How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (Measurements, Targets, Equalizer, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki:
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Tangzu Wan'er S.G 2 (Mild V) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) - $8
• EPZ TP13 (8-Band PEQ) - $17
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>105612556

>>105642177 (OP)
>Moondrop's latest 2DD HODDUS DOCKING technology

>>105642177 (OP)
this is a blue board mister

For me its the ER2se

Just got around to measuring my Hype 2 and 4, and man is the channel matching disappointing, not for the price, just in general.
I don't know how KZ manages to have near perfect channel with their cheapest models, while companies like Thieaudio who most likely have much higher margins cannot spare the effort to improve their QC.

>>105642317
This is what i felt with the wankers, muffled pos, has this kind of low fi-ness to the sound, reminds me of old speakers

>retards follow foxzo
>miss the whole point
>retards read eqzo
>miss the whole point
>retards read research
>miss the whole point
>retards find the most inane retarded random blog post from cableloverfucker23555
>suddenly become the best literature researchers of the millennia
what is wrong with you autistic chimps

>>105642374

>>105642404
>+50 tech points (TP) for cosmetic vents
>-100 TP for QDC (see p.6 of TP manual for explanation)
>p.6 Convention for QDC effects: -100 TP for QDC pos < $100, -999 TP $100 < pos < $1000, +250 TP pos > $1000

>buy epz without the techs faceplate
>it sounds bad

>>105642322
>buys multi driver pos
>expects good channel matching
anon...

>>105642374
epz g10 and q1 pro is in the op recommendations too, you know...

>>105642166
Literally nobody ever said their tuning is good why the fuck would you expect that?
Add 4+dB bass shelf, 2-3 dB in the middle and remove 3-4 dB from 6k. Boom tuning solved

>retards read op
>miss the whole point

Buy QKZ x NGGAR for the treble techs

>>105642475
Because it's literally the best pos for eq

Speaking of EPZ, I think they cooked here. Considering it's filterless it might be the last IEM you'll ever need.

>>105642177 (OP)
Selfcest?

>>105642505
damn, maybe a tiny bit too much in that 4-7k region, but apart from that it looks great

>>105642505
>300 buck BA pos
Bro you ok?

sounds much better with eq now

>>105642532
holy shit please fix your ui it looks nasty

>>105642505
>8mm DD
Gay.

I realize I haven't reviewed either of the Hype, but I'm not keen on doing so because while I think they are mediocre, they aren't bad in any way. It's just that there's little reason for me to grab these over say the Q1 Pro or Bunny which are just as great with EQ.
I don't know, I might post some compression measurements and insertion depth animations and be done with that.

>>105642542
what exactly

>>105642576
The review: BA pos, avoid.

https://pw.squig.link/?share=IEF_Comp_Target,EPZ_G10,KZ_EDC_Pro
why would anyone buy epz g10

>>105642609
So true, ratsista.

>>105642606
using the "now playing" tab is kind of stupid if you properly laid out your library. it brings nothing to the table between the library or the theater mode
make the white grey or something, it looks jarring with the grey theme
use cooledit nostalgia if you want a better spectrum visualizer

>>105642609
Much better comfort to be fair. I don't think the EDC Pro is built badly, but it does feel cheap compared to something like the G10 and Q1 Pro.

>>105642609
EDC pro is hot garbage compared to g10

Truthear Gate... home.....

Fission is pretty decent from my limited listening to it so far
Wish it had more bass and the tuning dials and nozzles weren't all completely useless but it's a pretty clean sound, nothing too exciting.

>>105642609
You can't customize Edc pro

>>105642606
Everything.

>>105642959
wow...what an ugly everything...

next album now

>>105642783
Is the cable good? Is the gimick fun? How does it compare to bunny?

cadenza or g10/q1pro?

This is the only hobby where everyone automatically assumes that other people are smart, coherent, and reasonable.
Everywhere else it's the opposite, you automatically assume the other is an imbecile with no depth.

Anyone own the Supermix 4's? Want to get them but im not sure....some say they are hard to drive, will something like a Jcally JM6 or Fiio JA11 be sufficient?

>>105643236
>some say they are hard to drive
no pos is hard to drive unless you become retarded and buy some singapoo boutique pos

>>105643236
I have them. It is true that they are "hard to drive" but pretty much any decent dac will do it just fine.
Hard to drive thing is mostly about laptops, phones etc and some other special cases.

