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>fell for the hd 650 meme
>can hear every little sound through open backs
>mids sound veiled
>zero bass
>ears hurt from touching the inner cup
what is an actual good midrange headphone to buy?
>>105640261 (OP)hd580 (I still have mine from 15 years ago, they’re still great)
you bought a bass light open back headphone and are surprised that it's bass light and open back?
>>105640261 (OP)There are no good headphones in any price range.
>>105640261 (OP)Just get a speaker.
>>105640261 (OP)>headcopesJust get speakers
>>105640261 (OP)>can hear every little sound through open backsby design, you can really only blame yourself for this
dt 770 pro x. though they get a bit toasty in summer if you don't have AC
>>105640261 (OP)>buy secondhand air pods for $40 because Walmart has retarded return policy and the lady never even wore them>they work fine because I'm not a pretentious faggot with more money than sense
>>105640261 (OP)>>105640265>>105640799Isn’t it weird how the headphone movement (occasionally called a “hobby”) still clings to these things? It’s been 30 years. They act like a cult with how you’re not allowed to criticize the HD6X0 series. Even Sennheiser has upgraded these, but people are still stuck with Stockholm syndrome. What happened? Is consumer technology just dead?
>>105640849>>105640261 (OP)>>105640265>>105640317do I need any of these if I already have audio technica ath-m50 headphones plugged into my sound blaster z se
>>105640929good headphones stay good, simple as.
audio doesn't suffer from obsolescence.
a good headphone will be forever a good headphone.
>>105640849>dt 770if you own these and think they sound good, you're opinion on audio means nothing
they have terrible bass, mids, and treble
>>105640929new headphones are shit and always worse than old ones
maybe it's different in iem world
>>105640265this but specifically the OG marble countertop version
I love my HD 650s. Zero regrets about buying them.
complaining about openbacks mean you either live in a favela or are a full blown hsp aspie
How do these compare to my HD 560s
I love the "veil" it makes music buttery smooth, I can listen to music for hours on end with zero fatigue, it just sounds good forever.
HD650 could be even warmer for my tastes
>>105643001Sadly the tiny thin wire in one driver somehow broke. You used to be able to buy replacement drivers but now they don't seem to sell them. Sennheiser only wants me to send them in for repair which will probably be super expensive. I'm just gonna get something else.
>>105640261 (OP)Personally, I'm quite pleased with these ones...
>>105640261 (OP)>mids sound veiledWhat the fuck are you talking about?
>>105643953Same. To me the so called veil sounds natural, like instruments near me would sound, while most other headphones sound shrill and exaggerated in the highs
I think people who like HD650s listen to things louder. The "veil" isn't really there at higher volumes.
>>105644187I don't, I listen at low volumes. I genuinely just like a warm sound signature.
I hear the "veil" the thing with a veil is though that it only really stands out when you A-B compare it against headphones with more treble, that's the one instance where extra treble becomes preferable because detail "pops" more but as far as actual listening goes a warmer sound is never an issue.
>>105644187I'm not sure if I listen that loudly. My apartment's fairly quiet most of the time.
>>105642131>closed backugh, I can just imagine the claustrophobic sound without even trying them
>>105644066Oh, they make ones with a detachable cable now? Nice.
>>105640261 (OP)they need a little EQ to sound a little better than 2nd gen airpod pros
>>105640563They look homosexual
>>105644314dt 900 pro x has always had a detachable cable, they are a completely different headphone than the 990 pro if that's what you meant
in that case, the 990 pro x just released like yesterday which on the other hand really is a new version of the 990 with a detachable cable.
>>105641635But good prices can become bad prices. Once upon a time, chinkfiman HE400s cost $500 and were compared favorably to HD650s. Now you can pick up unopened HE4XXs for around $100 and it's not considered a good deal, even though they sound the same or maybe a little better, the market has just advanced that far. Meanwhile, people are still recommending the same old shittheisers for triple the price because that's what everyone always recommended before.
>>105646268>implying you are only paying for sound qualityyeah the hifimans might be 400$ cheaper, but the sennheiser are a single purchase that lasts you 10-20 years, maybe even more.
hifimans will fall apart in 6 months
I've bought pic related like 10 years ago and they still work.
The extra bass part is bullshit but whatever, sounds good.
>>105645332Oh, I see. I guess I was thinking of the 990 I've seen. But that's nice it has a detachable cord too. And you prefer these to the hd650?
>>105647001>And you prefer these to the hd650?dunno, i'm not the same anon you originaly responded to, and i only use closed backs.
>>105646334Or you could pay $500 for something that's robust and actually sounds good instead of slopheisers.
>>105640261 (OP)>mids sound veiled>zero bassEQ is your friend, anon. Just use Oratory1990's EQ settings if you don't want to mess with it yourself.
Parametric EQ (use this if possible): https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/xvxpzge0ef6saobycor0q/Sennheiser-HD650.pdf?rlkey=ujn2aowc3r5kc74se2j9n9hqb
Graphic EQ: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3sf8pp9rxu1klic7wmm04/Sennheiser-HD650-10-Band-Graphic-EQ.pdf?rlkey=hm4ojtjc8tc6aczjk43qg826i
>>105647134I did that last night while making this thread and I didn't notice a single difference, like the changes aren't being applied. Should the volume change as I change the pre amp gain? I have sound enhancements enabled.
I only recently downgraded from win 10 to win 11 too.
I'm running them through a DX1 amp/dac.
>>105647191>preamp cutlol
>>105647231Negative preamp gain is normal with equalization, it's (mostly) to prevent clipping.
>>105647231that is what the redditcucks EQ settings called for
why do you disagree with him?
>>105640261 (OP)Let me guess, you're not using a headphone amp?
