Thread 105610917

>"Sound cards are useless with modern motherboards in this day and age!"
>buy a sound card
>everything sounds better, even with no enhancement options enabled and a flat equalizer
>can now switch between headphones and speakers with a single click of the button
>switching between speakers and headphones doesn't require me to refresh the YouTube to hear sound again

>>105610917 (OP)
i like pic related because I can pipe audio output of whatever software I have to audacity with no software tinkertrooning, I just need a cheap audio cable. works like a charm for sdr.

>op posts something factually correct for once
I now await some faggot to waddle in claiming USB DACs and mic interfaces' outputs to be better.

theyve always been better if you care about good audio, but most people dont seem to... the external 'cards' can be quite nice too

>>105611013
I can't imagine why a USB interface would be any way good compared to PCI. There's a significant amount of delay and far less data bandwidth.

>>105610917 (OP)
>switching between speakers and headphones doesn't require me to refresh the YouTube to hear sound again
What sort of dogshit OS are you using? This wasn't an issue even with Slackware 12 running raw ALSA.

>>105611025
You're not losing data with usb 3.x. An audio stream of raw data is only so large. It dumps raw audio data and then acts as a processor. I came from having a quite nice sound card to using one of the SB externals and didn't see any downgrade once I got settings dialed in. And no, there is not a significant delay. Everything is perfectly synced.

>>105611025
USB is fine, audio doesn't need that much bandwidth. And drivers have gotten better over the years, delay isn't a problem anymore.

>>105611025
Nigger, audio could never need more than a few MB/s of bandwidth.

>>105610917 (OP)
>be me
>have pipewire on gnu/linux
>switching between speakers and headphones just werks automatically and manually

>>105610917 (OP)
even pricy mobos slap in mediocre audio chips, yeah. I can't fucking stand that low buzzing sounds that gets into the headphones whenever the GPU does intensive work.

>$700 modern mobo with latest audio chip
>stereo mix doesn't work like last 15 years of motherboards
>have to use vb cable workaround that introduces latency and requires extra clicks
you vill not record the Spotify directly from desktop. we vill pay mobo manufacturers and audio chips manufacturers to ruin basic functionality and features. you vill have no control over your audio unless you switch to shitty mac.

>>105611179
uhhh just torrent music?

>>105610917 (OP)
>everything sounds better
placebo effect, retard
>can now switch between headphones and speakers with a single click of the button
there's software that adds this to your taskbar and doesn't require buying a retarded overpriced sound card
>switching between speakers and headphones doesn't require me to refresh the YouTube to hear sound again
...it doesn't for me either and I don't have such a sound card, what?

>>105610993
>I now await some faggot to waddle in claiming USB DACs to be better
...they are because they don't sit inside a faraday cage full of electrical noise, are you mad that an 8$ dongle does the same thing as the 100$ scam you just fell into?
audiophools are something else

>>105611025
usb 2.0 is 480 mbps
lossless uncompressed 48 khz 24 bit audio (far beyond the limits of human hearing) only required 2.3 mbps of bandwidth
how fucking retarded are you

>>105611209
>>105611216
quiet, kevin

>>105610917 (OP)
Can you connect an XLR microphone to those?

>>105611216
Soundcards don't have that issue because they are shielded, and the amount of interference inside a computer case has been significantly reduced thanks to the deprecation of Hard Discs. But soundcards were still used without shielding and with hard discs just fine in the early 2000s.

USBs are only good because they can plug into your laptop. PCI cards can't.

>>105611292
>Soundcards don't have that issue because they are shielded
they are still way less shielded than an 8$ chinkshit dongle, and since that's the only thing that really matters there's no gain in spending 20x as much for an audiophool card
>USBs are only good because they can plug into your laptop
they can plug into your desktop just fine and do the same thing while not falling for a literal scam, wasting even a single pci lane/slot on a sound card makes zero fucking sense when all you are transfering is 2.3 megabits per second of pcm audio

>>105611322
>wasting a PCI slot
Uh, it's completely unused. I'm more concerned about wasting a USB slot.

>>105611341
>I'm more concerned about wasting a USB slot.
usb hubs exist you know...
an 8$ dongle + a 10$ usb hub with like 17 ports is still way cheaper than a 100$ audiophool pci sound card, how are you so bad at math?

>>105611363
and besides, pci to usb port cards also exist
so you could get a 4 port pci expansion card instead, use one for the usb dongle, and get 3 extra usb ports
you really are a fucking dumbass holy shit

>>105611363
>>105611372
How can I test the interference theory? I have the sound card ready and a $300 pair of headphones connected to the front port, so it should have the most amount of interference..

>>105611462
you get a USB audio interface, plug your headphones into it and compare the difference. main thing i noticed was onboard having much more white noise.

>>105611488
again, this doesn't work because of placebo effect.
you need to have someone swap the inputs for you so you don't know which is which
an audiophool will now chime in and say they found the usb dongle to have 2000x more noise than their retarded sound card

>>105610917 (OP)
For me it was
>Get interested in voice acting
>Get Quadcast because turdworlder so it was either that or a Yeti
>Monitoring headphone jack straight up sounds better than MoBo audio
>Never get into any projects, keep mic pretty much just for the soundcard and the occasional VC

>>105611363
>10$ usb hub with like 17 ports
17 ports using the same controller are all going to be trash.
>>105611372
>pci to usb port cards also exist
>wasting a pci slot

>>105611488
I set the volume to max on my PC and then had youtube running at minimal volume and don't hear any white noise through my headphones. I have a speaker that is ground looped so I unplug the charging cable whenever I want to have a good audio experience with the speaker, so I know what white noise is.

>1995+30
>Xher's sound hardware doesn't let you check the functionality of the rest of your computer hardware by memorizing the sounds they all make crosstalking with your speakers
>Shit cry piss and cum if you have to plug in a joystick or connect to dial up
ISHYGDDT

I bought a 58$ dac with optical input
works like a charm, and makes some use of the optical output on my pc, I also split it to active speakers which take optical as well, so switching between my headphones and speakers is simply done by turning the speakers or dac on or off, love how it just works
I don't see how its worth sacrificing a precious pcie slot or usb interface when optical exists

>>105611488
checked

>>105611514
>17 ports using the same controller are all going to be trash.
a single usb 3 controller can handle like up to 250 usb devices and an usb dongle only draws like 0.2 mA so no
>pci to usb port cards also exist
>wasting a pci slot
how is wasting a pci slot for 3x usb + 1 audio card more wasteful than using it for an audio card and nothing more? what the fuck is your point here?

>>105611289
You can't

>>105611532
>I don't see how its worth sacrificing a precious pcie slot or usb interface when optical exists
most mobos don't have an optical output, simple as.

>>105611508
i don't care what you think worked or didn't work for me. what i'm telling you is that it my case the USB interface compared to onboard realtek reduced white noise levels very noticeably. i'm not the kind of retard who pretends to hear differences between 64k Opus and raw PCM or whatever, yet that shit was clear as day.

>>105611179
uuuh huuuuuh, riiiiiight. Not like modern audio servers are advanced enough to redirect audio, or not like jack could do this since forever. Also just download from Deezer, nigger

>>105611574
>a single usb 3 controller can handle like up to 250 usb devices
And they're all using the same bandwidth. Connect more than one external drive and everything's fucked.
>how is wasting a pci slot for [...] more wasteful than [...]
You were the one whining about wasting a slot >>105611322
Make up your mind.

>>105611595
unfortunate, guess that's the price to pay for cheaping out on a critical piece of hardware

>>105611517
you're telling me you maxing out your PC volume with nothing playing, sounds exactly the same as if the headhones were unplugged? yeah, i'm gonna call bullshit.

