Thread 105591051

GNOME just works.

And it is fucking gorgeous.

>>105591051 (OP)
>just works
until it doesn't, kek

Isn't technology wonderful? We even have brain-damaged toddlers posting on 4chan now!

xfce master race

It insists upon itself.

>>105591076
>xfeces user outs himself
Why? I thought the shame of using it caused everyone to go into hiding.

>>105591051 (OP)
>gorgeous
Are you blind?

>>105591051 (OP)
looks like shitty as mac os

>no X11 support
>systemd required
grim

>>105592054
>no support for deprecated slop
>the just works init system required
good

>>105592137
/thread

>>105591057
Can you show us a single bug?

Because I don't recall GNOME being proud to announce they reduced the number of bugs that a normal user would find in the first 15 minutes to "just 32".

>>105591051 (OP)
it works so well that you're using someone else's image?
https://linuxiac.com/gnome-48-desktop-environment-released/

>>105592189
Tray icons not working out of the box would be considered a bug in any other DE and create a serious usability issue imo

>>105591051 (OP)
It is pronounced "Dschi-nouhme" btw

>>105592240
>droping a anti-feature is the same as a bug
Sorry, mate. Gnome is for people who valorise a clean UI, free from useless blinking garbage that is there just to distract you.

>>105591051 (OP)
>gorgeous
Looks like Xfce in 2011 or something.

>>105592054
>>systemd required
wtf?

>playskool sized ui elements
undoubtedly designed for third worlders

It just worked ebussy would not be a meme. You don't see memes of KDE devs.

>>105592351
macos copied gnome

>>105592362
I'm not here to defend gnome but it looks absolutely nothing like that.

>>105591051 (OP)
>And it is fucking gorgeous.
You mean was.

>>105592351
really made me think

>>105591051 (OP)
usecase for tray icons?

>>105592414
What is wrong with the modern UI for calendar?

>>105592380
meanwhile in the real world

>>105592334
I use GNOME daily and I like it a lot but you shouldn't have to install an extension for basic functionality. I have my e-mail client, Jabber client, and password manager there for easy access. I also don't like that minimizing a window isn't really a thing by default. I also had to install dash to dock and enable the maximize and minimize window buttons to get reasonable window management behavior.

>>105592054
systemD is Linux's TPM. Everything now relies on it or emulates it.

>>105592452
Sounds like a you problem.

Also, don't pretend that the notification api for GNOME doesn't solve most of those problems.
>I also had to install dash to dock and enable the maximize and minimize window buttons to get reasonable window management behavior.
Dude, learn the Gnome shortcuts. Seriously, you will never go back.

>>105591051 (OP)
I have OCD so my windows opening at anything but the same size as every other program ruins it

>>105592448
Less posts makey more meds takey

>>105592414
>>105592446
>Those elegant curves.
>That minimalist layout.
>My god, it even has a dark style.

>>105592497
Is it possible to make gnome use windows in a way similar to i3wm?

>>105592476
Okay, I can press Super+H to minimize it but with vanilla GNOME I still have to open the menu and then click on it in the dash. Why isn't the dash to dock extension part of vanilla GNOME? It makes re-opening a minimized window a 1 step process like it is, again, on any other DE.
I think the GNOME developers' ideal behavior is that you shouldn't minimize windows and you should just use workspaces instead but that just isn't reasonable. I'm coming from a tiling window manager where workspaces are mandatory but at least that had a scratch pad to send windows you didn't need at that particular moment.

>>105592539
>>105592446
>No delineation between header bar and window body
Add an event for tomorrow: Torture the designer.

>>105592351
oh no no no no

>>105592606
>I need more likes and borders and bulldhit so my tiny brain can detect edges

>>105592593
>but that isn't reasonable
>I'm coming from a tiling window manager
>somehow it's reasonable there
you can move apps to other workspaces it's not hard

>>105592054
x11 works in current distribution releases. you're talking about 5+ years away
by then, they will add some kind of x11 interposer to wayland.

