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Previous: >>105636835

learn a trade

>Being forced to get certified in AWS AI Practitioner
>Get told to learn how RHEL AI works and how to use it.
Is this how it starts isn't it?

Tick tock.

>>105651475 (OP)
ok but can I do all that with my local LLM and gitea server?

>>105651486
I want my body to work past 40 thanks

>>105651598
>can I do all that with my local LLM and gitea server?
No

Got an interview with FAGMAN in a few hours. Got it purely on merit. No connections. That 30 minute call is going to suck. Who the fuck goes straight into a technical interview?

> here's your interview with 2 people from the team
> the 2 people are reddit-esque tech nerds, technically competent, extraverted, but very obnoxious uptight and licking the company's ass in every possible way

Yeah I didn't get hired because they doubted my ''social demeanour''. Really odd reason considering I passed all the technical stuff. It's really odd when I have a guy bragging about being placed to clients at 150 euro an hour while he probably makes like 35 or 40 an hour at the consultancy. That's less than 1/3. Yet clients still expect someone exceptionally skilled for those rates. So you get the associated stress for a high hourly rate yet you gain none of the benefits.

>>105651755
>Who the fuck goes straight into a technical interview?
Competent companies
>>105651780
Just from your post it's obvious why you didn't get it kek

>>105651598
80% of the time you run into complete and poorly documented stuff or things that are inherent org knowledge. In that case you can dump as much prompts as you want but the end result won't be satisfactory. For the very easy grunt work jobs this will be a slaughter though since their easy tickets can be automated and done significantly faster.

This field is going down the shitter considering most jobs want you to have a gigantic tech stack + 3-5 years of experience at least. The junior jobs are being phased out. I don't even recommend going into this field anymore because all creativity is drying out of it and companies expect you to be familiar with 3-4 different cloud platforms and all their services, low code solutions, high code solutions, backend dev, devops practices, data engineering and analytics and so on and on. Tons of vacancies out there right now are 2-4 function profiles dumped into one thing. And then typically they also want a guy that ass kisses the company all the time.

>>105651802
Yeah I suck at kissing ass. They need Indians for that. Company was entirely reddit tier whites anyway.

>>105651802
>>105651844
The ones diving straight into technicals just don't want to waste any time. They get a lot of applications and just want to make sure the technical skills are there. Typically the rest can sort itself out provided the candidate isn't a complete retard but that's what the interview with the manager is for.

Daily reminder.

>>105651755
being indian is not merit.

>>105651855
Anon. In the real world (i.e. outside your larp) you get an online assessment before you even talk to hr

>>105651899
If everyone hasn't figured it out yet, the bare minimum now includes getting the stupid AWS certs. Management asked us to get AI and Cloud credentials recently.

>>105651940
nobody cares about certs. Your fetish does not affect real life.

>>105651928
I very rarely have gotten an online assessment. Only big tech does this because they get too many applicants and they need a filter that feels fairer than a recruiter picking out a few resumes to call.

The only times I've received online assessments were when I was junior but now that I have 4 years of experience on my belt I haven't received one (yet). It could also be because I don't apply to big tech. I'm also from the Netherlands and it might be a cultural difference I tend to avoid international vacancies. They rarely want a Dutch person for those, they prefer an eastern European that they could give lowest rate.

>>105651974
I thought big tech was exactly what we were talking about though.

>>105651899
thanks bare minimum anon! I'll do my best.
dude i've been playing tekken 8 wfh for the past day and a half

>>105651961
They do. Org management can decide ''we need to upskill'' and then everyone needs to get a bunch of certs related to a cloud stack. Aside from that they really help you past a HR filter and they're especially useful at feigning competence at tooling you're not all that familiar with. They can be used to pivot into other areas of tech as you can pretend you did X for the company instead of Y.

>>105651940
If they have me do it on company time that's fine by me, if they expect me to do that on my free time then the can make line to lick my ballsack.

