Thread 105630833

How Windows is the dominant system OS instead of Mac is still beyond me
>No OS ads
>No in-built bloatware
>Unified RAM-SSD memory
>Great battery life
>Top-of-the-line build quality
>Much longer lifespan
Common counterarguments:
>You can remove ads with third party software
I don't want to study a semester in computer science to fix what shouldn't be there in the first place
>Games
Mac has a growing library of them
>Just install linux lmfao
The only major OS with worse UX than Windows

because mac is just gay
it just seems gay to use and nobody is into that except gays

>>105630833 (OP)
macfags red pill me on getting a mac.
honestly open to being convinced.

>>105630833 (OP)
successor to msdos, not dealing with stallman autism, and is ibm compatible

>>105630833 (OP)
apple doesn't sell corporate shitboxes for $100 a piece so they will never take over the main market for windows

Unironically, if apple can sidestep the whole AI thing or at least have it be something you install optionally rather than packaged and integrated with the OS they may gain some market share against windows 11.

>>105630833 (OP)
>How Windows is the dominant system OS instead of Mac is still beyond me

You can usually buy a brand new Windows PC for cheaper than a used Mac.

>>105630846
16 inch macbook is the best laptop on the market, if you can afford it try it. Buy it from one of those stores that have 30day return window.

>>105630922
>16 inch macbook
damn, they are quite expensive.
hmm.
its only 1 half months paycheck though so I guess I can try it out.

>>105630833 (OP)
>How Windows is the dominant system OS instead of Mac is still beyond me
Most PCs that exist, aren't made by Microsoft, heck most PCs running windows aren't made my Microsoft
Apple doesn't want to support MacOS on non-Apple hardware, mystery solved

>>105630833 (OP)
Can I install Mac OS on my Samsung? No?
there's your answer.

>>105630941
Honestly, just try used 16 inch m1 first to see if you like the macOS, these m1 ones are still pretty good. Also they are releasing m5 soon so all these m4 pro's will pop on the market for much less.

Simple. Tell Apple to release an installable version of their OS to any x86_64 and/or ARM platforms and a lot of people will switch.
The reason most people won't use it is because it is expensive, specially if you don't live in burgerland.

unironically i miss the touchbar and the custom stuff you can do with it

>>105630833 (OP)
a) macos is only supported on apple hardware
b) windows has a stupid amount of software support
c) microsoft invests way more into enterprise solutions than apple

because
>microsoft successfully pushed the ibm clone hard
>microsoft had state-of-the-art toolchains from the mid-90s up until the late 2000s
>microsoft focused on attracting developers, while apple treats them like second class citizens
>you can buy a $200 computer new that runs windows

>>105630846
A $1700 1TB M4 "14 Macbook outpaces a $3000 Windows PC in build quality, screen and speakers and can run several apps in the background without issues

>>105630833 (OP)
>The only major OS with worse UX than Windows
?

>>105631184
You're insane if you think you can't outperform it with a $3000 pc setup. Unless you're specifically talking about laptops, not well informed on what top end windows laptops are like.

>>105631196
>You're insane if you think you can't outperform it with a $3000 pc setup
Because I didn't say that. I said it is of better build quality

>>105631203
That's what I'm talking about as well.

>>105630833 (OP)
>"Unified RAM-SSD memory"
Stopped reading there. If you think thats a good thing you're a mongoloid

>>105631203
Lol, just watch this comparison m4 max vs most expensive windows mobile 5090 laptop. Windows laptops are a meme.

>>105631222
>my slow 2 channel ram is good and fast-ack

>>105631248

https://youtu.be/y8PJmJe2cx8

Forgot to add link.

>>105630833 (OP)
Macs are leagues ahead of Windows, that’s true. A Unix-like OS with a world class UX is all I could hope for. Only things keeping me from switching over are:
>vendor lock-in (hardware required)
>can’t be repaired or modified
>expensive OEM support
>limited customization
>opaque package management
>no intuitive access to low level constructs, for use with embedded systems etc.
I use Linux because it suits my workflow, but I also enjoy suffering. I will tongue 100 dog anuses before I willingly use Microjeet Windows

>>105630833 (OP)
>horrendous IPS backlight bleed
>soldered components

>>105631319
>I use Linux because it suits my workflow, but I also enjoy suffering. I will tongue 100 dog anuses before I willingly use Microjeet Windows
based pill me on this bro.
I used linux before but i am afraid to use it as my main nigger.

>>105630833 (OP)
>Mac has a growing library of them
Of like what, 2%? At worse performance for the same price?

>>105631222
>>105631252
what does unified RAM-SSD memory even mean?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/121552
the Unified memory is for the GPU and CPU, not the SSD. Also
>The only major OS with worse UX than Windows
>singular
>as if there is just one linux distro
Are you an LLM? are we being pranked?