>>105643115
The cable is decent but it curls back up kinda easily when in use which is disappointing.
I didn't even bother with the gimmick because from everything I heard about it, it just decreases the bass and I'm already itching for more bass on the default sound.
Shell is comfortable like Bunny. I didn't really do any A/B testing to compare the two though to see their similarities and differences.

>>105643115
>>105643368
if the cable is shit then the pos is shit
that's the only reason to get it, it's basically their cable x with dsp

>>105643380
Well it's definitely a better cable than the one on the Bunny, just wish it had less memory to it.

>>105642532
You can do better anon

>>105643408
close, add a spectrogram display under the left cover art to fill in the gap, and make the whole column thinner (too much empty space in the playing tracks section)

https://youtu.be/ymBY101fxaU
Post listenings.

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment foruns and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment and go support the music artists you like.

>>105643536
no, fuck off

>>105643494
>>105643536
Remember to only listen to real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktvmKVfkpGo

>>105643638
>apple music
>w11
>utorrent
>telegram
>neil young
holy shit, i think we found the most faggoty faggot in /iemg/ history

official KPOP IEM
which KZ base model did they repackage?

>>105643536
I cant support artists, I need to save money for soundstage

>>105643649
thanks honey

>>105643654
not as bad as i imagined

do better

>>105643649
Doubly impressive considering he competes with saintzo and foxzo.

>>105643654
>in-ear bomb

you guys don't look at the FR of your music?

so i got the KZ ZS10 Pro 2 and seem less punchy than CCA CRA, what gives?

Moondrop block came in, I've been playing around with them for a couple of days so here's a quick review for whoever might be interested.

They're $20 and I like them quite a bit, they're my first tws Bluetooth earbuds or whatever people call them now so I can't really compare with other models.
They sound nice for buds you'd wear when fucking around in the garden, wrenching on your car, cooking or whatever. They get shat on by my more expensive gear that's more focused on critical listening but the blocks really aren't made for this kind of thing. Somehow they do have some bass, it really doesn't go that low but it's there, vocals and most instruments come out nice but they lack a bit in the high highs, then again they're just little speakers that hang in your ears so I'm pleasantly surprised.
Fit is a bit weird, maybe I'm just not used to non-iems, you need to get the angle just right or sound quality suffers, it's easy enough to do but you can't just shove them in your ears. They feel a bit unstable in your ears but I couldn't get them to fall off no matter what I did.
Touch controls are ok, they work. Latency is pretty low and good enough for videos and movies, I haven't tried gaming with them.
I'm torn on the case, it's super small and looks good, it not having a lid is a non-issue for me, but it's made of the shittiest, softest plastic known to man. They haven't left my desk and the case already got some phat scratches, I'm convinced you could scratch it simply by glaring at it hard enough.
All in all I love them, I'll still try the Huawei freebuds se 2 or 3 in the near future just to see what they're like since they seem to be the only other decent budget option for non-iem tws earbuds.

>niggas using a player instead of cracked spotify

>>105643862
>2025
>streaming

>>105642959
Pawbs...

>>105643788
>adhd retard colors
>low res
>one channel
>no y axis
>>105643840
check their graphs, zs10 pro 2 has less bass
>>105643862
good luck using streaming when content is region locked, or just missing

>>105643840
because it has less bass and is brighter

At the advice of /pcbg/ I'm asking here, basically just copypasting the post.

I need some help lads. I just got my MAG321UP. I need a pair of cheap PC speakers that don't look like garbage. I don't need any audiophile gear cheap $20 or whatever set of speakers will do just fine. pretty much something that I can just power through the USB (either the one on the monitor or the one on the PC) and just plug into the monitor's audio jack because I also have a console hooked up to it. I'll pretty much mostly use it to listen to random youtube shit so as long as they don't rattle it's fine.
I was looking at something like picrel but I unironically noped just because I can't put it directly under the screen on the account of base of the monitor not being flat.

>>105644041
there isn't really a point asking for advice. get w/e $20 shit and deal with it. none of them sound good, but they will make sound.

*Thieaudio Prestige LTD*

"IYKYK"

>>105644064
fucked up again, embarassing!

thieaudio sucks balls never buy from them

reminder to check your local/national online auctions, you might be able to score some mega deals on returned amazon/online purchases

epz g10 won again

>>105644342
There are risks to that, if something is returned it was returned for a reason. Maybe it was channel imbalance or cosmetic defects, or maybe the guy just wanted to try a pos and didn't like it. All these chinkshit vendors are unscrupulous to the max, they will resell defective units in the hopes you don't notice.