>>105640265based
>>105640929Bluetooth and changing the frequency response curve is not "improving" something.
>>105642981My marbling is pealing. I've had it since 2018.
>>105647243>boosting anything ever>>105647245it's bad practice on its own and it's doubly bad here because it's enabling an even worse practice
>>105644725The DT 1990 Pro Mk2 are very very good, can't speak for the original. IMO the Mk2 are better than the T1 and everything else in Beyer's current lineup.
>>105647276how is negatively effecting my listening experience right now?
>>105647191Something about that isn't right, the analysis panel shows a flat frequency response, like only the preamp gain is being applied. I honestly don't know how to help you troubleshoot that, since I used to use the Peace Equalizer interface for Equalizer APO, but I just got a new computer and haven't bothered to install either on there yet.
>>105647303thats because its looking at 'config.txt', if i switch it to current file it shows it
i assume it's not changing which config is loaded, just showing you how it would if you applied it
>>105647301you have increased the amount of signal which falls below the rendering floor of your headphones
>>105647191Download Peace, the interface is much better.
>>105647341i haven't noticed a difference
>>105640261 (OP)What the difference between those and the 660S?
>>105640929the technology of headphones hasn't really changed at all. Sure they make better fitting designs but the stuff inside is roughly the same.
Its solved.
>>105647419>Its solved.Just like IEMs were "solved" until the chinks improved them.
>>105647498the chinks try to with headphones but people here cry about hifiman and fiio (ft1 excluded) all the time
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I've had my HD 650 since ~2010 and they've been excellent. I was up/sidegrading headphones every few months until I bought them.
I have some other headphones when I want to hear heavy bass or need closed back, but for general use nothing beats the 650. Non-fatiguing sound, lightweight, comfortable- I wear them for hours at a time without any issues.
>>105647596just curious: how many sets of earpads did you go through in those 15 years?
>>105640261 (OP)Anon I have spent 30 years trying EVERY "decent" headphone to the tune of $$$. BD, Sony, Koss (even their electrodynamics with a Stax driver too), HiFiMan PMs, Takstar, Mr Headphone Aeon Pro, Audio Technia, and Koss toname a few.
Best overall?
Shure SRH-1540
>>105644760perfect for OP
>>105640261 (OP)Really depends on what you're trying to do. Love my beaten to fuck HD-25s when clarity is required but I prefer the cheapest possible JBL BT buds for music.
Spending +150 spondolis is a scam.
>>105640261 (OP)I bought this one a few days ago. Sound is good and unlike every other "studio monitor" headphone it doesn't hurt my ears after 6+ hours of use. Pretty happy with it. The only issue is you have to raise the audio levels a bit higher than what I was previously used to.
my shitty 9 dollar headphones get the job done. keep seething richfags.
>>105647134I didn't buy a $300 headphone to use a shitty EQ.
Might as well use Airpods at that point since they're way more convenient to use and carry.
>>105648188The sound on those is good, why the :^)?
They got pretty uncomfortable tho.
Jolly me you're technologically challenged and unable to use an equalizer?
>>105648195Every headphone needs EQ, you buy expensive headphones for less distortion. But there are cheaper headphones with less distortion so you still fucked up.
>>105647658I'm on my 4th set of earpads, second headband pad.
>>105648717yeah the stock pads keep collapsing.
i was thinking about buying dekonis fenestrated sheepskin pads for my hd 650s. good idea?
>>105647276>>105647341There's literally no difference between low shelf boost+negative preamp and high shelf cut without preamp. Also on windows you need at least -1dB preamp at all times because windows is shit like that
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/ending-the-windows-audio-quality-debate.19438/
>>105647276There is no difference between positive EQ with negative preamp and negative EQ with no preamp.
>>105648729>>105648717not him, but i also had 650 for 10+ years (more like 15) when you put in new earpads you have to apply so much pressure to snap them in that they're ruined from the getgo.
for me the cable broke like 4-5 times. i didn't treat the headphones with great care but you shouldn't have to treat headphones like delicate flowers. Sometimes you move in a way that the cable yanks at the connector. i think i finally got fed up and got a random chink cable instead and i think that lasted longer than the official ones lol.
>>105648812What's a good alternative to sennheiser then?
>>105640563Good headphones but the QC is so shit you're basically playing russian roulette every time you buy something from chinkfiman.
>>105649029Aune
>>105649029idk didnt say you should go for something else
i didn't (went for 660s)
>>105649029r70x to the 600 line
aeons if you have the money in your budget for them, especially used they are pretty much king for value
My favourite headphone is still the hd 800, but i can see why people have issues with the 600 line and don't become big sennheiser fans from it
>>105640929I've tried so many, then I decided HECK! why not? and bought the HD6XX which I believe are the HD650, best headphones I've ever had.
The sound is crisp and clean, and OP is just engagement farming.
Headphones are a solved problem, the rest is just like branded toothpaste, doesn't matter.
>>105651151wish i could get a hd800 but i have a cat who has tripped my headphones to the ground more than once
that would feel really fucking expensive, but at the same time music is music
>>105642131if you want to ruin your ears with sibilance and harshnes
>>105651177what op said is pretty accurate, especially if you listen to certain kinds of music. The 600 line is great if you aren't overly obsessed with audio and just want something that will last forever and is incredible value. They just tend to get over rated because of how often they get recommended for the prior reasons I listed, but they are still a good headphone and most people don't need anything more
>>105640261 (OP)Just buy speakers and blast it wherever, its what chads do
>>105640261 (OP)I love my HD6XXs, I'll never get rid of them. They may not be the best headphone, but they're the greatest headphone.
>>105652370What's this mod called, and what's it do?
