If Microsoft still provided security updates for Windows XP, would you use it?

>>105641998 (OP)
Yes, especially for virtualization

>>105641998 (OP)
no
I would use 7 though.

>>105641998 (OP)
Wasn't dwm.exe basically just a 2D matrix any program could write to? Absolutely not.

>>105641998 (OP)
Nah.
Windows 7 however .... probably yes.

no because i use kde plasma which is like windows but good

>>105641998 (OP)
security updates dont matter if you are not retarded. XP is still usable after some workarounds, but a lot of software will simply not work, no matter what you do. Supermium + old ms office version + mpc-hc is still a good xp starter though.

I don't want a version of NT from 2001, I want a version of Windows with the good newer features but not the horrible "modern" UX.

win95 was peak

>>105641998 (OP)
I have never installed a security update in my life. I don't run XP anymore because it lacks support for the hardware and software and I am using. Everyday I wish I could return to NT5x. I hate NT6 so much, it feels like my life ended when I was forced to "upgrade"

The first update would update key $$, second would be telemetry.

No I don't use Windows at all

>>105642340
I love people who think like this. You are my favorite. I remember one thread where I was giving tips about how to properly secure a machine (based on mistakes I saw in how machines I was breaking into were set up, but I didn't state this) and they were arguing with me saying good security practices were pointless. Truthfully speaking it's people like you that keep people like me employed.

>>105642673
updoter fails to act haxxor, thanks for the laugh

>>105642759
I hope you aren't tasked with handling anything serious. That's all I'll say.

people have a bad memory, especially in technology. these OSs where not that good, with poor ergonomics.

>>105641998 (OP)
Yes.

>>105641998 (OP)
fuck no. I switched to Vista right when it released and never looked back. now if they were to start providing updates for Vista again, that'd be a yes, but in dual boot since I prefer Linux now

>>105642673
>I love people who think like this. You are my favorite.
Let me guess, securitytroon... You think that we will all get magic internet AIDS 2 minutes after connecting old windows to the interner? (spoiler alert: we won't).
>I remember one thread where I was giving tips about how to properly secure a machine
Hmmm, I wonder what those were, probably something about buying latest fauci-approved computer to run updooted software, am I right?
>based on mistakes I saw in how machines I was breaking into were set up
Using eternalblue on old windows VM in your own home network is not hacking. Its just glorified form of masturbation for leddit linux midwits.
>And they were arguing with me saying good security practices were pointless
Because most of your "good" security practices are pointless, especially for normal people.
>Truthfully speaking it's people like you that keep people like me employed.
That would be jewish corpo CEOs hiring h1b jeets who know even less about actual security than (you) do.

Windows was already a backdoored, not freedom-respecting OS back then (_NSAKEY was a thing in XP iirc) Even then using GNU/Linux was the better choice for freedom and hackability, albeit with far worse hardware and software support.

They don't provide security updates for 8.1 and I still use it. Windowsfanboys are the worst
>anon: "What antivirus should I use?"
>winfan: "Common Sense 2025"
>anon" "I'm still using Windows 8.1"
>winfan: "WHAT? YOU AREN'T GETTING ALL THE UPDATES!"
>anon: "Common Sense 2025"
>winfan: "REEEEEEE"

>>105642862
>__NSAKEY
absolute nothingburger. There wasn't a single case in which someone would get caught for his wrong-doing because of that.

>>105642821
I am not reading your schizo rambling. Let's keep it simple. If you are competent not only do you get to keep cashing checks but you don't spend all your time on the clock putting out the proverbial fires. Breaking into other people's shit for fun taught me what not to do. I am not against running XP on some old hardware for nostalgia purposes but I'm not putting that on my home network. Or the internet at all. I could lock it the fuck down but for what? The 2000s internet is gone. There are no more funny memes on /b/. Anything actually worth doing on XP would be done offline.

Vista was better.

>>105642869
You will be fine without one, really. AVs nowadays are mostly a scam and can cause more harm than good. Get yourself simplewall, do not download random executables from the internet and keep your browser updooted. Thats all you realistically need.

>>105642890
>I am not reading your schizo rambling.
Ofcourse you won't, since you are too pathetic to face objectively correct opinion, mr. leedit h4xx0r.
>Let's keep it simple. If you are competent not only do you get to keep cashing checks but you don't spend all your time on the clock putting out the proverbial fires
And you have the audacity to call my post schizo rambling, lmao.
>Breaking into other people's shit for fun taught me what not to do
It clearly didn't and you have no idea what you are doing. My computer with XP that sits in my local network behind a NAT-enabled router, is entirely different that a random XP remote desktop you found on shodan. You have no way to connect to it remotely, therefore you have no attack surface, so you can't hack it.
> I am not against running XP on some old hardware for nostalgia purposes but I'm not putting that on my home network
Cool, so stop your shit-stained neovagina from leaking when other people do just that.
>Or the internet at all.
Lmao, you really fell for the security meme.
>Anything actually worth doing on XP would be done offline.
I use it to browse the internet just fine. Cry about it.

>>105641998 (OP)
Probably, yes.
It did everything I needed it to, and didn't use 4GB of RAM to display the desktop.

>>105643029
If it looks like low iq screeching about American politics with ESL quality writing I just disregard it.

>>105643053
If it looks like text written by cocky, narcistic ledditor hands I just disregard it.

>>105643074
I don't use Reddit. Anyway you're free to join us in this decade any time you like and stop being a dumbass baby duck. I wouldn't recommend installing jeetdows though. I know I know you're going to screech about freetards and trannies and everything is going to be filled with typos that make you look like a dumb foreigner when the references to American politics suggest otherwise. You're just really that stupid. That's why you're using that e-waste. You can't afford anything else. If you had a marketable skill you wouldn't need to use something that can only handle XP.