>>105610917 (OP)
I am sorry you have a terrible motherboard, try not buying the cheapest one next time

>>105611635
>And they're all using the same bandwidth
...of which an usb sound card barely takes any
>Connect more than one external drive and everything's fucked.
it's not a 2.3 mbps soud card that will cause that
>You were the one whining about wasting a slot
I was whining about wasting a slot on a sound card, while you could use that same slot for a sound card + a bunch of usb ports (which is apparently that retard's priority), I don't understand how this contradicts anything that I've ever said

>>105611637
>having to buy a 5$ usb hub is the price to pay for cheaping out by getting a 100$ mobo instead of a retarded fancy 300+$ dollar one
wow, nobody in this thread can do basic math, it's insane.

>>105611691
it's funny because OP is bragging about getting scammed by buying an overpriced sound card, and you are bragging about getting scammed by buying an overpriced mobo
kekw, you both really like jews I guess.

>>105610917 (OP)
Yea. They are useless ... Because USB DACs exist (aka external sound cards, with less electrical noise around them, meaning better outputs).
Tho desu your sound card is probably already pretty damn good so if you don't feel the need to switch, you don't have to.

>>105611644
>PC Volume 100%
>Youtube volume 5%
>Headphones plugged in
No white noise

>speaker plugged into power
White noise from speaker. This shows that I know what white noise is.
>speaker unplugged from power
No white noise from speaker

>>105611750
>avoiding the question while being a smartass
real compelling story bud

>>105611216
Sure, sure, and I bet you buy 30cm thick padding for all of your gold plated cables, keep them off the floor with dedicated stands, and have a crystal resonator sitting atop the device too. Retard.

>>105611697
>it's not a 2.3 mbps soud card that will cause that
And? If it's using the same controller as 16 other devices, it's still going to suffer.
Suggesting a cheap USB hub for any reason is clueless, surface level "tech enthusiast" behavior.
>I was whining about wasting a slot
Yep.

>>105611289
>>105611591

>>105610917 (OP)
>he bought a pcie sound card, instead of a usb dac/amp
oh god.

>>105611811
Amazon adbots are PISSED eh? Creative needs to buy a (((viral))) ad here and you'll change your faggot tune lol.

>all these "just use a usb dac retard" posts
>same typing style
>same grammar mistakes
>all more than 1 minute apart
4chan needs to bring back the IP counter.

>>105611851
It's one of the jannies for sure.

>>105611808
>buy a proprietary addon desktop interface to go with a PCIE card
>instead of just buying a standalone desktop interface
>just because you're a tech boomer who really wants a PCIE sound card
holy shit

>>105611851
>anyone who disagrees with me is a bot/janny
Many such cases.

>>105610993
I have two USB DACs, one for speakers, one for headphones, takes me zero clicks to switch from speakers to headphones and equalizer apo switches EQ presets automatically by device filter. Objectively better than OP's setup.

>>105611808
Sorry but the point of having a sound card would be one less box, this is dumb

>>105611793
I'm literally advocating for an 8$ chinkshit dongle and i'm the audiophool that's using gold plated cables? how do you even reach such conclusion

>>105611803
>And? If it's using the same controller as 16 other devices, it's still going to suffer.
and what does this have to do with the usb sound card?
>Suggesting a cheap USB hub for any reason is clueless
as if everyone is running 15 external usb hard drives at once, okay.
>I was whining about wasting a slot, yep
thanks for confirming you don't have a working brain

>>105611871
>>105611897
>hurr durr proprietary
It literally comes with the card. It is the same product. It's no different from the ZXR having its little island where you can plug in headphones and headsets.

>>105611888
>I have garbage and use a CPU-guzzling equalizer to do what a sound card could do with pure hardware acceleration

>>105611842
why would an amazon adbot raccomend something you normally get from aliexpress and for very cheap instead of something you are much more likely to get from amazon and with very big profit margins
literally nobody in this thread has a working brain

>>105611851
>all these "pci sound card is better posts"
>same lack of any brain power

>>105611940
Because you're paid to do it, it's that simple. You laid it on a bit too thick this thread, there's such a thing as over-shilling you know. You do it all the time.

>>105611937
>his CPU is so awful EQ takes more than 0% CPU load

>>105611965
>using destructive digital EQ
lol

this is just as good as your built in soundblaster btw

>>105611937
>CPU-guzzling equalizer
I can't... like are you even real at this point
equalizer apo for a parametric eq uses like 0.2% of a single core, and you use that as a justification for a 150$ sound card?
you could've bought a much more powerful cpu for that price difference, yet another retard that can't do math, of course, because if you were able to do any basic math you wouldn't have fallen for this

>>105611973
>he doesn't know analog EQ raises noise floor unlike digital EQ
lmao

>>105611937
>It literally comes with the card. It is the same product.
Ah yes, I bet that if you just buy the card itself, they just throw it in for FREE if you order RIGHT NOW.
>It's no different from
...a USB interface that doesn't go in the PCI-e slot? I think you'll find that yes, it is different.

>>105611983
Unless you're in an anechoc chamber it's not really an issue.

>>105611783
Yep, I maxed it out and unplugged/plugged it in multiple times but couldn't hear a thing.

>>105611953
>amazon pays you to advertise it's main competitor
okay? why?

>>105611997
>he's deaf
I'm sorry. Keep playing with your noisebox,

>>105611980
Probably, but the sound card I got was 1/3 the price of that and takes up no desk space.

>not getting your bio-ears replaced with elon musk neuraphones
enjoy your non-bit-perfect hearing faggot

>>105612012
these are only worth it if you truly want all channels to pop and i have it on a media pc hooked to a stereo with an 8 speaker setup

>>105612008
You're just a salty jeet adbot. You're mad you got called out.

>>105611949
case and point

>>105612021
Honestly, that would be so fucking sick. Zero bleed, perfect audio. All that matters is the DAC that converts bits into brainwaves.

>>105611198
>>105611627
>just accept not having loopback direct from the motherboard that is easy for everyone to use with no latency, goy
I vill own nothing. I vill hear nothing. I vill not record audio from "This PC" (formerly "My Computer")

>>105612091
but i own all of the files ive ever torrented?

>>105610917 (OP)
>blocks your path

>>105610917 (OP)
How do you solve the problem of interference from the GPU coil whine creating audible static?

>>105611707
my prime x570 pro only cost me 240$ with tax :^)

>>105611926
>and what does this have to do with the usb sound card?
It would presumably be using the cheap hub you keep suggesting.
>as if everyone is running 15 external usb hard drives at once, okay.
>"more than one" means 15
Even one sufficiently fast drive could saturate the controller. Two mediocre drives would easily throttle everything else.
I swear, every Indian on this website is sub-80 IQ train fodder.

>>105612143
i still do not understand what your fucking point is
it's like "a gas stove is better than an electric stove because an electric stove doesn't work if you overload your electrical system and trip the breaker
an usb dongle uses so little bandwidth it can't be the cause of the controller getting overloaded, there's no reason for you to presume that an usb hub will be used for external drives
and besides, a 4 port pci to usb extension card could handle a usb sound card + a drive or two before throttling, okay... how many external drives can a usb sound card handle? the answer of course is 0, so again, what the fuck is your point?

>>105610917 (OP)
>Not using an internal soundcard to upmix stereo content to a surround sound system.
Why even bother arguing over internal vs. external at that point? It's all the fucking same at that point.

>>105611216
You're just doing it wrong kid
Go be a tech Luddite somewhere else

>>105612190
you can do it in software with any soundcard
>inb4 muhhh cpu utilization
you're brown, and a faster cpu costs much less than a dedicated sound card.

