Thread 105608179

>dependency hell
>unbearably slow
>used exclusively by nocoders
>github flooded with jeetcode
>bottom line retarded syntax clearly created by a nocoder
>valid empty space indentations as PART OF A FUCKING SYNTAX
>Used almost exclusively for AI ... by street shitters / low IQ sub-par developers
Why the fuck did it happen ?
Python was a mistake, it lowered the software quality bar beyond the abyss of retardation.
It should be banned on github.
It is the main reason why the moment you want to watch some coding news on jewtube, you see a brown face speaking what barely resembles a human spoken english language.
Go to hell python (((developers))) and fucking stay there .

>>105608179 (OP)
"Dependency hell"? Skill issue. If you can't manage environments, that's on you, not the language. "Unbearably slow"? We're talking about rapid development and massive libraries, not your niche micro-optimizations that no one cares about. "Nocoders" and "jeetcode"? The industry uses it for everything from web to scientific computing because it works, unlike your pathetic attempts at gatekeeping. As for "retarded syntax" and "empty space indentations" – that's called readability, something your spaghetti code probably lacks. "Used almost exclusively for AI by low IQ sub-par developers"? Newsflash, AI is where the money and innovation are, and Python dominates it because it's effective. Maybe try learning a language that's actually relevant instead of whining about the one that's pushing boundaries. Go back to your basement, Python's here to stay, and you're just mad you can't keep up.

lua < python < javascript

>>105608192
>implying
Filtered

You literally need a container to hold the barely working Python garbage together
How is empty space readable you fucking retarded brown zoomer ?

>Gatekeeping
Worked very well when we kept muslims outside of our boarders and nocoders outside of the tech industry, we were all pros until some fucktard thought it would be a good idea to make a lingo for a cheap low IQ workforce to save some money.

Simple fact is, the pyshit is a lot worse than anything else in terms of portability, readability, overall rigidness of the projects and performance.

Go back to your neet cave and stay there.
You're talking with experienced person, not some liberal faggot.

>>105608223
"Filtered"? The only thing filtered here is your ability to grasp basic programming concepts. "Need a container"? Yeah, because real-world applications aren't held together by duct tape and your tears. "Empty space readable"? It's called clean code, something your mess of a codebase will never achieve.

As for your "gatekeeping" fantasy, the industry moved on while you were stuck in the past. Python's dominance in AI and data science proves it's for pros, not just your imagined "low IQ workforce." Portability, readability, performance? Python handles massive, complex projects with ease, something your archaic methods can't touch.

You're an "experienced person"? More like an expired person clinging to irrelevant tech while the rest of us are actually building things. Stay in your little corner; the future doesn't need your outdated opinions.

>>105608192
baseded

It sounds interesting, but I'd rather stick with Arch and work on my emacs configuration.

>>105608179 (OP)
The wrong language won.

>>105608179 (OP)
>>dependency hell
I see you've never used JS.

>>105608192
ok chatgpt

>>105608223
>he actually fucking replied to an obvious chatgpt generated post
quitting this website

>>105608473
>>105608481
Actually it was Gemini, but good try :)

>>105608179 (OP)
Lol, it’s worse than that.
Read the source code. Comments from vanR saying “i don’t know what i’m doing”
Decided to change the way mathematical expressions work between v2 and v3.
Creator worked at box for years. Never upgraded to v3.

>>105608208
Both js and lua are infinitely better than python. Lua is head and shoulders above the other two

>>105608322
js uses project-resteicted dep scope by default which makes it usable. You can even easily control runtime versions and write project local 'operations'. Python can't hope for any of this without hacks and ducktape

>>105608192
>If you can't manage environments
You also need to manage python versions because of incompatibility issues created by retarded python nocoders.

>>105609277
And relatively often you need to use both library X ans library Y, but it is impossible to do so with one python version, so you need to dispatch through subprocess to change the environment and parse the output to do it.

use rhombus-lang

>>105608265
Unironically so. It's very boring for me to write Ruby these days, especially when I can just feel how slow it is compared to compiled languages, but at least it's not Python. Python is like PHP in terms community of retards, but it actually attracts different kinds of retards. I somehow respect PHP at least.

