Thread 105637210

>MP3
>1991
>33 years ago

It just works. What went so right with 320kbps CBR MP3's?

>>105637210 (OP)
I believe it is because it is just maths; once you dial it in, there isn't much more room for improvement.

Why would you use 320 CBR instead of V0 MP3s?

>>105637210 (OP)
Same for JPG/PNG, it's good enough

I really don't get why the average car radio in 2025 still can't play neither opus nor flac, what ancient software are these fuckers using?

You're severly mentally ill, you collect vaporware music encodes courtesy of dementic boomers and call that life

because macs can't handle flac

>>105637210 (OP)
The human ear hasnt changed much in 33 years

>>105638267
because nobody but nerds use it.

>>105637210 (OP)
>320kbps CBR
Absolutely nothing.

>>105638267
I can just use CarPlay + Plexamp to do Opus in my car.

>>105638267
just plug your pmp in via aux

>>105638267
i phones also can't, nor can they play the webm format that 4chan uses (if I download a webm and send it to my applenigger wife on signal she can't play it)

>>105638267
qnx. i also wouldn't be surprised if some form of bsd is used.

>>105638586
iOS supports Webm (VP8 and VP9) and FLAC just fine.

>MP3
>AAC
>M4A
>AC3
>FLAC
>DTS

What are the differences

>>105637241
Except there was room for improvement: ogg has better quality at the same bitrate and allows more channels.

>>105637210 (OP)
It was good enough, and made files small enough, at the right time for online piracy to explode.

>>105638586
Does your wife know that you call her a nigger?

>>105637295
Why would you use V0 instead of V2?

>>105638940
V0 is better quality than V2. There is no difference quality-wise between 320 and V0.

>>105638949
>V0 is better quality than V2
I wouldn't be so sure, do an ABX

>PNG
>FLAC
>MP3
>AVC/H264

They just work

>>105638896
>ogg has better quality at the same bitrate and allows more channels.
>isn't much more room
It is subjective that OGG is better quality and you could easily add more channels to mp3 and call it mp4.

>>105637210 (OP)
Or maybe there are better and more optimized file formats most people aren't aware of because people keep using mp3, like how PDF is still the most popular e-book format despite being inferior to ePub
Fuck people that still use PDF, you belong to gas chambers

>>105637241
Opus exists btw

>>105637210 (OP)
Name recognition + wide support, and being "good enough".
There are better formats in every regard, and they dominate in places where the difference matters (streaming, games, apps, etc), but have always been playing catch-up in adoption among the average person.

>>105639260
>PDF is still the most popular e-book format despite being inferior to ePub
Completely different, almost polar opposite use cases in the field of document presentation.
Also ePUB is complete ass just like every other ebook format.

>>105638482
Youtube uses opus and AAC, not mp3

>>105639523
The average person doesn’t know or care about that especially people who either pay for premium or download mp3 straight from a youtube link. Not that it matters since opus and AAC do not sound any better than mp3 320kbps. The same applies to spotify premium.

>>105639910
Yeah, because opus is almost transparente at 192kbps, you don't need to go to 320kbps. The point is reducing file size or improving quality when there is limited bandwidth.
Just because people don't care about technology it doesn't mean it is acceptable to not support newer file formats.

>>105639994
Just because they are newer doesn't make them better or worthy of support.

>>105637295
unless you're hitting some extremely niche use case where VBR is not supported, there's no reason to use CBR.

>>105639994
>just because people don't care about thing, doesn't mean it is acceptable to not support thing
lmao that's like the best reason there is

>>105638729
No

>>105638936
She is black so it's okay

>>105640219
Feel free to be wrong. I know I'm right because I've actually tried it.

>>105637210 (OP)
My ear cant detect more than 30fps.

>>105637210 (OP)
Turning audio into shit is not "working". Lossy audio compression is a crime against humanity. And those responsible for its invention will boil in excrement for eternity.

>>105638586
she must not have updated her os in a long time

>>105637210 (OP)
I still use MP3 for my car and mp3 player, even though my car supports AAC and my mp3 player supports FLAC.