Fuck it I'm gonna double dip. "But my machine is a Core 2 Duo!" you're going to tell me next. Ah, hardware fit for a Delhi scammer to call up your grandma and direct her to the nearest Bitcoin ATM. Yup it's pretty powerful as far as a machine for XP goes, and your choice of OS is of an older vintage than that scammer running 7. But this puts you in an even more precarious position than him. At least he doesn't need to run some weird off brand hacked up browser called spermium. Maybe if you're lucky a trip to the same recycling facility where you got that garbage will net you something capable of running 10 LTSC or Ubuntu LTS.

>>105643120
>I don't use Reddit.
totally.
>dumbass baby duck.
forced meme to justify making things worse.
>I know I know you're going to screech about freetards and trannies
Well yes, because linux is an OS made for terminally online troons and leddit corpo bootlickers.
>You're just really that stupid.
Said the pseudo-intellectual faggot who tried to larp 1337 h4xx0r.
>That's why you're using that e-waste.
This e-waste is somehow quieter and gives me better control over what I am doing than my modern computer.
>You can't afford anything else
I literally have alder lake machine with 32GB of DDR4 handy. I have turned it on just for you. Feeling great now, updooter?
>If you had a marketable skill you wouldn't need to use something that can only handle XP.
I am happy with my blue collar job. On the other hand, you don't seem to enjoy your life as a 1337 reddit h4xx0r.

>>105641998 (OP)
yeah, it was fast and simple.

>>105641998 (OP)
Security updates aren't enough, it needs modern hardware support and software support as well. I wouldn't mind using it if all the modern things worked, though I think going back to a pre-W7 start menu with no integrated search function would kind of suck.

>>105643308
Just keep telling yourself it's all a larp. That's what I get told most of the time except on the off chance I'm able to show proof of something that won't implicate me in a crime. Being believed is not important. Especially when the whole point is to laugh at the absurdity of such situations. You completely missed the point of my original reply and basically did the thing I was mocking. It's a good thing you're a blue collar worker because you are not fit for anything else. I hope you have strong hands because you have a weak mind. Keep filling it with thoughts about jews and faucci and whatever other gay shit you can't resist bringing into a discussion about technology. Your hands must have been trembling as you typed that first diatribe. Explains all the typos.

>>105641998 (OP)
No, because it's really bad. Maybe if they provided all that, power shell, directx, kernel updates and so on for 2000 I would consider it.

>>105642862
>Even then
linux has gotten thoroughly glowniggered since the early 00s

>>105643287
>Fuck it I'm gonna double dip
Did I just mindbroke you or something?
>"But my machine is a Core 2 Duo!" you're going to tell me next.
I literally never told you to do anything. You are the one comming here, telling people to not run their favourite windows version because of muh security.
>Ah, hardware fit for a Delhi scammer to call up your grandma and direct her to the nearest Bitcoin ATM
>that scammer running 7
In case you didn't know, india has above-average amount of desktop linux users, just saying. Troonix is an ultimate pajeetware.
>At least he doesn't need to run some weird off brand hacked up browser called spermium
It works just fine, along with thorium. A lot of other new programs work just fine with one-core-api, and XP era programs work like a charm.
>Maybe if you're lucky a trip to the same recycling facility where you got that garbage
This "garbage" is more user-friendly than most modern computers.
>10 LTSC
kinda useless to me, but I somewhat understand people who run it.
>Ubuntu LTS.
This is a troonix distro, and since I normally avoid using troonix at all, its a hard pass. The reddit-tier retardness of people using it, lack of decent software support and RTFM culture makes it inferior to windows, even older one. Nowadays it can maybe compete with something like Windows ME or 2000 when it comes to overall usability, unless you fell for the meme of upgrading your hardware.

>>105642418
Admit it, you were either a small child or not even born in 1995.

>>105641998 (OP)
I'd prefer Windows NT 4.0 Workstation. The first decent OS from Microsoft, modern UI and pro under the hood.

>>105642418
>>105643588
zoomer getting fucking called out

bring back DOS

>>105641998 (OP)
No, unless they also provided drivers for the 64-bit version, which they never did, and software devs miraculously supported it again out of the blue, skipping all the versions in between.
Moron.

Nothing wrong with using XP on a local network as it is, not exactly much point in trying to connect online since most browsers/software won't support it anyway
SP3 is good enough for a buildslave/compatibility box

>>105643528
Based 7chad, Updooters BTFO!
>>105643384
>Just keep telling yourself it's all a larp
Well, you do larp a lot. Every somewhat tech-literate person can tell just that by your posts.
>That's what I get told most of the time except on the off chance I'm able to show proof of something that won't implicate me in a crime.
LMFAO, yeah sure.
>Being believed is not important.
I can almost feel your clitty leaking as you were typing that.
>Especially when the whole point is to laugh at the absurdity of such situations.
Like a Dunning-Kruger ledditor comming here and larping a 1337 h4xx0r?
missed the point of my original reply and basically did the thing I was mocking
Projecting hard I see.
>because you are not fit for anything else
I can admit that I am somewhat happy in my life and my blue collar job. Can you tell the same with your (supposed) job in IT or whatever?
>because you have a weak mind.
Said the guy who leaks soooo fucking hard over someone using Windows XP. You guys are truly /g/'s own Leebait.
>gay shit
Said the guy shilling linux, the ultimate system for fags like pic related (Brodie Robertson).
>Your hands must have been trembling as you typed that first diatribe.
You are the only one who trembles ITT.
>Explains all the typos.
And I thought you couldn't project harder. Good job, Updooter!

>>105641998 (OP)
if they updated the graphics stack , absolutely.

