Here is your based and redpilled xlibre dev, bro:

>>105638286 (OP)
I've made the same mistake before. Happens to the best of us. I am pretty stupid though so maybe this guy is too.

>>105638286 (OP)
He should have banned those people.

>>105638286 (OP)
So? He made a misstake and it was fixed.
There far bigger projects that make misstakes and ignore the community patches

>>105638334
>>105638385
you guys dont realize how big and critical xserver is. Xservers handles EVERYTHING and is remotely accessible, a tiny bug can be the reason your computer gets compromised. If the leader of the fork doesn't know the basics how is he expected to maintain this project? Xserver is kernel-sized can you imagine if Linus made such a mistake, was confronted about it and claimed he doesn't see the problem?

>>105638416
lol, this troll rants always hold Torvalds as some type of god.

>>105638416
Oh no a typo in the development repo of a software that hasn't even been released yet!
I see this all the time. Stuff like this happens in the kernel, most desktop environments, important libraries. People who aught to be geniuses on something confuse one thing for another but assume it's fine because it passes testing. This is why we have version control.
The fact this was caught before release and Enricho can admit he made such a stupid mistake is the perfect way to handle things and I trust him fully. Compare this to Redhat having a tantrum over his personal beliefs and rejecting actual fixes in the process making it worse for everyone still running RH X11.

>>105638543
>a typo
kek

I get the acceptance of his humility but this is one of the first few basics of C.

C has very few operators to begin with and this is extremely concerning in that he has likely never used bitshifts of XOR before, which speaks for his skill and experience as a programmer.

>>105638286 (OP)
Truly the kind of person you should trust with the most security sensitive application running on your system. kek

>>105638611
>a typo
you seem actually retarded.

>>105638286 (OP)
and he is still smarter than any redhat employee

>>105638681
They were the ones letting his merges in, so these people who are in charge of wayland are no better than him. Take that as you will.

>>105638416
I don't think most people's personal x servers are remotely accessible as easily as you say.

>>105638416
no jeet and or jew i dont care to replace someone you dont like because it might compramise YOUR business. my data isn't as critical so I dont care. enjoy your lawsuits. this is a cage of your own making, you didnt have to structure everything around SAS and prism observation along with hyper legal trollsuits. this was your bed, now lay in it moshe.

>>105638651
he mostly uses asm

>>105638611
I'm actually in favor in rejecting pull requests from someone who doesn't know ^ is the xor operator, yes.

>>105638286 (OP)
this screenshot has been posted so many times can you fags find something else to talk about? literally anything?

>>105638286 (OP)
given how the freedesktop people were protecting the master branch like its some kind of sacred tomb, he doesn't even need to write any code, he just has to accept merge requests and let people sort it out for him. lol.

>>105638611
>>105638708
>"here at XLibre we HATE DEI, we work based on MERIT only"
>lead doesn't know the difference between ^ and xor
here's your merit-based software chuddie. I'll stick to the DEI ones, but have fun with the soon-to-come CVEs!

>>105638671
Yes. It would be different if he was pushing something that didn't pass tests or a genuinely terrible implementation that hinders development/usability in some way, but it's just a confusion with how the XOR operator works.
The only valid criticism is maybe he should let other core devs review his PRs too, make it so no one can push directly. Again I've seen this type of thing in literally every software.
>>105638723
Redhat trannies are sweating now that people know they're responsible for more than just a wholesome enterprise distro.

>>105638751
>it's just a confusion with how the XOR operator works.
that's not a typo then
goes back to what >>105638651 said

>>105638742
you basing your business model around goylem based free software being shit isn't my problem

>>105638751
today it's XOR
tomorrow it's use-after-free
>forgets null checks
>https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/58
>half-asses everything
>https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/61

>>105638710
If so, that's somewhat understandable if he's never touched C.
But could you link to some of his asm PRs then?

Also a Display server like X should be as platform agnostic and portable as possible. So if he does contribute as much as he's said to, all in asm(presumably x86/64), that's also mildly concerning.

>>105638768
Yes, it is :|
He used one number instead of another. It passes testing so he assumed it was fine. I've seen this before it's not some kind of profound retardation, it was a mistake he was quick to correct.