>>105630833 (OP)
because this.

>>105630846
>macfags red pill me on getting a mac.
i just bought mac book and felt empowered to hook up with man for first time. i know my true self now. apple has changed my life!

>>105631392
you wish winjeet

Are jeets allergic to Apple/MacOS? It's all about order and cleanliness, efficiency. They seem to exclusively flock to Windows and Android.

>>105630846
You can better focus on doing the nothing you've been doing all along rather than trying to fix something arbitrary any time you want to do something that isn't purchasing things on the microsoft store.

>>105631392
Yes, because homosexuals have never used Windows apparently

>>105631196
>WHIIIIRRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRRIRIRIRIRIRIRRIRIRIR
like that right

>>105631222
It's why I can run local llms better than you can.

>>105631196

Literally doesn't matter if Windows force-bricks your PC. Happened to one I bought in 2017, perfectly strong hardware, over time due to the forced updates and bloatware (processes I wasn't allowed to disable) it straight up couldn't work. Rinse and repeat, God knows they're attacking our PCs as we speak with their jeetbloat forced updates.

>>105631413
They don't have souls and the a tool that is made with the soul in mind is foreign and horrifying to them.

>>105631460
>over time due to the forced updates and bloatware (processes I wasn't allowed to disable)
I stopped all updates for a year, went right from 22H2 to 24H2, so if stopping updates works for some of us, then I guess it isn't really forced, and they can be disabled

>>105631453
>better
bigger*, big models are inefficient for most uses outside of research, for it to be better you want it to be advanced and small

>>105631523
better as in whatever scale of model you select, performance on an architecture that shares memory with the gpu will be better

>>105630833 (OP)
You can download a program that will debloat your W10/11 with a few clicks.

>>105631610
>just install this spyware and you'll be free of the other spyware!

>>105631579
What I am saying is the goal is to shrink the models, so better would actually be more efficient models, not "have more devices use a shared memory architecture" as that would be a step in the wrong direction.

>>105630860
This, two weeks ago I spent $99 on a think centre mini PC from 2019 with a 3400GE, 16 gigs of DDR4 ram, and a 512gb pcie 3? NVMe
It does everything a M1 mini can do at 1/3 the used price, it can be hardened just like a Mac Mini, and it doesn't have a bunch of retarded payware to replace functionality that comes standard with Windows.

>>105631203
If you close your display on anything larger than a strip of scotch tape it's a $700 trip to the Apple store to meet the retard bar

>>105631640
https://youtu.be/UsA8YbYLrDM

Okay now do similar test on your machine. Btw apple m4 mini is $400 with student discount.

>>105631677
Find me a M4 for $100, also I can play any games I want without some retarded payware like Parallels or CrossOver. MacOS is for masochists who like paying for shit that should come free.
Like Forklift 4, and Magnet, or Maccy.

>>105631677
>>105631732
this debate is going nowhere, we all know the M4 mac mini will outperform that thing, we all know that think centre mini pc has basic functionally a PC should have, that the mac mini doesnt, like upgradable storage and memory

why are there people shilling for a multi-billion dollar corporation on /g/, for free?

>>105631632
I don't think you understand llms, even with smaller models, better architecture runs them either faster or with better quality settings.

cope

>>105631640
Does everything it the mac mini does except for doing it fast.

>>105630833 (OP)
You don't even need third-party software to remove ads and built-in bloatware. iToddlers are actually retarded I swear.

>>105631732
Lol, again Sukdeek moving his goal. Muster up $500 dollars, is not a lot, regardless you deserve to die in poverty. Also good games are out on mac. Also you can pirate crossover if you really need specific vidya.
>>105631888
Sure, Sukdeek now record the same test >>105631677
run a number of 4K videos, open several tabs, render 4K video simultaneously, and show the process explorer.

>>105631876
Is that even true? I can't find M4 benchmarks, I have a 3070, outperforming a M3 Max with its 2020 traditional architecture, at least in the smaller model tests I see
https://github.com/XiongjieDai/GPU-Benchmarks-on-LLM-Inference

>>105631925
What's wrong with buying old hardware? I only bought this POS to replace my old jellyfin server. Anyways, it's plenty functional. Will you even notice the difference doing most things? Fuck no, if you're not running some Linus tech tips recommended benchmark to measure your hardware peen you're not going to even notice the speed difference between a Mac and a W11 PC with NVMe storage.

>>105630833 (OP)

It’s McDonald’s and most people are fine with just McDonald’s.

>>105630846

Dip your toe into the macOS world with a Mac mini. It’s better than a 1000 dollar laptop right off the bat and only costs $499. It’s a fantastic entry point

>>105630833 (OP)
Macs are associated with homosexuals since the laptops are sleek/thin.

I mean the CEO of Apple is a LITERAL cocksucker and not just a metaphorical one.