>>105611322
This loser faggot doesn't do audio production

>>105612189
There's a single line in that post that summarizes the point, and you chose not to address it.
Until you do that, I won't be responding to your future posts, of which I'm sure there will be dozens.

>>105611292
they get switching noise from the directly from the slot, they do their best to filter it , but it is very hard to completely eliminate with a soundcard. external dacs do a better job isolating themselves, especially if they have their own power supply.

>>105612217
why would audio production require more bandwidth? you work with higher resolution files for reasons i forgot but you don't need higher quality output for that, your ears are still the same as everyone else's retard
and besides, even 384 khz 32 bit uses what? 10 megabits? maybe less

>>105611981
>actually defending cpu cycle usage on audio when dedicated audio hardware should run it all
>>105611986
It's literally the product, retard. That specific card and its desktop companion are the same product.
You're the type who bitches about buying bottled water because "well they don't just give you the cap for free".

>>105612483
>when dedicated audio hardware should run it all
yeah I bet your audiophool audio card takes care of resampling, mixing and decoding of all common audio formats, sure.
nigga this isn't video where doing it in cpu is expensive, equalization takes no processing power at all, and even if it did, it would be marginal compared to all the rest
your audio card isn't "running it all", why is equalization the point where you draw the line?

>>105612430
>audio production
>you don't need higher quality output for that
holy shit the absolute state

>>105610917 (OP)
Being an audiophile is a sign of being a faggot though

>>105612209
Not all or any software does a good job of upmixing stereo to surround channels.
I don't care if I could have bought a 2700k instead of a 2600k had I not bought a soundcard, My soundcard is still not obsolete but the sandy bridge system was nearly a decade ago.

>>105610917 (OP)
I had that asus xonar for a while, but it always had this high pitched wine. But I was impressed with it's speed on FL Studio without needing to use ASIO4ALL.
But I definitely love sound cards for XP era. EAX makes all those old games fucking phenomenal.

>>105610917 (OP)
>motherboard comes with audio
>graphics card comes with audio
>buys an audio addon card
seems rather silly

>>105612619

https://www.igorslab.de/en/disadvantages-of-onboard-sounds-problems-and-workarounds-headphones-guide-and-background-knowledge/

>>105612619
>phone comes with computer
>fridge comes with computer
>buys a seperate computer
Seems rather silly.

>>105612519
>working in audio production means you have superhuman hearing
holy shit absolute retardation

>>105612718
I can't run 3 gaming monitors from my phone. Now find a way to use my fridge, phone, TV, and coffee maker to run my game and get smoother frame rates then ok.

>>105610917 (OP)
Why bother with sound cards when a dac/amp unit mogs it? No really, that's the impression I got from audiophools.

>>105612779
So you spent extra money for a specialized appliance to get a superior experience? Seems rather silly.

>>105610917 (OP)
integrated mobo dacs are fine and buying a soundcard in this day and age is fucking retarded. if you want to spend money for an actual audible increase in audio quality buy a receiver, sub and some decent speakers instead of wasting your money.

>>105612513
>cope
I accept your concession.
>>105612795
>just use garbage instead

>>105612900
I used an intergrated mobo for a week. It's garbage. It was a $300 mobo, too. Just get a cheap mobo and a nice sound card instead.

>>105611025
Audio is such a small amount of data bandwidth dont mean jackshit.
While digital all that matters is loss, and loss is dictated by your codec (How much it compresses/distorts).
After going Analog everything matters.

> (far beyond the limits of human hearing)
Idk if thats ever been proven out.
Something like that starts as a myth & people just run with it.

>>105611462
I hear what sounds like coil whine on my front panel 3.5mm jacks if I crank the volume all the way up. All the way up, with nothing playing. I'd never be able to hear it during regular use. I imagine if I took the spinners out of my case, since the iternal front panel cable runs past them, or shielded the cable (copper tape, then heatshrink/electrical tape again since I don't want bare copper flopping around in there) it'd go away. Copper tape worked great all over the insides of a bass guitar that could pick up my computer at a distance like it was a fucking satellite dish. I just took the pickguard off and taped the entire insides up. Forgot what I did to connect it to ground.
HOWEVER
If the USB cable to my audio interface is running around or near active external hard drives that are currently spun up, I can actually hear audible EMI over silence at regular listening levels. Which doesn't quite make sense, the USB cable isn't carrying "audio" the way a 3.5mm/RCA cable would. Maybe it's improper/poor grounding - USB cable acting as an "antenna", noise being transmitted through to the big ass looped cable on my headphones. I should go find that old USB cable with the chokes on it.

EMI is EMI. If you're in a noisy environment, it's not going to matter what you're fucking using.

>>105613300
>Idk if thats ever been proven out.
it's literally basic common knowledge about how human hearing works
https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
you could test this yourself, unless you are very underage it's impossible for you to hear anything beyond 20 khz (not to mention, it would just be a high pitched pointless noise), 44.1 khz of the redbook cd standard already exceeds that by a bit
and when it comes to dynamic range, how the fuck are you going to argue that you need a 140 dB difference between the quietest and loudest sound in a recording? 140 dB is like instant hearing damage territory

>>105613353
The USB wiring probably experiences an increase or decrease in the current supplying the power, resulting in the device's voltage changing and thus you can hear the interference.

>>105610917 (OP)
>buy an amplifier
>everything sounds better, even with no enhancement options enabled and a flat equalizer
>can now switch between headphones and speakers with a single click of the button
>switching between speakers and headphones doesn't require me to refresh the YouTube to hear sound again
Don't fall for the soundcard meme

>>105611292
I remember having to cover my soundcard in cereal box cardboard and aluminium foil to stop it from picking up noise. It would also oscillate buzzing based on the frame rate and load on my GPU.

>>105611292
>Soundcards don't have that issue because they are shielded, and the amount of interference inside a computer case has been significantly reduced thanks to the deprecation of Hard Discs.
You sound exactly like the kind of guy who'd pull shit like this straight out of his ass, back in the early 2000s. Good job you're still doing it.

>>105611025
>audiophiles have to live with just 80 Gbps USB 4 bandwidth for their audio output

>open thread
>it's just one indian having a shitstorm over the topic
well how about that

>>105611066
not OP, but why would you tinkertroon with software if having a sound card with audio cable just werks? and well, the card can really improve the sound quality, unlike software itself.

>>105611025
usb has a latency of around 0.125ms
moving two inches away from the speakers will create a larger latency than that due to the speed of sound

>>105610917 (OP)
I just route everything to a hi-fi system

>>105611066
Is there anyway to stop it from auto switching when something is turned off? Or maybe make it auto switch back?

>>105613277
or you can buy the shit i mentioned and use the receiver's dac. you're fucking clueless.
also you dont buy mobos because of their sound solutions. who the fuck does that?

>>105615253
Pipewire literally just werks on all of my computers and i've had many distros installed. Arch, Debian, Mint and Parabola with OpenRC. No need to fall for a 100$ audiophool meme

>>105615617
A receiver, sub, and speakers aren't going to improve a low-quality signal.

Imagine not vacuum audio on your motherboard.

>>105613606
which amplifier did you buy what do you recommend?

>>105616440
It doesn't really matter. Try to get something with Class A outputs though.

>>105610917 (OP)
>Macs have had this feature since 10.1 to current day.
When do you stream your suicide?

I have a 7.1 PCI card occupying the sole old school PCI slot on my motherboard. I bought it to drive the 7.1 headphones I used to use as my main ones. It sounds fine. The on-board 5.1 sound card sounds fine too. So does the MOTU audio interface I have hooked over USB 2.0 that drives my DT990 Pros and serves as mic/guitar input.

