Have Ada Lovelace and Grace Hopper done as much as they've claimed, or been alleged to have done? I'm so tired of this narrative. In my STEM uni the amphitheaters are named after either women or homosexuals.
>Alan Turing
>Ada Lovelace
>Marie Curie
so on and so forth

>Ada Lovelace
lol.. lmao
>Grace Hopper
this one is true

>>105617206
>Grace Hopper
Okay good to have confirmation
>Ada Lovelace
What did she do? What didn't she do? I've hear that she's a spoiled aristocrat tart that was heaped with praise for doing little to nothing. But I want my questions answered.

I need answers

>>105617181 (OP)
hopper is legit and was an early pioneer in computers(alongside a bunch of men). babbage made a mechanical adder, not a computer. i think the amount of biological women who pushed the field of computation can be counted on only two hands.

>>105617282
>Ada Lovelace
Sucked Babbage's cock and published his notes as hers. Typical woman shit.

>>105618007
Evidence? I don't doubt it but substantiated claims are much more powerful.

>>105617282
You misread, retard. Grace Hopper was a legitimate pioneer in CS. All Ada Lovelace did was come up with an extremely simple program for a conceptual computer that didn't actually exist.

>>105618042
Lovelace's achievement was understanding Babbage's design enough to program some (relatively-simple-by-modern-standards) programs and writing non-technical writeups that are actually the best (yet still incomplete) sources to understand the analytical engine because Babbage was famously obtuse and his notes barely even begin on the subject, and according to Babbage himself, she was very practically proficient in mathematics, but she was no mathematical pioneer.

For an aristocratic woman of that era with no formal education in mathematics, understanding so much of it and then understanding a yet non-existent concept (I remember how big of a revelation understanding how cpus work at the gate level was for me years ago when I was studying the 6502, and I had been programming for a while before that.) is actually pretty impressive, even if she were no pioneer or among the smartest of her era.

Both the criticism and flaunting praise for Ada is in bad faith. What she did was impressive, but not in the class of mathematical legends of her era or of Babbage or Neumann. For all the criticism, wait until these people actually read the shit the much fellated greek philosphers of yore wrote. Different times have different standards.

>>105617181 (OP)
Also Alan Turing, Marie Curie, Grace Hopper and Emmy Noether all deserve their reputation fairly, although Marie's husband, Pierre Curie, who was equally as important, is unfairly sidelined.

>>105618388
At that time there was no such thing as mathematical formal education, maybe basic arithmetics in sunday schools and maybe something more advanced like 4-digit numbers for aristocracy. If you wanted education, you read articles, which is still impressive, but don't play down the work put in by the men of that time too.
Also, the fact that Babbage was not keeping notes shows that he was doing this for sate his intellectual curiosity and he does not care other do which is BASED. A woman, however, wants to flaunt her name for attention.

>>105617181 (OP)
I think grace hopper is real, but it's well known by anyone who dug beyond the propaganda that ada lovelace and turing were shams. Even wikipedia is clear on this.

>>105618076
She didn't even go that far. Her contemporaries confirm she was totally clueless at the most basic level as confirmed by her letters and it is well accepted she claimed credit for babage's work

>>105618437
Not true. Turing received both the cracking method and the computer plans from the polish. He did literally nothing. Of his other work, the only ones of relevance are co-authored with good. Good published many relevant works without him.

>>105618894
Stop being clinically retarded

>>105618388
so babbage was the theoretical maths and lovelace the practical maths that translated the former findings to the real world applications, even if it was not practical to their techs time

>>105619730
nope, ada did no such thing. That is propaganda

>>105619492
>Even wikipedia is clear on this.
Where?

>>105618894
>At that time there was no such thing as mathematical formal education
???

>>105618894
Is this bait? Most prominent mathematicians of the era had gone through formal education.

>>105619517
Turing did a lot more than that. He was a computer scientist first, not an engineer. Nobody's talking about his wartime exploits and mechanical computers.

