Thread 105628489

You can't spell scripture without SICP

>>105628489 (OP)
you cant spell SICP without CP

>>105628489 (OP)
you cant spell SICP without PIS

Consider the following
>eval
>apply

Never read this once and got many many jobs

>>105629719
Had many jobs until I took the lectures and it still made me a better programmer after.

>>105628489 (OP)
I got filtered out at making the change counter iterative challenge. A hint without giving the answer away would be appreciated.

>>105629702
PIS, SHIT and FARTS

>>105629702
lel

man this fucking book
took me three readings until it clicked lmao

>>105630212
It helps to trace the execution if you don't understand it immediately. I didn't, personally. I started at it for hours until I conceded defeat and broke out the pen and paper to really understand what was going on with respect to time and space complexity. Tree problems make a lot more sense in general when you look at them visually... but trying to visualize can also sometimes become a crutch. It's not a black-and-white thing.

>>105628489 (OP)
honestly the book is terribly written. i hate mathematicians so much.

>>105631144
it's very well written, you're just probably not that smart

>>105631144
good morning saar
sicp is hard no h1b visa job ser
redeem the designated durgasoft java batch course instead sir

Mount midwit: The book.

>>105630212
I stopped at the meta circular evaluator. I already wrote an interpreter so I skipped.

>>105628489 (OP)
>Harold Sussman
>Suss

>>105631144
It hardly has any “math”.

>>105628489 (OP)
We conjure the spirits of the computer with our spells.
https://docs.scheme.org/sicp/book-Z-H-9.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhSwBgF-g4I

>>105632045
correct. and yet, it's still written in the diction and rhythm characteristic of mathematicians... probably because it was written by mathematicians.

>>105633674
It's just very precise. That precision, paradoxically, can sometimes make things harder to understand when dealing with unfamiliar problems. But SICP is a book that very much assumes you're willing to sit with the discomfort of often not knowing what the fuck is going on. It wants to believe that you are the kind of person who's willing to work for your understanding if you have to... and I'm tempted to say that everyone has to unless they come in already knowing everything. Even then, I think some of the exercises are just genuinely cognitively taxing in a universal way. There are some aspects which are conceptually challenging and others whose difficulty is in just pure cognition.

>>105628489 (OP)
>Math faggatory hidden as computer faggatory
Snake oil. Even MIT dropped the shit.

>>105634810
Never read it but it sounds like its designed to impress midwits with eroticism through complexity.

>>105631144
>>105631905
>>105634835
>t. filtered pa/g/eets

>>105634861
It's designed to teach an epistemological framework. Back in the day, programming wasn't seen as just a skill to get you a job but the gateway to computation as a paradigm. It's soulful and even romantic, yeah, but it's that way not because of pretense but because of genuine belief.

>>105634908
Copeeeeeeee

this book confuses and enrages the framework monkeys

I got filtered by it.

>>105634810
>It's just very precise.
Not in an efficient or terse way though, and they really put no thought into making it pleasant to read. Which is you know, why it reads like complete ass. Mathematicians shouldn't be allowed to write books desu.

>>105635931
come back to it in a year, it's part of the process

this was when i realized programming and software development are two separate domains of knowledge and that excelling at one doesn't immediately translate to better results for the other.
i still constantly shill it to my colleagues regardless.

>>105631153
it's not. it's awful. it's a university text, not a self-contained work. most people who rave about it have never bothered to work through it. they 'read' it, go on about how brilliant it is and that's it.

>>105634810
>It's just very precise.
no it's wafflely garbage for the most part. it also, for some reason collects fanboys. i guess people just want to be a part of something.

>>105635972
this pretty much.

>>105635124
Yeah, you're coping.

>>105636131
Of course it’s a university text lol
It’s also very self contained so you unfortunately are sounding like you just got hard filtered

Don't got it. I gave a fast look at the ~100 first pages. Looks like the normal basics. What is the differential of SICP and what it taught you?

I got filtered after reading "interpreter".

>>105632025
based zoomer

>>105638625
Why?

>>105635922
trvke

>>105628489 (OP)
chat is this true??

>>105641058
@grok is this true

>>105641669
Yu misspealed gork

>>105642167
@gork true is this

>>105629715
Magical
https://docs.scheme.org/sicp/book-Z-H-26.html

>>105638625
>imagine that you are sitting at a computer
>imagine being at computers

>>105629715
Based

>>105635931
watch the lectures and try to do the exercises, it'll help you figure it out, you can do it anon :^)

>try to do this book because /g/ gaslit me into it
>exercise tells me to explain why procedure breaks on very large numbers
>run code on very large number
>procedure works

>>105646121
>>105646130
It says that the procedure is inadequate (i.e. not very accurate or slow) not that your computer will implode with large numbers.

there is no answer to "why should i use your shitlang instead of C" that isn't a bible length essay of nonsense
your computer contains a CPU that moves data in and out of registers and memory and uses interrupts and other mechanisms to interact with real actual physical hardware you can touch with your hands. if this reality shatters your shitter so badly that you bury your face in the wrinkly sad tits of programming paradigms that hide this reality from you so you can feel like a big math genius smartypants while you uselessly tinkertranny your life away instead of doing real work, then I hesitate to call you a programmer. but you won't hesitate to call me, because you're an indian trying to get a google play store giftcard, and I will promptly hang up when i hear your fucked up marblemouth accent

>>105646389
>Dennis Ritchie: I have to admire languages like Lisp.
http://www.gotw.ca/publications/c_family_interview.htm

>>105646296
Exactly. I can't imagine being filtered by this shit, really. Jesus Christ...

>>105646389
You do know that SICP switched to javascript in more recent editions, right?