>>105638768
I don't think he's primarily a C developer, hes a maintainer for some gpio drivers and some SBC driver , guessing he mainly does embedded firmware or something like that. I took a look at his old website for his company and it says they did embedded linux development

>>105638742
The original purpose of DEI wasn't hiring underqualified "diverse" people over qualified white dudes, it was not hiring underqualified white dudes over qualified "diverse" people

>>105638810
Not understanding how a language works =/= making a typo.
You are either ESL or just trying to whitewash this because you recognize that it is concerning and it makes Enricho look bad.

>>105638810
there's a difference between
>haha I didn't notice it
and
>what do you mean? ^ is the power operator
the second shows clear lack of C knowledge

>>105638800
That null check looks to be a 10 year old bug. But yeah I think that's the second time I've seen him misuse sizeof on a pointer.

>>105638859
>The entire C language is an XOR operator

>>105638892
It's an extremely important operator

>>105638898
I honestly don't remember the last time I had to use it.

Why do we never see the same level of scrutiny for any other developer? This really didn't need a thread.

>>105638921
You don't get it bro he used the XOR operator wrong on a development branch for a software that's not even released yet!
You're going to get hacked doxed and raped if you even look at the XL*bre logo!!

>>105638921
Because his politics agree with the most inept posters on this board so half the threads are trying to shill XLibre and how based it is and the other half are trying to baiting his shills to get them mad and defend him against any criticism, no matter what it is.

>>105638921
Because his politics agree with the most inept posters on this board. So half the threads are trying to shill XLibre and how 'based' it is. The other half are baiting his shills to get them to seethe and defend him against any criticism, no matter what it is.

>>105638989
We shill him because he's against political agendas in FOSS. Go back.

>>105639005
>We shill him because he's against political agendas in FOSS.
So you don't give a shit about the quality of his code? That explains it all then. Thanks for admitting it at least.
>FOSS is not political
This is a ridiculous statement, FOSS started as an Ideology, it still is one whether you like it or not.

>>105638850
The original purpose was to push Whites out of the professional/tech market by Indians and Jews you disingenuous or naive faggot.

>>105638416
xlibre hasn't even out yet.

>>105639051
>So you don't give a shit about the quality of his code?
Adhom
>This is a ridiculous statement, FOSS started as an Ideology, it still is one whether you like it or not.
Ideologies can be non-political :|
Like environmentalism has nothing to do with democratic representation. People like you are the most insufferable humans on the planet.

>>105639076
>xlibre hasn't even out yet.
About 70% of posters on /g/ are Indian.

>>105639058
You are also wrong, the point of DEI was twofold: to allow elites to virtue signal, and to pander to idiots on social media based on the mistaken belief that social media reflects real life. It's a cargo cult.
Jeets actually run afoul of anti-discrimination law on a regular basis. More than one company has been sued because unless forced otherwise, jeets will literally only hire other jeets.

>>105639077
>Like environmentalism has nothing to do with democratic representation.
This is not what defines something as 'political'.
And the fact that there are plenty of people, including politicians who are for anti-environmentalist policy indicates that Environmentalism can, and is political.
Companies will pollute unless you force them to not pollute. That's also a part of environmentalism.
Same with FOSS. Proprietary software would be the standard if big corporate players had their way, Microsoft did not want FOSS to exist and fought against it, is Microsoft apolitical and a non-political entity?
I'm not trying to be rude to you, i really recommend thinking about this stuff because things don't exist in a vacuum that is somehow not informed and affected by other things happening in the world.

>>105639077
>Like environmentalism has nothing to do with democratic representation.
This is not what defines something as 'political'.
And the fact that there are plenty of people, including politicians who are for anti-environmentalist policy indicates that Environmentalism can be, and is political.
Companies will pollute unless you force them to not pollute. That's also a part of environmentalism.
Same with FOSS. Proprietary software would be the standard if big corporate players had their way, Microsoft did not want FOSS to exist and fought against it, is Microsoft an apolitical entity?
I'm not trying to be rude to you, i really recommend thinking about this stuff because things don't exist in a vacuum that is somehow not informed and affected by other things happening in the world.