>>105644342
>>105644367
Amazon sells used IEMs as new... better get your chinkshit straight from the source.

>>105644395
Also true, but Amazog will let you return no questions asked.

>>105644342
>buying used pos
that is the most disgusting thing ever, imagine sharing earwax and getting an ear infection for being a cheapskate

>>105644414
BA pos, avoid

>>105644343
CCA CRA was the last budget iem worth its salt

>>105644701
cra is one of the worst pos ever made

>>105644844
yet many reviewers gave it S in techs

>>105644850
reviewers lmao be fr

>>105644850
>stuck in 2022
>still believes in techs
>shilling overpriced ear rape meme

what app are you guys using to listen to music?
I'm trying to find a modern app with stuff like auto synched lyrics support and artwork grabbers and stuff but I'm finding nothing
maybe any standalone tools for android

>>105645045
w10:musicbee
android:hibymusic

>>105644342
>check local/national auctions
>everything is more expensive than buying brand new from China

>>105645045
Poweramp is the best android player

do most iem users have tinnitus?

She has reached endgame.

>>105643707
kek
>>105645209
no?

>>105645209
only kz owners

Oh shit streambros it's over!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_q1_p_sHqU

>>105645389
FLAChads win again.

>retards watch shitty yt recap video of shitty research
>still somehow miss the point

>>105645071
hiby doesn't have the lyrics stuff... does muaicbee have lyrics stuff? like lrc files?

>>105645135
I'm trying it out it seems pretty clunky, and no lyric stuff either.

>>105645471
musicbee has lrc support and also lyric search, not sure if it's through plugins or not but you can choose what sources you want them from, live subs or not, etc
>no lyric stuff either
poweramp also has support for lyric tags and lrc files

>tried tanchjim one dsp cable
>its super stiff and cracks every time you touch mic
>tried 7hz zero usb-c cable
>its just hiss during playback.
>not even going to try moondrop dsp slop because it's either gonna hiss or fall apart in 2 weeks
Can chinks make just 1 (one) fucking usb-c cable with mic that's good

>>105645499
I know they have support for them, but it's 2025, I thought by now someone would have made an android music player that can look up album art and lyrics automatically.
instead I have to make termux python scripts to scrape websites. fucking grim.

>>105645585
maybe not automatically, but for poweramp you have to route it to another lyric app, they show you the steps in the settings
never tried it but i can test it out later

The things people buy instead when their problems could easily be solved with an apple dongle never ceases to amuse me.

>>105645614
at least it's fun, just look at totlzo trying to find the biggest waste of space for their duality

>>105645565
just use a dongle, what are you doing

>>105645606
I think the lyric app just does it all online, I'm trying to make it all self contained offline library, just feels odd that it's not a thing yet. I remember wanting to do those a decade ago, and it's still stuck there

>>105645653
then your only options are lrc files or lyric tags
don't know what you mean by "automatically" if everything is to be offline and selfcontained

>>105645614
What are the problems?

^ Scroll up you stupid tranny

Thoughs?
I never bought a Softears IEM.

>>105645922
they are for singers not music enjoyers

>>105645691
I mean you scan the library, see what's missing and download it to drive.

>>105644920
I dont need to believe in techs, I hear them

>I dont need to believe in techs, I hear them

>>105645971
I can seeaudio, its the truthear,

>>105645922
BA pos, avoid.

should i worry?

>>105646593
HAH

>>105646593
its over

>>105646593
>using touch screen MP3 Players!
>in the year 2025
This is exactly the reason why I stay away from MP3 Players that have a touch screen!

Buy a modified iPod Classic 7th Generation that has an SSD in the eBay! You won't regret it!

https://www.ebay.com/str/andrdshop
https://www.ebay.com/str/ipodznmore

>>105646677
5 ohm output impedance, avoid.

>>105645471
>hiby doesn't have the lyrics stuff
i'm not sure what different methods / tagged file formats, but for some music i have it definitely does read embedded lyrics and auto-scroll as the track plays

>>105646751
yeah but not auto downloading of lyrics

>>105645565
a) cable with mic has always been a shit compromise anyways
b) it's not easy to package clean audio in a micro format. expect better iterations of usb-c cables over time, we're not really there yet

any aliexpress alternatives to etydildos?