>>105619730
No, more like Babbage was the theoretical mathematician who invented computers and the computer vendor and Lovelace learned how to program one without any background in it by reading the vendor's extremely obtuse documentation. She was more like a disciple to Babbage who successfully understood what the computer was meant to be and how to program in it, while having no idea of what a computer could be beforehand, which is impressive if you've ever had to take the journey of learning low level computers yourself without going to a college, except you can throw out all books and documentation and you also have the mathematical abilities of a modern day 8th grade student(she did get tutored for a couple years after she developed an interest in mathematics, but I doubt it was thorough at all) and also you have no computer to actually program on, just the ramblings of an old man famously obtuse about his design(that he didn't have fully sorted mechanically either) and you mainly only get to communicate through slow letters.

She was, as the 'propaganda' says, imo correctly, the first computer programmer, and that is an achievement, even if not anything as big as she's made out to be, nor a pushover either, easily smarter than 99+% of /g/.

Not to mention that she died aged 36, the age many of mathematics' greatest had only graduated and begun to understand mathematics. She spent the last decade of her life diseased and in agony, taking care of her family, and not doing any mathematics. Her exploits came in her late teens and early 20s, which was way ahead of the curve and she might actually have had a great legacy had she persisted, but no point speculating on what ifs.

>>105617181 (OP)
ada lovelace i believe translated some equations written by a man in relation to a proto-computer made by a man which was never built
marie curie i've heard the name of but don't know much about
alan turing is based

but why not some more obvious targets like Claude Shannon? not gay enough?

>>105620493
Importantly though, I will admit that aristocrats were rarely taught anything beyond arithmetic, some algebra and some geometry, but still, the option to get educated formally was open.

Also keep in mind that the state of the art mathematics at the time was calculus, nobody commonly taught or learned discrete mathematics outside of algebra, so she had to bridge some gaps filled by Neumann and others later on to be able to program, even if none of it was very complex.

>>105620512
Shannon was gay?

>>105620529
not that i'm aware of

>>105620534
Then how is he relevant. OP is asking if gay and women figures in history of mathematics, physics and computers were worth their salt.

>>105620493
ada was probably better than your average person at mathematics, but do you think information technology would have been affected by her absence?
even accepting the dubious title of "first computer programmer", how is that even remotely comparable to the achievements of the other people her name's regularly put next to?

>>105620579
IT would nor have been affected by either Babbage or Lovelace's absence. Modern computers were built independently of their work. Babbage's own designs for the analytical engine were never complete, possibly even in his mind (let alone building that mechanical behemoth and betting it'd run for more than 5 seconds before some part fails.)

It's simply a matter of "credit where it's due", nothing more. It's not Charles' or Ada's fault that their work was never noticed until it was outdated. Maybe it was an inspiration to some like Aiken, but it wasn't consequential.

Just, credit where it's due.

And I don't see how her title is dubious at all. Babbage concieved the first general computer (although the designs in his mind probably had memory limitations too) and Ada was the first one to write programs for it. That they both did it purely on paper is not relevant as far as I can see.

>>105620493
i wasnt aware she got sick and died so early
>>105620579
most of the first people of doing anything are basically useless in the real world, yet that doesnt diminishes their place in history, not to say that demonstrating that something actually is possible and actually showing it is very important for the subsecuents efforts of the field.
see the wright brothers flight for example (they were probably not really the first, nor their attempts were really useful, yet they promoted themselves, and spearheaded the aviation field)

Ada basically invented an assembly notation for a computer from the hardware spec alone, wrote a program in it, abused an opcode to simulate a missing feature (add 0 to perform a mov), recognized the need for looping and flow control that the machine was lacking, and used an unroll macro to compensate. Then wrote that we would be making music with this shit one day. You would have known this if you had bothered to read Note G before making this reddit thread.
Hopper lifted you out of the punch card tarpit and would have hanged you with one microsecond of copper wire for wasting a single cycle.
You are a faggot and you made this thread with the sole purpose of obtaining a handjob from the hivemind for your "controversial" opinion shared only by 80% of twitter zoomers like you.

As for Turing, he wasn't a confirmed fag, he had some generic "indecency" charge slapped onto him, was forced to take HRT then assassinated since he knew military secrets and was no longer needed in peacetime.
Turing's contribution was proving, on paper, that it's impossible to build the computational equivalent of a perpetual motion machine (a general halting analyzer), something that 70% of this field still fails to understand since they constantly waste their time attempting to solve the halting problem with asinine contraptions like Rust.