>>105638913
I do, a lot, as a selective NOT operation/bitflipping

>>105638800
Should just rewrite it in rust. Can't trust c developers.

>>105639110
You are wasting your time. When retards use the word "politics" they just mean "thing I don't like".

>>105638800
he didn't write either of those.
do you guys know how git works?

>>105639110
I knew you'd try to justify my example. But that's a very childish and 2 dimensional mindset.
You can have fascist environmentalists or you can have democratic environmentalists. There are corporations that take advantage of FOSS like Redhat, and even Microsoft to an extent, then there are corporations that go out of their way to give users a degree of freedom in proprietary products like Valve.
Even if we do go with your very rigid view of FOSS, Redhat's politics are more aligned with those of corporations trying to take advantage of the user than grant them more freedom.

>>105638850
DEI is a neolib butcher solution to a perceived "issue" on the same vein of affirmative action: you see a disproportion of demographic in a specific field so you put a barrier to adjust the distribution over time. This is thought having a nebulous concept of "free market regulating itself" in mind however in reality doesn't fucking work because ignores reality: there aren't enough "diverse" elements to fill the required quota and never will be because there's no driving force to make this happen exactly because of quota practices (that in order to be fulfilled they need to lower the bar over and over again in time). In short is peak self-destructive boomerism at work, no amount of "b-but the real intent was [thing]" can change that you fucking retard.

>>105639051
>quality of his code?
nobody is forcing you to use it sister

>>105638286 (OP)
i think its pretty common to write something (in this case obviously he is confusing c with maths) wrong, and even when you test and observe a bug, just to stare at it and not have it click that its wrong. thats why rubber duck programming exists, it's far too easy to read and accept without thinking while debugging and why peer review is so important because its a breakout of your own head space.
even when someone explains it maybe your preconcept of whats going on tricks you when reading too quickly.
its both extremely common and embarrassing.

>>105639181
I swear these people are so out of touch. Like the few people ik who unironically say this woke shit IRL are late millenials/gen X.
Redhat shills ITT act like they're fighting the system when they bootlick corporations that agree with their shitty politics.
>>105639196
kek this too
If they had nothing to fear these threads wouldn't be necessary.

I need some kind of x server at work and if he is the only one to step up to maintaining it Idc it's better than nothing.
the irony of all of this is that whenever I have to switch to librex11 or whatever he's calling it, it will still work better for my application than xwayland which is unusable.

>>105638699
it's true, x over ssh is actually a hassle now because of how de-remoted it's been made since the 90s. still, the developer should probably at least have a handle on core language operators if they're going to work on a display server with any hopes of being production ready

FREETARDS BTFO HAHAHAHAH

>>105640469
But there's some sort of disconnect, the RedHat people are thinking of corporate customers, the people using X are probably regular users and behind a NAT or something. That stuff doesn't matter as much. That's why it's important to NOT have everyone using the same shit, options are good.

>>105639171
>he didn’t write those

>>105642979
So that's a no.

>>105643012
Lack of reading comprehension or straight up copium?

xlibre = based
wayland = gay

simple as

>>105638286 (OP)
>mathlet, codelet wants to be in charge of forking a graphics server
jfc

>>105643018
on the master branch whoever merges the pull request shows up as the commiter.
if you go into the original pull request you can see the actual author.
I don't know why github works like that. it's a bit weird.

the nice part about opensource, is that if he is being retarded, other people can point it out and he can correct his mistakes, he seems amicable enough, so I don't see why this matters.

>>105638850
DEI's sole purpose is to hurt Whites nigger

>>105638286 (OP)
Seethe redtroon

Do I look like I know what an xor is?

Made a mistake, got corrected, wasn't a dick about it, and fixed the issue.
I'm not seeing the problem here...

>>105643395
>I don't know why github works like that
it happens when the maintainer performs a squash merge, that's not a github specific thing
either way the guy is both a committer and an author of that specific commit

>>105643690
it is a github specific thing because the commit in master is being authored by github, not by any user.
also, with the two github alternatives I've used, they both would carry forward the real commit's author no matter what merge type you pick.

>>105638850
Why create a "solution" for a situation that statistically never happens?