>>105646952
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005008469069476.html

>>105646952
yu9 audio stuff
fish, nine, u554/556

>>105646952
2025, KBEAR Neon is forgotten...

thanks bois, looking forward to get these with some industrial hearing protection cups on top for maximum isolation

>>105645389
>>105645399
Are you retarded? This is about dynamic range compression and it ultimately still comes down to "don't listen too loud", they're just suggesting that existing standard definitions of "too loud" might be wrong for "overcompressed" sound and consequently need updating.
Btw their baseline is a piece of pop music (Adele - I miss you) that's clearly already compressed to some extent, I'm really curious about their "overcompressed" version and whether it's even remotely close to something you might encounter in the wild or more of an irrelevant fringe case.

>>105647186
damn you ain't gonna hear shit

Xenns Top Pro yeah or nah?

Bought a Surfans F20

How much did I fuck up?

>>105646700
>T. butt hurt chump
Kek!

>>105647878
You should have bought a modified iPod Classic 7th Generation that has an SSD in the eBay, buster!

>>105647923
Those iPods are like over double the price of the Surfans though, and don't they run Rockbox which is the same thing you can put on the Surfans?

>>105647989
The iPod Classics can actually run the Rockbox!

>>105647989
I don't know why I posted this comment! :c
>>105648013 Okay, the reason why the modified iPod Classics are expensive in the eBay is because you get what you pay for!

>>105647775
yesyesyesyseyesyesyes

>>105647253
>This is about dynamic range compression and it ultimately still comes down to "don't listen too loud"
Are YOU retarded? Compressed tracks sound worse at every volume. This is why you don't just download flacs, but specifically search original releases. Because newer releases will be compressed.

>>105645955
You hear ear rape but believe you hear techs.

damn I bought tons of IEM and they all can't compete with my old and trusty ATH AD-700

>>105648753
ur fault for buying kzigger shit

>>105647989
If you got an ipod why would you put turdbox on it? Also the dac in the ipod is better than shitfans

>>105648615
You dont hear any detail in your muffled budget pos

>>105648860
what should I buy next?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKkQytAEsXY

Just admit it, he won.

>>105649234
Has he finally goten laid or does he still pick a weird new hobby every month?

>>105649234
Saaaaar don't watch crinacle

>>105649234
Just put the poo in the loo bro.

Best IEMs under $30,000?

>>105649305

>>105649305
Just get kz edx pro

>>105649315
Superceded by any pos

Today I dreamed of the fixed nozzle Origins again....

>>105648600
Show your results for spofity VS flac test lmao if you can hear compression this good
Guess what? Every time it gets posted nobody can hear the difference for fuck

>>105649377
>he thought it's about file compression
Brainletzo...

What's with iem and anime girl box

>>105649384
Box art is like 50% of sound quality.

do you guys believe in burn-in or it is a meme?

>>105649415
MRS measured a significant difference in a BA after 100 hours of pink noise

>>105649422
The dreaded BA pos strikes again...

>>105649422
what about DD

>>105649315
what's the point of having both g10 and q1 pro?
isn't it essentially the same iem?

>>105649441
Fox techs stack.

>>105649447
lol

>>105649431
Dunno. But I'd guess some stiffer materials could soften with time, if thats a good or bad thing is hard to say

>>105649344

tfw I have both edc pro and g10 but I prefer my g10

>>105649422
Proof?

>>105649431
DDs do not have a burn in 100%
It was checked a thousand times over

>>105649751
Same but q1pro. EDC pro has an awful fit and weird treble peaks that make them sound metallic. Q1pro is much smoother, easier to eq and have a godlike fit and comfort

>>105649751
With EQ, right?

>>105649792
yeah, I EQd it but not that much, just adjusted some bass and treble mostly

>>105649755
Wdym prove just find the vid in his channel subhuman retard

I went back to single flange tips for the last couple weeks to see if I've been wrong, especially since triples do make the sound warmer (which I don't really like), and if I need to eq the lower frequencies, I might as well just use single flange and eq the high frequencies instead. Turns out, triple flange is still better, because in addition to fix ear canal resonances, it also removes these dips around 9 kHz (very noticable on Truthear Gate), which are hard to eq back in.

I used sine sweeps and the flac version of this track to check: https://youtu.be/J9yy81yLuOE. This is a bright mix, and on your shouty single flange pos, the hi-hat and synths will sound more prominent than the voice. On my triple flange pos, the voice is the center of attention, as it should be. (The voice actress of Setsuna has such a cute voice.)

I use a bit of eq to address the added warmth, by using a lowshelf at 1 kHz, -2 dB, but this is probably depending on taste, I do like a bright-ish neutral sound. Treble is just perfect, no need to eq.