>>105632065
THIS 100%

macs = fag light of computers

>>105631222
>>105631252
>>105631387
sounds like it just reads RAM and SWAP as one
OP is one dumb ass motherfucker

>>105630833 (OP)
consider how shit w11 is, then imagine if it were 5X worse, and 5X as expensive.
that's the steaming heap of pajeet shit that is crapple pajeetOS, running on its own custom tailored specially designed first party apploo hardware
these curryniggers can't even update their own pajeetOS on their own 100% in house 100% custom designed currybooks without bricking them

now imagine if these street shitters released their curryniggerOS to run on completely unsupported hardware with drivers made by onions boy hobbyists, that's pajeetintosh
macos is the biggest heap of currynigger shit in the history of operating systems, and releasing it on PC would finally expose this curryniggerOS to the world for the steaming heap of pajeet shit that it is

>>105631677
you can build a similar spec PC as the m4 mac mini.
for example:
$100 cpu (13100f / 13400f / 5500)
$130 mobo
$50 32gb ddr4
$50 1 tb nvme (mp44l)
$50 case
$50 bronze PSU
$180 3050 6gb (I hate to put this here, but it absolutely destroys any budget IGPU, the 5060 / 9060 has ~50% better cost per frame but it costs $300+, ideally you could find a similar spec GPU for like $80 on facebook marketplace)
That's $610
>that's too expensive / shit hardware
It's absolutely worse in some ways (slower ram is the main issue, ddr4 isn't going to drop your FPS much, but it does matter in productivity for like bender CPU rendering I think), but the CPU is basically the same, much more ram and SSD space, and the 3050 is about twice as strong as the m4 IGPU (and the 3050 6gb is a joke of a GPU, but it makes IGPU's look like a joke, except for the AMD AI max 385 that's $1000 on framework which is a bit worse than just replacing the 3050 with a 5060 / 9060 or better).
>>105630846
You can run apple OS in a VM.
I used OSX KVM, but it's linux only, BUT I think you can actually get it working in VirtualBox or VMware, I have not tried.
I couldn't make an apple account with a free phone number so I couldn't really test it.

there is no equivalent to macs

macs have:
>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 years
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replace
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen times
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcam
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flights
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware accelerators
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keys
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs

>keyboards with 63.5% failure rate
unheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"
just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any good
this list goes on forever
there's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter books
they are one of the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones

>>105632122
>similar spec PC as the m4 mac mini.
anything even remotely close to the same price as a mac utterly destroys that currynigger trash in performance

>>105632108
Finder is the biggest pile of dog shit. You would think that with Apple's trillions they could afford to buy something like Forklift and integrate it, making their OS more usable, but no.
You'd think that maybe someone in the design team might be able to make it easier to add third party software without manually enabling it in an obscure window.
Nope.

>>105630833 (OP)
your argument that you shouldn't have to install third-party software is humorous considering the first thing you need to do when you get a mac is install a plethora of apps to bring extremely basic functionality to the operating system that already exists in windows and even the majority of linux distros

>>105630833 (OP)
Windows users reproduce, mac users don't.

>>105632137
>>105632130
>CPU workloads that don't use any of the Mac's dedicated hardware accelerators
yawn
cherrypick harder dikshit

>>105632137
no the performance just about matches the 13100f / 13400f which are around $100.
https://www.phoronix.com/review/apple-m4-intel-amd-linux/6
It doesn't list the 13100/13400f but the 9600x should be around 20+% faster.

>>105630846
I got one in March, my first Mac machine as an adult, and it's aight.
>Sent from my 2019 3700x machine

>>105632210
>muh hardware accelerators
put your trip back on ss2

>>105630833 (OP)
>I don't want to study a semester in computer science
you could have just stopped at that.

>>105632331
no idea what ss2 is, is that the sequel to streetshitting for you gangesdwellers? street shit 2?
if you buy hardware with certain features and then don’t use them, in the business we call you a fucking retard.

>>105630922
kek man, this is my experience after switching to an M1 5 years ago.
It spoiled all other laptops for me, literally fucking disgusting and I don't know how the rest of the planet cope. Man they could increase the prices another 20% I'd still buy them.

>>105630846
The build quality of these computers is impressively unparalleled. They last forever assuming you don't beat them to shit. Apple's annoying software updates obsoletes it faster than the machine dies out.
Between you and I, the 2015 Intel MacBook pro was peak Apple hardware design. And the x86 architecture made the laptop ugly versatile.
Apple only just recently got that back with their new MacBook pros but arm is still gay. Not being able to run windows in bootcamp sucks ass though I guess you could put windows arm on these if you really wanted to.
If all you do is basic web browsing, email, and office work a Mac will do you fine. My biggest pet peeve is they don't support a video technology that every USB c dock has.
Between you and I, they're just status symbols. Nice hardware at least but there are plenty of PCs that fit the same longevity requirements and won't be EoL as quickly.