I can believe headphone is a hobby
>>105651177Never listen to terminally online losers. Although they spend their entire lives searching for the pinnacle of [insert hobby], they've lost the spark of life and live every day as empty shells praying for the end of their miserable existence.
>>105640261 (OP)my 6xx (supposedly the same driver) is very amp dependent
switching to a little dot mkiii tube amp and a dac with a clean power source made the low end sound a lot richer, and especially the sub bass.
it sounds noticeably thinner when i power the dac with a phone charger instead, and i didnt believe it at first because i know theres a lot of snake oil in this business, but a clean source really does make a difference for that headphone
>>105652382it's for trannies
>>105640261 (OP)headphones just suck imo.
IEMs are better in almost everyway other than comfort.
>>105652475comfort is the most important thing though...
>>105652489iemfags are like women who wear heels, they will constantly live in pain and cause irreparable harm to their body just so other people can see them wearing them in public
>>1056523823D printed head suspension strap, 3D printed grille, ZMF earpads, Hart Audio balanced cable, and the copper(nickel plated) mass loading mod. The foam in the center let's me augment the bass response. No foam = +5dB bass. Solid, dense foam = flat bass.
>>105652527I appreciate the lengths you've gone to to modify the headphones, but the question still remains: do they really sound better than the way Adolf Sennheiser intended them to sound?
>>105652821Yeah, it sounds better.
>>105652475you are either ignorant or a lying chink. Regardles you are clearly wrong. If you are a poor 3rd worlder maybe there is a case for them, if you are a poor first worlder you can just buy used speakers for sub $100 that mog any iem ever made. Even headphones that people meme like the 6xx are infinitely better than 600$ iems despite what your cult says
>>105652875>you can just buy used speakers for sub $100 that mog any iem ever madeok. and where are you going to blast them, nigger? it's 2025, most people are wage cucks. this is reality whether you like it or not.
>>105652938>blast themthere is a middle ground where you aren't a colored gentlemen on a bus and have reasonable bookshelf speakers at acceptable volumes without a subwoofer.
If you literally cannot use anything besides headphone then just buy used, the 58x used is like 90-110 cad, the dt line is basically the same. used 6xx's are maybe $150 and used aeons are 300-400. Again if you are insanely poor and you have sub $100 on headphones go for it and give yourself hearing loss and canal pain with iems, but i don't see that as a reasonable option either
>>105652979I suppose i forgot to mention as well that there is an even poorer option to those that i suggested, and it's audio technica m40/50x used. I seen the 50s used for like $50 cad and the 40s even less than time, pretty fucking chinky feeling but still a good option if you have nothing else, pads are cheap and you can wrap the pleather headbands for almost nothing
>>105652875I agree, I prefer nice open cans over IEMs, but why you gotta throw 6xx under the bus? Name me a similarly prices set of cans that are better now.
>>105653103There isn't any, I included 6xx because it's reasonably priced and the main topic of this thread. It's the best value headphone i'm aware of, it just tends to be a bit overrated for actual audio quality than things better than it due to most people buying them and never trying anything in the tiers above it or saying things such as:
>>105652351Also had I put anything more expensive than them as the example iemcels would act like I was being unreasonable
>>105653347I haven't tried any stax yet. Some day I'm going to get some 009's but I have no place near me to demo any unfortunately. The best headphones I own are hd 800's
>>105640261 (OP)If you paid more than $50 for headphones, you got jew'd.
>>105640261 (OP)R70X, not even an ATH shill, but i got that Apos collab and it's insanely good. Just get different pads, I think that's the main benefit of the Apos collab variant other than the colorway.
>>105652475Speakers are even better for comfort thoughbeigt
>>105648712>Every headphone needs EQcope.
>>105644066God these are so fucking good, I recommend it to every pleb because they can be driven from literally anything. Mobo dac/amps still sound like piss tho.
>>105646268I had HD650s and used them daily for almost twenty years before one of the drivers began giving out
Got a pair of Hifiman H6es2's for cheap because "why not" and they are reviewed highly
Terrible dogshit, the headband squeaks and they are insanely heavy so you cannot wear them for more than an hour without fatigue
Bought a pair of HD660s and will try to sell my hifimans, although I doubt I will find a buyer ...
>>105653428I don't know how anyone can stand the stock pads on the R70X. I've got some 110/120mm brainwavz pads on mine, makes them far more usable and puts them in the same range as the older AT stuff as far as comfort, with better sound and hopefully more solid construction.
>>105653826How are the 660s vs 650s?
>>105647596Same for me, though I think I've 'only' had them for like a decade. I even have other headphones as well if I want something heavier on the bass too. I've even wanted to upgrade them several times but never found anything at a reasonable price that sounded like an all-around improvement rather than some sort of sidegrade, so I still use them.
>>105648812>you have to apply so much pressure to snap them in that they're ruined from the getgoAnon, you're not supposed to press on the fucking pad itself. Stick your finger underneath and press on the plastic piece the pad is fastened to directly.
>>105653947They seem better in every single way except they have no raised marking for the left channel which seems like a small oversight but it's hard to tell which side is which in the dark
Please keep in mind I don't have a good comparison because my 650s were old and familiar, now broken
Got them used for a very low price too so cannot complain, even used the same cable as the 650
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>>105648729I didn't like the Dekoni pads. Currently I have the WC Freeze HD pads and they're very nice.
>>105654129>never found anything at a reasonable price that sounded like an all-around improvement rather than some sort of sidegrade, so I still use them.100% this. The closest thing to a 'straight upgrade' I ever came across was a Stax setup.
>>105647067>Or you could pay $500 for something that's robust and actually sounds good instead of slopheisers.And yet you and the rest of your ilk can never say what these mysterious "good" headphones are. Because you just want to seethe at the best, stay mad and stay broke.
