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Anonymous No.105595572 >>105595619 >>105595748 >>105596003 >>105596042 >>105596280 >>105597783
Now that X11 is forked and XLibre has taken the responsibility to maintain it, Redhat should yank Xserver away or put it on a code-freeze.

Everything moved to Wayland/XWayland anyway, there is no point wasting money in hosting Xorg.
Anonymous No.105595591
K.. Keep me posted
Anonymous No.105595619
>>105595572 (OP)
Wow, what a vision, you just described what they have been planning since 2015.
Anonymous No.105595748 >>105595772
>>105595572 (OP)
They can't. Without Xorg they have a badly designed DE that can run like 3 applications total. Everything application that matters either requires Xorg or runs better in Xorg. They will be forced to maintain Xorg for the next several decades because there is no reason to switch to UNIX desktop without it and no large company that's been using UNIX for years already will tolerate losing access to decades worth of applications that their business depends on.

A "wayland only" desktop would be basically whatever crap comes with modern Gnome. So you're looking at a desktop worse than what Windows 3.11 shipped with. Running your Xorg shit through "Xwayland" is retarded as well because you're putting yet another layer of shit you don't need between yourself and the applications you actually want to run. Which requires debugging more garbage and dealing with it breaking every 6 months because these idiots can't design or decide what is and isn't in their "protocol".

They also pretend like things can't work the other way. If you actually want a wayland application you can always just run it under a DE/WM running on top of Xorg. It will work better than it will on native wayland and will be less trouble to maintain in the long run. It also allows you to do things like not having dbus installed on the system. At worse it'll spam some errors to /dev/null or you'll just have to fake it running to make the application work. Which is what most sane ports of Firefox and Libreoffice have been doing for years.
Anonymous No.105595772 >>105596276 >>105597266 >>105597315 >>105597758
>>105595748
Dumb tranime poster. Name 1 (ONE) useful application cannot be run by Wayland/XWayland.
Anonymous No.105596003 >>105596022 >>105596478
>>105595572 (OP)
people actually use X11 on work machines, this isnt just some faggot social media war. people actually use linux for real work, for profit. not just "i was working on my personal software project with 25 users"
Anonymous No.105596022 >>105598660 >>105598701
>>105596003
X11 is not useful at work. Nobody uses Xforwarding for work.
Anonymous No.105596031 >>105596461
i can feel it... the pendulum.... it swings
Anonymous No.105596042
>>105595572 (OP)
xwayland is the same project as the xserver, its litterally just a different branch.
Anonymous No.105596276 >>105596310
>>105595772
>name ONE application that can't run in wayland/Xorg
Retard doesn't even read the post above and thinks this is a gotcha.

Here is the answer: Any game produced in the last 40 years can't run without X. Why would I put a shitty layer of software between it and the X server when I could simply use the X server?
Anonymous No.105596280 >>105596316 >>105596723 >>105597636
>>105595572 (OP)
I don't know whether the new maintainer is actually smart. There was a ticket when he had a bug where he used bitwise XOR, because he thought it was exponentiation operator... Who knows how many stupid bugs there are in his PRs. I hope that he is actually not a bad developer and just didn't knew the operators, but that thing shows lack of testing. There is no way you wouldn't catch the difference between XORing and exponentiation. Even simplest tests would catch that. If you work on an old system you shouldn't break anything. It's not bullshit webdev where nobody cares that something is undefined and looks funny.
Anonymous No.105596310 >>105596465
>>105596276
>games
I said useful software

>waa waa xwayland
I said Wayland/XWayland
Anonymous No.105596316
>>105596280
I think Xlibre is in good hands. Xorg will die with XLibre. Perfect mach for good looks.
Anonymous No.105596332
how do we create the ultimate autistic-schizo-poltard containment desktop environment?
Anonymous No.105596461
>>105596031
where??
Anonymous No.105596465 >>105596519
>>105596310
Ah yes. This is the part where we pretend everything that doesn't support native wayland isn't useful and wayland loading all of X11 to run everything is really somehow wayland.