>>105632130
macs solder their SSDs? what the fuck lol
i dont buy prebuilts or laptops but im assuming that's not common outwith apple?

I use macOS as a gimmick and frankly I'm done with Macs after next year when Intel Macs get deprecated.

For general computing it's barely a peg above Chromebooks and every other workload is either outside my expertise in general or something I know how to do better in Windows.

>>105632496
Unironically, both fastest amd and intel laptops do it, unified ram is different than just soldered one.

>>105631993
Very nice. Now let's see per watt performance.

>>105630833 (OP)
>How Windows is the dominant system OS instead of Mac is still beyond me
You must not have thought much about your own question at all, because the answer is incredibly obvious. Windows is openly available for and supports whatever PC hardware you want to use while Mac OS is some locked down shite that's shackled to whatever computer Apple makes.

It never stood a chance.

>>105632526
i know that soldering other components is common but soldered storage is insane

>>105632546
They don't, pajeets are seething about apple since they can't afford anything besides 100$ winjeet machines.

>>105632592
This is actually a VERY interesting troll from Apple. It turns out that this is not an M.2 SSD but a decapitated one. Basically this is the equivalent of removing someones head from their body.

The SSD controller isn't on that thing lol.

>>105632531
I just said, I don't have m4 benchmarks

If Apple made user upgradable parts and *user* reparability a priority, I'd simp for them so hard.

>>105632670
>If Apple made user upgradable parts and *user* reparability a priority
they consider their customers to be absolute fucking idiots who will buy anything though

>>105632216
your fruity currynigger shitpu can't even beat an N95 iJeet

Apple if you're reading this, this is your moment. Microsoft is fucking over its base and jeetifying and dogshittifying everything it owns. I'm crying out for an environment that is gatekept by optimization and style autists but is still feature rich like Windows. I'll even accept the black box hardware I just want a pure robust OS and great dev experience

>>105632694
G tards don't have $500 to their name, you are not a customer and never will be. Apple will never care about Shitndian "customers".

>>105632707
>a pure robust OS and great dev experience
consider how shit w11 is, then imagine if it were 5X worse, and 5X as expensive.
that's the steaming heap of pajeet shit that is crapple pajeetOS, running on its own custom tailored specially designed first party apploo hardware
these curryniggers can't even update their own pajeetOS on their own 100% in house 100% custom designed currybooks without bricking them

now imagine if these street shitters released their curryniggerOS to run on completely unsupported hardware with drivers made by onions boy hobbyists, that's pajeetintosh
macos is the biggest heap of currynigger shit in the history of operating systems, and releasing it on PC would finally expose this curryniggerOS to the world for the steaming heap of pajeet shit that it is

>>105632712
idk why you are deluding yourself, they market themselves as a status symbol for insufferable middle class people, they think their customers are fucking idiots

>>105632724
Not a status symbol, computer that just works. Sure maybe it's status symbol for Sukdeeks that eat cow dung patties.

>>105632740
>Not a status symbol
delusional

Unironically, I bought one of these pieces of shit last year. It lasted just under two months of normal use. Bought it at the beginning of October. Died by the end of November. I was watching YouTube and the screen just goes black for no reason but the backlight was still on. Nothing I tried made the Mac respond so I hard powered it off. That was the last time it turned on. I swear. I've tried every possible recovery method the thing just refuses to power on. TWO GODDAMN MONTHS. Never again.

>>105632519

Bye Felicia. Next time, try one with ARM instead of Intel if you want your opinion to matter.

>>105630941
even the original M1 Pro 14" 16GB/512GB is better than 90% of the garbage on the market. I bought one for ~$800 off Woot and it's more powerful than I need buy a wide margin, and I regularly do video editing in 4K.

Microsoft simply cannot figure out ARM architecture for some reason. Even the Qualcomm laptops they have out now don't match the battery life or overall compute power.

Why Apple hasn't decided to upgrade the original M1 Air to M2/M3 get the remaining juice out of that machine tooling is weird to me. They could undercut the entire under $500 laptop segment with value and totally shred the low end of Microsoft laptops forever. The iPad just isn't the same as a legitimate laptop until they get macOS on it for the same price point.

>>105632756
Their price is comparable to that of other laptops, and their battery life is beyond the other laptops unless you are going to use arm on windows and qualcomm. In Shitndia, a phone is undoubtedly a sign of prestige, but individuals who care about status just purchase Lamborghini and yachts.

the namba wan reason to buy mac is becuase mac HAS THE ONLY ACTUALLY WORKING touchpad

>>105632888
>refurbished

>>105631640
>It can be hardened just like a Mac Mini,
Windows can't even validate certificates correctly, Microsoft operating systems are inherently insecure and any amount of "hardening" doesn't really do anything because as soon as you update it all of the work you put into it goes out the window.