>>105651416>no nogbass>"veiled" mids swith near perfect frequency response in that rangemaybe just used to listening to shit
>>105655447i own the 6xx,aeons,r70x,770,800 and have owned 880/702 and a few others in the past. The only headphones that the 6xx sound better than are the 702 and the dt 880. everything else is noticeably better unless you are literally deaf. Just because you found something you like doesn't mean it's the best product anon. Obviously the op's statement you cherry picked is the hyperbole part I wasn't fully in support of. I would still recommend the dramatic majority should still stick with the 6xx because most people are so use to absolute dog shit that the step up from whatever they were using to the 600 line will mean they won't care about it's flaws.
>>105640261 (OP)hd 550s are amazing.
>600 tier midrange>but wide soundstageeasy to drive, 150 ohms too.
>>105652382>>105652382>What's this mod calleddust magnet
>and what's it do?makes it sound like shit.
>>105654658I just received my new pads, similar to these if not same, after the old ones wore off.
Absolute kino. Wish I had done it sooner.
>>105651416>what op said is pretty accurateI'm here to remind you that with headphones you literally don't hear the same thing other people hear, so reviews and even graphs are useless, positional and pad wear variation starts from 1kHz already and can change the sound by 10dB with sennheisers in particular and even more with closedback headphones. If you don't know any better then enjoy your headphones, but if you have speakers it's immediately obvious how fucked up all headphones sound.
>>105640261 (OP)What are you using to drive them? You might just need a better DAC/Amp
>>105660935topping DX1, it's loud enough at like 60% volume so i'm pretty happy with the price
>>105659886>, but if you have speakers it's immediately obvious how fucked up all headphones sound.I mean of course, I have a stockpile of speakers I've hoarded because of how insanely cheap they are with old heads dumping them off. Headphones to iems to speakers all sound massively different. My issue and why i stated what I stated in this thread is that most people with the 600 line have never owned anything better and dig their feet in on how good they are. I don't need graphs to say that it's about personal experience, as I've said in this thread already.
>>105640261 (OP)Take the speakerpill
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I might buy the HD 490 Pro at some point, anybody here with them?
The only issue I have with my 6XX is the imaging, I can live with every other weakness like the bass and soundstage those are non-issues to me. But imaging being mediocre actually is a bit of a bummer
>>105661853>anybody here with them?I have two.
First I used them with my TV, but they're so comfortable I decided to buy an extra pair to use with my PC.
>>105640929They cut all the consumer electronics RnD budgets back in the late 90’s too the bone. We are living in the age of eternal slop with a lot of branding so they can charge 5 times the price of what they’re worth.
>>105651703What about a soundbar?
>>105640563I've tried them and they sound good, excellent separation, at least compared to my rather stuffed 6XX.
But I would never trust them long term, feels like a gamble to even buy them in the first place.
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>>105662442>>105662681The Arya is better tbdesu. According to Amir it's better than HD800s. Shame about the shit QC, though. Makes me hesitant to buy it even though it's 400€ in yurop.
>>105662896there is no reason to ever buy chinkiman or chifi cancer in general. In the long run you will just end up paying more money than you would of for real products with how often it breaks, and it will break. Even susvara's have qa problems, which is honestly hilarious.
Are the HD 8xx series headphones actually worth the cost?
The HD 650 are 400€, the HD 660 are 450€ and going up to the HD 800 S are 1600€, which is quite the big jump without any in-between models. I doubt that they're 4x the quality of the 650s, but are they even 2x?
>>105663071>In the long run you will just end up paying more money than you would of for real products with how often it breaksYeah, probably. I used to have a
>>105640563 and it died after 1 year. Honestly I just miss that giant soundstage those provided. Neither my LCD-2s, Aeons or HD600 give anything close to that. Out of those I've auditioned HD800s were similar but the treble fucking killed me. I wanted to get the Verum 2 but apparently you can't even fucking buy those anymore. Maybe I'll just get a used Arya for like <300 bucks so even if it dies it won't be too much of a loss...
>>105663200Auditioned both HD800s and HD820. HD800s have much better soundstage and imaging than 99% of headphones. The treble fucking sucks but with EQ they'd probably be pretty great. Build quality seemed worse than HD600 but I only tried them for like half an hour so I might be wrong. HD820 on the other hand is awful and fucking sucks.
>>105663200>Are the HD 8xx series headphones actually worth the cost?For me they were, but I bought them for $800 cad used, just had to replace the headband pad and they were as good as new. Although, you can usually get aeons for like half of even that and for some people they might even prefer the aeon to the hd 800. If you are paying full price for all of them maybe not, but thats more of a budget thing. I probably wouldnt buy any of these including the 600 line if i couldn't get them used or the 6xx model, specifically because of how much of a jump the aeons are to the 600 line.
>>105663234The treble on the 800 didn't really bother me, I guess I was already use to aeons which are already quite bright but I can see why some people would be overly bothered by it
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just get a DT 770 PRO
>>105665101>sound like pure dog shit>soldered cable >known voice coil failure thats almost not fixable without a driver swapgreat advice anon
>>105665101aren't beyerdynamic known to be V-shaped earrape devices
>>105665269yes, thats why no one cared they got sold to the chinks. If any had any merit for existing it's the 770 due to how few closed backs exist in that price range, but they are still horrible. Might as well get the m40x and save the money for something better in the future like a closed back aeon, or ether. Those sell for so cheap on the used market it's actually wild, cx's go for as low as 300 usd which isn't much more than the dt 770 is new.