>>105638964
You're right, the other anon is wrong. At the same time in 2025 using V0 or 320 isn't ridiculous unless you're a poorfag storagelet. My phone has 256GB of storage and I load it up with 320k AAC files. I encode them myself from FLAC which is what I store everything in on my hard drives. My wife's phone has 128GB internal storage and a 128GB SD card. I installed the refreezer app on her phone so she can download 320k mp3s from Deezer. The real tards are the poorfags who insist on having everything in low bitrate opus because it's the most efficient or the wasteful people who insist on lossless (outside of streaming with unlimited data) on portable devices.

>>105640333
You can't ABX it. If you are you're in the extreme minority. I still won't believe you if you tell me you are.

>>105640008
I agree, but opus is literally better

>>105640611
It's more efficient but there's way less support. Also I don't want to resample everything to 48khz.

>>105640498
Lossy audio causes cumulative brain damage. Also ABX tests don't take into account the fact that you hallucinate the missing details. A proper ABX test would need to verify correctness of perception.

>>105640921
>Also ABX tests don't take into account the fact that you hallucinate the missing details.
I can't believe that ABX testing doesn't take into account all of the shit that your human ears can't hear.

>>105639260
I never see pdf outside of office documents or legal stuff.

>>105639260
I already basically said this in my other posts but I think I should make it more clear. Optimization is not a problem for users of lossy audio in 2025. We are not storing our files on iPods with mini hard drives with 20-40GB storage on them anymore. Compatibility is more of a concern. There's also the issue of acquiring the content in the first place. Where are you going to rip opus files from for free, YouTube? You'll probably find those sound shittier than if you encoded to opus from FLAC yourself. That's not true for the sources of 320k mp3s out there. So if you want it done right you need to source lossless files and encode it yourself, which means you need to be fucking autistic like me. Even though 320k mp3 is not what I use myself I think it's the most obvious choice. Universal playback support. Even the shittiest old device that struggles with VBR mp3s will handle it. Yet it's not excessively large. An album would come out to around 150-200mb. If that's too much for you I think you're stuck 20 years in the past and it's time to move on.

>>105640948
You didn't go to school?
Plus if you say you never ser PDFs it is because you don't read anything, scientific articles/theses are published in PDF, in arXiv everything is in PDF (alongside the LaTeX), and books in general are in PDF, for example ser marxists.con, there are a lot of PDFs, or like the most common formar in Anna's Archive are PDFs
You could try to read more

>>105640333
Why would I need lossless format if i want to keep some local library on my phone and listen through wireless shit?
Losless - long-term storage and preservation; lossy - casual usage. Those who could hear some huge difference are bullshiting themselves.

>>105637210 (OP)
>What went so right with 320kbps CBR MP3's?
piracy

>>105642022
Lossy audio causes cumulative damage to the brain and soul. Also, millions of pieces of music and other content have been permanently lost due to lossy audio. Possession of hardware or software capable of encoding lossy audio should be illegal. And willful and informed use of lossy compression should carry the death penalty.

>>105642022
The other reply to you is retarded. Disregard it. I keep lossless files because 240-400mb for an album on a hard drive is not excessive. Having lossless files gives me the option to encode the files that go onto my phone exactly as I see fit. If I want to replace them at some point or make encodes to send to my friends or whatever I can. It's about holding onto something that's archival grade while adopting a pragmatic solution (lossy encodes) for my phone where I have less storage.

>>105642245
And that's kinda my point, with only exception of being lazy to encode. The "total lossy death" mindset is stupid.

>>105642397
https://eu.qobuz.squid.wtf/ is one way I'd suggest getting your music, you can choose 320k mp3 in the settings and it will encode from the flac source for you.

I'll be honest once storage no longer became an issue mp3 lost all point to me

>>105639260
Whay eld do you need to do with nex format. Your just ready something wtf you retard

>>105642723
what did you start using instead? uncompressed WAVs? compatibility is a major advantage of mp3

>>105637295
because people are retarded and think higher number = better
v0 not only is like 30% less file size on average, it's actually also higher quality (as shown by some abx tests on hydrogen audio), this is because vbr allows slightly bigger frame sizes than 320k cbr when needed.
>inb4 compatibility
using mp3 at all is already overkill in that regard, aac-lc just werks on any device made after 2004 already.