I used to be an audiophile myself. But then I turned 12 years old. My PCI card is unshielded and sits a few inches away from 8 HDDs constantly spinning and doing there thing. Oh and there is a massive GPU above it along with 4 or 5 other PCIe cards occupying lanes and space in the case. It's pretty much the worse case for a sound card and it sounds fine no matter what I drive with it. I like having multiple line-in and mic ports. It's comfy.

All this shit cost like $120 I think. Most of that the audio interface. The PCI card was like $20. It's a vast improvement over the on-board audio. Which while not totally horrible is a noticeable step down in quality. I would have driven my DT990s with it if it could put out enough power but I got the 250ohm headphones so I was going to need an amp anyway. I've used it to drive studio monitors with another cheap amp I had laying around and guess what. It sounded fine then too.

I need to start selling pro audio hardware. People will lap up any kind of snake oil when it comes to a/v audio. So easy to get the average consumer to pay hundreds of dollars for a $2 piece of trash in a fancy case.

>>105611808

I kinda want one of these. Been using the onboard audio in my T7910 for a few years. If there's better audio quality to be had, then I'm game.

>>105616460
>Try to get something with Class A outputs though.
>class A for desktop
You fucking retard

>>105616499
>I have a 7.1 PCI card occupying the sole old school PCI slot on my motherboard. I bought it to drive the 7.1 headphones I used to use as my main ones. It sounds fine. The on-board 5.1 sound card sounds fine too.
Your "7.1" headphone connects with 8 cables to your "7.1" soundcard?

>>105616748
Why not?

>>105616764
I don't think you even know what class A actually is you fucking retard. You probably think it's the equivalent of premium or good.
Never post about audio ever again

>>105616788
>I don't think you even know what class A actually is
I do.

>you fucking retard
You're the retard.

>You probably think it's the equivalent of premium or good.
Yes it is, it is the only type of amplifier that reproduces the entire wave per cycle.

>Never post about audio ever again
No you, class D will always be trash. Plus it's hard on speakers.

>mom ask to borrow my USBC Apple Dongle because she lost hers or her iPhone stopped coming with one
>okay
>come back from the trip
>where’s my dongle
>what dongle
Well after 2 years I finna lost my Apple dongle. What do y’all think of the Play 3? Both are same price shipped, and I have a ton of USBA ports while only having 1 USBC so at worst it’s a slight upgrade.

>>105616499
>I bought it to drive the 7.1 headphones I used to use as my main ones
this doesn't make any fucking sense
either the sound card has a built in virtual surround that converts 7.1 audio to 2.0 stereo which would work on any headphone, or your headphones have their own sound card built in which does the same thing on its own, which of course means that it would work on any system with any sound card (or actually no sound card at all, since it's built into the headphones)
you are very confused there pal

>>105616755
>He doesn't have 7 separate drivers in his headphones

>>105617176
>>105616755
You faggots are retarded aren't you? The headphones in question have multiple speakers in each ear cup. Do you think I'm too retarded to know when I'm short one port on a sound card?

I love how you two think you're experts at hooking up hardware you haven't even seen and I haven't even named the make+model of. Like it's hard to even figure out this audio shit in the first place.

I'm sure I'm more qualified to give an opinion about audio hardware than both of you considering its been my job for 25 years now to work with both it and video production.

Why is modern /g/ so fucking retarded?

>>105610917 (OP)
Having multiple audio outputs is useful because they can all be equalized separately with EQAPO or Camilla. That said motherboard audio varies and sometimes is fine. I had no complaints with my Asrock's. Sounds good to me and Rightmark measurements look good with 100db signal to noise ratio. My mom has a Dell and her speakers audibly hiss when she moves her mouse. Funny thing is I'm pretty sure they have the exact same Realtek chip in them and Dell is just trying as hard as they possibly can to make a shitty computer.
I would encourage you to do some basic loopback measurements and see if there are actually audible differences between your motherboard and sound card. There could be real differences, or it could be all in your head.
Different output voltages can cause different volume levels and impedance can sometimes affect frequency response with headphones - all things to be careful of when comparing equipment.
>>105611508
>>105611622
There are some shitty computers where the noise floor is obviously audible. There's a difference between someone misjudging sound quality and them simply lying about hearing noises.
A lot of people are right to buy a new audio device but wrong to spend way too much on something that is suboptimal or scammy.

>>105611025
USB is the best digital connect for PC audio. IF you only need 2 channels then TOSLINK is also good, arguably better since there will certainly be no grounding issues.

>>105611851
if you go on the /bst/ threads you'll see most of them are retards with $100-400 usb dacs on their desks.

>>105612551
I hate to tell you this but your "soundcard" probably IS doing that in software (for most of them it's just a dac and the driver does all the processing).

>>105612612
You can get EAX and Directsound3D working on modern systems with Alchemy Universal or DSOAL software. I recently played Flatout with that, it was great.

>>105611066
>pipewire
even standalone ALSA does this shit automatically
the absolute state of windowns...

>>105617268
...this must be bait

>>105610945
Enjoy your generation loss. Also PipeWire and JACK exist.
>>105610993
>>105611025
Find me a PCIe sound card with XLR inputs and phantom power.

A huge % of people saying their motherboard audio sounds bad are plugging headphones with nonlinear impedance into the high impedance line out, or insensitive headphones that the line out cannot drive loud enough. And yeah, getting a an amp or dac-amp IS a solution to that. But it leads to an idea that the motherboard line out was bad, when really it was just a typical line out meant for an amplifier and not headphones.
Regardless of noise performance, which differs with each motherboard model, the low impedance amp output, NOT the DAC, is what made the difference in FREQUENCY RESPONSE.
Some motherboards actually do have a low impedance front output that sounds better with headphones.
It can make a lot of sense to spend between $10 and $60 on a dac or dacamp depending on what headphones you have. Any more is getting to be wasteful unless you have Dan Clarks.
However, just because your line out sounded bad with one set headphones, it may be okay with another set that has more linear impedance or higher sensitivity. And it is ABSOLUTELY fine to use with an amplifier for any speakers or headphones.
The only exception is if the noise floor is audible or you're getting unwanted noises from EMI. In that case, just get a jcally jm12 or similar dongle dac or optical cable or HDMI to plug into your receiver.
I run my home theater system with motherboard audio into an early 2000s AVR with 5.1 analog inputs. A lot of my friends have told me (unprompted, I wouldn't ask) that it sounds great. They would never guess it's plugged into a 9 year old PC motherboard.

>>105617587
I have a friend who has some truly quadraphonic headphones from the 1970s. I didn't get to listen to them though. He's a collector and had nothing to connect them to.

>>105617587

chat, they really did make headphones with multiple speakers in each earcup for "surround sound" purposes. it's true. they existed. for some reason. absolute brutal retard gen xer core type of product to still have.

>>105610917 (OP)
I do wonder why there’s still a market for sound cards if they’re really as obsolete as a lot of people say, whereas with physicis cards you can see they’re completely dead.

>>105617690
I think there is a perception of having ASIO drivers, lower latency, and a lot of extra features spdif in/out. All of these things can be done on USB but most USB devices don't have the overall package in one unit.

I want to DJ but builtin sound cards with enough ports reserved to expensive motherboards. Might as well get a soundcard

>>105617715
You may not have to buy anything. Many desktops can actually do 5.1 channel output even if they only have the three jacks that are normally for speaker, line in, mic in. By changing the speaker setup to 5.1 in control panel it changes the pink and blue jacks to be additional line outs. This also works to turn pcs with 5.1 output + mic in into 7.1 output. I learned this from my motherboard manual years ago.
I thought a lot of DJs are using laptops. I do not know about their quality but there are some true 7.1 channel USB sound cards on Amazon made by Cubilux that cost $30. Might be worth a try.

