Thread 105645351

Peak Linux Experience.
We have reached Plug-and-Play levels.
It Just Works.
Mogs Arch and Debian.
Shits on Gnome and Hyprland.
Latest Tech Stack, Kernel
Minimal, No Bloat, Not Broken, No Maintenance, Security.

>>105645351 (OP)
Floating taskbars are so ugly honestly.

>>105645353
then dont use it

chrome?

>>105645351 (OP)
**installs global themes malware in your $PATH**
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/linux/kde-advises-extreme-caution-after-theme-wipes-linux-users-files/

>>105645351 (OP)

>Krashes

>>105645351 (OP)
>Another cobbled together shitty Mac OS knock off that barely works
Yawn

>>105645351 (OP)
>*krashes*

>>105645353
>Floating taskbars are so ugly honestly.
You can just turn them off, it's KDE, it's the emacs of desktop enviroments but fast.

>>105645410
>**installs global themes malware in your $PATH**
>https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/linux/kde-advises-extreme-caution-after-theme-wipes-linux-users-files/
Yes, it's terrible.
But security was never priority in the FOSS world.
GNOME lets you install rogue binary extensions by default, needless to say, man gnometards were infected with ransomware and trojans because of that.

>>105645351 (OP)
>We have reached Plug-and-Play levels
You use your computer like a toddler? This shit is anything but PnP if you use your computer as a /personal/ computer. It is like this and it will always be.

>still on Plasma 3.5
wtaf

>>105645459
It's not even comparable. Virtually all GNOME extensions are reviewed, with any exceptions listed here for easy checking:
https://extensions.gnome.org/review/

KDE on the other hand admits it doesn't have the manpower to review extensions it hosts, yet refuses to protect its users from such an obvious attack vector.

>>105645410
>not customizing to your own liking and instead relying on a premade

Does it perform as well in games as arch (nvidia)
Can I install all the random weird shit thats on the AUR?
I wanna switch to something more stable.

>>105645834
>random weird shit thats on the AUR
That's what makes it unstable you dumbfuck. If you install weird shit under Fedora it'll also be unstable

>>105645351 (OP)
>mogs Arch and Debian
You do know you can just install KDE thru your package manager right? Fucking moron.

>>105645351 (OP)
Wow linux can finally do titlebars/tabs in one row?
Times sure have changed.
That taskbar looks retarded though. Centered, I assume flexible width, separated from the bottom of the screen? Why?

>>105645820
Pure cope. There is nothing wrong in theory with selecting from a curated set of high quality themes from your DE distributor. There is something massively wrong with said distributor exposing you to malware.

>>105645842
Well not my fault that the og devs cant be fucked to maintain their package for modern distros. Windows doesnt have this problem with running obscure software (it has a different problem where removing the spyware and adware makes it unstable and that 10/11 is just dogshit to begin with)

>>105645351 (OP)
>Fedora

>>105645353
So set it to not float, retard.

>>105645351 (OP)
>Latest Tech Stack, Kernel
This is the only true thing you said.

>>105645893
friendship ended with ARCH now FEDORA is their new best friend

>>105645893
It's almost like Arch does testing before chucking it into production!

>>105645351 (OP)
Arch has its merits as a compiling environment for some software like Wine but that doesn't need to be as minimalist as Alpine, and Debian is fine for server shit you don't want to monitor constantly. Gentoo has decent support for non amd64 architectures, too. Can compete with Slackware for that niche. That's about the spectrum of useful Loonix distributions really (PSA: Linux Mint has a Debian edition, in case you need something grandpa proof).

>>105646211
Stay on Fedora 41 until next year if you need stability.

posting this from macOS Tahoe
fuck lonix

>>105645351 (OP)
If this is peak Linux, imma buy another Mac in a few years.

I find it too bloated and too broken. I don't like the direction KDE is going.

Instead of making a pragmatic desktop like plasma 5 was with stable features they are now just bloatmaxxing and putting in every single thing without testing it.

I use cinnamon because its snappier with the alt tab now seriously it just werks.