>>105638586
>i phones also can't
iphones can play opus natively just fine
...as long as it's encoded in apple's caf container
:)

>>105640619
>Also I don't want to resample everything to 48khz.
this fucking shit again? how many times do we have to repeat this?
But won't the resampler hurt the quality? Isn't it better to use 44.1 kHz directly?
Not really. The quality degradation caused by any reasonable resampler (SoX, libspeexdsp, libsamplerate, ...) is far less than the distortion caused by the best lossy codec at its highest bitrate. If you can't tolerate the quality degradation caused by a good 44.1 48 kHz resampler, then you shouldn't be using a lossy codec in the first place. Similarly, the extra CPU spent in the resampler is small compared to the rest of the codec. Not only that, but many soundcards only support 48 kHz on playback, so players can directly play the output rather than resample it to 48 kHz (e.g. for a 44.1 kHz MP3). So effectively, Opus is only shifting the burden of resampling from the decoder side to the encoder side.

One advantage of supporting only one internal rate is that it makes it possible for Opus to support many features, including efficient speech compression (through SILK) and real-time applications. It also means all the quality tuning effort can be spent on a single configuration, which helps bring even better quality.

kys retard

>>105639260
optimized for what?
if you're optimizing for broad usability and user experience, it's really fucking hard to beat formats that every toaster has supported for three decades.

>>105647400
>it's really fucking hard to beat formats that every toaster has supported for three decades.
aac-lc has been supported by every toaster for three decades as well, barely any newer than mp3, barely any less compatibility, while 2x more efficient on average (even more when using a good quality encoder like apple's qaac), and also technically better sound quality even when compared to v0/cbr 320k (only applies to audiophools of course, but abx tests do show this)
there's 0 reason to still use mp3.

>>105647400
Why the hell do you care about old shitboxes in 2025? All the old shitboxes should support flac, ogg and aac already

>thread about the staying power of a particular codec
>devolves into people making arguments about lossy audio quality
you niggers are unreal.
YES THERE IS A MATHEMATICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOSSY AND LOSSLESS AUDIO YES WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ENCODER THROWS INFORMATION AWAY LOSSLESS TECHNICALLY SOUNDS BETTER WE GET IT.

>>105648868
If I load flac, ogg, or aac files onto a SD card and put it into my car stereo they aren't gonna play.

>>105649317
Why kind of shitty cheap stereo system are you using in your car? Even 10 year old cars were made with stock audio system with Bluetooth support

>>105638999 (checked)
>and you could easily add more channels to mp3 and call it mp4.
That'd still likely break compatibility with every mp3-playing device out there.

>>105637210 (OP)
You can get better quality with much lower bitrate with modern codecs.

>>105649592
That would have been a lot more useful 10-15 years ago. We have enough storage on portable devices now. Few people care about it anymore. As an aside I was using AI to analyze the arguments in this thread and every time it got to that one it was like WHAT ABOUT THE POOR PEOPLE IN INDIA? Lmao seriously.

>>105649418
>implying a car less than 10 years old is the standard
lol

>>105637210 (OP)
>mp3
>good
lol, lmao even

>>105650414
It's good enough tbqh

>>105650443
In present year? It was good enough in 2010 still, but man things has changed. opus, aac and in general lossless audio like flac. Don't tell me you need to compress your music to fit on 256MB zune? For livestreaming mp3 is useless, for storage just use flac.

>>105639260
epub is fucking dogshit and reading books on a device still sucks dick compared to physical

>>105650462
>aac
At high bitrates comparable to mp3. I use AAC but pretending like mp3 is somehow worse because AAC performs better than mp3 at lower bitrates, when if you're not impoverished you probably not going to use lower bitrates... Not really an argument worth making.
>opus
>Don't tell me you need to compress your music to fit on 256MB zune
I mean seriously this suggestion combined with this argument. It doesn't make sense. See pic related where I mentioned earlier deepseek lecturing me for discounting all the poorfags in India and Brazil with 64gb phones lmao. It's a solution in search of a problem really.
>lossless audio like flac
I keep FLAC on my hard drives at home. I don't take it with me on my phone.

>>105650462
my car only supports mp3. my other car not even that, just music cds

>>105650493
I bet your car was not produced in present year. Also I don't know if my car can even do music. I use android auto.

>>105649762
It was. Vorbis was released in 2000, and Opus in 2012.

>>105651134
Yet nobody really cared. They found niches. Like Vorbis being used by games and by Spotify. Opus being used in VOIP applications like Skype and by YouTube now. For most people mp3 is good enough and does what they want it to do. They don't need to explore other options.