CIS controls for macOS are infinitely more realistic and work for the life of the OS version at the very least, with few exceptions.

usecase for "stealth" itoddler shill thread?

>>105632898
Yes, it's the official Apple website. You are complaining that they are pricey and status symbols, but that is untrue. Give up living in poverty, oh, but you can't. Perhaps you can transform from New Delhi jeet to visajeet.

>>105632785

Are you for real nigga? Everyone I know who has a Macbook has had it for like 10 years. This is unfathomable to me, my PC laptops get bricked after like 4.

>>105632950
you are saying the price is comparable to other laptops, yet you have to use some cum-stained refurbished laptops to prove that point

if anything it proves it is just a status symbol for idiots, overpriced refurbished laptops.

>>105632959
>sar apple refurbishing is cum
>but I Wish apple cared about repairs saaar
>apple is status symbol in new delhi saaar

Don't care you have no arguments, apple is affordable sure maybe for third world new delhi jeets is not.

>>105632706
M1 is solidly faster than the N95
https://www.notebookcheck.net/N95-vs-M2-vs-M1_14981_14521_12937.247596.0.html

>>105632987
you're pretty stupid man, you actually thought that image was convincing lol.

>>105632999
Again you have no arguments and smell like shit. Apple is affordable for everyone that has brain and lives in first world country. $2k laptop will never be a status symbol, regardless if it's apple, linux or winjeet one.

>>105633025
you actually tried to use a refurbished laptop being the same price as a fairly high end laptop as an argument for apple not being overpriced status symbol shit lol
idiot

>>105632957
Nigga... Are you for real? Almost every single generation of Macs has some major design flaw. Putting a ton of wattage through a single pin on the ribbon cable frying it, the butterfly keyboards (and they were riveted in), multiple generations of dGPUs running so hot they literally desolder from the board, thunderbolt failures, running the power for the board through the SSD so your system won't boot if your soldered on SSD fails, etc. I can go on and on with this. Apple makes literally the worst computers.

>>105630833 (OP)
when i see threads like this i think normies shouldn't be allowed to use computers.

>>105633038

It's your word vs every irl example I can think of. I'm not a Mac hardo and I've always considered them style symbols for dummies but I have to admit the people who use them use them forever.

>>105632888
90% of people don't need a macbook pro though, that's the problem with all of these comparisons

normies can buy a Macbook Air and have it last them 5-7 years if they take care of it.

Apple banks on the fact that the people that buy them for status can't take care of it and will break it at some point, so the retards that purchase more computer than they need and end up needing repairs are actually subsidizing the people using them for work.

That's why people are so angry about the fact that Apple are killing off repairability, it used to be a cheat code to buy old Macs and fix them up because you could just download the new macOS and basically have a new computer without Microjeet for a similar price that performs much better because of the high code quality and unix-like OS.

I'm typing this on my Mac Pro 2019 from macOS Tahoe 26 Beta that I got about a year ago for $1800. I put 1TB DDR4 and the 28-core Xeon in it and run my OpenFoam workflow on it without any issues for about half the price of one of the new Mac Studios.

>>105633038
this was all Intel-era Apple. Nobody I know like Intel macs with the exception of the Mac Pro towers.

>>105633036
Indeed, Apple formally offers reconditioned computers for sale, it literally demolishes your jeet argument about apple being status symbol. Nobody uses winjeet gayman laptops with 2hour battery life. Now kill yourself pajeet, and leave this site forever you fecal matter.

>>105633091
>it literally demolishes your jeet argument about apple being status symbol.
not at all, it's a way for them to rinse the poorer elements of the middle class who want that status symbol. and they can then go on and rinse the wealthier ones who turn their nose up at second hand gear.

>>105633058
Lol, the new mac studios are insanely cheap consider how much you get. the only sector apple rakes their customers is storage, but that's not an issue for normal person consider you can buy thunderbolt 5 external mount and don't care about storage pricing at all.

>>105633135
Sukdeek Prashjeet actual people sell their old hardware from njudea 3050-5090 cards, old cars, people sell everything they don't need unless they are hoarders. You are not a real human being, you are a scum. Kill yourself pajeet. Apple will never be a status symbol, you are just delusional pajeet mongrel.

>>105633173
you are really stupid man, i'm not complaining about people selling their old tech.

I'm starting to think YOU are the third world ESL moron here.

>>105632796
We're talking about an OS, not an architecture, sweetie.

>>105630833 (OP)
Can I install Mac OS on a 7 years old ThinkPad? No, I'll not pay 999.99$ for a shitty Apple toy laptop.