>>105643679
He's spearheading a project on a massive C codebase and doesn't know even the basics of writing C. Like I get not knowing about the xor operator, it doesn't come up all that much. But blithely assuming that ^ must be the exponent is a level of retardation far beyond that. This isn't even a one off thing, he made other similarly fundamental mistakes in other places.

>>105643679
It's not just a mistake its lack of basic knowledge

>>105643809
he had a retard moment, allow it. you have them more than he does i bet

>>105643785
then don't use it. wayland is generally usable.

>>105643844
What's with retards on /g/ saying "just don't use it"? Nigger I'll use whatever I fucking want. I'm here to discuss technology, not pick out the latest gadget to consoom.

>>105643785
>>105643809
Do you guys not understand the sheer volume of mistakes that slip through cracks in every open source project everyday? I see shit get reverted all the time. We get it. You're trans. You run on emotions.

>>105643905
See>>105643809

What languages even use ^ as exponention?
A quick search only shows J, Julia, Lua and Mathematica

>>105638416
Linus can't even represent the number of genders he believes in with 32 bits

>>105643958
human languages. metux has an eng bsc and was probably just mentally tired from fending off red hat elements

>>105643878
then use it

>>105638286 (OP)
so it was caught before it reached production, what's the big deal

>>105643809
I bet he is a fast learner. I'm not worried

>>105643958
I think its just a brain fart honestly, the guy has to be pushing ~60

the disagreements run deep
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-June/015591.html
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-March/013921.html

found some evidence of competency
https://gcc.gnu.org/legacy-ml/gcc-help/2011-03/msg00059.html

also some lols
https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2004-April/000459.html

>you can't just fork open source software!!!
>you are not competent!!!

oh fuck, he's ACTUALLY retarded.

the amount of jeet RH shills itt is concerning

>redpilled
Literal brain damage.

Lmao linux desktop is truly destroying himself.

>>105638385
^ not being pow is something you learn like in the first month of programming fucking moron

>>105644776
it's what they're paid to do. everybody knows redhat doesn't really do much nowadays

>>105643958
I honestly would make the same mistake due to familiarity with Lua. I'm used to ^ being an exponentiation operator and absolutely wouldn't expect it to be a bitwise operation. If I were to write it and it were to compile, I wouldn't think twice.

>>105644823
I've been programming for 15 years and the ^ operator to me is pow, so speak for yourself

Yes, let's just say Enrico is bad developer for the sake of the argument. It's still better than the status quo because he is open to being corrected and accepts PRs from the community. Just don't run the master development branch and wait for releases.

>>105645280
What languages do you use?

>>105645315
Lua is my most used language, followed by JavaScript, Python, and C

Funny that this whole thread is just chuds saying "no big deal" but if ebussy did that they would be calling him retarded and gnome doomed

>>105638416
>Xservers handles EVERYTHING
No, just drawing windows.

>and is remotely accessible
Yours may be, but that's just because you're a fuckup who can't into -nolisten tcp.

>>105645292
If he is a bad developer why did the freedesktop guys merge hundreds of his commits in the past year or two? How are we supposed to trust those guys since they are the ones working on wayland as well?

>>105645365
well yeah claims about him being a bad developer pretty clearly fail apart if you don't also assert that xorg maintainers are dumb for merging his crap

>>105638850
reddit was NOT ready for this hot lil trvkky

Well he might not be the best C programmer, but his attitude seems OK and he's probably capable of learning. Who else is going to try and maintain x11, after all?

>>105645447
Never seen OpenBSD fuck up this badly maintaining Xenocara. He has no excuse.

>>105645913
So, what u gonna do about it?

>>105645920
Eat popcorn and watch you monkeys sling shit at each other.

>>105644776
We're reaching /pol/ levels of shillery.

>>105645913
This is not true in the slightest. OpenBSD developers fuck up all of the time. But thanks to there being a lot of people in the community checking diffs and giving advice bugs like this are generally caught before they get anywhere near current snapshots. Never mind how scrutinized everything gets again before it gets shipped as stable.

People fuck up all of the time. The difference between something like this example and most other "developers" for major projects is he was willing to admit his mistake and fix it. Instead of defending it like a retard. The only people I trust are people willing to admit mistakes.