If you want to attack some famous figure, try (((Godel))), though the proto-lisp he constructed for the purpose of his proof is pretty solid and the only controversy is whether using inline assembly (by force-interpreting a natural number as instruction code) to prove incompleteness was a legal move in P. Nevertheless the proof is worth a read just for a tour around his language and standard library alone.

>>105618894
>Also, the fact that Babbage was not keeping notes shows that he was doing this for sate his intellectual curiosity and he does not care other do which is BASED. A woman, however, wants to flaunt her name for attention.
Completely the opposite. Babbage was out hosting balls and parties and associating with others in aristocracy to promote his ideas while begging the Crown to fund his Difference Engine, while Ada's notes were her for her own personal use, a very basic description translated from Luigi Federico Menabrea's initial description and then annotated in detail by herself. She only ever shared her findings with her close ones and with Babbage, and it was others(I think Charles himself) who persuaded her to let her notes be published.

>>105620729
Babbage was also too incompetent to actually build the damn thing, he kept shopping around for gears of unattainable precision instead of looking at other approaches. To his credit though, it would be another few decades until binary was invented, so he'd have to invent it himself to switch to something like relay logic.

Yeah it's a tired old meme. Men in tech are feminine and passive and let the few girlboss women push things like this. A woman has never contributed anything noteworthy in tech whatsoever, a girl from 1850 who was playing with her toys did not write the first program lmao.

>>105620789
More like it was a task too herculean for the time and Babbage also had a very poor work ethic.

Honestly he earned nothing most of the time so kinda cool he coasted off his savings as long as he did.

>Marie curie
LADS
LADS
This thread's looking a bit gay, a bit homosexual, a ben Jensen in the bum.

Assuming a revisit on the Curie name: let's speculate on Marie Curie's x90 series card and the TDP it will be rated at.
Curie's biggest and best last time around was a mere 105W, 135 on the GX2. The 5090 is 575W.
How much oil would be in her lantern now? How fast will that housefire burn when introduced to 12vhpwr?

>>105621041
about 3.50

>>105617181 (OP)
In all fairness, the lovelace portrait is pretty kino.

bro can't accept there are women that exist who are both smarter and more accomplished than he is

>>105621320

Women do this thing

>insist on being included in male spaces (which are ruthless, competitive, and demand proof of excellence)
>also insist men don't judge and criticize them the way they do other men

You can't have both. They did jack shit compared to the titans of tech. Dilettantes

>>105621320
Every "stronk wamyn in tekk xoxo" I ever met was either a glorified secretary dealing with tickets or a mediocre frontend monkey with no interest in computer science. Tey're just tools for corporates, allows them to virtue signal while cutting costs but not as controversial as moving the production to india.
There are smart women, those avoid the IT industry.

>>105618388
>tr0oncase
i thought you guys were extinct here.

>>105621403

Women didn't evolve to be "smart" in the same way men are and constantly trying to force their way into male competitive spaces while simultaneously crying about the consequences of competition with people who are better than you at the thing you arbitrarily self inserted into is a losing proposition

They should instead focus on finding things they are strong at, actually enjoy, and master those. Men go and make tech their entire life, women don't, they can never compete.

>>105621431
>They should instead focus on finding things they are strong at, actually enjoy, and master those.

>>105621421
What the fuck is that now?

>>105620652
all false

>>105620645
it's well known outside the anglosphere that santos dumont was the first. The french aviation authority, which was the official reference at the time also recognizes this. The wright brothers claim they drmonstrated it in private only but contemporaries claim it was propulsed, and beside it was private beczuse they were hiding something

>>105620493
be an illiterate, ahistorical propagandist elsewhere thanks

>>105621495
>>105621546
Correct us then. I'm not averse to discourse.

>>105621403
Every balding male I've ever met was in either a service job or worked in the trades as a labourer, plumber or electrician. When the bald male works as a labourer, plumber or electrician he is usually accompanied by a developing gunt.
Therefore I have reasoned that all balding males are unintelligent service workers and can never aspire to greatness or self enlightenment, they exist in a perpetual state of being confused about how to operate a VCR and browse the internet with adverts; often using their mobile telephones to do so.