How about you shut the fuck up since you obviously have no idea how the software works anyway.
Anonymous No.105596478
>>105596003
I know, right. People treat the Linux desktop as if it's just for tranny ricers. People do real business on the Linux desktop, and a lot of that business is done using X11.
Anonymous No.105596519 >>105596531
>>105596465
Bro stop your mental gymnastics. Can you name a single useful software that cannot be run with Wayland/XWayland?
Anonymous No.105596531
>>105596519
I think I'll keep pointing out that you're being a faggot and pretending Xorg is somehow not Xorg. How about you name a single piece of software being used by a fortune 500 company that requires wayland. We'll wait.
Anonymous No.105596652 >>105596685
personally my dwm setup doesn't need to be changed because it simply works, sorry if that makes you mad
Anonymous No.105596685
>>105596652
Ok but do you agree that anime is for trannies?
Anonymous No.105596723 >>105597666
>>105596280
Can you link this? That's... concerning.
Anonymous No.105597266
>>105595772
>Name 1 (ONE) useful application cannot be run by Wayland/XWayland.
Steam's Library tab flickers like crazy on Wayland. And gaming is the only reason to use Linux over macOS.
Anonymous No.105597315 >>105597979
>>105595772
I'm copying what the other guy said but honestly a lot of games run better in xorg. It's pretty common for older games to need a modeset on my monitor in fullscreen because it doesn't support my resolution. I assume wine itself is what automatically does the backend randr call for this. Applications aren't allowed to do modesets in wayland so any game like will just have a straight up broken fullscreen mode.
Anonymous No.105597636
>>105596280
He's probably OK, hes a kernel maintainer, and hes a soon to be or is a retired boomer, perfect person to deal with X for the next 20 years, while he certainly seems to have some kind of autistic tendencies , the project already has a bunch of pull requests, and he rejects stupid ones, and thats good enough.
Anonymous No.105597666 >>105597702 >>105597705
>>105596723
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56

he seems like hes self aware.
Anonymous No.105597702
>>105597666
At least he is honest about it.
Anonymous No.105597705
>>105597666
kek
Anonymous No.105597758 >>105597772
>>105595772
>Name 1 (ONE) useful application cannot be run by Wayland/XWayland.
xfwm4
Anonymous No.105597772
>>105597758
for now
Anonymous No.105597783 >>105597801
>>105595572 (OP)
wayland needs xorg in the form of xwayland to support most software
Anonymous No.105597801 >>105597817
>>105597783
xorg is just a wayland app
Anonymous No.105597817
>>105597801
wayland has been an x11 app even longer. you know you can run most if not all wayland compositors under x11, right? even the reference weston
Anonymous No.105597979 >>105597986
>>105597315
linux games were made for xorg, and this is why they run better.
Once games are made for Wayland, they will be faster there and will not work on xorg because it takes forever to implement anything from xorg.
Anonymous No.105597986
>>105597979
No they aren't. These games are made for windows. It's easier for applications to interface with win32 via x11 than wayland.
Anonymous No.105598660
>>105596022
xhost +
Let the plumper pics pour in
Anonymous No.105598701 >>105598802
>>105596022
>what are simulation suites with a GUI running on a compute cluster
My colleagues are using x11forward daily even though they don't even know what it is.
Anonymous No.105598802 >>105598892
>>105598701
>What is RDP
Anonymous No.105598892 >>105598905
>>105598802
>yeah just waste time on workarounds due to us breaking stuff because we wanted to
Anonymous No.105598905 >>105598960
>>105598892
>What is portability
Anonymous No.105598960
>>105598905
You don't get it. We have things that just work. Trannies break stuff for some handwave-y reason and expect us to fix the workflow. That's not how drop-in replacements work. I would not mind wayland if it was a 100% perfect replacement for xorg. But seeing as trannies are more concerned with endlessly arguing over protocols instead of shipping stuff that works, that'll never happen.