>>105649824
Just fkn link it

>>105649895
It was called "is burn in real" or something of that effect

>>105649946
I don't see it.

>>105650016
https://www.youtube.com/live/0dkUyduX63I?feature=shared

>>105650094
Thanks...
Well that's not a lot... Things other than actual ba burn in can be in play here

Celest Wyvern Pro arrived and it obliterate wanker, will compare with others later

>>105650216
Isn't wyvern pro just wyvern with mic? It graphs almost identical to waner (a bit brighter maybe)

>>105650258
Idk but the wankers sound like they come pre clogged, I got another sealed wanker so I might compare again to see if it was a fluke. The wyverns sound very good, doesnt feel so congested.

>>105648600
>Compressed tracks sound worse at every volume.
Yes, but at low volume it won't damage your hearing and that's all this is about. For context, they blasted the guinea pigs with 102 dBA average for 4 hours (because apparently that's the safety limit for concert halls in France).
And again, their "uncompressed" baseline is already compressed (DR4 according to that database), thus I suspect their "overcompressed" version is far more aggressively compressed than even the worst shit you might encounter in the wild.

>>105642177 (OP)
Best (under $100) IEMs for watching movies? Surely we've beaten home cinema with their shit speakers by now?
It's a serious question, I can't afford home theater or even a big TV.

>>105650413
any 1DD + EQ

hybrids = techs
1DD = no techs
simple ass

>>105650544
s/techs/mental illness/

Techs = boosted unnatural treble

>>105650497
Any front vented 1DD + EQ
Very important distinction.

>>105649377
I do hear a difference, as in the lossless ones are overwhelming to my hearing which make me unironically prefer the youtube sound.

>>105650604
I know Gatos have two vents, one in front of and one behind the driver. Why is this important?

>>105649380
nobody here is talking about compression in the audio mastering sense. nobody here talks about mixing audio, on that note either. a good mix is the starting point for imaging and soundstage, but literally nobody here has that conversation because mixing audio is voodoo to some people.

Wyvern sounds much cleaner and less congested than the wankers, theres a nice stereo separation on the wyverns that they miss. I'd say the wyverns have better sense of resolution than HBB by a tiny margin too, but both sound very open and nice

>>105650598
not how it works, retard

>>105650623
Just do the test, bro
https://abx.digitalfeed.net/spotify-hq.html

>>105650692
The topic was literally about compression in the audio mastering sense. Dynamic range compression if it's still not clear.
>>105650623
Youtube has lower volume due to normalization.

>>105650700
Ask me how I know your pos has boosted treble.

>>105650693
Missing from the ranking are moondrop starfield, crinacle crn pro and some others that dont deserve mention

>>105650670
The front chamber vent is for pressure equalisation.
The back chamber vent is for tuning and brings up the low end.

>>105650799
And how is the front vent important then? I can just lift my ear after inserting them to break the seal and relieve the pressure.

>>105650780
Hmmm I think I'm noticing a pattern here. Are you sure you aren't deaf? Clearly you like brighter more shouty pos

>>105650879
Which one triggered you? If this is over the zero reds, the crossover is complete garbage, imaging in games is atrocious, voices are weird and it feels like chunks of audio are missing.

>>105650943
And also I tried eq'ing up the treble of the wankers to match my preference, its just bad

>>105650879
I thought about this recently; everyone can hear low frequencies, but only young and healthy ears can hear very high frequencies, so maybe an overly bright pos is like an augmented ear, ascending nature and listen to details you couldn't usually hear, like an ubermensch. Using warm pos is emulating the hearing of a 80 year old, who would want that?

Dont worry guys I just eq'd wankers to have 20db treble boost, they still sound worse than wyverns even if I cut off past 10khz.

Hope that solves it.

reminder to read the eq guide if you don't want to end up like a retard

>>105651105
You EQd shit that barely even matters. Start with adjusting 200Hz. Then try adjusting 5kHz.

origin > ea500 > oxygen

>>105651165
bad advice. for treble one should adjust ~8 kHz

>>105651191
1 oxygen > 10 saargud

>>105650736
what I'm saying is that nobody here is having a real conversation about it. ever.
>>105650756
"fake detail" is the retarded argument you're wanting to make when the techs department is handled by other things.
>>105650879
people enjoy varying amounts of treble. literally get the fuck over it.

eqzo should start doing some udemy or linkedin courses because clearly none of you can read

>>105651257
>I have retarded boosted treble pos but techs definetely DON'T come from it, they're from uhhh... *checks notes* driver quality(unmeasurable)

>>105651221
When you have muffled overall sound it's almost never about the treble. When it's just the cymbals then it might be treble.
>>105651257
IEMs don't do mixing, why would that ever be discussed here.