>>105617587
I guess the multiple drivers I can see through the clear ear cups don't really exist. The fact that two drivers in each cup didn't work without the extra output was in my mind as well. So are the splitters that pass the signal through to a 7.1 surround sound set-up on my stereo.

You guys are real experts. Being able to judge my setup with 3 soundcards from across the internet. It's a real shame I didn't consult you before spending $20 to properly drive the headphones I got for free because the company that made them wanted me to demo them.

>>105617268
How you determine distance and direction is due to the volume differences and timing between ears. Your ears are pretty 1 dimensional in terms of their physical input: They just listen to waves vribrating. Your brain does most of the post processing.

7.1 surround speakers are ok at replicating distance and direction, but they really aren't as good as headphones since they can provide far more precise volume and timing to each ear to replicate exactly how far and the direction of what you're hearing.

7.1 surround headphones don't do anything special. They are still inputting to each ear individually, not them combined like a speaker. They can reduce the quality of what you're listening to in fact because whatever software you're using will produce sound for what it thinks are speakers and not headphones.

>>105617947
I understand they're shit. That doesn't change the fact that these needs 7.1 inputs to drive them. Or the fact that I got them for free. Or the fact that I own proper studio headphones hooked up to another soundcard that are stereo+open back.

Also you can talk all the shit about those 7.1 headphones that you want. They do have one good application: Playing video games that support them. Usually FPS games. Which is kind of the entire reason why I was given them for free in the first place. It sounds like shit. But you can hear the shit from half a map away through 20 walls. The only downside is they're heavy as fuck and hurt your ears after 15 minutes.

Muh audiophiles will argue about anything.

>>105617969
>But you can hear the shit from half a map away through 20 walls. The only downside is they're heavy as fuck and hurt your ears after 15 minutes.
The headphones being 7.1 instead of just stereo does not have an effect on this. 3 speakers in each ear do not sound any different than 1.

>>105617989
God fucking damn it. Again. You don't know. You don't own them. You didn't review them. You didn't compare them to 10 other models of headphones both stereo, 5.1, 7.1 or otherwise. You weren't paid to demo them. You didn't test them on a variety of soundcards and settings. You DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

We've gone from
>such headphones don't exist
to
>those headphones don't do anything
to
>well actually they do but they don't make any difference
I agree with you that they're shit. It's a stupid thing to put so many drivers in one ear cup. They're heavy. They sound like shit. They suck for music. But the one thing they are good at is allowing you to tune each driver to the point where the game sounds like shit but you can hear footsteps and the direction/distance of those footsteps. Since the in question outputs true 7.1 sound, through a 7.1 soundcard, to headphones that are driving each speaker individually without any stereo surround sound tricks. You'd know if you had the hardware. But you don't. You're parroting bullshit you read on the internet. Like most audiophile on the internet.

Just shut the fuck up and take the L

>>105618018
IDK, being able to hear footsteps can be done with any stereo headphones and SVM. Now they have more advanced shit like "Scout Mode".

>>105617947
I have been playing fps games with my 5.2 speaker system (by myself) and iems+hrtf (when in voice chat). I think the binaural 3D sound these days is fairly good, but I get a better sense of 3D awareness when using the speakers.
My pc speakers are probably set up for this better than most home theater or computer speaker systems though. I have tower speakers surrounding my desk equidistantly, at the proper angles, all pointed directly at my head and ear level.
I don't think there is any difference in precision. The IEMs may be better in having no crosstalk or room reflections, but with the speakers I can better feel where certain sounds are coming from especially if they have a lot of low frequency, and they obviously don't move when I move my head. You would need 3D head tracking integrated into the software for the sound field to be properly positioned relative to your head when using headphones.
There is effort and expense to set up and calibrate a speaker system, but I do think it's quite worth it.

audiophiles will truly believe any garbage that justifies their purchase, no matter how petty and cheap the equipment in question actually is

>>105618116
the human ear can't hear above 2khz...

>>105616247
>that incredible lensflare

>>105611292
>the amount of interference inside a computer case has been significantly reduced thanks to the deprecation of Hard Discs
fucking lol
No, the interference is not "reduced" when your CPU pulls like 100-200A+ supplied by switching converters that are fed 12V at tens of amps over long, unshielded cables. Definitely not when you also have a graphics card with a GPU that does literally the same thing except at 200-500A+ and is still fed 12V over long, unshielded cables. The inside of a modern PC is an EMI hellscape.

>>105610917 (OP)
the only sound card I want wont fit in my pcie slot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4ZOE5pAdCI

>>105610917 (OP)
The only thing I hate about sound cards is that plugging your headphones into it is dangerous.
>accidentally hit the wire
>makes the card shake or move in its socket
>entire pc craps itself and blasts an ear-piercing noise through your headphones, potentially breaking it (and your ears)

>>105610917 (OP)
PC sound cards are overpriced crap:
1. They sound like shit and cost MORE than used Yamaha recievers
2. They lack standard hifi interfaces like rca, 6.3 Jack, xlr
3. They need drivers. Nuff said
4. They're using PCI power which is worse than external power supply

>>105618250
Stop telling people about the used Yamaha receivers or they'll stop costing 20 bucks

Imma be real with you, I just bought an Audeze balls in yo mouth (Maxwell) and it replaced my DT990s and Schiit DAC/AMP
Sometimes all you really need is an uncompressed wireless dongle and some really good planar drivers.
Autism is dangerous, don't let audiophile memes pollute your checkout cart.
I wouldn't personally recommend the Audeze because the side channel shit is crap, but everything else is good

>>105611066
I agree. Pipewire is so much better than whatever shitty proprietary malware called Creative control panel. I connect my receiver with spdif and have to switch between pcm/dts and it so much fucking easier than doing it on windows and it won't fuck up your running applications
>>105615253
Because it just works are proprietary Creative shit doesn't you retarded nigger?

>>105610917 (OP)
Topping DX3 Pro+
https://audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/topping-dx3-pro-review-dac-headphone-amp.27148/

>>105618265
They aren't that cheap where I live.

>>105618177
I started up a high end game that taxes my CPU and GPU, and did not hear any noise with the headphones plugged in. I did the plug and unplug, repeatedly, with the game muted, but couldn't hear any noise.

>>105618018
>outputs true 7.1 sound, through a 7.1 soundcard, to headphones that are driving each speaker individually
This has to be bait, I refuse to believe that anyone is this stupid...
In the unlikely scenario where I'm the retard, can you post a picture of your headphones' audio jack and their model?

>>105618295
>Maxwell
Worst purchase of my life, up there with the Plantronix piece of shit that I bought around the same time.
I hope the /hpg/ faggots who shilled me the Maxwell killed themselves.
>(100dB)
>POWER ON
>BLUETOOTH
>EQ
>VOLUME MINIMUM
>VOLUME MINIMUM
>(loudest button click ever produced by chinks/)
>POWER OFF

>>105610917 (OP)
I will never need anything more than this.

>>105611025
Anon is on a path now, say your goodbyes

>>105611725
>kekw
go back to twitch nigger

>>105611025
This is bait.

>>105617609
>pipewire and jack
I use windows 7 since I am not a tranny though.

>>105617440
>A lot of people are right to buy a new audio device but wrong to spend way too much on something that is suboptimal or scammy.
The AG03 is hands down the best £100 I ever spent on tech. Not only did it noticeably improve the sound quality, it also gave me all these handy ports and knobs. The only features that I've never used are the FX buttons and the footswitch port.

my senheiser hd598 is dying and I don't think they sell them anymore. What's an equivalent replacement for it?