>>105665231Don't forget the exploding headbands
>>105665413cope with your trash headphones all you want, i own them too. All i do on these threads is tell people to buy used shit, but I guess i'm a shill for a market I can't capitalize on
>>105665309>m40xThese also suffer from explody-headband syndrome, M50X is sturdier but the stock tuning is worse so pick your poison
>>105665490that tier of closed back is just so insanely cancer bad it's hard to recommend anything that isn't outrageously flawed. I gave my m50x's away because they would get insanely hot and were uncomfortable for long periods of time, but I was already use to my hd 800s and aeons so maybe someone else wouldnt be bothered as much. They sounded better than my 770s, but i could see someone finding the opposite true, regardless both were uncomfortable and sounded muddy.
>>105640261 (OP)Open backs can't really pull bass like speakers or closed backs, they're the most worthless piece of high end equipment ever. I have good speakers, and I find the M50X with an entry level FiiO amp enough (BTR13)
>>105648738this, pseuds parrot shit because it's what they know as a religion rather than think for themselves. Like that's the whole point of the preamp. Boost or cut is the same in opposite directions when you don't exceed 0dB
>>105665309>>105665490>unironically thinking the M40X sound better or have better sound profile than the M50Xreddit tier opinión, the M40X distort heavily and they have bloated high bass that makes you regret listening any song that has bass lines. I returned mine, got the M50X and never looked back, I even boost the subbass in the M50X because they are kind of flat and sound like speakers with a subwoofer
>>105665722>two total budget garbage closed back both sound badwho could of guessed? your comparing dog shit to cat shit, whos only point of existing is that it's cheap. Regardless of the difference the m40x is cheaper for something thats largely the same. If you care about sound quality you wouldnt be buying either.
If it was a reddit opinion me and the other anon would both be shilling chinkfi
>>105647687>only one mention of the Shure SRH-1540been using these for over a decade, still sound fucking great. replaced the earpads once, got a headband cover after the original started coming apart. still using the original cable. I never need another pair of headphones.
>>105665922probably because it's$700 cad and the topic at hand was the hd 600 line which isn't even half of that and they would have to beat the aeon to make any sense as a recommendation before even talking about literal material differences.
>>105665722And the M50X is damn near earrape levels of treble so it's a lose/lose comparison really
Still better than beyer's remorse though
>>105665231get a 770 pro x then?
>detachable cable>driver can be swapped easily and solderlessly
>>105666633I only comment on things i've owned so I don't know the difference besides from what you've stated. Unless they fixed the treble they are still pointless aside from specific budget reasons like I stated before
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>>105666633Did they fix the voice coil wires metal fatiguing themselves to death? Otherwise they're merely selling you a slightly more convenient hardware subscription
>>105666633>Unless they fixed the treblethe new non limited edition pro x has the same amount of treble as the 770 80 ohm, so yes, it's "fixed".
>>105666808I've never heard of a pro x driver die yet (of course, let's ignore the fact that it was very rare on the older 770 and not a widespread issue like you retards seem to imply).
>>105667083>the new non limited edition pro x has the same amount of treble as the 770 80 ohm, so yes, it's "fixed".unless i'm reading this wrong you are proving the opposite of what I said. The tuning of the dt 770 is seriously one of the worst ways to tune a headphone, it makes everything pure ear rape even normies would find it outrageous
>>105667182the 80 ohm doesn't have ear rape treble, only the 250 and 32 ohm versions do, wake the fuck up.
>>105667214i own the 80 ohm version, it sounds horrible still. I'm not sure what I should wake up too. If that is true I can't even imagine how much worse it could be
>>105665231>>soldered cableMy ATH-AD700 have a soldered cable.
What's wrong with it?
Which Sennheisers should I get that are open back and will playback Still Into You by Paramore the best?
I have the beyer 770 pro x and they're really not hitting for this song or type of music, it's kinda muddy
>>105667287if you break or damage the cable it's more annoying to replace, and some anon here have been known to break a lot of cables. Some headphones have been known to have issues with soldering in general, such as the k701/k702 where one cup just decides to break for no reason, same with beyers, although maybe less often. It doesn't help some of these companies make excuses for still doing it like when beyer said that most cables are broken from the socket when they get replaced, which is clearly not the case
>>105667307>Some headphones have been known to have issues with soldering in generalThen a socket could be as much a problem. But I guess that is a little bit similar to do than a full cable.
>>105667336I probably should of kept the second part separate to my overall point, I'm just a bit tired. Anyways they probably just don't want the consumer to easily fix simple problems like a broken cable, and would rather you just rebuy their product or have them overcharge you for basic repairs. Although a simple solder job is usually cheap enough at a local repair shop, some issues that some people have ran into such as the voice coils killing themselves are no simple task and seem to be largely ignored.
One can only assume the chink acquisition will exacerbate the issue. For example many akg models have clear design flaws that resulted in major issues, like i stated in my last post, and it was even worse when they switched from Austrian to Chinese manufacturing.
>>105667377I should also note that these kinds of design flaws are not exactly uncommon in audio. Tons of companies just don't seem to care about making quality reliable products or honoring warranties. Focal with snapping headbands on multiple models, most notably the focal clear, audeze using wood and having it snap, other models with breaking headbands/hinges,schiit not honoring warranties on qc issues for years,akg as stated above, chinkfiman seemingly only making things to break within a year including susvara's with dying drivers on a $6k headphone. Really the list goes on further that, kind of pathetic really. I hope some other companies come in soon that aren't filled with niggers, especially with all the companies moving manufacturing to cheaper areas like sennheiser did by opening factories in romania
>>105667421i was going to get a fiio k11 and a pair of arya stealth but i opted for the element iv and noire x solely because i know jds labs and dca have way better warranties and qc
r70x, lcd 2 classic, or something else for my energetic chink squeels.