I once fucked up badly and shipped out a piece of code with '=' instead of '==' within an if condition. It was a stupid typo but thanks to the language I was using the error passed right through and the software worked as intended most of the time. It wasn't caught for weeks until someone actually managed to hit the one trip through the loop where it caused an issue. He reported it, I admitted my dumb mistakes caused by writing code on no sleep for 3 days at 4am in the morning. I shipped out a patch+bumped release to 1.0.1 within an hour or so. Most people didn't even notice and lots of people still run the buggy original release because even 25 years later they refuse to update since the original release
>just werks.

You people can fear monger and cry all you want. Even if he couldn't write code at all having him in charge of the repo is much better than what we had before. You're not going to convince anyone that our machines are going to be exploited because
>muh spooky X server can connect to the internet
when most people have that disabled without even being aware of it. Since no one has shipped Xorg with networking support enabled in decades now. It's only turned on by people that still need it and it still works fine. Plus there is a lot of room for improvement on that front that I'm looking forward to seeing happen in an active fork.

>>105645343
If ebussy did the same we wouldn't care. He probably has. It's about how you treat others that matters. RH is getting what they deserve.
I mean the fact RH has to shill so hard on this board only makes them look worse than before.

>>105645155
>>105646505
I wonder if eBussy is in this thread.

>>105638286 (OP)
I said this before, if people bothered to do research, the guy literally doesn't know how to code.

>>105646782
but the statues

>>105638710
>>105638804
>he mostly uses asm
I find it surprising that an assembly programmer hasn't touched C before. I think most people get into "lower level" higher level languages before getting into actual low-level assembly languages. There's a C to asm pipeline, but the asm to C pipeline hasn't been open since the '80s.

>>105646835
If you're a schizo retard it might still be a thing. I don't know, I have extreme doubt of anything this guy delivers or has delivered.

>>105646835
you can find posts from him in the 90s on various open source software projects. guessing hes between 50 and 65 years old

>>105638286 (OP)
Keep with your FUD, but you only need to enter Linux' help forums to realize that most problems reported there are Wayland related.

>>105643996
kek

>>105638385
There is a strong correlation between people who put spaces before question marks and being a know-nothing idiot.

>>105647254
hes not a native english speaker

>>105647254
life must be very dull if you presume to know everything there is to know about a person on such simple matters at any time

>>105638850
That's just completely wrong. It is literally in the name--Diversity, ***Equity***, Inclusion. Equity != Equality. Accordingly, most DEI advocates are anti-merit and believe in equality of outcome, not equality of opportunity. For most companies, it was just race/gender-based hiring quotas under a different name, anyway--which, again, has nothing to do with actual merit.

>>105638286 (OP)
>3k+ commits
>scrutinize 1 mistake

It's over... we should just all switch to gayland now

>>105638286 (OP)
> oouuh you caught me
> I tip my fedora while shifting away to the corner while looking at your feet, mlady

>>105638850
except that was already a law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

>>105638850
>>105648684
DEI is illegal in the US

>>105639171
>>105638651
Wait till you see how often he force-pushes to master.

>>105645315
Most common programming language I use is the one in my calculator desu and it uses ^ as the exponentiation operator.

>>105648124
IKR. They act like he wasn't Xorg's top contributor with tons of merged PRs for the past decade.

>>105638416
i just don't think it's a big deal is all.

>>105651916
>past decade
>first commit was in 2024
>bump a dead thread to blatantly lie

>>105652000
you forgot to bump the thread silly, i gotchu

>>105638286 (OP)
I don't see the issue here. he aknowledged and fixed it pretty fast. everyone makes mistakes and that seems like a pretty easy to make mistake, since in almost every other situation, the "^" symbol is used for powers
>>105638416
>you guys dont realize how big and critical xserver is
you aren't gonna use xlibre on an important machine anyway, at least not right now. it is not released yet, and they are still working on it. if you're gonna be using something that isn't ready yet, you should expect things breaking. just open an issue or MR if you find bugs
I found a bug and opened an issue a couple days ago and it's supposedly fixed now (still waiting on Artix to package the new commits for now), so they're reacting to issues quickly at least

>>105645343
nobody would fucking care kek. we don't make fun of ebussy for his code, we make fun of him because he's a genuine retard, and acts holier than thou despite being a retard. I've never looked at his code or any code in GNOME and still make fun of him because his replies are often worth making fun of
Enrico on the other hand actually tries to fix it and make x11 progress instead of repeating "use case?" on loop like a drooling incestuous retard and removing features with every release

>>105645343
Yes, my opinion of mistakes depends highly on who is making them.