>>105619973
>The only features that I've never used are the FX buttons and the footswitch port.
Okay, I also never needed the phantom power. But it's still cool that it has it, in case I decide to get a condenser one day.

>>105611532
>I don't see how its worth sacrificing a precious pcie slot or usb interface when optical exists
this but for A SINGLE FUCKING STORAGE DEVICE HELLOOOOOOOO
HELLOOOOO ANYONE IN THERE
NO
PLOT'S VACANT IS IT SEEMS SOOOOO

Absolutely pathetic state of affairs we're in nowadays.

>>105619973
fwiw, as much as I still love a real sound card, Yamaha's mixers and audio interfaces can be pretty decent too if you can't be bothered having a larger amplifier or A/V receiver taking toslink.

>>105620306
i'm dreaming to have some kind of smol 2 channel amp with passive speakers one day

>fwiw
FUHHWIIWW!

i got a sound card (Soundblaster ae5 plus) with my recent build and its given me no fucking end of issues. I went for it because the speakers i have are analogue, and it doesnt seem like modern mobos really support that

seriously though, the drivers for this soundcard literally always have something wrong with them, not loading, causing bsod, crashes, whine, fucking always something.

is there a good solution for an external sound card or something modern that accepts analogue input or should i just get new speakers? (Logitech z906 5.1 currently, and i DO like them)

>>105620379
>the speakers i have are analogue, and it doesnt seem like modern mobos really support that
...u wot?

>>105611025
>MORE IS ALWAYS BETTER!!!!!
not in this case bro

>>105620386
sorry im being a mong
like 5.1 setup with green/orange/black cables with 3.5 connections, my mobo doesnt seem to have ports for those, it seems to want optical and only has 2 audio jacks where i'd need 3.

>buy modern headphones
>connect usb-c
>completely lossless digital stream
>headphone dac is optimized for these exact headphones
>no dac-adc-dac nonsense
>skip 5 seconds back and forth to switch audio device in youtube cause i'm not inbred like op
>song skipping gestures work in foobar
>phone can take control of headphones via bt any time
>no lag cause i'm not poor
Sound cards are useless with modern equipment in this day and age.

>>105620034
Aren't they called HD599 now? Also try the 560S for an open-back experience (just return them if you don't like it lol)

>>105611530
If you get gud enough you can reconstruct the flame graph for each frame from the timbre of the waveform alone
subscribe for more pro /gedg/ strats

>>105616889
>>what dongle
rip

Where do I get the US Apple dongle as a europoor?

>>105611025
you don't need 4GB/s for audio stupid

>>105617812
Post your setup + exact model of each product please

>>105618018
>I agree with you that they're shit. It's a stupid thing to put so many drivers in one ear cup. They're heavy. They sound like shit. They suck for music. But the one thing they are good at is allowing you to tune each driver to the point where the game sounds like shit but you can hear footsteps and the direction/distance of those footsteps. Since the in question outputs true 7.1 sound, through a 7.1 soundcard, to headphones that are driving each speaker individually without any stereo surround sound tricks. You'd know if you had the hardware. But you don't. You're parroting bullshit you read on the internet. Like most audiophile on the internet.
So we are going back to the initial reply >>105616755

Your "7.1" headphone connects with 8 cables to your "7.1" soundcard?

>>105610917 (OP)
DAC for headphones and microphone, and internal soundcard for my 5.1. Feels comfy

>>105618265
Tell me about Yamaha receivers that cost 20 bucks

>>105619973
Dude that's a mixer

>>105620379
Your logitech speakers are garbage and you're a retard for buying a sound card.
Throw both of them away and get a decent 2.0 or 2.1 speaker setup. Also a USB UAC2 compatible DAC+AMP if you use headphones.

>>105619973
I have a similar minimixer. It was useful when I had a quadcore and used my phone as a second screen for videos. Also if you want a second set of headphones.

>>105620851
Yes. But it's also a USB sound card. And an audio interface. I don't think it really matters what you call it.

>>105620446
>headphone dac is optimized for these exact headphones
this literally means "they tuned the headphone by using a DSP instead of actually making good drivers, therefore lowering manufacturing cost while charging you more"
...it's not really a good thing to brag about lmao

>>105617609
>Find me a PCIe sound card with XLR inputs and phantom power
Sound Blaster AE-9

>>105617587
>could I be wrong about something?
>noooooooooooooo the other guy is BAITING and TROLLING and I'm never wrooooooooooooong!
retard

>>105618250
Amazing, everything you said is wrong.

>>105620379
Do some basic troubleshooting. You probably installed poor drivers and never updated.

>>105620863
>noooo buy this usb dick instead
Stop giving bad advice.

>>105621458
>>105621420
>>105621374
>>105621139
Funny how soundcard faggots have not one single argument

>>105621494
How is providing an XLR card when asked "not an argument?"

>>105611025
MUST. NOT. REPLY. TO...... BAIT.

>>105620379
I just got that sound card a few days ago and it works amazing on Windows 11. Zero issues. It was a used one from eBay, too.

>>105618250
>4. They're using PCI power which is worse than external power supply
Enjoy your ground loop static!

>>105611025
I too love my multiple gigabit large audio data streams.

Non audiophiles are missing out

>>105621494
>ignore arguments
>claim someone is baiting when he proves you wrong
>lump in replies that have nothing to do with your discussion in the first place
>hurr durr
DACfags, I swear.

>>105621747
You know that in your shitty sound card dwells, dare I say it, a DAC

>>105621769
>claim sound cards are shitty because of <specific reason>
>test that <specific reason>
>isn't actually true

what usb dac should I buy?

>>105621509
Because you were answering a question and not making a case for something when you did that.

>>105621871
I wasn't attempting to make a case, I was merely answering a damned question.

>>105621826
My friend gifted me some focusrite thing and I guess it’s good, definitely makes my speakers capable of being louder than before if nothing else.

>>105621875
That’s probably why you got accused of not having an argument, then. You weren’t arguing.

>>105620379
>I went for it because the speakers i have are analogue
What the fuck

>>105617704
Which ones do?

>>105621747
>when he proves you wrong
that never happened

>>105620379
>I went for it because the speakers i have are analogue
All speakers are analog you fucking retard

>>105622051
>nooo the audio engineer guy doesn't have real 7.1 surround sound headphones because I say sooooooo

>>105622288
>I'm engineeering
lmao

>>105621973
And more importantly are the ones that do worth it?

>>105615617
you, apparently

>>105620423
just get an old receiver and use optical out if your motherboard has that

>>105619102
but you didn't complain about the audio quality

>>105617704
That's until you actually want to play VST synths live with effects and your USB audio latency has to go to 100ms or something in order to not get crackles.
On PCIe audio cards I've had under 1ms latency when running high sample rates

>>105619973
This one is definitely acceptable because miku micute. Taishi and Camellia ft. Hatsune Miku are who inspired me to upgrade my speakers and become a bit of an audiophile later in life.

>>105611041
Software can only switch between one speaker outlet and usb audio devices. The only way to switch between wired (audio jack not usb) headphones and speakers is to unplug them. Its not software. The audio signal is wired like that on the motherboard.

I could see wanting that if you had speakers and a nice set of wired headphones.

>>105624479
Damn dude you NEED to get laid.

>>105624558
My first gf I got by cosplaying Len and she was cosplaying Rin. Nerds get laid all the time but that won't stop them being cringe to normalfags like yourself.