>>105642890
weird how an epic security expert doesn't know what a firewall is

>>105641998 (OP)
Only security updates? No, but I'd probably still be using it with modern hardware and software support

>>105642890
>I am not against running XP on some old hardware for nostalgia purposes but I'm not putting that on my home network. Or the internet at all. I could lock it the fuck down but for what? The 2000s internet is gone.
Literally works on my machine.

>>105643709
>Based 7chad, Updooters BTFO!
This is a Russian bot. It wants you to install stupid shit so it's easier to botnet your potato.

>>105643890
The problem isn't running a browser, dipshit.

>>105644049
>projecting so hard
Again updooter, no botnet can randomly pwn a machine with old windows that connects to the internet from someone's internal network. We use updooted browsers and not a single sane, tech-literate person would ever bother with targeted attacks against us. People like you are too tech-illiterate and too mindbroken to perfom those. You are projecting way harder than I expected.
>>105644056
Whats the problem then? apart from your mental disorder obviously.

>>105641998 (OP)
No but I would rice my desktop to look like it though

>>105644056
>The problem isn't running a browser, dipshit.
You just said it was. "I'm not putting that on my home network. Or the internet at all." Meanwhile, simplewall exists, superminum exists, there's nothing stopping someone from using legacy windows as long as they aren't trying to run anything but legacy programs.

>>105644191
>as long as they aren't trying to run anything but legacy programs.
you can actually use some modern programs with something like one-core-api for xp or vxkex for 7 though.

>>105644156
>projecting so hard
You're such a fucking tool it's embarrassing to watch. Got sign up for the SMO and stop embarrassing yourself, Alenka.

isnt multithreading, ssd usage and some other basic recent hardware stuff shit in windows xp?

>>105644247
there hasn't been any genuine tech advancements since 1992

>>105644271
that doesnt meant windows incluided them

>>105641998 (OP)
Assuming support for modern hardware and software came with it, hell yeah.

>>105642364
tried LTSC 2021?

>>105644295
>uh ackshully this was first published in a journal by shmuel judenstein in 1926 (ripping off a bunch of goys who don't count)
ok

>>105644056
watching a youtube video where someone uses XP with all ports forwarded does not make you a security expert

>>105641998 (OP)
No, but I would use 7 if it was still supported and worked with modern browsers.

Probably not desu, it is really nice but I like Debian more.

>>105644322
NTA, LTSC is nice but it's still Windows 10. If there existed a separate LTSC branch from mainline windows releases altogether that just maintained the same UX as 7, it would be my favorite version.
No metro, no three control panels

>>105641998 (OP)
How safe is it to put an XP box online if it's behind a router with no ports forwarded? Obv using an up to date browser like Supermium.

>>105644240
>it's embarrassing to watch
You know what is really embarrassing? Your clitty leaking so hard about someone using older windows version.
>>105644247
I use regular 2.5" sata SSD on my XP machine just fine. When it comes to NVME drives and usb 3.0, you will just need additional driver, thats really it. If you want to have better compatibility you should probably go for 7 though.

>>105644247
There was never really a working, supported version of XP for 64-bit processors. The version they released was completely abandoned shortly after and lacks any kind of service pack or patches. Nobody bothered to make drivers for it, either.

>>105644453
100% safe unless you are clinically retarded. Just don't download questionable executables and you will be fine.

>>105644344
Coming up with straw man arguments doesn't make you a cognitive, sentient being.

>>105641998 (OP)
What do you need "SECURITY UPODOTES" for when you have a firewall and common sense?

>>105644453
it's fine, and no one who would claim otherwise can offer any explanation as to how using XP (or 7, for that matter) magically attracts worms that can magically bypass firewalls

>>105644507
>>105644570
Aren't there vulnerabilities regarding SMB and IPv6?

>>105641998 (OP)
Bigger problem is getting shit like Firefox and steam and modern videogames to support it

>>105644586
probably. i wouldn't expose SMB to the internet on any OS.

>>105644596
You'd have to port forward to do that anyway.

>>105644612
so?

>>105644596
SMB over QUIC is a thing now.

>>105644638
Wtf is QUIC?

>>105644453
Of course, what do you think, it'll explode?
Use simplewall if you're super paranoid

>>105644653
Another thing your router will block incoming connections on unless you explicitly forward it through.

>>105644335
nigga i said the opposite, just bc something was already invented doesnt mean that windows xp had it
>>105644467
windows xp doesnt support ssd trim. i save a 32gb optane stick to use in my machine so i can not give a fuck of any of the downsides. also i can add a couple of gigs of swap file

>>105644586
SMB is garbage and shouldn't be enabled anyway, there are far better ways to do over-network filesharing. Arguably hosting an FTP server more secure than using SMB.

>IPv6
Thankfully XP doesn't have to worry about that unless you specifically enable it.

isn't that a screenshot of Windows ME?

>>105644586
there are vulnerabilities for SMB but this is irrelevant, since the port on which smb works by default is not normally open on your home network. Its as if someone tried to shoot you with 22 cal when you are standing behind 2 inches of laminated glass. As long as you don't peek out, you are safe.

>>105644684
so just like literally everything else?

>>105644687
>SSD Trim on a 20 year old OS
Memes.
Every single SSD manufacturer, OCZ specifically, added native TRIM support when they started coming out. You just need to get the manufacturer's firmware

>>105644653
The future.
Essentially a baked in encryption and reliability layer built on UDP, built for HTTP/3.

>>105642890
I run Windows 10 without Windows defender and with disabled updates. My system is probably 4-5 years out of date. Nothing ever happens. I have another laptop connected to the internet with Windows XP SP3 and Supermium. It didn't got hacked either. These videos and articles about having a system hacked are fraudulent. They either downloaded the malware themselves or connected the computers directly to the internet.