>>105651823
>companies expect you to be familiar with 3-4 different cloud platforms and all their services, low code solutions, high code solutions, backend dev, devops practices, data engineering and analytics and so on and on
This is what I noticed as well. I'm pulling 75 hour weeks between studying and working full time with about 1 day of rest each week just so I can move out of the shitty grunt work fast enough to not get replaced. I'm basically a slave at this point. I don't remember what the sun feels like.

>>105651527
>RHEL AI
Lol what even is this? I'd love to see how IBM manages to make "curl openai" insanely complex in a way that requires hiring consultants.

>>105652020
>I'm pulling 75 hour weeks between
I just ignore it.

Fucking give me a box with ssh when I ask and fuck off.

I'm starting to really get fucking mad at cold calls. It's always with my big boss and boss and it frustrates me because I try to explain shit then they'll cut me off and I'll be like alright you know what fuck this. I'll let you figure that shit up.

>>105652125
im going to kill myself man, now they're exposing a gap and making it a huge deal like two years into operations.

>>105651552
That's about as scary as the idea that they could hire West Africans as programmers.

>>105652159
>>105651552
Pretty sure he won't try to make small talk to me about the latest netflix show or complain about his fat wife.

>>105652159
West Africans are known for being violent no robot ever called me cracker

>imagine being rto with a diversity hire who can't understand code and gets ticked af while everyone around him has to act like his apelike outbursts are normal

what the hell is with the racebaiting all the time on this site man, shit's so weird

>in ibm event
>comments are filled to the brim with pajeets spamming their linkedin asking for people to connect
Why are they like this
Like who the actual fuck cares about linkedin connections unless its clearly from places you can show you worked at

>>105652188
This was the only place most people could talk about it for the past five years, despite everyone else letting up most people here still have the habit (many came here for the first time just because of that.)

>>105652200
I remember back in 2011 I got hired by a startup at some MIT conference I went to straight out of highschool. I had no idea how easy things were or how hard they could be.

>>105652203
everyone's a fucking racist, why are people here making it their sole personality trait?

>>105652214
You're on the wrong site if you have a problem with racism

>>105652186
>Implying robots aren't known for being violent
Have you never seen any of those Chinese videos?

>>105651486
i wish i became a firefighter instead

>>105652188
Set up filters so that you never see those posts in the first place. It's what I do.

>>105652226
As I said, everyone's fucking racist. being an obnoxious fuck is annoying man.
>>105652250
tbf though some stereotypes are funny but there's a level where you go too edgy and it's just like dude you're trying too hard.

>>105652247
Most of the girls I grew up with that didn't turn into turbo sluts married firefighters. They never seem to be out of a job either.

There is 18% chance to be born to a jeet family.
Now get your ass off and go thank your mom.

>company took a shot gun approach to layoffs
>all teams regardless of their current situation (i.e. we're short handed and a deadline is approaching) had to fire people
>company also became very, very, very micromanagy with time keeping
>literally every single task and meeting needs to have recorded time unique to each sprint and project
>easily takes an hour each day to deal with on top of daily sprints, touchpoints, and hours of sprint review and "planning"
>management just now complained we are less productive this year
YEAH
NO
FUCKING
SHIT

>>105652423
Simple solution: use AI to increase productivity

my boss talks too fucking much, he keeps fucking shooting me in the foot it's fucking annoying. how do I make him shut up

Any of you stuck working for a vCIO? Its the fresh no retarded meme where a MSP basically takes on a part time CIO role but then "manages" the on prem tech effectively knecapping your own growth potential and making it so you report to an external entity who gives no fucks but can throw you under a bus at will.

>>105652282
nigga you would unironically enjoy reddit more than staying here. do yourself a favour

>tard coworker yaps about "how about we use AI to improve/create/fix this?" regarding literally any aspect of day to day engineering life
MAKE IT STOP
PLEASE

>>105652548
Seriously too, why is that your defense for fucking anything? This place isn't a soapbox.

>>105652612
>"how about we use AI to improve/create/fix this?
Tell him he should try it.

>>105652548
I think he's upset about the careless racism, not the racism itself. For a little while it was just clever/observant people that were racist, now it's going mainstream and a lot of people are copying them for attention since they know it's safe to do now.