>>105624550
I can switch between realtek headphones and speaker output when both are plugged in on my win10 PC. And also the spdif. All 3 are considered separate devices. I've never had a laptop that could do that though.

>>105621973
All those features are typical of usb pro audio interfaces. They have the same downside as pci cards - specific drivers can cause them to become outdated while cheaper consumer USB HID-class devices continue working indefinitely.

>>105624576
Transbians don't count as girlfriends.

>>105624550
I can switch with a single button click. Both are wired using a 3.5mm stereo jack.

>>105624621
I'm sorry that I tried to communicate with you. Your tranny obsession is 100x more cringe than my interest in Vocaloid.

>>105613300
>Idk if thats ever been proven out.
It has.
In the 1800's mathematician Jean-Baptiste Joseph Fourier proved that all waves are a sum of sine waves.
Sound is made of waves so it's a sum of sine waves.
And it's easy enough to test which sine waves humans can and cannot hear.

>>105620826
I have 3 of them. All 5.1 and 7.1 receivers in the RX-xxx range. One I got online for $25 including shipping. I did have to spend a couple weeks checking every day until I found a good deal. Another I got for $20 at a garage sale, and the third from a thrift store for $15. You've got to keep an eye out for them and to go sites or places where you'll find them. That does have a time cost so it may be easier to just buy one for $50 and be done with it.
The HDMI 7.1 one powers my PC speakers, older one serves as my sub amp. 4 amp channels for to dual 4ohm voice coil drivers!
I've also tried other brands like onkyo, sony, denon etc. Denons tend to be good but overpriced. Onkyos in this price range are unreliable, all mine broke. Sonys are reliable but the amps are weak on the common cheap models you find. Yamaha is the bets cheap brand.
For computer use you may want to try one with analog line input so you can get proper 6 or 8 channel pcm output without having to deal with the inconvenience can comes with HDMI. I'm using HDMI on one but only because I can clone my desktop between my 1080p secondary monitor and the AVR. If I only had my 1440P main monitor it would be a problem. You can't use HDMI audio without sending a video signal so I'd have an extra monitor to the side of my screen that I can't actually see!
These old AVRs are good for PC use as long as they have decent amps, they can be used for surround sound and/or active crossover. You just need analog or hdmi pcm output (or toslink if you only want stereo).
You can use cheap old receivers with PC because every new feature other than Atmos/DTSX is completely irrelevant. Display format support? Doesn't matter, you plug in your monitor separately. Audio codec? Your PC will decode anything, so it's ok to use a pre-Dolby Digital receiver with PC in 2025. Equalization and mixing? Your PC can put modern AVRs to shame.
Don't go buying up more than you need though. I may have 3 but they're all in use.

>>105610993
>dude it totally makes a difference if your soundcard goes usb>pcie>cpu vs pcie>cpu
So this is that profound mental retardation I've heard so much about.

>>105610917 (OP)
I've been a proponent of sound cards returning for a while
I really think motherboards should be stripped down to their basics and anything they do "to make the experience easier/better" should be ripped away

>>105618091
>I think the binaural 3D sound these days is fairly good, but I get a better sense of 3D awareness when using the speakers.
For me it's the exact opposite.
Especially with open back headphones.
Closed back headphones also give me better 3D sound than 5.1 speakers do but they sound somewhat internal.

With my open backs I've even ran into a situation where I though my neighbor was banging on my wall but it was just some binaural audio in an Internet Historian video I was watching.
I literally could not tell if the sound was coming from outside or from my headphones.

>>105624904
I've had instants like that with headphones, but the problem is if I move my head instinctively in response to the sound, I realize that it's moving with my headphones and the instant is broken immediately.
If low latency head tracking becomes a standard technology for computer audio and games that will really change things.

>>105624664
Not my fault you made yourself so visible.

>>105624894
I prefer a full featured motherboard because any extra PCIe card would block airflow to my graphics card.
Plus current chipsets don't have that many PCIe lanes so it's a bit wasteful using one or even four on audio. (but then they really should just add more lanes).

>>105624958
A couple years ago there were some micro motherboards made with no audio, but a dongle dac was included in the box because customers expect it (moreso than wifi and bluetooth apparently).

What else am I supposed to put in my empty PCIe slots on my motherboard?

>>105624921
Do you use a large TV for gaming?
When I use a normal monitor I don't think I move my head.

I only use a TV for flight sims.
I use a Tobii eye/head tracker to move the camera when I move my head, which works surprisingly well but then the action isn't that fast in flight sims.

>>105625035
No, I use a 27", but the slightest head movement is what makes all the difference. It is by comparing the sound from very slightly different positions that your brain builds a 3D sound field around you.
I think I might move less if I had an appropriately sized tv and was laying down. When sitting straight up to play FPS, leaning in and out a bit or moving the mouse around a lot, I think it causes enough head movement to have noticeable effects with the audio.

>>105623204
Sound quality is... there?
I mean, they do reproduce highs crystal clear, which is something I have never experienced before, but the fucking 90db power button click drives me nuts.
Almost forgot: the microphone mute toggle. People at the other end of the office turn their heads when I mute the damn thing since it sounds like slamming a steel door.

>300 posts in a thread
>not a single recommendation neither from pcie fags not usb fags
jannie should nuke this shit

>>105610945
You shouldn't be using Audacity.

>>105611013
Incorrect.

>>105611060
You have broken a rule.

>>105611488
Incorrect.

>>105611637
lol

>>105610917 (OP)
I use hdmi audio, am I cooked?

>>105625276
RME , Marion, Lynx
done, now move on

>>105625276
any cx31993 or alc5686 or whatever <10$ dongle you can find on aliexpress

>>105625536
that means you are using your monitor's built in dac
and those are usually shit, depends on your monitor.

>>105625281
>You shouldn't be using Audacity
let me guess... audacity is evil spyware now and I am supposted to use some freedom-respecting commiepedotroonware, am I right?

>>105625638
>i-if it's not spying on me it's trans!
Is this REALLY the BEST you can do? You're brown.

>>105625638
Hey shit for brains: why don't you tell me?

>>105625636
>that means you are using your monitor's built in dac
No it doesn't you fucking retard. Do you think the HDMI cable sends analog signals?
Holy fuck this thread

>>105625638
>>105625674
Check it out, cockmouth!

>>105625644
why should I change it if it works? I have audacity on my main pc and tenacity on my older laptop with windows 7, and they are both doing fine.
>brown
I am literally european

>>105625699
lol, you're not a real person. You are not alive.

>>105625674
>gathering some random unimportant telemetry data about users is spyware now
lmfao
>>105625708
So who am I ? Borg from star trek?

>>105625632
but thats usb c

>>105625464
why should I tinker with software if sound card works then?

>>105625674
>data necessary for law enforcement
>collect data
>so you can give it to the feds

lmao imagine using this cuckshit spyware

>>105625677
???
yeah exactly, since hdmi carries a digital signal, the monitor is in charge of the analog conversion
what the fuck is your problem

>>105625754
usb-c to usb-a adapters exist retard

>>105625924
think about it real hard again

>>105625924
kek

i got a cheap 4 channel amp and if the audio of a show or song has a "quiet part" the amp goes into power saving mode and shuts off all audio, and doesnt come back until the signal is strong enough. what do i do

>>105625536
>>105625636
>>105625677
>>105625924
>>105625996
>>105626023
How do you turn Digital Audio into sound with a DAC?