Plasma 5 was the last good version. Plasma 6 had a audio graphic bug where the sliders lagged for over a year and a half so that tells me they just dont give a shit about the linux desktop. I tried to use kubuntu, crackling audio.

Coincidentally cinnamon is so good because its not buggy, just werks and is stable on X11.

>>105647180
Cinnamon is ass too. Try moving desktop icons. Not buggy my ass.

>>105647127
I love tahoe. I especially love how Apple finally added the start menu.

>>105647210
You can change a setting to be movable. They should probably enable it by default since that is how windows but yeah thats how it is by default.

Right click on the desktop and in the drop down menu where it says customize any you'll get this menu, turn off auto arrange

>>105647180
>I tried to use kubuntu, crackling audio.
I don't think I've ever tried a Kubuntu release that wasn't buggy. In comparison my Arch+KDE experience has been solid for years.

>>105647249
Go ahead and drag those sliders and watch how buggy it really is.

>>105647256
I'm on arch+cinnamon now and I have timeshift setup.

All defaults except I'm using XFS but that's the only change. Arch simply is the best distro for the cleanest no bloat experience.

It's what I would consider a "just werks" linux experience that is as close to windows 10 with up to date drivers.

>>105645842
>>105645834
install aurshit in distrobox where it belongs

>>105647273
Idk I tried Linux before buying the MacBook Pro. It just wasn’t for me.

AAAAAAAAAAA IT'S STILL NOT OUT ON CACHYOS

>>105645351 (OP)
vertical screen space is limited and you're wasting it on a floating task bar

>>105647180
>Plasma 5 was the last good version.
I remember people on /g/ crying about Plasma 5 and saying that 4 "was the last good version".
It's always just like this.

The great desktop environment debate that I saw here was that xfce was the true choice and that kde wasn't even close because it crashes all the time
well i got kde anyway and i wasn't experiencing these crashes at all and so thought you know it was just one of those banter things. fast forward to me getting the newest mesa or fucking something, and this thing is crashing all the god damn time now
is there some way to look into this? logs? uh, like how does a person troubleshoot this shit? /kdescannow?

>>105647352
t. never used plasma
it automatically dodges windows or snaps to the edge if a maximized window is present

>>105647502
wrong + dont care, it should be set to autohide by default

>>105647508
set it yourself you autist

i'll switch if they make a proper tiling mode that's not some shitty 3rd party script, otherwise i'm using cosmic.

>Plasma 6.4’s lock screen plays nicer with multiple-screen setups, too. The lock screen’s interactive elements will now only appear on the screen that has focus or the pointer on it. And when it’s time to input your password, the text entered into one password field is synced across all others, avoiding any errors that may cause passwords to be half-entered in a field on one screen, and then the rest in a different one on another screen.
PLASMA IS THE FUCKING GOAT

>>105647388
anyone saying this is retarded. plasma 6 is by far the best they've ever put out and it's not even close

>>105647969
such a huge change that should have been done 15 years ago

>>105645459
>mentions gnome out of nowhere

The update landed on Arch :D

>gpu usage in system monitor
>better screenshots
bretty based

>>105645893
it has now

God Breeze is so fucking fugly.

hey it's manual intervention time, well if you're on X11

>>105645351 (OP)
I don't enjoy working for a company as a free beta tester.

>>105650889
They just need to remove that ridiculous blue tint, and color-saturate the icons a bit more.

>>105651051
GNOME has gone too far this time!

>>105645351 (OP)
>Peak Linux Experience
>We have reached Plug-and-Play levels
>It Just Works
>Mogs Arch and Debian
>Shits on GNO--
*krashes*

>>105645351 (OP)
I am quite satisfied with it. My only minor issue:
I have an HDR monitor and a regular old monitor side by side. If the HDR monitor has something in full screen mode and HDR is on, whenever i move my mouse between the monitors there is a flicker on the HDR monitor. Also happens if i move my mouse again after it goes invisible. Other than that multimonitor works great with HDR and VRR

I'll stick with Debian 12 (KDE on X11 session). But glad you're having fun

>>105651162
KDE bros.... How do we respond (without sounding mad)?

