDE, Linux Mint, System76 and so on.

>>105585426
why would you do that

>>105603925
>KDE, Linux Mint, System76
I like how you just start naming projects like you think I don't know what these are. I honestly don't think you know what they are. Most of the time they're not even logically consistent.

>>105603908
>wayland is the alternative.
Kek, It's been almost 20 years and wayland has yet to deliver a finished product, as current state it's a growing tumor that make things work through x wrappers. For what i see the schizoid boomer has the same if not more chances in delivering a finished xlibre as wayland to finally be a finished project.

>>105603925
Xorg is thriving. It's thriving so hard that not even Red Hat can kill it after 7 years of trying really really hard to kill it. It's like a fucking weed.

>>105603947
I do not give a fuck about your ramblings pajeet. Wayland is what everyone is adopting wasting fucking time on this is pointless.

>>105603978
>pajeet
Considering the projection you've shown so far I guess we can all assume you're street shitter and that's why you have no idea what you're talking about.

Why are street shitters so eager to please their big tech masters? Must be because they're so used to living in a society with a cast system.

>>105603978
>Wayland is what everyone is adopting wasting fucking time on this is pointless.
Clearly not, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions 5 years after Xorg was declared "abandoned" by Red Hat.

>>105603935
>I like how you just start naming projects like you think I don't know what these are.
You clearly don't.

>>105603978
Fortunately nobody is wasting your precious time other than yourself, let other people invest their own as they deem fit and stop seething about you colossal faggot.

>>105603994
you're obviously out of your depth and just repeating stuff you heard without understanding. Actual LLM-slop-tier.

I don't fuck with Big Tech but I keep a Big Tek
Fuck Mark Zuckerberg always readin' through my texts.
Hey fuck the Government don't pay my taxes or my rent
2028 Enrico for president.

>>105603654
If I'm Red Hat, I obviously would take control of Linux news sources first. Either though bribery or blackmail. I think that's what happened to Phoronix's Michael Larabel. He probably fucks kids or something.

>>105600179
He's actually accepting pull/merge requests for starters lol.

How the fuck did this faggot manage to make X11 look cringe?

>>105604029
The big guys pay the bills, So he wouldn't dare.

how many more days until artix has an xlibre build? preferably with xfce

>>105604005
Is that Ebassi or Drew? Can't tell

>>105604118
they all look like that

>>105604103
already has one and it's been up for almost 10 days, it's in the galaxy-goblins (testing) repo
https://packages.artixlinux.org/packages/galaxy-goblins/x86_64/xlibre-server/

>>105604103
XFCE is literally completing their transition to wayland. They will drop X11 soon or later.
A lot of XFCE issues honestly comes from shitty decisions by gnome and gtk.
MATE just doesn't attract enough devs and users from what I can tell. Happy to be proven wrong though.

>>105604103
xfce is total garbage btw.
Mate has better functionality but uses less resources.

>>105604158
neat
>>105604181
two weeks

>>105603347
>The point is that hyprland depends on several freedesktop components
Mesa shouldn't be part of FDO and has little dev overlap with the Wayland XML fetish convention. libinput is the only real FDO dep and I'd call it as a gnome dep too, considering the lead dev.

>>105604181
they aren't going to be dropping X11 anytime soon. first reason being that they have a 2-year release schedule, so next major release is going to be around december 2026 with xfce 4.22. second reason being that xfwm still doesn't support wayland so you have to use another compositor to run xfce with it. they are making it compatible with wayland, but there's no reason to even think they're going to drop support for X11 at all
by the time it does (maybe in a couple decades or so kek) maybe wayland will be more mature and actually usable, so switching won't be an issue at that point

the tards have found their new tech cause

>>105604181
>XFCE is literally completing their transition to wayland
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
>Long Term Goals
>It is not clear yet which Xfce release will target a complete Xfce Wayland transition (or if such a transition will happen at all).
and also on the same page:
>Keep X11 compatibility for the foreseeable future

>sperging over which linux desktop to use
linux is a server os faggots

your mom is a server OS

>>105584612 (OP)
Wayland is dead. It kind of always has been. I'm not saying this out of some luddic or political sentiment, but merely the observation of objective fact that Wayland is 16 years old, and almost all of the feature limitations that it currently has have existed for all of its lifespan.

To clarify, note that the advantages (not theoretical "X was designed for a server-terminal architecture in the 70s and wayland is designed for modern systems", but material use cases) Wayland has over X are merely HiDPI displays, and variable refresh rates, and that they did not meaningfully exist in 2009 when Wayland was released. That Wayland holds these advantages only some 13 years after its inception, and that it holds them chiefly because Wayland developers actively block their implementation in X is the clearest example of Wayland's unlife.