>>105608192
Ok but un ironically try that on some shit like Google Collab, where everything is almost capped or you can't set as you would on a normal computer a terminal
>!pip install condacolab
> Import install
> Restart runtime
> Set mamba in base
> Create -n env python = go fuck yourself
# you need to run conda run or conda run conda or conda run conda mamba conda run just to add in an ephemeral way the setup of conda
> Fuck my life try something different, stuck on condacolab
> Conda run create fuck this
> Conda run install/update(hope they didn't change some version of something)
Broken forge/ pip retarded can't deal with packages
> Try pipreq.txt
> More broken. Cause conda hates pip and viceversa
> Debug a few hours a really unknown nummy (yes nummy) depo from 2001 that yesterday changed some code line from nummy to Nummy_ fuck me
> Able to FINALLY run a git repo and set env on conda
> Uses base by default cause kernel is not changeable on Colab...
> Try change conda, crash
> Look for, can't change kernel even if some slavic protindueuropean from 2025 two weeks ago could even fuck the kernel in the ass and come all over the server
Ahah changed fuck you

So you understand that you need to write a script to create a file inside colab to run that file with the env in cells
And you still loose the print output

Fuck python, is the cotton picker of languages

>>105608265
>Functions over 10 lines gives a warning
>Everything is an object
It deserves death.

>>105608179 (OP)
>dependency hell
I don’t get why programming language’s package manager are so shit. Like just copy what pacman does.
Pip still can’t cleanly uninstall packages and their dependencies, right? Was it made by microsoft employee or something? So retarded.

>>105608179 (OP)
>>valid empty space indentations as PART OF A FUCKING SYNTAX
Slight correction, anon, it's not just valid empty space indentations , it's ENFORCED.

>>105608179 (OP)
>dependency hell
use pyenv
>unbearably slow
for what? you know you can make tasks multithreaded

>>105611581
This is a yescoder-only thread. Go back from whence you came, nocoder

>>105611607
python is coding whether you like it or not

>>105608192
good morning sir

>>105611607
post github

>>105608192
>"Dependency hell"? Skill issue. If you can't manage environments, that's on you, not the language.
no, that's on the language akshually. languages with decent dependency management don't need environments at all.

>>105612733
>Update
uhm akschtually all my repos are private

>>105612756
>languages with decent dependency management
Name 1 programming language like that. They are all shit with dependencies.

>>105613100
C++

>>105613100
lisp

>>105608179 (OP)
What are dependencies again?

t.learning

>>105613100
java

>>105608192
Does Python3 have good libraries that Python2 had now or whatever?

>>105613100
OpenDylan

>>105608192
>"I've never seen conda in my life", the post
kekw.

>>105613157
There are still several niche software that never got ported. The problem is that every minor version bump changes shit in the stdlib so things that work in 3.9 are not giaranteed to work in 3.10 and vice versa. It's not just a theoretical but rather an extremely common everyday pain.

>>105613100
go and rust are pretty good with this

>>105608580
>vanR saying “i don’t know what i’m doing”
kek what a chad

>>105613181
Has it improved, from say, 2 years ago?

>>105613100
WHAT ARE DEPENDENCIES?

>>105613100
Java's Maven can easily handle different versions of the same dependency.
Even JavaScript's npm can do that, albeit in the dumbest way since it creates a node_modules folder for every project causing redundancy.
There's no need for environments at all.

>>105608179 (OP)
All you pathetic nocoders never fail to make me laugh with your "python le bad, C good" threads. Face it, most Python developers will be infinitely more successful than any of you sad virgins will ever be. You are on the wrong side of history, get over it losers.

>>105609029
All that is done by npm, for python you can achieve the same with various tools i.e uv, which also does runtime versioning unlike npm

>>105613272
It's become worse, more frewuent and widespread breakages and people have wisely stopped caring about trying to support multiple minor versions as rhey used to do

>>105608179 (OP)
at least python is actually fun and easy to use.
JS is like python but mixed with cock and ball torture. You WILL write a dogshit bloated and slow website and you WILL not even understand how the fuck it even works

>>105613100
C.
Dependency management is your package manager.

>>105613370
only python requires runtime versioning and only uv, which is brand new, handles these other features

What are dependencies?

>>105613404
not in practice, rather you manually pull from e.g. github. Because different distros have totally different versions and often you need a much more recent version of a lib for a feature or other

>>105613272
Even packaged python shit is now broken in linux distros. No one can keep up with all the breaking changes. Stop using python.

>>105613556
stop using python AND linux

>>105613401
nowadays python insists you use JS for front end. it may as well be a part of the lang

>>105608192
the language model that wrote this comment was developed in python btw.