>>105645351 (OP)
I just wish Plasma wasn't so offensively ugly and slow.

>>105651162
>frognigger is retarded

>>105645351 (OP)
Bazzite > Aurora > Nobara > Fedora >>> everything else
>inb4 these are all just Fedora
Exactly. OP is right. Fedora-based distros are literally plug-and-play.

Unironically, they finally fixed fractional scaling. Everything is actually sharp and native res no matter you set the scaling to now. Before 125% would look blurry as shit and there would be a ton of scaling artifacts. Now it just looks native but bigger. Perfection.

>>105645351 (OP)
>We have reached Plug-and-Play levels.
>It Just Works.
alright, go ahead and watch any x265 encoded video on the default install

>>105651996
We get it. You're retarded.

>>105647757
>cosmic
lol, lmao even
call us when shitem76 actually releases it

>>105645353
this
instant deactivate

>>105645353
This. I'll never use a DE based on MacOS.

Nice they didn't fix the adaptive sync bug with high refresh rates

>>105645351 (OP)
>Fedora
LMAO

>>105647344
IT'S TIME

>>105645351 (OP)
What's new in 6.4?

>>105653679
https://kde.org/announcements/plasma/6/6.4.0/
detailed changelog: https://kde.org/announcements/changelogs/plasma/6/6.3.5-6.4.0/

>>105653679
You know those annoying mini sound icon on top of your browser and media player icons in the panel sys tray when sound is playing? You can remove them now.

>>105645351 (OP)
>windows and menus
>web browser playing a video
wow surely 2026 will be the year of the linux desktop

>>105653679
The version number has increased

>>105653702
>annoying
It's an insanely good feature, anon.

>>105653730
I just want to click on my app to switch windows and that icon gets in the way. I have to make a fine mouse movement to not hit it, it's tiring.

>>105653697
why? is there a new better network thing that supersedes NetworkManager like how pipewire rendered pulseaudio obsolete, or it's just some schizo suckless >muh bloat alternative?

>>105653679
In the entire 6.3.x series there was a very annoying bug where if you had multiple screens and turned any screen off and on again there was a 40-50% chance the gpu would randomly freeze and if it unfreezed after a couple of minutes then it would freeze again if you did anything requiring gpu acceleration (like, say, watch a video).
6.4 presumably fixed that bug.
Also some virtual desktop tiling feature (i don't use virtual desktops so I don't care)

>>105654132
Nta but when I installed arch networkd was connecting flawlessly to my 5ghz wifi card so I wish kde/gnome supported it out of the box. Network manager not only I disn't need but required some tinkering. Not saying networkd is better but it would be good for kde/gnome to support different network services

FUCKING FINALLY
THIS SHIT TOOK AS LONG TO GET ADDED AS FUCKING FILE THUMBNAILS IN GNOME

>>105654254
You've got it backwards, networkd is meant to be a very simple networking daemon whereas NetworkManager is specifically designed to be interfaced with by other programs. There's no mechanism to control networkd in the same way as NetworkManager which is why KDE/Gnome won't ever support it like that. networkd for ethernet, NetworkManager for WiFi.

>>105654185
>virtual desktop tiling feature
Like virtual display?
>>105654132
nta, but networkmanger has shitty interaction with wpa_supplicant, I prefer if they move to iwd

>>105655312
>nta, but networkmanger has shitty interaction with wpa_supplicant, I prefer if they move to iwd
you can enable iwd being used as the backend. gentoo has a use flag for networkmanager to do this and arch has a separate package

"it just works" so does every main distro? what exactly makes fedora "just work more" than debian other than the move from kde 5 to 6 which is coming in a month anyway.

>>105645538
>Virtually all GNOME extensions are reviewed
do you even know how shitty the extensions get review? malware gets past google, mozilla and microsoft reviewed extensions ALL THE TIME, what makes you think a group of volunteers can do it better.