Wayland is not a unique case, but a simple example of the business practices of RedHat corporation whose entire financial model depends on selling products with readily available free susbstitutes and thus absolutely requires the sabotage of such free products. Where as X, and init, and a host of other free software implement the "pro" features that RedHat sells for free, Redhat's alternatives which extinguish these free projects don't. The developers block them because such alternatives are "for common users", and not for " Pro users" and that a "Pro user" should use a "pro product" and that they can't expect the "free" developers to dedicate their "volunteer" labor to maintaining those "pro" solutions when there isn't a "usecase" for the "real community". These Redhat projects not only deliberately halt the free projects, they actively alter them to break compatibility with independent competing projects so as to magnify the effort needed to compete with RedHat " Pro" offerings to the point of unsustainablility.

>>105589707
RedHat supported that fork, LMAO, you fucking retards will fail without a team that arent total retards.

>>105604581
>Wayland developers actively block their implementation in X
I live in blindness over software development
how does this happen

love to see you kids having fun with the latest drama ;)

t. RHEL user

>>105604774
>t. RHEL user

>>105604701
I fail to see why it fucking matters. People flock to xorg because xfree86 devs acted like unreasonable retards and now history repeats with redhat on the unreasonable retard spot. Will xlibre succeed? Who knows and, above all, who the fuck cares. If delivers we have an alternative, if not tough luck, there's nothing to lose here, only to gain. I know that retards like you ride on the dopamine kick you get in acting like manicheam partisan but in this particular case there's nothing to grasp for your directionbrain sindrome other than superficial 10 years old idpol larp and that's fucking stale. Gets some meds with a side of malox and some rest faggot, this isn't a hill to die on.

>>105584821
I'm not a fanatic but that could happen. do you even know how shit works in linux? they might just say "this code is not needed and there is no maintainer so we will remove it" and that's it.

>>105604581
>Wayland developers actively block their implementation in X is the clearest example of Wayland's unlife.
They don't block fuck all. They just refuse to waste resources on xorg now that wayland is ready.

Cry a river. If you think xorg deserves to have HiDPI support, fork the source code and implement it yourself. There is no point in wasting manhours in a project that NO ONE WANTS TO DEVELOP (this is the main reason why wayland was conceived, because no one wanted to work on xorg, as it's a massive bloat). Xorg is the sickman of linux, and it's time to let it die. Fuck abandonware piece of shit.

Also, I think it's really funny that no defender of Xorg mentions how fucking awful and deprived of security xorg is. One application should not be allowed to capture the input of another. This is not windows.

>>105585035
Based.

>>105605254
>There is no point in wasting manhours in a project that NO ONE WANTS TO DEVELOP

clearly there are people that do, and the freedesktop people didnt want to hand it over to anybody else, and wanted it to die with them. which is completely unreasonable.

>>105605306
let's see how many releases xlibre will get.

BTW, I am not saying the guy who forked the project can't code. I am saying that xorg is such a bloat that it takes ages to test any change.

>>105600224
any mentions of trump, biden, vax, trannies and similar crap should become an automatic ban, but will not ever happen in this board.

>>105586763
>projecting
So you guys are organizing this “fork” is a discord?

>>105605403
>I am saying that xorg is such a bloat that it takes ages to test any change.
those of us that use xorg don't really mind that. it was already moving so slowly that any movement at all is already a huge improvement
now yes, at the moment I'm still on X11, because I'm just using what works. when XLibre works, I'm gonna move to that instead. I tried it on my distro earlier today and LightDM refused to display anything, so it's clearly not there yet, but I'm hopeful for the future

I couldn't imagine giving a single fuck about display servers. X11, XLibre or Wayland? I'll use whatever is default and shipped with my distro.

I will move to apple (may ballah forgive me for even muttering the word pbuh) before ever using gayland, now im even more sure about this than before this drama

>>105601316
is red hat a cult?

2 xor 16 lol

>>105606004
>>105606004
They tried.

>>105586892
they seem to care about publicity quite a lot, comes with the territory

These are the kinds of people saving Xorg and you're saying you're proud of using it!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2gUMVGRDKI

>shit security
no thank you

>>105607374
stop running untrusted software and being a pedophile.

>>105607380
>door has no locks bruh
>stop living in a shitty neighborhood
you are dumbfuck retarded anon

>>105606919

>>105605254
Wayland relies on extensions and external programs more than Xorg ever did. Wayland is becoming a monstrosity of spaghetti code before even reaching feature parity with Windows or Mac OS and it will become a bigger, uglier and even less maintainable monstrosity than Xorg simply because it doesn't have a working implementation but 5 different ones meaning that users and devs will ALWAYS have to deal with esoteric bugs that come from each specific implementation and the software struggling to accommodate all of them.

>>105606919

That's cool and all but there's nothing wrong with wayland for my usecase at this point and it's not like they've injected it with some spyware or something. I'll be rooting for xlibre to get somewhere because choice is good and x11 is painfully dated but I will probably use wayland because it works great for me