>>105666808>Beyerdynamic is now selling headphones with a subscription modelWTF? Why isn't there more outcry on this? Is this the first company that's using a subscription model for a pair of headphones? It's like BMW charging monthly for features in their cars, isn't it?
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Woke up this morning to this, audio still work fine as usual, would it be too bad to just wrap some electrical tape and call it a day?
>buying new ones is out of the question
>>105668284this image is so third world coded its unreal
>>105668285I live in a G7 country.
>>105667287I'm amazed the cable is still working on them, I replaced mine with a jack within a year or so. The cables they used back then would turn as hard as a rock from contact with skin oils.
>>105668067All that matters is comfort. Personally I find the R70X with bigger earpads to be the most comfortable full earcup headphone I've used, they're basically the AD700s but with better sound.
>>105668483My ears are dumbo sized, like clear pads barely fit. So honestly I think, I would get r70x and fit zmf pads on them honestly. Honestly my huge ass head makes it so that audeze and zmf are comfortable lmao.
>>105668553I've never bothered with the fancier pads, I tried alix cheapo stuff and then brainwavz, which were fine.
Comfort is something that's very individual though, some people like more clamping force, ideally you'd just trial the headphones for a few days before buying. I hear some people abuse amazon returns to do that.
>>105665614if you're a basshead (cringe btw) then using headphones at all makes no sense
it's physically impossible for headphones to compete with a sub or large speakers at bass at any price, you need sheer physical size for good quality bass
>>105668673Yeah,I feel you. desu I think I just wanted to try microsuede instead of velour though im sure i can get a good suede pad way cheaper. But yeah, for sure. Like people love the comfort of 6XX but I can't stand it for some reason. Might try a pad swap and try the r70x so I can be a true weeb.
Unrelated but I just got decently high quality speakers for the first time (Kanto ORA) after mainly using headphones (random cheap gaming headsets, HD560S, AR5000) and the shitty speakers on monitors my entire life and these things are amazing
>>105668757yeah headphone guys cope about this but nothing beats a pair of high quality loudspeakers and a good amp.
lack of portability and wives/gfs complaining about how much space they take up is the big issue though.
>>105668726Brainwavz has microsuede, that's what's on my R70X right now in 110mm. I don't see much difference between suede and microsuede though, maybe if you pay more it's better material. I had a similar experience with 599s, bought them cheap and just couldn't get on with them. But I had the AD700s and loved them for a decade before they broke, so I'm biased towards the wing system. Stock R70X pads aren't great, they're just too small.
i dont see the point of over ear headphones
speakers for home, iems for portability, koss on-ears if iems dont fit you right
>>105668761I find it a lot easier to get good sound out of headphones than from speakers. I have HD 650s that I got for 320€ and an amp + DAC that were like 200€ together, and it sounds great. I love listening to music at my desk.
Meanwhile my living room setup has bookshelf speakers that were like 300€, a subwoofer that I got used for like 150€ and a receiver that was like 500€ by itself. And I ought to upgrade that setup by replacing the fronts with floorstanding speakers (which are expensive) and setting the bookshelves as rears, which requires getting speaker stands (not super expensive but still more costs).
I got the HD 6XXs and I hate them
They sound muddy with a ton of bass and mids
Also they hurt my jaw wearing them
>>105668901>Also they hurt my jaw wearing themI think you're wearing them wrong.
I've been using pic rel for over 5 years now, while they aren't really noise dampening the soundstage is great.
Sound is subjective, little bass and pronounced heights (which you can fix with an EQ), comfy as fuck, I wear those sometimes for over 10 hours/day without my head hurting.
I've been looking to "upgrade" them for the last couple of years mostly because of my retarded urge to consoom and I haven't found anything worthwhile that isn't $500+.
>>105640261 (OP)>can hear every little sound through open backsall the best quality:$ headphones are open back and i fucking hate it.
not everyone is in a dead silent room, some of us experience background noise while we're listening to music
>>105668934No, it's just a clampy piece of shit for manlets.
>>105669836Clamping is great.
>>105669747Sorry that we can afford to live alone, I guess.
>>105667287That soldered cable was the reason I could pick up an AD900X for 40 bucks, because it had developed a tiny break near the jack.
>>105668901>Also they hurt my jaw wearing themyou solve the clamp force in 1 minute doing this
>>105670022I have a gigantic head and they only fit at maximum extension
>>105670077That's good for you, you still solve the clamp force by doing pic related
>>105670083Ah I see what you mean
Yeah I just did it and it didn't help but thanks for offering some actual help unlike all the times I've whined about them on 4chan before
>hifimans are the only opinionated headphones that consistently sound good build quality is ridiculously shit
>everything else is either fucking uncomfortable that fatigues or piss sound profile that fatigues
it's 2025 and EQd HD600 are still the best. fucking HOW?
>>105669836picrel does nothing. you do this
>>105670022. it actually works, just don't overdo it.
>>105640261 (OP)>bought open headphones>shocked by the fact that they're, in fact, openIs this illness in DSM5?
>>105670107>Yeah I just did it and it didn't helpyou didn't do it enough then, it absolutely does help. Top is how they come shipped, bottom are mine
>>105668885I think where you live really affects how good speakers are, which sounds strange. If you live in places like canada you can basically at any given time buy some imo god tier speakers for basically nothing. I have about 9 amps that I got for free, ranging from onkyo's,kenwood,technics and a few others and another 4 or 5 home theater amps. I have mirage bipolars,omni 550s, paradigm monitor v2 book shelves, and another set of mirage and energy bookshelves. All those speakers together were $120 cad, I also have energy reference 22s that i got for $50 that were once considered potentially the greatest vintage speakers ever made, but the tweeters need to fixed or replaced. I'd take my omni 550s over my hd 800's or aeons any day really.