>>105592606
The header bar should not be treated differently from the rest of the program.
I know that most people on /g/ are suckers for retro computing, but wasting hundreds of thousands of valuable pixels just to put the name of the program and the close buttons was peak boomer design...

>>105592678
>He needs graphics at all because his tiny brain can't comprehend text and numbers on a black screen
>
baka

>>105592696
My point is that keeping a program open but hiding its window is another basic feature that isn't properly handled by vanilla GNOME.
The proposed solution as I understand it is workspaces which are useful but in this situation is not a valid solution. I don't want to think so much about where a window is or about moving it back to where it should be. I just want to put the window away in one step and bring it back to where it was in one step.
This kind of thing is why people hate GNOME and why the use case meme exists. >>105591101
This was probably a joke but it's actually true. It doesn't consider the way normal people want to use their computer in the real world, only what the developers think would be the best way to use a computer, hypothetically speaking.
Luckily there are some great extensions available that, along with GNOME, deliver the the nicest looking and most polished desktop experience on Linux.
>>105592744
I agree with this post but I wish GNOME was more consistent with them across their apps and used less confusing icons.

>>105592696
My point is that keeping a program open but hiding its window is another basic feature that isn't properly handled by vanilla GNOME.
The proposed solution as I understand it is workspaces which are useful but in this situation is not a valid solution. I don't want to think so much about where a window is or about moving it back to where it should be. I just want to put the window away in one step and bring it back to where it was in one step.
This kind of thing is why people hate GNOME and why the use case meme exists.
>>105591101
This was probably a joke but it's actually true. It doesn't consider the way normal people want to use their computer in the real world, only what the developers think would be the best way to use a computer, hypothetically speaking.
Luckily there are some great extensions available that, along with GNOME, deliver the the nicest looking and most polished desktop experience on Linux.
>>105592744
I agree with this post but I wish GNOME was more consistent with them across their apps and used less confusing icons.

>>105592744
>The header bar should not be treated differently from the rest of the program.
That's exactly what the app does, though.

>>105592351
freexisters... our response?

>>105592865
Good job anon! you figured out that GTK is smart enough to differentiate between a drag for moving the window and a click for clicking something!
I am proud of you

>>105592380
other way around

>>105592744
Right, because in OPs picture there is not a single pixel wasted on unused space. Truly, the era of efficiency of the GNOME desktop is upon us

>>105592961
>GTK is smart enough to differentiate between clicking on a blank space and clicking on a blank space
Genius, truly makes the entire KDE team blush!

>>105592189
NTA
Desktop icons don't work.

>>105592986
just like how vegans can never make a proper beef patty substitute >>105592351

>>105592993
Are you implying that you are incapable of doing something even "dumbo, traditional algorithms can do? What will you even do in the age of AI? grim

>>105592847
>consistent with them across their apps
You do realize that gnome is full of third party apps whose devs are responsible for using the widgets in a consistent way, right anon? It's like saying "I wish all tailwind navbars were consistent" the devs are responsible for how they use their building blocks. Gnome has the most popular third party ecosystem with at least 350 third party apps https://arewelibadwaitayet.com/

Both statements are false

HDR is worse than on KDE/Plasma

>>105592993
The ideal window according to /g/
>Grab from header
>It moves
>Grab from content
>Should also move apparently?
It's so funny when krashde fans run out of arguments and then they just start making shit up.

Tray icons still not working

>>105593040
>I need 1 dock for apps
>1 more dock for apps by name it "tray"
>And one more dock for apps but name it overview
Are kdefags serious?

>>105593008
A "dumbo, traditional algorithm" can calculate millions of digits of pi. What an absolutely retarded statement only a glue sniffer could make.

Filepicker thumbnails, did they figured out?

>>105593057
Wtf you're talking about
Have you never used system tray? Or are you pretending to be retarded?

>>105593038
>Strawmanning this hard
See
>>105592606

Can you use keyboard shortcuts to tile windows yet?