>>105608179 (OP)
This under every point. Also add the fact that packaging is done by literal apes.
>yeeeah, the latest version is X, but it only contains a build for linux... install a version Y from 5 years ago! no the project is not abandoned!
>we uhhh put an upper restriction on a dependency just in case... what do you mean the version is 8y old?? it works on my machine!!!
>uuuuhhh, install it from conda bro, who uses pip in 2025. also did you know I hate corporate centralisation?
I HATE PYTHON WITH PASSION

>>105608179 (OP)
The use for Python is rapid prototyping for applications where performance doesn't matter. I mostly write web scrapping code that will be discarded in a month or so after the web admins get annoyed of my scrappers. Never had any problems with dependencies, just make a venv, import requests/httpx, BeautifulSoup4, and whatever packages you need to process and store the data. Pretty comfy desu

>>105608265
Ruby didn't invent anything.

>>105615494
you are using python correctly. webdev uses it as a backend to run everything. that runs like absolute trash and leads to conflicting deps

Python was depreciated by Rust.

>>105615809
rust deprecated itself

>>105615891
>Daily chud cope

>>105616145
>c-cope
take your stupid cuck lang and shove it up your ass. it was doomed when it's mission was to replace c++ when it's about replacing C you stupid tranny. I hope the borrow checker buck breaks you so hard your anus prolapses

>>105616206
Sounds like you have been mind broken by chad Rustaceans. Dw you can always give up your foolish ways and join us. We don't judge you for the err of your ways, because being a higher class of programmer, as all us Rustaceans are, demands us be a higher class of person. See you soon.

>>105616371
nice cult you have there. not signing up

>>105611581
>for what? you know you can make tasks multithreaded
python threading isnt truly simultaneous, making it less efficient (which is why its still shit slow :/), making it techically not true multithreading… ill tell you for sure a lot of programs that utilize multithreading for actual efficient performance will most likely NOT be written in python…

>>105608179 (OP)
interpreted + dynamically typed = trash lang
simple as, you don't even need to mention all the stuff in your post

>>105608179 (OP)
Enter: the white man's Python replacement

Now, the only downside is a rather slow startup

>>105616969
tech illiterate retard

>>105618846
The pretend-removing-GIL-no-guarantees-it's-working does not solve the threading issue

>>105618854
Dig yourself an even deeper hole, deepak.

>>105608192
I can only imagine how much time and anger it took OP, only for AI generated slop written in Python to immediately crap on his handcrafted post.
OP will never recover.

>>105616969
I can tell based on this post that you have never actually touched Python for more than 5 minutes.
I'm not going to bother wasting my time trying to argue with a million idiots who use blogposts from 2007 as ammo, thinking people use Python the same way lesser developers use their own languages.

Try reading the source code of any of these machine learning libraries.
You might be shocked.

>>105608192
I have never once though dependencies were a hinderence in python, its literally the only language where dependencies are entirely seemless and you dont have to think about them at all and thats 99% of why python is so loved
OP is obviously a nocoder and a larper

>>105619046
it gets pretty bad if you have to work with different teams in the same company. enough dependencies from other teams tends to get really retarded with version guards.
but that's why docker gets pushed so hard.

>>105619046
t. never used any language, least of all pyshit

>>105619059
docker makes the problem worse because it incentives devs to break things every day because 'people will just use my docker'. This way interfaces between dockers individually contianing single softwares break down all the time

>>105618906
Cope

>>105613407
>Only python requires runtime versioning
Try running an ancient node package or a latest one with node v6 then

And there are dozens of python package managers, uv only really added runtime versioning

>>105620052
You don't need to do that in js. Only in python is it a recurring problem. Yet, it works just fine in js.

>>105608179 (OP)
Python, a language for pythoniggers.

Python is the best! Here is our developers working hard on the Django code base. You'll have to use Docker if you wan't to give it a whirl. Don't worry about the query timeouts when they happen, we'll just get a beefier dev server soon

My company lets me download the Python compiler though, but they don’t let me use any self executed C/C++. I would certainly love to learn but companies need to unlock their draconian device lockdown then.

>>105616371
I like to live dangerously because I'm not a coddled faggot

>>105611581
>for what? you know you can make tasks multithreaded
GIL would laugh at this post, but its currently waiting for other threads to finish

>>105608179 (OP)
>search shithub for thing
>it's in python
>it doesn't work