>not buying the KRK KNS 8400
you failed before you even attempted
>>105640261 (OP)Anyone else think that shitheiser, bose, hifiman and probably every other headphone brand has no engineers, and that everything from design to production is outsourced to china?
I truly don't see the difference between $50 Anker headphones and $200 Bose QuietComforts that I have, both sound like shit, are just plastic, and hurt my jaw (Anker less that Bose)
>>105640849>dt 770 prosame.
Sounds good.
Fits good.
>>105672721chinkfiman is literally a chinese garbage brand that makes products to die. Sennheiser had the hd 800 in development for years before they ever released it as tyll senpai seen himself, although the 600/650 have been out since 1997/2003. Bose and anker are just garbage consumer trash that's highly marketed to stupid people. I have personally owned bose, qc35's and the 004 sony ones and they sounded about as bad as generic gaming branded headphones and some how less comfortable. So unless you are specifically buying these kinds of headphones for anc, which most people probably don't need, then they have absolutely no reason to exist
>>105667219I don't know how bad hearing you audiofools have but the DT 770 pro 80 ohm sounds good and sits good.
It's has not died and nothing is falling apart like you are trying to make it seem.
>>105672834>it hasn't happened to me there for it doesn't happen at allyou do see the flaw in this logic right?
> hearing you audiofools have but the DT 770 pro 80 ohm sounds good and sits good.meaningless statement again from a clear low iq individual, anything that's not absolute garbage is going to sit fine on most peoples head.
It does not sound good at all, but again you need some level of perspective to even have an opinion on something like that. I'm going to guess you have literally never heard a different headphone but pretty much anything in that price range mogs them, unless for some reason your dead set on closed backs which is a different topic altogether
>>105640563Been rocking Sundaras for 5 years now.
Granted the pads needed a replacement midway, I think it's solid.
>>105640261 (OP)Opinions on Edifier speakers? Theres a pair on sale at Amazon for lime $120. I can't tell if they are legit or just ulta shilled and astroturfed like Shitheiser was.
I just need something less that $200 and better than the shitty logitech shitboxes that burned out in less than 6 months despite the fact I never came anywhere close to maxing out the volume. I prefer a separate sub, but if the 2 are good enough then whatever. I honestly can't decide.
>>105673009>I can't tell if they are legit or just ulta shilled and astroturfed like Shitheiser was.the most astroturfed headphones are chinkfiman and fiio and it's not even close. Go on a single reddit thread and they make it out like they are gods gift to humanity
if you want good bookshelf speakers just get used ones and a decent amp, most new speakers are terrible anyways let alone something $120 new in 2025, I can't even imagine. Pretty much any decent pair of bookshelves I see locally are sub $50 cad, although sometimes i find them even cheaper, amps are almost nothing unless you have a space problem with bigger stuff and need some piece of trash like a topping tp22, then maybe it is worth to just get powered ones.
>>105672721The absolute canyon in sound quality between hifiman and legacy brands proves their engineers are not Chinese.
>>105672883mental disorder.
>>105673009I have the MR4s and they're alright. Depends on the model but some of their stuff is decent. Tuning is far from ideal, though.
>>105672953Why do I always get the shitty units? Every chinkfiman I own other than Arya and Sundara died pretty fast. Maybe some models are just built better but I heard of Susvaras dying too...
>>105673088I accept your concession
>>105673090>Why do I always get the shitty units?probably other people getting lucky, as opposed to you being unlucky good sir
>>105673090Don't buy from Amazon, they sell returned items as new.
>>105673123The models that died were from Amazon so you might be onto something
>>105673112Naruhodo
>>105673046Where do you find good used speaker? Ebay? Everything on bookface marketplace looks like shit that rats have been nesting in since 1990. Too many resellers and "no lowballs I know what i gots" in my area.
>>105673398I've always used fb marketplace. Maybe it's just a Canadian thing because of how many brands used to manufacturer here from the 70s-early 2000's but it's fucking absurd how often I have to stop myself from buying more. I also got some ma-12c's here for $40 cad, which aren't perfect by any means but they are shielded so I can use them with my crt's. Funny enough I got some free ones a few years back that actually had a nest in the bottom port hole, not sure what was in it. The prices I see on ebay these days tend to be absolutely absurd, no idea what happened to that website but i tend to avoid it in general as our kike pm made them charge full tax on used items during covid, so locally tends to be my only option
>>105640261 (OP)Congrats. You entered the world of audiophile headphones where sound is analytical.
>>105673752Noise and veil are analytical?
>>105673758OP is misconstruing his perception of quality headphones with buzzwords
It's like when someone eats food and describes it as "bland" and other non-descriptive words that don't mean anything.
>>105673769You literally hear PC and room noise with openbacks. That's as descriptive as it gets.
>>105640261 (OP)>>ears hurt from touching the inner cuphow big are your ears you fucking monkey?
>>105673782That's OP's problem.
Close back headphones is like trying to listen to music with your hands covering your ears.
You also tune your environment for your listening experience. If OP doesn't want good sound he should stick with what he was using before.
>>105673801If you want isolation, just get IEMs.
Closed back headphones will sound like shit no matter how much you spend on them.
>>105674170>If you want isolation, just get IEMsiems are ear dildos that sound like shit and they are fine if you are insanely poor and can't use speakers for some reason. There are good closed backs but they are kind of expensive. The closed aeon is argueably better than the open, and the ether is the most analytical headphone i've ever heard, more so than the hd 800, at least for seperation. I found the m50x noise isolation to be quite solid for the price, especially considering the m40x is tuned better and is even cheaper, it's not perfect and it's quite uncomfortable for long periods but still not nearly as bad as iems would be
does anyone know what model headphones these are?