>>105645351 (OP)
Is KDE 6.4 any good? I had some issues with KDE back when v6 released, specially under wayland. I've been wanting to do a fresh Artix installation, does KDE work good there?
>>105651051
I'm retarded, so what packages exactly would I need to install if I plan to use KDE with X11?

Has it fixed touchpad gestures yet, or are users still forced to use FOUR FINGERS to show all windows?

>>105651706
The install numbers don't lie

>>105656233
if ur retarded you should stay away from arch based distros. Anyways that's just a warning for everybody updating, something that rarely happens.

As the big black letter says, install plasma-x11-session for X11 to work again, else you won't be able to pick X11 on the login screen.

I too had a lot of issues with early Plasma 6 Wayland, even switched to debian for a short time. Now i'm on 6.3 back on arch and i can't see any big bugs so far, but i haven't upgraded to 6.4 to say if it's alright.

>>105656233
>I'm retarded, so what packages exactly would I need to install if I plan to use KDE with X11?
Exactly what it says, just add plasma-x11-session along with the other Plasma packages you want. I just updated from 6.3.x and my X11 sesh works exactly the same.

>>105653754
100% this. Sub-buttons are such an obviously stupid feature.
>click the button
>no, not like that!

>>105652798
heh

>>105656816
>>105656941
I see. I'm currently using Mint, but I've been messing around with Arch on another laptop and I thought I should also switch to it on my main computer. How long does KDE plan to support X11? (instead of dropping support like Gnome). It just works for me, so I'd like to keep on using it.

I had too many issues on Fedora that I never had on Arch which has been extremely reliable for me.
The only thing I envy Fedora users is how ubiquitous SELinux is there. We already have Secure Boot and TPM2 support on Arch, if there was SELinux support like Fedora has with maintainers doing the chore of adjusting profiles it'd be perfect.

>>105657184
KDE is dropping X11 with Plasma 7.

>>105657524
good

>>105655237
>move without asking you what to do
Why would you ever enable this? You're just increasing the odds of accidentally moving shit around.

>>105657803
nigger

>>105657524
But will they add XLibre support?

>>105645351 (OP)
>We have reached Plug-and-Play levels.
*blocks ur path*

>>105661781
Unblocks your path

>>105661907
as much as i want to like derivative, pre-configured distros like this, i find that they're always janky, broken shit, and their additions over the base distro tend to feel out of place/bolted on. i tried bazzite a few months ago and there was some bug where the cursor was gigantic when you hovered over the terminal emulator they were using. i had a similar experience with nobara but it's been so long i don't remember exactly what jank turned me off from it

>>105655237
Call me crazy, but I actually really like seeing the menu every time.
I probably copy, move, and symlink files/folders about an equal amount of times.

>>105661966
>there was some bug where the cursor was gigantic when you hovered over the terminal emulator they were using
This is a flatpak issue, not a distro issue. I'm pretty sure it's fixed now since I haven't seen this on flatpak apps in months.
>they're always janky, broken shit, and their additions over the base distro tend to feel out of place/bolted on.
Universal Blue distros are the complete opposite. They literally fix all the UX issues Fedora has. Nobara also does this in some places.

>>105661966
>>105661989
if you are not building your own minimal fedora atomic distro using bootable containers and blue-build then you are a noob
don't post on /g/ like you know what you are talking about you fucking plebs

>>105662081
If you're not using Gentoo or LFS, you're a noob. That's it.

>>105662107
>Gentoo
2005 called grandpa
You're such a fucking retard
Bet you don't even know what OCI is

>>105661989
>>105658876
no menu is how it is by default on gnome, xfce, and windows doe

>>105663087
>other interfaces do this therefore it's actually good experience
Windows has ads in the start menu, should KDE include ads too?

>>105645351 (OP)
>but lacks soul

>>105646037
SOVL

>>105645893
it's here on Arch but not on Artix yet

>>105645351 (OP)
>fedora
>plug and play
Lol what about your proprietary drivers/software?

>>105645353
>subjective opinion