>>105644678
I just don't want it to open any gaping holes that could affect other machines on my network.
>>105644729
It's XP's Windows Classic theme. ME's Start Menu doesn't look like that.

>>105643029
basically this

The "security" guys and "updooters" probably don't even know basics about networking and just regurgitate something that companies and other businesses want people to think. It's not bad per se, because most people are tech illiterate, but it's plainly not the whole truth and every one in the know knows it.
It's clearly in their best interest that people fear a boogeyman so they buy new hardware, update their software, buy new bloated versions that sucks more, does everything or less, does that x times more inefficiently, is less accessible, breaks the user workflow and looks like dogshit.
Yes, you can get a virus that will do something to your computer if you download a sketchy file and run it, but that's what AV were for if you don't have Common Sense™. They will quarantine the file instantly. There is more chance to download a false positive if the user is not retarded.
Nowadays the user only need to use an up to date browser, use an adblocker and don't fall for retarded scams like you are 1_000_000 visitor and you have been chosen for whatever reward.
The ISPs make problems even if you want to use another router than theirs, they would never allow anyone to connect their pc directly to the internet. It's just retarded. Every internet user in civilized country is protected by firewall by default.

>>105641998 (OP)
No because there wouldn't be drivers, and we need some QoL features like scaling and dark theme. If MS would make something like a Windows Classic with all the modern features (real features, not meme features that no one wants) without any of the modern bloat and shit AND with classic UI then I would even pay for that.

>>105644271
SSDs.

>>105642321
/thread (assuming Debian 12, X11 session)

>>105645304
SSDs existed well before 2012. they date as far back as 1978
I personally got my first one in 2008

I would probably at least need Windows 7 since USB 3.0 support can be bolted onto it.

But there are other, newer things that I take for granted these days (like booting from the PCIe bus) that even Windows 7 can barely interact with, if at all.

>>105641998 (OP)
I'll stick with win11, the best windows.

>>105644964
>The ISPs make problems even if you want to use another router than theirs, they would never allow anyone to connect their pc directly to the internet.
I know some ISPs make it difficult for customers to use their own router, but if you can use your own router then you can connect a PC directly to the modem/ONT - I certainly never had a problem doing that.

But besides that point, firewall software existed even on XP. Even if you don't have a firewall running, if there's no services listening on network ports, then they are closed.

>>105644868
>These videos and articles about having a system hacked are fraudulent. They either downloaded the malware themselves or connected the computers directly to the internet.
This. I actually would love to see a real, honest test about how long a PC with Windows 11 + all the latest updoots or Loonix would last, if they were directly connected to the internet with an unique (no CGNAT) public ip address in bridged mode.
This is how most people connected to the internet back in the dial-up and early DSL days, but no one does this shit anymore. Everyone is behind a firewalled router with incoming ports blocked by default, and also CGNAT from the ISP in many cases. In this setup connecting a XP machine to the internet is perfectly safe as long as you're using an up to date browser

a lot of my machines still run 10, since i dont want to waste money on getting newer 11 compatible systems. 10 is just so good, i dont see the need to upgrade beyond it and i guess i could just find ways to keep ways to keep using 10, like 7 users today. but then upgrading to some newer machines wouldn't cost that much for me.

>>105641998 (OP)
idc about windows updates, i used 7 for years after, I care about software compatibility, if 7 wasnt dropped by most devs id still use it, same with XP

>>105644964
This.
The only thing you really really need today is a good adblocker, because web exploits (especially malvertising) are a serious and real threat that can fuck you up even if you only visit boomer normalfag websites, since many of these sites use third party ad servers that might ocasionally have malvertising.
Most AVs including Windows Defender have browser protection modules that give similar protection as a good adblocker, except with tons of extra bloat.
The updooters and "security guys" don't realize that their AV browser modules (if they don't use adblockers) are the ONLY thing keeping their machines from becoming more infected than a somalian prostitute.

>>105644990
>If MS would make something like a Windows Classic with all the modern features (real features, not meme features that no one wants) without any of the modern bloat and shit AND with classic UI then I would even pay for that.
Same. Are you monitoring this thread, Microjeets? Take notes.

>>105646123
>Same. Are you monitoring this thread, Microjeets? Take notes.
It wouldn't matter.
Even if microsoft wanted to course-correct, they can't.

>>105641998 (OP)
No I only liked NT

>>105641998 (OP)
That's a double-edged sword. If those security updates encourage third-party developers to start supporting XP again, that would be amazing. However, I hate the way Windows handles updates and I don't trust Microsoft to not add bullshit "features" to XP rather than strictly sticking to security patches. I'd better not see a fucking Copilot button in XP.

>>105645405
How does one connect to the internet? if i disable defender will that do the trick?

>>105646123
>something like a Windows Classic with all the modern features (real features, not meme features that no one wants) without any of the modern bloat and shit AND with classic UI
Not possible. It's a lost art. We no longer have the technology, we can't rebuild it. It's like trying to find decent COBOL programmers.

>>105642364
>>105644391
You mean like this?

>>105645385
What you fail to take into account is what happens if your network is accessed, even temporarily, from the outside. A pivot from whatever temporary access can be leveraged to setting up a permanent base on your unpatched machine that can never be patched isn't out of the question. While last night before I went to sleep I was making fun of anyone who would use XP on the internet in 2025, it is pretty retarded after all no matter what you do to force it, with some sense you can avoid these problems. If I was dead set on using such a thing I would not let it be on the same LAN as anything else and lock all the fucking ports down at the router level too, not putting my trust in a software firewall. Why take chances?

>>105642673
>>105642770
>>105642890
>TEH MOMENT YOU CONNECT XP INTO THE INTERNET IT'S HECKIN HACKED
>source: trust me i know I watched le heckin youtube video

>>105648137
Read >>105648118
The "I just use common sense" argument plays out different if you're dealing with unpatched shit. If you insist on it I hope you at least implement some mitigations even if you don't go as far as the island fortress I'm suggesting.