>>105633196
Lmao, Sukdeek if apple was a status symbol company they would never sell refurbished hardware on their official website, they would never do this. Show me official Lamborghini website re-selling their old cars, go ahead faggot jeet. You have no arguments and smell like shit fuck you Sanjeet.

>>105633235
>Sukdeek if apple was a status symbol company they would never sell refurbished hardware on their official website
yes they would, for the exact reason i said.

by the way, i have never actually called apple a status symbol, it's a status symbol for certain middle class idiots though.

>>105630833 (OP)
It's cheap and widespread, and most businesses use it as well as they get deals from Microshit

>>105633265
>Sar apple status symbol in new delhi saaar!!
>$1-2k laptops are status symbol saaaar!
>$500 m4 mini is status symbol saaaaaar!
>sar apple middle class status symbol saaaar!

Kill yourself.

>>105633301
i'm not at all surprised you're defending apple because you are a completely retarded cunt lol

>>105633173
I don't have any additional onboard storage for my Mac Pro, just a 10gbe card and and NFS mount so this has never been an issue for me. This solarflare card is like 10 years old at this point so I could probably upgrade it for a lower-power version that has actual support if I wanted to but it's still working just fine.

I guess I'd need to buy a TB3/4/5 <-> 10G Ethernet adapter if I do move to Silicon though.

>>105633219
Yeah and the code quality in Windows is such dogshit that Microsoft has tried to switch to ARM multiple times and only after 20 years have they sort of figured it out, with massive issues. Tons of powershell cmdlets and native windows tooling that system admins normally use just don't work on the ARM version.

>>105633055
OK. Well my M3 MacBook Air died in two months under normal use. The thing still looks brand new. Can't be that well built.
>>105633070
The logic board power rail running through the soldered on SSD is an issue on all of the M series Macs. If your soldered on SSD fails it shorts the power rail to ground and your computer literally will not power on. Lmao.

>>105633553
haven't run into that issue at all myself, I have a fleet of M1/M2 Airs at work and statistically I should have already run into this if what you say is true. All I've had a broken screens and a handful of broken keyboards (which are admittedly retardedly expensive to replace).

None of the Mac Minis have failed either, we have ~80 of those still in service. Still have a handful of 2018 Intel minis too but they are pretty slow in comparison. M4 refresh for everything pretty soon.

>>105630833 (OP)
>is still beyond me
it's "beyond" you how the OS that has been the dominant one for many decades is able to retain that position through momentum and because 95% of industry software is written for windows and that's what 95% of normalfags are used to so that's just what they'll keep doing?

This is really beyond you? How retarded are you? Kill yourself

>>105633704
>How retarded are you?
itoddlers are a whole new breed of retarded, anon

>>105630833 (OP)
>>No OS ads
>>No in-built bloatware
I will grant you that much. That's still asking for the bare minimum.
>>Unified RAM-SSD memory
Mac users are tech-illiterate. That is not how that works, such things do not exist period.
>>Great battery life
AMD and Intel are steadily getting there without any of the bullshit of ARM. Half the reason is that macs have bigger batteries for their size class anyway.
>>Top-of-the-line build quality
>>Much longer lifespan
Demonstrably false. They're okay when they don't fuck up the board design every other year, for the price they ought to be better.

>>105630846
Used a mac for 4 years getting my degree in CS. Work only. I would never put anything private on this spyware piece of shit.

Pros:
It's as usable as linux if you use brew to install software. Avoid the apple store at all costs. It's like the windows store, absolute garbage.
The newer macs (I still have the Intel chip kill me) are really fast.
Arguably the best human input devices (keyboard, trackpad) on any laptop. Especially the trackpad is amazing. Amazing build quality (not under the hood).

Cons:
You are locked into MacOS.
Not all software supports MacOS. It's arguably the worst supported platform out of Mac/Linux/Windows.
Price.

Also make sure you get at least 16GB RAM.
Personally I will get a linux machine because as a dev it's more practical. Depands on what you do though.

>>105630833 (OP)
too expensive
most people using personal computers only use it to fill out forms like their cv or tax records
a $299 5-year-old piece of shit from walmart is sufficient for that
the rest are usually stuck on some specialized win32 software

>>105633390
>Yeah and the code quality in Windows is such dogshit that Microsoft has tried to switch to ARM multiple times and only after 20 years have they sort of figured it out, with massive issues. Tons of powershell cmdlets and native windows tooling that system admins normally use just don't work on the ARM version.

That's neither here nor there. I accept that ARM is a better architecture at a fundamental level than x86-64 but the legacy of software that architecture brings with it is unquestionable. People keep trying to downplay this aspect yet I think anyone reasonable will always see it as stumbling block to any true migration.

And you know, I'm fine with it. It's never really done me wrong at a personal level. Switch to ARM if you must but I want that x86 translation layer.