>>105626108
...a dac literally turns digital audio into analog sound, yes, that's what it does...
I'm so fucking confused at this point, are you a mentally ill retard that samefagged like 3 posts straight or something?

the onboard sound card in my pc outpaces my actual listening device (headphones) for quality thoughbeit

>>105625536
everyone is trying to troll you but unironically no. I used a shitty TV as a monitor for a while, and just to reduce cable runs used its audio output to headphones. it sounded identical to just plugging them into the computer directly.

however, that was a proper tv meant for watching movies n sheeeit. a shitty computer monitor probably isn't as good. and i can say from experience that thos shitty StarTech (and their knockoffs) hdmi to vga/dvi converters with an audio jack are fucktrocious

>>105626108
Using delta-sigma modulation.

>>105626108
>how do I drive screws with a screwdriver?

>>105617609
cry about it

>>105626658
>comparing the headphone out to the HDMI out

>>105626658
>everyone is trying to troll you
I already gave him a proper reply (>>105625636) which is very similar to yours but that's when people started trolling
>>105627075
see... I'm confused
what the fuck do these guys mean, hdmi headphones don't exist of course, it's clear that the guy meant using the monitor/tv headphone out passing the audio through hdmi, what the fuck do you mean by this?

>>105611025
And if you have the card inside your computer case there will be more EMI.
I use SPDIF
>inb4 conversion losses

>>105620958
I need a mixer AND an usb interface so I can play my sound machines (2) AND send the sound into my computer.
Will this do all that without needing two separate things?

>>105610917 (OP)
>can now switch between headphones and speakers with a single click of the button
god i need this so badly surely there is a way to do this on windows without buying a sound card?

I'm looking at using a proper analog mixer for a dual PC setup (for stupid autistic reasons I can't be fucked going into), I should be all good to go provided I use the proper adaptors and cables for plug size, mono/stereo and TS/TRS, and shouldn't have to worry too much about balanced/unbalanced audio when my cables will probably be 5 metres at max, right?
I've spent a few days learning more than I'd ever like to about audio cables and mixers, but I'm planning on spending a fair chunk of change, so it's hard to actually make that purchase without an outside confirmation

>>105627585
I've used AudioSwitcher which lets you set individual keybinds for each output device. Not exactly a single button toggle, but it's pretty close.

>>105627617
thanks anon, wish this was part of windows powertoys

>>105627627
I'd meant to look more into powertoys a while back and forgot all about it, so thanks in return.

>>105610917 (OP)
Sound cards were phased out because working with Creative was a pain in the ass, as expected of their awful track record.
>Creative patent trolls Aureal to fuck with them
>Gets countersued and loses, but since Aureal can't afford the legal fees they still go bankrupt
>Creative acquires the rights to Aureal's patents

>>105611013
>>105610917 (OP)
Are there any motherboards who do the trick though? It has to be some kind of priority thing.
Also do I need an expensive sound card or does a cheap one do the trick? I usually hear a faint noise from my PC audio which drives me nuts.

>>105625536
It's a digital signal. The quality depends on what you plugged it into. Could be very bad with a shitty tv or very good with a nice amp and speakers.

>>105627273
If you just want to listen to some analog source on your computer and aren't concerned about making a professional quality recording, that's what the line-in jack is for.

>>105628631
1. There are motherboards with decent quality audio. I wouldn't pay significantly more for one because
2. If you only want stereo line level output get a jcally jm12 for 10 bucks and it be great.

>>105627273
Yes. It will also play sound from your computer and optionally mix it down with whatever you're recording. But keep in mind the AG03 only has 1 stereo input, AG06 has more.

Why would I buy a sound card when I can buy a dac in a fancy box that costs 1000$?

>>105611179

Try this…plug an aux cord or device (like speakers or headphones) into the back of the PC where the line in jack is. That jack needs to be active for stereo mix to work.

I had the same issue with my ASUS Z790 board because it has 384hz/32bit “gamer USB audio” onboard that is separate from the traditional onboard audio.

>>105624576
holy based

>>105629721
What is the purpose of stereo mix anymore? There are APIs for getting audio from applications or from the whole desktop mix or loopback from any device. My system doesn't have it and I've never missed it.

>>105617609
>PipeWire
no thanks

>>105615253
>>105610945
>>105625784
quit being such a noob
>right clicks on document
>only homosexuals and crossdressers change settings on a computer reeeee
Guess what, by plugging a cable into your fancy sound card you've also "tinkertrooned" with it, you anti-intellectual niggerfaggot.

>>105611808
Do sound cards still give you better sounding midi playback? That was the real bonus for me back in the day.

so whats the thread veredict, pcie sound cards should be considered before DACs if the price is good? are they the same and you wouldnt notice a difference?

>>105612430
All of the chink shit dongles i tried had less bass and a faint "eeeeeeee" noise on the headphone output, and the left channel sounded weirdly different from the right channel. They also had no line-in, only microphone-in, rendering it useless for my music work. What chink dongles have you been using that don't suffer these issues? Let me know because i would love to have one that actually works

>>105627170
>it's clear that the guy meant using the monitor/tv headphone out passing the audio through hdmi,
No such thing. If you use some kind of HDMI to 3.5 audio jack "adapter" it just means that there is a DAC inside.

>>105630028
The verdict is that sound cards are garbage.
Use your mainboard audio or a USB UAC2 compatible DAC+AMP if you need more for your headphoness.

>>105629279
Didn't even think about this, I will test it out. My idea was pairing it with a tracker on the pc to play some samples on top of my sounds and basically to record the sessions. Still have to figure the whole midi master/ slave thing
>>105629413
Do you need any driver? I am using ALSA sound

>>105630690
>Do you need any driver?
on Windows, yes.
on Linux, it has always just worked for me.

>>105630748
Thanks mate next time I do a banger I'll remember you

>>105626122
>>105626815
>>105626819
I obviously meant "without a DAC". 4channel doesn't have an edit button.

>>105630028
The only complaint in this thread about PCI soundcards is that there is interference, but that has been proven wrong because people with soundcards have run tests and found no interference.

>>105629933
>only homosexuals and crossdressers change settings on a computer reeee
this but unironically

This thread is peak nu-/g/, holy shit.

>>105631734
I mean really, the more you tinker with software, the more likely it is that you will turn into a tranny. Thats why hardware-based solutions are easier and will not make you question your sex. Sure, you can tinkertroon with audio interfaces but why do so if you can solve the problem with cheap audio cable? Sure, you can tinkertroon with screen recording software but why if you can just use capture card?

>>105631818
>thread actually discussing technology (however badly) hits bump limit
>le new gee omg wtf
kys

>>105630039
>What chink dongles have you been using that don't suffer these issues?
like... any of them?
maybe go for an apple dongle then, it might cure your placebo effect that makes you hear such noises

>>105630300
>No such thing.
what the fuck do you mean no such thing? basically all monitors and tvs have an headphone out that will get you sound through hdmi, again, is this some sort of very dumb trolling or what?

>>105631558
well... with the DAC that is present inside the monitor/tv?
even with that correction your question doesn't make any fucking sense

>>105632195
and besides... speakers also exist you know
how the fuck do you think the speakers on your tv play audio from an hdmi source when there's no dedicated audio cable? black magic?
this is absurd, why is "hdmi audio is digital pcm which gets converted to analog with the tv/monitor's dac" such a controversial take in this thread? again, I seriously hope it's some very bad attempt at trolling

>>105632195
>>105632232
What the fuck are you even saying.
If you use the headphone or line out on your monitor, you will use the built in DAC. There is no HDMI in that scenario you fucking retard.

If you use HDMI to get the audio out, you will need a separate DAC. the monitor's DAC is irrelevant here. Stop replying you fucking imbecile.

>>105632232
i think the original poster was saying that comparing analogue 3.5 output to hdmi audio output is dumb, because one is analogue while the other is digital.