>>105641998 (OP)
yes, for the games

>>105642673
>ackshully i can get away with being a leet haxor
you realize the rest of us dont have mossad on speed dial right?

>>105648118
>>105648156
Well, I've been using that VM for years and it hasn't been hacked. The only time I've ever seen a computer get hacked without the user downloading anything was back when people connected directly to their dial-up modem.

Aren't outgoing ports generally locked down on routers?

Maybe in a triple boot

>>105648118
>What you fail to take into account is what happens if your network is accessed
not a typical arrangement for a home user

>>105648440
Ever heard of a reverse shell? It's not like the party stopped when everyone's machines were behind NATs. Limiting attack surface isn't just about closing ports. It's not obsessing over the the worst case scenario as much as it is making sure if it ever does happen they can do the least amount of damage to your shit before you detect the intrusion.

The only thing I miss from XP days was Space Cadet.

I can't deny. From all these years using computers, Windows 10 was, by a far margin, the most stable windows that I have used. I grew up with XP, but I wouldn't come back to it.

>>105648501
you still haven't explained how simply connecting a XP machine to the internet (via a standard modem+router) is heckin dangerous

>>105648551
Well let's use a hypothetical scenario. What if a dirty nigger manages to break into your home and finds the keys to your car laying on your kitchen table? Preposterous you say! My front door was locked! As if there's no other way he could've made it in. No security is perfect. I'm not trying to fearmonger here I'm just promoting the use of your brain.

>>105641998 (OP)
no because the 64-bit version of windows XP sucks

>>105642535
same, i never once used windows update on xp. i installed sp2 and sp3, but that was all

>>105641998 (OP)
No, I'm genuinely done with their crap. I have no faith in them as a company.
In fact I'm come to the conclusion that any publicly traded company is doomed to mediocrity and poor quality.

>>105648598
BTW I'm at work right now installing Ubuntu Server 22.04 on an old disused PC to be exclusively used for TV tuners. Every time the kernel updates the damn drivers need to be compiled again and I'm sick of it. I plan to lock it down with iptables so only the main IPTV server can connect to it and I'm never going to update it again.

>>105648501
>reverse shell attack
At that point would it even matter what OS you're on?

>>105641998 (OP)
Yeah I would. It's not the best multitasking OS, but it's dead simple, just worked, and stays out of your way.

>>105648633
Well imagine an infected machine is on your network temporarily, or a device supplied by your ISP has a vulnerability, or some retard using a free VPN app on their phone connects to your network and it opens up a proxy through their servers that they sell access to. I'm not saying WINDOWS XP = SURE DOOM I'm giving some advice that applies to everything. Good security hygiene bro. I don't care if I have backups the last thing I want to do is spend time restoring my shit because I got caught lacking.

>>105641998 (OP)
If there was software and drivers for it, yeah sure. However, I'd still mainly use Linux, Windows would remain around just for gaym modding.

>>105648598
in conclusion, connecting windows XP to the internet is not inherently dangerous

>>105645322
>Debian 12
Plasma 6.4's amazing so far anon, idk why you'd cuck yourself like that.
>X11
I do agree with this, assuming all your monitors are all running at the same refresh rate.

>>105648137
They always try the security nonesense to dissuade from using anything that isn't getting updates from microsoft, so sad

>>105648737
In conclusion put that shit on a separate LAN. Or better yet use something that doesn't require much thought. But it's your asshole not mine.

all windows are shit

>>105648514
It was a demo for a game called Full Tilt! Pinball (16 bit). It even works perfectly fine with otvdm (wine based 16bit wrapper like WOW64 for 32bit). The game has 3 pinball layouts and there is a sequel with another 3. The game is abandonware and it's not being sold, but you can find it easily on abandonware sites.

>>105648598
>not fearmonger
fearmonger

>>105649275
What you do is up to you. If you wanna get raped go ahead and spread those cheeks. I'll be over here with my in tact anal virginity.

>>105641998 (OP)
sure. it went downhill after XP. I still use 7 but XP is better at least UI wise.

>>105649294
--quote from Windows 11 user

>>105649401
I would never use such a thing. It came preinstalled on this laptop and I was horrified by it. Wasn't even an hour before I removed that garbage.

>>105649412
>backdoored CPU

>>105641998 (OP)
Likely. All it needs is a better start menu with search built in.

>>105649419
Oh no what are the glowies gonna do, get info about my porn habits?

>>105649426
ever heard of a reverse shell?

>>105649440
Think of it like this. If it gets to the point where a state level actor who would be able to access that is accessing it I'm fucked regardless. Do you think they would just give up if they found out I was a security schizo with a full fledged coreboot setup? Good security hygiene will keep the jobless chinks and ziggers trying to make money out of my system. If the glowies can't get into my system from the outside they're going to come to my house while I'm sleeping. It's a good thing I'm not too worried about being enough of a target for either scenario with those fuckers.

>>105641998 (OP)
if every other software game supported it yes.

>>105648118
>what happens if your network is accessed, even temporarily, from the outside
What "network"? I'm literally talking about about a single XP machine, connected directly to WAN and the security implications of such a setup. Whether it should be done at all is completely besides the point.