>>105632785
CPU aren't meant to sit at 105c all day. Assholes aren't meant to take dicks either so what can you expect from Tim Apple anyway?
No even the worst M chip is NOT capable of running fanless. It's literally 25W TDP.
>>105633038
>multiple generations of dGPUs running so hot they literally desolder from the board
No that never actually happened to anything at all. It was an industrywide GPU manufacturing fuckup, I mean every PC GPU until 08-09 is cursed. ThinkPad T61 had the same GPU and problems as the 2008 Macbook Pro. Xbox 360 and PS3 got fucked until they went 65nm.
If you see, the 9000 series NVIDIA Macbooks do not have these problems at all because NVIDIA figured their shit out by mid 2008. Microsoft figured out their issues around that time too.
Meanwhile AMD couldn't get their shit together until GCN so the 2011 macbooks got fucked hard and they never even got sued for this unlike NVIDIA.
Incorrect materials were used to secure the silicon die down to the GPU package, ones that went soft over 70c and caused the microscopic connections to break. That is about as simple as I can explain it and there literally isn't a fix. Ball grid arrays don't fail as often as you'd think, yes even leadfree. Flipchip packaging is exempt from RoHS btw.
However, I can add legitimate apploo hilarity:
>putting 50 volt backlight line next to video signal, a spec of dust can send 50 volts right into your CPU randomly
>using cheap solder that breaks on the VRM controller of the first retina macbook causing GPU voltage to stop existing and crashing the system then putting rubber on the chip to "fix" it under warranty
>chronic SATA cable failure YES SATA CABLE FAILURE ON THE ENTIRE 2008-2012 13" MACBOOK PRO LINEUP, 4 STRAIGHT YEARS OF SATA CABLES FAILING... A FUCKING SATA CABLE
>no underfill on iPhone touchscreen controller causing BGA failure of it and trooning out your phone into a total paperweight
There has to be more but this is quite a bit of shit already.

>>105630833 (OP)
You forgot about compatibility, cost-efficiency and adoption. The vast majority of software that gets work done, along with hardware peripherals, is made with Windows in mind. I know a few Itoddlers who still struggle with that, since every now and then they cry about not being able to run windows-only software ( for example when their promoter asks them to do so). Apple's hardware is great but its brittle, not user serviceable and is not modular in the same sense as PCs, thats why most companies (and people who want to get something done) usually pick normal x86 workstations with windows, since if something breaks, or you need an upgrade, you usually need to swap only one part instead of entire machine. The adoption is also another important factor. 9 out of 10 people out there are tech-illiterate retards who just go the closest market, buy first best laptop (that usually comes with windows), use it for the next decade and swap it for something else. Those 3 combined still make windows a dominant desktop OS, despite that its a complete jeetware that is getting progressively worse.

>>105631319
You can have all the macOS package management you want, under /opt. You can even have nix if you want it.

>>105632065
yep, pretty much

>>105632152
Obscure window? You mean that security selector to protect normies from unscanned binaries?

>>105632191
Plethora of software? I have

- Better Touch Tool
- AltTab
- Rectangle Pro

This is a plethora?

>>105632957
get a toilet currynigger

>>105633173
get a toilet currynigger
a literal chromebook destroys your steaming heap of currynigger fruit shit

>>105630846
mac mini should still be on sale for $500 rn
>>105630865
its an optional install, it bugs me to install it every time there's an OS update, but thats as annoying as it gets.

>>105634935
Macs are for video/image/music production using their dedicated hardware accelerators, not for tinkertrannying with loonix kernels.
post actual benchmarks or fuck off

>>105630846
Don't
It's literally a toy for women

>>105634778
Yes, the retarded security feature that makes you scroll all the way to the bottom to approve or deny every stupid third party program you want to install.
With Windows it's click click done. Microsoft protects you from the evil third party software with its superior Microsoft Defender antivirus which is among the best in the world.
Apple just pretends and lets you think that macs don't get viruses.

>>105635237
Most decked winjeet laptop with mobile 5090 can't beat M4 max in code compilation kek.

https://youtu.be/y8PJmJe2cx8

>>105634050
>Half the reason is that macs have bigger batteries for their size class anyway.
14 inch macbook only has the usual 52 5 Wh battery.

>>105635465
Yeah, it has 128GB of VRAM available to the GPU, while the Razer POS comes with half of that and 24GB of dedicated VRAM. This also isn't the newest

>>105635536
the MBP has a 100WH battery

>>105630833 (OP)
Work gave me a MBP in 2017 and I hated every second that I had to use it for actual work. The OS feels like shit and is toddlerfied. Maybe it's gotten better in the intervening eight years. Their cpus are technical marvels and I respect that their OS is free of telemetry bullshit but it feels like shit to use so i will not buy.