>>105651281
>I can't wrap my head around product X sounding better than product Y regardless of X being built better with better materials and implementation.

sounds like a you problem

>built better
>can't explain why

>>105651329
>he can't read graphs
Lmao

>>105651313
>IEMs don't do mixing
what does this mean? recording engineer mixes audio on reference speakers best they can. good speakers more accurately reproduce the engineer's efforts. how hard is that to understand?

>>105651338
>>105651340
NEET samefagging is all I see.

>>105651313
When the sound is muffled then I would introduce a lowshelf, and not adjusting high frequencies. In general I would always use EQ with negative gain, as you don't need any pre-gain then. But when the sound is too bright, then I would suspect it's an ear canal resonance, so I'd try adjusting ~8 kHz instead of 5 kHz.

>>105651350
>what does this mean?
That whatever the engineer did is final. IEMs won't change it. IEMs can only affect the tonality. There's nothing inside IEMs that can change anything else. So if you hear "speed", "resolution" or whatever - that's actually just tonality. Learn how to listen.

>>105651365
Ear canal resonance is almost never at 8kHz.

>>105651366
>That whatever the engineer did is final.
partly true. the intent of a good mix is for instruments to be easily discerned from one another, while being placed intently on the FR spectrum. a cleanly mixed kick drum won't interfere with a bongo when placed in the mix correctly. you get your stereo imaging when the engineer places a sound in the mix left or right. you get a sense of soundstage when an instrument has lower or higher gain than the next instrument. it depends on the track and who engineered the audio. every. thing. is. placed. in. the. mix. with. intent.
good speakers reproduce this effort accurately. iems can do this too. a good mix is a good mix and not every speaker can replay this well.
I'm not making an argument for iems changing anything. I'm making the argument that a good mix will be noticed with good gear. that's literally it

>>105651353

>>105651427
And why in the absolute fuck would we talk about this when the best track for testing IEMs is pink noise.

>>105651105
I don’t know wtf you’re talking about but I know one thing based off this comment: You EQ’d entirely wrong

>>105651376
What's the point? It's always closer to 8 kHz than to 5 kHz.

>>105651483
Insertion depth affects the level of 5k and then there are moving peaks. You're almost always better EQing 7kHz instead of 8 for the first peak, but with shallow insertion it can be even lower, I had it at 6.4k with vk4, at 6.7 with most other IEMs. The second peak is somewhere around 11kHz.

>>105651450
>best track for testing IEMs is pink noise
best track for testing is any audio you already understand as having any level of mixing and can compare with other tracks.

>>105651512
This is true. For me the resonance peak is usually around 6.5khz-7khz. Luckily the spike in actuality is much smoother than a coupler shows.

>>105651512
Sometimes there's also a 15kHz peak that instills the sound of cheapness into the IEM, like the driver is crackling when playing music.

>>105650943
You are not exactly making your case better... Chunks of audio are missing? That's insane shit to say unless your unit is faulty

>>105651512
>Insertion depth affects the level of 5k
5k is barely affected by insertion depth, see picrel. Also, the treble peaks of the different insertion depths here range from 6.5 to 10 kHz, so I'd still recommend EQing ~8 kHz instead of 5.

>>105645874
Never said I was anything else other than a saint.

>>105651620
>see picrel
Some retard normalized it by 4kHz. You can clearly see 200-3000Hz stay the same, everything else changes.
>oratory
Well that explains it.

>>105651620
Can we get a webplotdigitizer-zo in the chat to make this shit actually readable.

>>105651643
not normalized anywhere wtf are you talking about
the truth is that the resonance can be anywhere from 5 to 10 khz depending on ear canal length which also changes with ethnicity
why are you retards still arguing about this, it does not matter in the slightest, just use music and eq like a normal person with a fully developed front lobe jfc

>>105651643
You have never tried deep-insertion iems, did you? 200 Hz does definitely not stay the same.

>>105651620
Shallowest insert 5k is about the same as 3k
Deepest insert 5k is -4dB compared to 3k
I'd say that's a pretty big difference

>>105651643
I don't think it's normalized at all so it shows the slight gain at lower frequencies you get with deeper insertion

>retards see pic
>miss the whole point

>>105651671
>not normalized anywhere
Blindzo...