>>105592847
>It doesn't consider the way normal people want to use their computer in the real world
Gnome is the only de used by professionals in large scales (RHEL, SUSE and Canonical default to GNOME and are the enterprise kings). I'm inclined to believe that they know how real people use their computers in the real world than epic gamers and /g/

>>105593075
>Nooooo I'm out of arguments
>Oh I know
>"Le strawman"

Did they fixed size of window title bars? They used to be way too big. Wasted vertical space for no reason.

>>105593104
They are not too big. Modern (5+ years old actually) monitors have very high density of Pixels. My 2500x1400 monitor has roughly the same physical size as my old 1280x960 monitor
So you can see why having small titlebars is annoying in that case. If there were small titlebars, everyone would just use fractional scaling which kind of beats the purpose of having a high-res monitor

>>105593012
There is definitely some inconsistency even with first party GNOME apps (see picrel) but I'm sure it will get better with time.
>>105593088
I'm sure Bob in accounting has never had to minimize a window and organizes all his windows neatly in workspaces.

>>105592351
>taste like macOS
imagine being at computers

>>105593124
>justifying shit design
Anon, I...
Both GNOME and ubuntu unity when they came out were designed for tablets. Everything was made for your fat fingers rather than mouse. Except ubuntu unity fixed it. GNOME refused to.
You're having Stockholm syndrome.

>>105591051 (OP)
Is it possible to make it look like Apple's Liquid Glass? If not, then it's not good.

>>105592865
Imagine opening an issue with this webm

>>105592189
NTA
Wofi doesn't get centralized on the screen

>>105593101
>I'm just going to ignore the argument so I can pretend there are none

nigga that shit fugly
i miss gnome3 ;_;

>>105591051 (OP)
What is it with MacOS and GNOME users and wanting their desktop to look like a tablet's UI?

>>105591051 (OP)
idgaf about how gorgeous it is, I want my DE to be functional and gnome isn't.
nautilus is worse than the explorer of windows 95 and they're actively removing features so fuck them

>>105591051 (OP)
CSD is cancer. An app (or program for you autists) should only be responsible for the window content. The frame and handle of the window are the responsibility of the aptly named 'window manager' that, you know, manages your windows. The app itself need not know that it is in a window. It could be fullscreen for all the app knows. The handle/titlebar and frame are not part of the app.

>>105591051 (OP)
it's so ugly

Adwaita icons look shite

>>105592539
sooooo ugly

>>105592351
holy baste

>>105591051 (OP)
https://woltman.com/gnome-bad/

>>105592189
>mutter lags with dual monitor and gtk3 applications
>zoom broken when using per monitor scaling
>vrr gets stuck in a state (lowest refresh rate)
>xwayland scaling is broken (only cosmic and kde cope with it well, on the DE side)
and there was another accessibility feature that didn't work, forgot what it was

>>105596392
RETVRN

>>105592189
trying to always on top yakuake using built in tools that should work, simply doesnt. also "global" hotkeys arent so global when another window has focus.

>>105596878
this is a kde issue. i will never even try gnome.

>>105591051 (OP)
did they finally fix that half of the windows captured by obs just shows black?

>>105596593
>https://woltman.com/gnome-bad/
>I Don't Care for Gnome
>writes 5k words about gnome

>>105591065
it's just another rage troll thread

>>105597038
Use case for something the desktop already has inbuilt?

You are all retarded. GNOME almost always just works, but it's dogshit to use the way they want (force) you to.

>>105597038
Use case for something the desktop already has inbuilt?

>>105591051 (OP)
>drivers have issues
>audio bugged
>can't mount disks
>UI is borderline unusable without plugins
>pozzed devs
Why would anyone choose Linux? You get what you pay for. Linux is for servers and old beat-up computers that can't run anything else. Not for real men with real work to do.

>>105591051 (OP)
I have to say, for all it's retardation and the hate it gets from chuds, it actually works well. I like the overview effect and the search function is very fast. I find KDE is better overall though.

>>105597149
does it have the same capabilities as obs?

>>105591051 (OP)
I hate GNOME.
t. GNOME user

>>105597406
Show extensions pls

>>105597370
Nah, it records in VP8 and exceeds the 4chan size limit rather quickly.
Still very useful. This should be a basic feature on every DE.