>>105630846
Excellent hardware albeit virtually unrepairable. Software isn't perfect, it has as many annoyances as windows and linux just of a different flavor. There's no alternative to MacOS on Macbooks, Asahi Linux is still WIP on newer chips.

>>105635573
I look it up just now and it's 72.4 Wh.
We're both wrong.

>>105635465
>continues with tinkertroony code/kernel compilation instead of real usecase benchmarks like video and audio editing
i accept your concession jeety

Apple hardware is too expensive for poor normies that opt for cheapo Windows povertyboxes.
A lot of software is Windows only.
If you want to game then macOS is not an option.

>>105630833 (OP)
kek, this thread again.
apple is held back by pretentious hardware development schema.
apples design philosophy will forever hold it back from being truly fast.

>>105635465
get a toilet currynigger

>>105630833 (OP)
"No bloatware"

The worthless dock is filled to the brim with bloat wtf are you talking about

>>105631645
>whereas with a windows laptop you can put anything in between because they already flex, creak and fill with dust and shit everywhere so what's some more stuff in there anyway, it's not like you are going to have it for more than 3 years, therefore proving windows laptops are better built
huh?

>>105630833 (OP)
>No in-built bloatware
try to remove News or Apple TV
>Much longer lifespan
*flexgates, dustgates, randomly sends 40V to your SSD in your path*
>>105635589
>Maybe it's gotten better in the intervening eight years
nope
>their OS is free of telemetry bullshit
lmao

>>105636833
>put a strip of tape over your webcam, close the clamshell, screen cracks, retard bar says you gotta pay because it's negligence.
>Close your display on a grain of sand, open it again, and you got a $700 display with a giant crack in it
>fart on your keyboard wrong, and one of the shitty little butterfly keys pops off, breaking some chintsy little plastic tab that you can't replace, apple charges you $300 for a whole new keyboard instead of having the parts on hand that would cost some fraction of a penny to manufacture.

i was going to buy a brand new mac but then i learned new macs don't have x86 emulation anymore. such a disaster when it comes to software and driver support.

iXisters... not like this...

can't believe macfags are using performance as an argument now like your average person gives two fucks about that
the average person would be satisfied with a <$100 second hand sff box if they were smart enough to know that. otherwise they just buy a $300 pos

basically, it's cost. an apple computer costs more. you think the average person even knows what unified memory means? of course not, even op got it wrong and he's advocating for macs
i don't even disagree that macos may be a nicer experience than windows for your average person. i'm not actually certain of that, but i'd be surprised it was notably worse at least

>>105637146
>>105636554
>non-hardware accelerated workloads
yawn
do you ever get tired of looking stupid, poopjeet?

>>105637259
>the M* is good actually but only if you don't use it

>>105637259
you ever get tired of shitting in the street currynigger?

>>105635237
macs are for subhuman curryniggers who think they're people

>>105637417
>>105637364
>t. jeet

>>105637652
do you even know who took the first street shit at one infinite loo to crhisten the opening of crapple?

>>105630833 (OP)
Windows actually does everything, including supporting an endless catalogue of old and obscure software.

>>105630833 (OP)
>>105630846
macs are the best daily drivers going. for more specialised workloads (including games) other OS are better.

>>105630846
Their solid enough hardware and software. But MASSIVELY overpriced for what you're getting. The one good thing I'll say about Apple beyond the OS (which has gone to shit as they try to iPad-ize it) is that Apple will support it for about 8-10 years before telling you to dump it, something MS (see: Windows 10->11) will tell you "Fuck you, get new hardware" within like 4-5 years of their next OS release.

You're still better off getting a Thinkpad and installing whatever flavor of Linux though.

>>105630846
so I'm a Linux fag and have been for some time. I actually despise Mac some, and always have. But their shit is pretty ok to use. Some of it is dumb as fuck. Get a mac, open safari, and just browse. Cool toy if you have $800+ you want to burn.

Mostly because desktop and cost. On desktop Mac story is horrible. On laptop battery is the main pro of Mac. Otherwise half price for similar windows PC is common

>>105631390
imagine outing yourself by thinking and writing about cocks this much

>>105632108
>>105632152
>>105634778
>>105635273
cringe samefag
also hilarious you attack Apple so much but you are here praising Microshart and Winblows lmfao, which is led by a jeet. HAHAHA
seethe more

>>105637417
seethe more looooool

>>105638087
>something MS (see: Windows 10->11) will tell you "Fuck you, get new hardware" within like 4-5 years of their next OS release.
Doesn't W11 support currently 7 year old ones? 8th gen Intel from 2017 is the cutoff I think. Windows 10 is also still supported today, for few more months.

This thread quickly turned from
>Mac is better than Windows actually.
>No, because (whatever)
to
>y-you are streetshitter!
>n-no, y-you are streetshitter!
Jeets are the official #1 boogeyman of /g/, that nowadays is basically /pol/ with computers.