>>105651667
>webplotdigitizer
>2025
bro...
>>105651682
>literally not normalized
you are not ok, seek immediate medical attention

>>105651675
>shows the slight gain at lower frequencies
Nigga, the entire graph gets elevated, what happens when you move driver closer to the mic?

Why even include the EQ guide in OP if nobody reads it
Whoever wrote it should just spread it out everywhere instead, it's being wasted here, we either have anons who already know the details, or subhuman illiterate retards
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/how-to-eq/eq-with-personal-measurements/#insertion-depth-and-ear-tips

>>105651711
A graph not made by a reddit retard, a real Christmas miracle.

>>105651708
That's literally what I was talking about? By lower frequencies I meant everything below treble.

>>105651726
If you meant to say 90% of the sound gets boosted then congrats, that was fucking useless.

>hundreds of pictures posted
>still no evidence that treble adjustments should be made at 5 kHz rather than 8 kHz (not for yourself, but as advice for others)

>>105651747
>should be made at 5 kHz rather than 8 kHz
Nobody said that. You should adjust 5kHz and 7kHz at the same time. Adjusting 8kHz just digs a deeper trench into the 9kHz dip most 1DD IEMs have.

>>105651672
On that particular graph. With real IEMs it's up to debate whether there's something actually going on or you just have a better seal.

>>105651760
>Nobody said that.
already memory-holed

>>105651787
>You're almost always better EQing 7kHz instead of 8 for the first peak
>>105651512

>>105651786
It's probably not the seal, here some anon explained it:
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105402525/#105405780

>>105651787
Translation for the disabled.
Low IQ: 8kHz dip
Mid IQ: 7kHz dip
High IQ: +/-7kHz dip by ear and 5kHz dip/boost by ear.

>>105651869
You act like you said that from the beginning. But it's good to hear that I could finally convince you that
>Then try adjusting 5kHz.
is bad advice.

>>105651891
It's a good advice for your problem, which is not ear canal resonance.

you silly people really enjoy making sure enjoying music is the last thing you'll ever do.

>>105651912
I only listen to brown noise

>>105651912
>>>/mu/

>>105651912
we do talk about music, but there's a reason why this is /iemg/ and not /iemu/ you fucktwat

>>105651891
>completely memoryholed "Start with adjusting 200Hz." because binary brain can only comprehend "treble low" and "treble high"

>>105651921
>>105651929
that's cute. you think pos have a more serious use case than simply enjoying music. aww

>>105651939
let it go

>>105651953
This is a technology board. We are here to talk about technology. Enjoying music is not technology.

>>105651967
No.

>>105651953
who said that? we're discussing technology, not music
if you want to talk about enjoying music, then go to /mu/ and make a thread about gear, it'll be more music focused for you

>>105651953
>comes into a CPU overclocking lab
>guys what games do you play

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>105652144

>>105652144
why did you buy that pos?

>>105652161
cause it's good?

>>105652158
>FOX news
Wow, not even trying to hide their bias. The media is so untrustworthy these days.

>/iemg/ discussing about iems

I don’t know much about technology. Do I need some kind of adapter to make this work on my phone?

>>105652408
If you don't even know what a 3.5mm jack is or a USB-C port is I think you're already too far gone.

>>105651978
what the fuck are you on? talking about music as it relates to the tech we're using is perfectly valid, you uptight pansy ass sniffy bellend.
holy shit you faggots really need to change your tampon

>>105652431
You may be right

>>105652342
I don't know about you but me and my sistas are young and cvte.

>>105652628
Damn right Sista!

>>105652342
discussing iems*
not discussing about iems*
you must be ESL

>>105652542
I mean...he kinda has a point, we're on /g/, not /mu/, you can talk music all you want if you like but the focus here will still be iems and tech

>>105652688
slow down. i wasn't even "talking about music".
I was talking about mixing audio and how it relates to good or bad pos replaying it accurately or not. (You) and the other shitstain only dismissed it because you're dumb as fuck and can't wrap your head around it.

>>105652730
now I see you're just a lazy troll, move on now...

idk what you nerds kept arguing about but slop like adele is compressed af. whenever i see some tard's reference track as rolling in the deep or w/e i am doubly sure he's deaf af. shit voice and shit mastering

>>105652836
True all westoid slop is trash.
Honeyworks is the most revealing artist, this is simply objective fact.

>>105652816
giving up that easy won't save you

>>105650413
sivga que

Budget is 5 grand

>>105653058
Buy 1400 Artti R6

>>105653109
r2 > r1 > t10 > everything else

>>105653140
idgaf

>>105653058
sivga luan

>>105652999
Sigva balls.