>>105648118
>What you fail to take into account is what happens if your network is accessed, even temporarily, from the outside
Literally never happens. I haven't heard a single case in which people's home networks would randomly decide to open itself to the internet. Breaking into people's wifi is a task for which you are too obsessed and too obese.
> A pivot from whatever temporary access can be leveraged
What kind of "temporary access" , updooter? You are more tech-illiterate than all the zoomers I work with taken together.
> isn't out of the question.
Kinda is, and your fear-mongering attempts won't change that.
>>105648501
>Ever heard of a reverse shell?
Ever heard of "blocking outgoing connections" or "not running random executables from the internet"?
>Well let's use a hypothetical scenario.
We already know that you are obsessed.
> I'm not trying to fearmonger here
You literally do. Your brittle ego was crushed by the fact that we pointed out your lack of actual technical knowledge, thats why are you leaking and projecting so hard.
>>105649294
>If you wanna get raped go ahead and spread those cheeks
I don't and thats why I run older windows version. With Windows 11/Troonix you are spreading your cheeks for tiny, brown, shit-stained pajeet cock.
>>105649459
>projecting even harder
People like (you) are by far the most tech-illiterate faggots I have seen on 4chan. Turn off your troonix machine and touch some grass.

>>105650243
Hey look it's the "blue collar worker" from last night back to embarrass himself some more.

>>105648629
In my case, if it's not for something security sensitive, i pick a specific kernel version for the machine in question and pin it. I make some focused hardening and set security updates only for the rest of the system, if i need something specific from a specific piece of software that is included in a more recent version i simply manually update/backport that one single software.
t. Debian/Devuan stable/oldstable faggot

>>105650272
>blue collar worker
How's this an insult? You mean he's got a job?

>>105650275
Everything else that I deal with is security sensitive. Setting up e-waste machines just for TV tuners that will never be updated is a new thing for me. Unfortunately the onboard Intel NIC seems to be fucked on that machine so I need to figure something out. I've already got two pcie slots taken up by the TV tuners so perhaps I'll need a PCI network card. One of the pcie slots is used by the GPU and another is blocked by some kind of cable. It's probably not even worth taking the fucking thing apart and fixing the cable management of whoever built it years ago.

>>105650295
Well I'm sure if I made a retarded rant about his job loaded with stupid political bullshit unrelated to it he would be making fun of me too, and rightfully so.

>>105642673
>>105642890
>>105643120
>>105643384
>>105643287
>>105648118
>>105648598
>>105648689
>>105649459
I herebly grant you the status of Barneyfag the second. Daily reminder to everyone ITT that no matter how low you are in your life, you will never be as pathetic as this guy. Imagine being so buck broken and obsessed about people who just want to use older software. The mere mention of old Windows versions is now /g/'s own Leebait.

>>105650326
Oh no not ranting about computer security practices on the technology board. To turn your own analogy back on you it's like going to the ponycon and complaining everyone is autistic. It's spergs all the way down here anon. If you don't like it try another website.

>>105648629
>>105650318
Ubuntu Server 22.04 should come with the GA kernel enabled by default, which has a stable kABI. What you want to do is make sure that it is in fact enabled (instead of the HWE kernel) and if it still does it, then you'll have to find a way to unhook the driver from automatically recompiling whenever it detects a kernel update, because existing kmods should just work (they might have to just be copied over from, say, 5.15.10.1 over to 5.15.10.2).

>>105650272
>blue collar worker
Even though I do basic manual job for a living, I am more tech-literate than 90% of narcistic ledditors like you.
>embarrass himself some more.
Said the guy who came to 4chan from reddit, tried to larp 1337 h4xx0r and failed miserably while being BTFOd by people who don't even work in IT.

>>105650398
Actually I came to 4chan in 2006 from the IRC channel of an anime fansubbing group. I'm just having a bit of fun blowing off steam, laying out some hypotheticals, shitposting. People like you spend so much time screeching about Fauci and the kikes and whatever that you've forgotten what this is all about. You think I must be having a miserable time on the internet because you are. I wouldn't keep doing this if that were true anon. You didn't btfo me. You just gave me an excuse to post a bit of hyperbole and a few laughs at your expense.

XP was their horribly unstable consumer OS version. Windows 2000 was the much-loved version that people had the best experiences with.

>>105643588
I am forty-one years old. I remember playing Castle of the Winds on my Windows 3.11/MSDOS 5.0 machine.

>>105648118
There's still a lot of people using Windows XP but usually not connected to the Internet. It will be to run the control systems for specialized machines. It's even on ATMs.

I am honestly jealous of the people still running XP. Here I am worrying about hypothetical attack vectors that would expose my Vault VM I store less than 5 figures of crypto on in my Qubes machine to the internet for a second.

For a technology board you guys really are dumb, no one is able to ping your machine directly if it's behind a home router. That video you keep referencing was effectively using the OS as a server (also why would I listen to someone that sounds like a drooling retard anyway?)

>>105650326
Drink bleach you fucking freak of nature

>>105650433
XP was good from SP2 onwards. But yeah, 2000 was peak Windows.

>>105650481
This is really naive. If I somehow get into your network I can ping it. All my posts had nothing to do with any YouTube video and I didn't watch it even when it was recommended to me. To put it bluntly both the YouTube video and (You) have dated ways of thinking about security.

>>105650509
>If I somehow get into your network I can ping it.
>If I somehow get inside Marilyn Monroe's underwear I can have sex with her.

>>105650509
if you managed to get into someone's network, an xp sp3 machine is not going to be the most vulnerable thing you find

>>105650509
If I somehow fucked your mum, I'd no longer be a virgin.

I still use 7 with a 2k start menu

>>105650519
Unless you locked things down tighter than a nun's snatch it's a big fucking liability. I'm talking about turning the unlikely into the improbable. Sloppy work = cascading failure.

>>105650528
Well I've been in people's networks poking around and such a thing would be looking like a snack to me. Especially if I had persistence in mind. I'm not some zoomer parroting second hand knowledge. I was around in the XP days myself. Security was minimal and if your shit got fucked up it was time to reinstall XP. You learned your lessons the hard way in those days.