>>105597262
>Why would anyone choose Linux?
it provides things that windows/macos cannot.

>>105597262
>drivers have issues
>audio bugged
>can't mount disks
>UI is borderline unusable without plugins
>pozzed devs
Yes, but enough about Windows

>>105591051 (OP)
Sorry, I'm not trans.

>>105592351
Really ironic they have a distro whose sole reason for existing is looking like macos

>>105597406
How many 4chan related telegram groups are you in?

>>105598009
I don't know, why?

>>105597991
yet it looks nothing macOS

>>105592351
TROONIXSAARS our response?

It almost fits my use case but i3 does the job better

>>105591051 (OP)
I like the look of the desktop itself but not the app style they use. And functionality wise it's shit. Sticking with kde even if it looks a bit worse

>>105596593
I enjoyed the article until he talked about having to use the middle mouse button to resize windows.
This retard doesn't realize that right click brings up the context menu that allows you to resize. If you don't have a middle mouse button, you're SOL if you want to use any of the other window functions when having it his way.
Besides, right click bringing up the context menu is what you expect on other DEs when targeting the header bar.

>>105597370
Of course not.
That's the entire GNOME philosophy - make the bare minimum features, but at least they are bug free.

>>105597149
Why are linux fonts so shit?

>>105599499
Looks fine to me.

>>105592539
God thank you for putting things into perspective for me, I thought the liquid ass update was but but holy fuck I could be a gnome user and dealing with this. Maybe the bullshit with liquid ass isn’t so bad after all

>>105599669
It looks thin, blocky and blurry to me.

>>105597062
"I don't care for" means "I don't like". "I don't care about" is the phrase you're looking for.

>>105591051 (OP)
Works a hell of a lot better if you install gnome-shell-extensions, log out, and log in to the "classic" mode session. Almost back to GNOME 2

>>105599901
Or you can start using MATE like a normal white man.

Are you even a real gnomie if you haven't bought the book?

>>105600133
I've got this one, does that count?

>>105600661
Ok you get jurisdiction of GNOME Africa.

>>105591051 (OP)
>minor point release
>half of all extensions broken again
Heh, just works.

>>105601260
It only breaks on major releases

>>105601286
Not every time. But I have had my extensions break on non-major releases. Sometimes you only had to change one single line to make them work again (to make them target correct she'll version), other times it was borked.

>>105592351
touché

Gnome is so trash valve abandoned it.

>>105593088
That's because of licensing, retard

>>105601837
No it's not
Qt has been LGPL for almost two decades now. It just a bloated crashy toolkit nobody who's not too deep into it wants to touch. It literally has bs like websocket frameworks built in. Explain to me why a UI toolkit has that? https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/qtwebsockets-index.html
It so bloated that Canonical chose Flutter over it

>>105601473
Valve never used gnome retard

>>105601333
The extensions API doesn't break on minor releases. You can't target minor releases in extensions, check any extension's versions, only major versions are available since 40 https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/ can't believe I have to share kernel with retards like you

>>105592725
>5+ years away

>>105602174
here you go, moron-kun

>>105602318
>stale distro
yawn, here's your (You)

>>105602490
>most installed distro is stale

>>105591051 (OP)
Nah, UI bugs out all the time, and it's total rapeware: you can never uninstall gnome and all of its components without doing a complete hard drive wipe.

>>105599697
That's chroma subsampling artifacts. The black on white text isn't blurry.

>>105592189
wait they already addressed 'kde is ugly'?

>>105592351
because mac os is better
macos > gnome > whatever wm flavor of the season > plasma > cinnamon > windows

>>105592983
are you stupid?

>>105591051 (OP)
>GNOME just works.
Having an nvidia gpu and trying to use gnome says the contrary.

>>105604337
works on my 4090

>>105591051 (OP)
Looks old and retarded. Seriously, why it has this "tablet" like desktop interface? Win8 wasn't enough to prove it was a bad decision?