>>105655062DCA Aeon RT. Enjoy.
>>105668252jesus christ you reading comprehension is so fucking bad
can't even tell if bait
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Which headphones are they? They look like koss porta pros but are they wireless?
>>105676337anon, search for "koss porta pro wireless"
>>105676337>wirelessAre you blind? There's wires right there.
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>>105676337I prefer the tyrone version
>>105640261 (OP)you need a genuine coconut audio groundhanger to balance it out
>>105676368i did the thing is the imagees on the side of the headphones dont match the current version,
>>105676376it's wireless as in "there's no wire going to your device", but there is a wire that connects the left side to the right one and I also think the battery is in one of those two black boxy things
then there is the porta pro tws (true wireless) which... yeah as the name implies it's truly wireless, the audio signal is transferred through the metal in the headband instead.
I bought a pair of Beyers years ago and I had to return them because they gave me a splitting headache
average day in the life of a 6 series owner
the left ear on my m40xs just broke, everyone i asked has been telling me to spend a little more and go with senns. Are they actually good recommendations or is op just a faggot?
>>105680594there's a reason they're still relevant nearly 30 years after release, so do with that information what you will.
That said, you'd be going from closed-back to open-backs so keep that in mind. I went from the m50x to the hd 558s and then 6xx, I fucking hated the m50x, most uncomfortable headphones ever and the sound was nothing special, I found even the 558s to be infinitely more enjoyable in every way and 6xx a big step up from those.
I used to get the brakes beat off of me daily until I was 15. If it weren't for open back headphones I wouldn't be able to tell when my parents got home so I could pretend I was doing something productive.
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>>105640929How do you make better headphone beside making it more durable? It makes noise to your left and right ears and that's it.
At least speakers have tangible improvement for paying more like a subwoofer or surround sound
>>105680744are there any good recommendations for close backs of a similar quality/level? working in an office space makes me a bit apprehensive at getting open backs
>>105665101Ultrasone fixed all these issues in the edition 12 revision and later a detachable mmcx cable in the founders edition open.
Bright but very tasteful tuning with a treble reducing source chain and a good aftermarket cable.
ofc you could always get a used edition 11 and consider yourself at endgame
Get some Porta Pros bro. Hear the 80s. They're only $40 brand new.
>380 bucksFuck it, I bought them. Hopefully I don't regret it later.
>>105681169THD, tuning and spacial effects. We still don't have a closed back that can do ALL of those well. Well, except for DCA Stealth(kind of)
>>105681575open backs below the closed aeon are all pretty horrible at everything unfortunately. I tried the a990z,m50x,dt 770 before just buying used aeon's for $320 cad. The a990z beats both of them by a lot if you can get over the headband, the dt 770 was the worst. I found the m50x to be very uncomfortable and hot, but I could be just use to significantly more comfortable pairs. The m40x is tuned better and cheaper so that's probably the best option unless you want to spend more for the aeon. There are a few other closed backs in that price range but i have no experience personally, such as the lower models from at below the a990z, the 569 from sennheiser and the akg k371. Anyways, at least there is something for you to look into if your interested. If it's in your budget I would just get a used aeon and avoid that entire garbage tier of headphone
>>105683489closed backs below the aeon*
I had a stroke, apologies.
>>105683489You could also build your own cheap DCAs from before DCA was DCA.
>>105683579i haunt heard about this, do tell
>>105683620Dan Clark started out modding Fostex T50RPs. First with pretty standard damping mods, later with 3D printed baffles and cups when that became more accessible to hobbyists and startups.
When Fostex stopped production of the T50RP Mk2 and its siblings, Dan stopped making the Alpha Dogs, but he did share his STL files and modding instructions so anyone with access to a 3D printer can make their own Open Alphas.
whats cheap comfy and good? i've been using the random headphones that came with my thinkpad for the last 5 years
Best < $80 option for someone with tinnitus?
>>105683645>Old countertop HD600SOVL
>new HD600soulless
>>105640929My HD580's from literally 19 years ago still work great (I did have to replace the foam once). Why wouldn't I recommend them to other people?
>>105684151Those aren’t considered meta. The 600-series is the go-to option. None of the 500-series models are still on the tier lists.
>>105648812I bought a heavy duty detachable cable that has lasted me forever once the first set of original cables broke. Can't remember the brand, I think it was like $50. Looks like one of these with the bigger aux dick, but also came with an adapter
https://www.ebay.com/itm/4M-Upgrade-Cable-For-SENNHEISER-HD580-HD600-HD650-HIEND-/321089708384?_ul=IN&gQT=2
>>105640929>Even Sennheiser has upgraded theseSennheiser sold its consumer business in 2021.
So any "upgrade" made in the last 4 years was designed by a completely different company and probably done to cut production cost rather than improve the product (enshitification).
The new "Sennheiser" (Sonova Holding AG) wants to sell in-ears for use with smartphones.
They don't give a shit about "legacy" headphones with cables.
>>105665101>Made in Turkeyno thanks, I'll stick with my Made in Ireland sennheisers
>>105684048Why do you want to make your tinnitus worse?
>>105684179The 580 was the original "600 series" headphone
>>105640261 (OP)why would you buy open back headphones before understanding what they are and what theyre for
>HD 800S eq'd to my taste
>>105663200the difference in clarity between the HD 600s and HD 800s is insane
>>105686134>Paying thousands of dollars for dynamic driversDo Sennheiser shills really?
>>105682154I almost went with the arya stealth but opted for a lightly used pair for 800s.
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