>Well I've been in people's networks poking around and such a thing would be looking like a snack to me. Especially if I had persistence in mind
You have over 300 confirmed hacks?

>>105650549
>if your shit got fucked up it was time to reinstall XP
these days they also also gain persistence on all the firmware on your network, so it's time to throw away the hardware

>>105650549
>Well I've been in people's networks poking around
What are we talking about here, finding out their wifi password is admin?

>>105650594
If you mean the router password yeah. That's the obvious first thing to try. Even sometimes when I can't get into their router I can open up ports with upnp which can be useful.

>>105650342
>Oh no not ranting about computer security practices on the technology board.
Calling your unhealthy obsession with other people's superior choices is not a rant, Updooter.
>It's spergs all the way down here anon. If you don't like it try another website.
>Actually I came to 4chan in 2006 from the IRC channel of an anime fansubbing group.
You literally came here from reddit, pretending to be an oldfag.
>People like you spend so much time screeching about Fauci and the kikes and whatever that you've forgotten what this is all about.
In case you didn't know, this is not your leddit safespace, and we do talk about kikes and fauci here. Dont like it? Go back.
>You think I must be having a miserable time on the internet because you are.
As I have already mentioned, your pushy, retarded behavior of telling people to run inferior trannyware is more miserable than anything I have seen on this board recently.
>Y-You d-didn't btfo me.
Said the tranny updooter who just got his leaking axewound kicked.
>You just gave me an excuse to post a bit of hyperbole and a few laughs at your expense.
You literally posted the most tech-illiterate batshit faggotry I have seen in a while , that you most likely found on reddit or heard from some IT troons on YT, then tried to claim that it was some sort of a blunder, and switched from "old windows is le bad" to "you are le bad" argumentation. How low can you tranny updooters go?

>>105650603
So normie types that haven't actually configured their router, just kept it as is.

>>105642156
They are still making updates for 7 until the start of next year.

>>105650448
>less than 5 figures of crypto
Lol
T- "blue collar" with over six figures

>>105650617
One person I did that to I got in through something on his Raspberry Pi. Reading his bash history and poking around I could tell he actually knew how to code. Anybody can be sloppy. That's why I preach what I preach. I was accused of being cocky and arrogant or whatever but actually I'm making an argument against feeling like you're invincible. The only thing worse than getting owned is the person who owned you having a good laugh at all your little fuck ups. The little things can bite you in the ass far worse than exploits can too because patching won't save you from your own mistakes. Perhaps I come off as an alarmist but I approach setting up every single thing with this mindset. Thinking about how I would attack it. If you treat best practices like they're just a meme eventually it's going to catch up with you.

>>105650603
>Even sometimes when I can't get into their router I can open up ports with upnp which can be useful.
Anon, even shitty ISP boxes have UPnP off by default these days.

The real conclusion is to safeguard your network. It's first and foremost.
Safeguarding your endpoints is equally as important, but you can't just solely rely on that.

>>105650667
I don't think I'm invincible, I had a virus before from downloading something that was an actual program that installed the malware silently as well. I figured out it turned my PC into a seed box after I checked Wireshark. I frequently run exe's in virtual machines, this time I didn't ofc, so yeah I'm well aware of safe practice and it's why I also physically backup shit if I ever do get sloppy.

That said, the last time I had a virus before that was over a decade ago, I've never had my router hacked into either. So while I don't think I'm invincible, I think I have a pretty good track record.

even if you could use Windows XP, a majority of it's apps and drivers were designed for the 32 bit version because the 64bit versions were only for enterprise machines, which means if you want to actually use it for anything you would be stuck with only 4gb of ram

>>105650699
Well the guy from the example here: >>105650667 got a new ISP supplied router that doesn't have upnp enabled by default so I can no longer open ports. Thankfully he forwarded the port for ssh so all these years later I can still use his Pi as my personal base in Singapore. The anondns subdomain I made to keep track of his IP changes still works too.

>>105650754
xp technically supports PAE, but it's artificially disabled. you could use server 2003 up to 64G of ram even in the 32bit version (though of course individual programs can't use more than 2/3G each as PAE isn't magic)

>>105650754
>>105650785
Windows 2000 Datacenter Server edition also could support up to 64 GBs of RAM.

>>105641998 (OP)
Yes, for performance reasons

>>105650785
>it's artificially disabled
It's not "disabled" per se, it's just the hardcoded limitations in the kernel that limit you how much memory you can access, depending on the edition. PAE also allows the NX bit to do its job, accelerating DEP.
https://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/windows/license/memory.htm
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/memory/physical-address-extension
As far as I'm aware in NT6-based systems, it's the Product Policy that manages the license-specific stuff, including x86 maximum memory limit (Kernel-WindowsMaxMemAllowedX86).

The stability, on the other hand, depends on whether 32-bit device drivers can correctly handle memory addresses above the 4GB threshold. Incompatibilities were the apparent reason why the 4GB limit was imposed starting with XP SP2.

Whats the matter, janny? Did my wrongthinkerino about freetroons and updooters made your clitty leak? Here is a thing, I VILL evade for as long as I want, YOU VILL NOT stop me, YOU VILL ban this IP address and YOU VILL do it for free!

>>105652231
not posting like a turd-world teenager would benefit everyone, not just the mods

>>105643120
People just want to use a system that is not designed like garbage. It doesn't mean they have potato PCs. Because people accept garbage they (Microsoft) can get away in making shittier things with every iteration.

>>105652596
If you think XP isn't designed like garbage you probably either weren't around when it was in common use or you have rose tinted glasses when it comes to the past. It was a fun time to be online. Many lessons were learned. We moved on.

Probably, I always prefer using lightweight software. Also ran TinyXP at the time too.