Thoughts on AFUL Explorer? Looking for a relaxed, bass-y iem around $100 and thought they looked cool

>>105653788
pretty awful

As a many iem haver, I must proclaim that techs exist, are independent of FR, neutral pos is muffled, and soundstage is the most important aspect of an iem.

>>105653846
well i disagree

>>105653806
Why’s that?

Sound stage doesn't matter

>>105653846
FR fully describes IEM. Nothing is independent of FR

>>105653861
it's even in the name of the iem

>headpossad agent spreading obvious bait
>retards fall for it
lmao

>>105653901
the FR varies by insertion depth and seal, it's useless

>>105653890
>>105653901
oh look, the crazies escaped again

>>105653925
>the FR varies by insertion depth and seal
And soundstage doesn't.........

>>105653949
too many variables are at play for what you're talking about, honestly

>>105653961
There is exactly one variable.

>>105653925
It varies in understood measurable ways. Measured FR is fuckload more useful than hallucinations about techs

>>105653976
>FR describes everything
>5128 tells different things than 711
okay pal, what FR is telling the truth

>>105653993
The FR at your eardrum, bro. Do you not have ears?

>>105653993
You probably should educate yourself before trying to discuss things you don't understand.

>>105654009
>>105654031
you can't even measure FR at your eardrum let alone find correlations

>>105653788
there are pros and cons like anything.
>some pros
decent shell size to fit most people
unorthodox tuning - if you dislike "vocal shout," it may be for you
>some cons
lacks lip on nozzle, ear tips will be prone to slip off
unorthodox tuning - if you like "clear vocals," this is not an ideal choice
simply calling them relaxing isn't accurate. relative to the rest of the frequency range, the lower treble is elevated, and the bass is dominant. it really depends on your ears and preferences, but this kind of tuning is often associated with "under water," kind of sound which can be off-putting and unnatural to some people.
if i were you i'd gamble on the new flavor of the month kefine quatio for quality bass around that price. expect stock to be on amazon in a few weeks

>>105654043
Sure you can. Just complete the band identification training in an app of your choice.

>>105654055
that's very scientific. make a graph using that method now

>>105653964
I can guarantee you, every single mixing session of every recording ever, in the history of audio has an FR chart been considered in the recording, mixing and mastering of any audio. ever.
>inb4 the fuck does music blah blah blah have to do with techs blah blah
motherfucker someone had to place all the sounds in the mix with their knobs and sliders. FR doesn't say a goddamn thing about a recording.
>why does this matter
because your $5 piece of monkey shit pos is congested, with bad layering of instruments, shitty transient response and no holy tuning will ever fix that. with your logic, there should be a money target. every 10Hz has a value and any pos hitting it perfectly has that dollar amount added to its value. fuck you

>still relying on visual representations of fr
>still confusing production with reproduction
oooook time to bake that new thread bakerzo

>>105654083
Literally nothing you said is in any way related to IEMs.

>>105654083
fucked up. i meant never in the history or recording or producing audio.

>FR explains everything
>use graphs to explain things
nooo.... i meant FR at the eardrum.....

i never really thought about it from the perspective of the music file, but yeah the music file is literally just FR lmao

>>105654093
>uses pos to listen to music
>nothing about that is any way related though
it's just bored bait at this point.

best iem for nine inch nails?

>>105654117
>uses pos to listen to music
Rookie mistake.

I listen to predominantly guitar based hard rock

>>105654154
>>105654154

>>105654141
yeah, I use mine to watch porn mostly

>>105654083
>congested
Doesn't exist.
>bad layering
Doesn't exist.
>shitty transient response
Doesn't exist.
Learn how listen and describe your problem properly.

>>105653908
Thanks for your insight, I just purchased them

>>105654158
Wired while fapping is insane

>>105654175
Why are you so autistic? You just sit in here every single day and shitfling while claiming that $5 iems EQed sound and are exactly the same as any $500 or $5000 set. Literally anybody with a brain knows that isn’t true, otherwise we’d all be using gas station skullcandies and they would sound perfect. You unlearned your own common sense through sheer FR autism. I know how pleased with yourself you are but I gotta believe even you know deep down that just like everything else in life, you can’t spend $10 and get end game quality through your tweaking. But your autism can’t think about anything but graphs

>>105654255
Everyone that knows EQ knows this is true. Sorry you wasted money pal.

>>105654276
two dogshit iems