>>105638800
The first one is a bug in xorg server that he didn't do. It was fixed in xlibre, not xorg server.

>>105652000
hes been around longer than that ,but he hasn't been active for a very long time, commit history is probably borked from the migration to gitlab.
see
>>105644506

>>105645343
nobody cares about ebussi's commits, they care about his "what's the usecase?" meme of rejecting useful stuff.

>>105638416
ok dude, just send him a fix

>>105648124
this should be the logo

>>105643996
What's funny is that there's no reason to believe in any more than three genders, as any beyond the binary sex genders are just some variation of non-binary with a stupid name.

https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/-/merge_requests/59#note_101015
so it looks like enrico has been meeting resistance on xfce originally, and then xorg, and despite , dunno why olivier (redhat and long time X contributor) doesnt like him so much, but it explains why he was pushed out of the xorg stuff, they basically hate him and started refusing code for a long time, even if users wanted it.

>>105645343
>My music players doesn't support files
Yeah ebussy is such a great programmer

>>105659263
who is this guy anyways?

>>105659504
he is the creator of Xfce

>>105658358
kek I don't think M$ would like that

>>105659513
ah but he's on red hats payroll

>>105659544
honestly the more I read about this whole fiasco, the more it feels like people in charge of the xserver embody "old man yells at cloud" " get off my lawn"

these 2 reverts lead me to believe that that they should have known enrico was going to break shit and have to clean it up later, wonder what changed.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/2020
>We are not going forward with Enrico's plan to "clean up the wrapping jungle" and are restoring the wrapping in the one area he'd removed it.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/merge_requests/2027
> peter: handwavy LGTM, I think some of these could be in private headers but that requires more time (and dedication to testing) than anyone has access to...
>alan: Agreed, which is why I'd merged so many of Enrico's changes in the first place, before we discovered how many problems they caused.

>>105659611
The only thing it has proven to me is the IBM's desire for complete control of the Linux ecosystem.

>>105638659
true
>recognized he was wrong based on user feedback
>fixed the problem

>>105638286 (OP)
>>105638416
the reason the argument is annoying is because the guy mad a syntactic mistake between the pow and xor operation tokens, but the jeetroons expect you to extrapolate that into the completely orthogonal issue of semantic comprehension.

LOL@all the retards that showed up with @gmail.com email addresses attempting to concern troll about Xenocara's future on the mailing lists of OpenBSD.

>>105660703
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=174999215709322&w=2

Could you faggots please learn how to set up your mail correctly before shitting all over the mailing lists? Thanks.
>Retard posting HTML to list promoting wayland and concern trolling about "X being hard code to maintain"
>Retard posting about e-celeb and politics
FUCK OFF

From now on I'm never mentioning OpenBSD project here again. Go ruin whatever linux distro you're using and FreeBSD. Leave us alone.

>>105659263
jesus why is that dude such an asshole for literally no reason

>>105660957
There's something about working at Redhat that turns you into a complete fuckwad. Or maybe they only hire fuckwads in the first place.

>>105638286 (OP)
self taught devs shouldn't be allowed to call themselves devs. They are retail slaves with internet access.

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/tags

initial release is out

>>105660703
the html shitting up the conversation

https://www.freelists.org/post/xlibre/Fwd-You-have-been-unsubscribed-from-the-xorgdevel-mailing-list

kek those people over at FreeDesktop are so gawd damn petty they unsubscribed him from their mailing list.

>>105638742
>>lead doesn't know the difference between ^ and xor
By posting this you show you don't either.

i havent updooted X since all this shit because the trannies in charge cannot be trusted to not have tampered with it somehow. its terrorism.

>>105666710
Oh fuck Freedesktop. Why does Firefox insist on creating XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR all the time, even if tell it not to save them there. Fixed it by setting the XDG user directories, but what the hell, this doesn't need to exist.

Yawn