>>105652650
xp had borders, visual cues and colors that actually pass WCAG A

>>105652750
i remember xp being bloated as fuck, which just goes to show how bad things are today

>>105652788
True, it does skew perspective. TinyXP was pretty bloat-free if I recall.

>>105652788
The cool thing about XP is that you can open services.msc and disable all the bloat like remote registry.

>>105641998 (OP)
Why would I and why do you care about "security" updates?

"Security" is what NON-Windows OS are for. OS are basically just apps which run other apps so having any or many is trivial.

Why do you imagine you need what updates do? If you're an OG XP user running any OS or many OS is trivial so fucking load XP in a VM (faster than the now-ewaste it came with) and go play!

You do not need only one OS. That's for computer illiterates.
ALL major OS are easy to use unless you're stupid.

>>105643538
You are free to compile from source and make a completely custom install. You aren't important enough to spy on, that's a delusion of self-importance. Stop pretending you matter outside your own head.

>>105644167
That's all most of 4chan really cares about so it's nice to see someone admit it.

>>105653660
thats crazy dude now please do the needful and send the bitcoin to the address before i wipe your data

>>105653660
you don't need to compile anything on linux
just add mitigations=off to boot flags
windows had some application for toggling something as well
but spectre and meltdown were accounted for for some time already in microcode and design of newer processors so the difference is much smaller than when the security flaws were discovered

>>105641998 (OP)
Probably not as it has a RAM (4GB... in THIS browser economy????) and drive (2TB, in THIS 6TB economy?) limit.

>>105650785
I've messed with PAE-patched kernels in the past. They ran like shit. There's almost no reason to run XP x64 either since most 64-bit apps won't even run on it, and you lose 16-bit backwards compatibility. I'm saying this as someone who used to run it as a daily driver too.

>>105644508
Not an argument. Show your work on hardening unsupported XP.

>>105653867
Is that 2TB limit for a whole drive or just a partition?

>>105641998 (OP)
No. Even if you hack it to support more total memory, XP still caps out at 2GB of RAM per application. Modern web browsers and web sites are basically unusable on it.

>>105648083
NTA but what theme are you running?

>>105653951
Thorium and Supermium work just fine though. Sure, you might have issues with modern software, but ported browses + old software will do just fine.

>>105641998 (OP)
I just threw out the motherboard that ran XP all through High School.

>>105642364
>good newer features
Like what?

>>105653880
> most 64-bit apps won't even run on it
Where does this myth come from. I was running win2k3 x64 till 2020, and lots of 64bit software worked.

Also, not all software needs to be 64bits to experience the benefits of 64bits. A single 32bit application running on a 64bit machine can use 4GB of ram without having to share.

My nostalgia wants me to say yes, but realistically what would it offer me

>>105655533
This "myth" comes from me actually using XP x64 as my daily driver in the early 2010s. It sounds like you've had better luck finding compatible software for it though. Were you able to run the 64-bit version of RetroArch?
> A single 32bit application running on a 64bit machine can use 4GB of ram without having to share.
In theory but has Windows ever actually allowed that?

>>105641998 (OP)
Absofuckinglutely and in a heartbeat.

>>105655610
> has Windows ever actually allowed that
Yes, its a well documented feature. I have made use of it in my own software.

What would be the point? You'd still have to patch it to work decently on more modern hardware and software. And I doubt Microsoft would be letting a community to support it grow for long, to distract consumers from new shit.

>>105641998 (OP)

>>105657374
Kill yourself JustPassingThrough.
KILL YOUR FUCKING SELF.
https://derpibooru.org/2217720

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>>105642156
Windows 7 was peak windows

>>105646167
>>105647577
Just hire white people. I literally program for a Linux desktop environment that does a lot of the stuff W7 did.
What if I became an intern and fixed those parts of explorer/dwm.exe when I'm not doing whatever menial task they give me?
>>105648611
This desu but it doesn't mean much when Linux also cucks out in everything. Linux is in it's W8 era with the way Wayland and GNOME are being handled.

>>105653828
I don't know if the mitigations are on or off when it comes to any of my machines. I don't notice. They're all fast. I'm not going to bother with it. When it comes to compiling I need to do it sometimes. But most people with normal needs probably will never need to.

>>105657612
>Just hire white people.
We have lost the technology for that, saar.
>What if I became an intern and fixed those parts of explorer/dwm.exe when I'm not doing whatever menial task they give me?
The biggest issue with Explorer in W11 is bloat, and that would pretty much take a rewrite since they've more or less made it an Electron-like "modern" app now. Load a folder with 1000+ files in it and it'll do the same thing as a browser when you load in excessively many elements in a scrolling page. The old W10 and before Explorer didn't struggle with this nearly as much since it's a glorified ListView widget that handles scrolling large lists much better.

>>105657612
>Just hire white people.
that's very racist saar

XP after SP2 and especially at the end of its life with SP3 and when they STOPPED adding shit to it was the most solid-yet-out-of-the-way OS one can only dream of. It did exactly the things right that you wanted from a desktop OS: It booted, loaded the drivers, provided you a very basic GUI and then got out of your way for the rest of the day!

No onedrive. No "libraries". No app store. Nothing you could not remove with ntlite. Hell, my installation disk was 100mb at max and the thing idled at around the same amount of RAM with my X201 back in 2012 or something - while being FULLY functional as an OS.

Yes, with only very minor modifications to actually work with modern hardware ... I'd use it again.

>>105653962
https://www.deviantart.com/vaporvance/art/Aero10-for-Windows-10-1903-22H2-909711949

>>105659652
Thanks, anon.

Stupid fucking neoluddites. Throw your poverty squiggle system away and get something capable of running Qubes OS!

>>105641998 (OP)
No because it's not just about security, it's about feature support and modernization.

>>105661322
Shut up poojeet, nobody cares about your shitty bloatware.