>making most of your work to be done by AI
>alright! I'm more productive than everyone else now, here comes my raise
>getting laid off and replaced with AI
>yfw

>>105652684
I guess, you're not cool for saying the N word over and over and over again like a 12yo who just learnt it.

>>105652188
Coddled suburbanites are seething that they actually have to do shit and can't just slack off like they used to the past 20 years since companies actually hire hard workers now.

If youre not using AI to increase your prosuctivity you'll be left behind simple as

>>105652665
He unironically already does try to shove AI wherever possible

Midwit take:
>use AI to improve my productivity 50%
Genius take:
>use AI to spend 50% of my time slacking off

>>105652710
AI still can't do my job, just the part I enjoyed and only got to do 10% of the time at most.

>>105652771
Literally me
>t. Can now solve tickets in 2 hours instead of half a day, so I spend the rest of the day slacking and doing other home office chad stuff

>>105652804
>measuring tickets in hours, not days
lmao. ngmi

You guys HAVE completed your HR-mandated biannual 'micro aggression' training, haven't you?

>>105652804
based fellow wfh chad, shoulder press PR?

many pajeeta flirts do you have /twg/?

>>105653179
None, am I supposed to have some?
I don't really talk to anyone at my job

>>105653123
I'm pretty sure I've asked my boss if his wife will be okay with him being late because he was distracted by conversation
Something, something, says more about the author

i have an exam for a certification tomorrow morning and i dont know SHIT.
send me your energy brothers.

>mfw trying to survive standup
>that one guy who suddenly drops a bombshell to the group without warning and makes a gigantic fucking deal about something that doesn't even fucking matter.

Late Thursday night, Indian tech lead schedules an all day meeting with everyone for Saturday. No details, no information on what the meeting is for, other than the title: "working session". What is the right move here?

>>105653554
Ignore it and go home like normal, turn off your work phone and laptop and not touch it until 8 AM Monday.
At least that is what I would do, because I apparently am not allowed to work more than 40 hours a week.

>>105653399
yup i wrote this before the meeting because I was expecting this but he actually fucking did it. an operational thing that was like done for several years he brings up like a huge technical issue. oh my fucking god

>>105651475 (OP)
this is your opportunity, fags >>105643769

>>105653554
ignore it

if anyone gives you shit just say something like "oh, I assumed he accidentally sent the invite by mistake, since it was empty and scheduled on a Saturday haha"

by pointing out the absurdity of their actions they will learn this behavior is not acceptable

failing that, you now know you need to find a new job

>wasted a day on games yesterday
>I actually felt productive today
Tomorrow I'm going to code so much

>>105653372
Good luck. What cert?


>>105653123
Yes we had a company wide presentation about our industry and the current global situation. People kept asking questions that presenters didn't like and we ended 30m early.

>>105653850
AZ-400

>>105653554
>

>>105653876
Ms certs made me hate certs. I'm glad I already got mine.
Good luck, there will be a lot about git actions. Az DevOps is a total abandonware.

>>105654004
Ms Cert meet Mr Rajesh your new IT support

>>105654004
yeah im not a fan either but my corpo overloads appreciate them. if i get this done i have the other half of the year for myself at least.

>>105651991
in your boomer wet dreams maybe

>ask Indian for code review
>30 seconds later
>"done"
>approved with no comment
On the one hand it makes my life easier, on the other hand I don't think he knows what a code review is

Thoughts on your coworkers?

>>105654080
all pawns in my chessboard

>>105652188
Go back whence you came pajeet

>>105652771
unironically

>>105652804
>gets a speedup from gayI and not an insane slowdown
ngmi pajeet

Are you interested in helping import as many jeets as possible? then come work at Visa

>interview got delayed
>will have it in a bit
>was told it will take 30 minutes
>check the invite and it's slotted 1 hour
Oh boy, either they want me and they're trying to fast track my sorry ass or they really want me to suffer.

>>105653321
same, and vice versa. It's always the same story though, women want equality ehich means they don't want to be treated equally

>>105654068
I get annoyed when someone else blocks my commit with a bunch of nitpicky complaints so I generally just approve as long as the tests pass and they dont do anything blatantly wrong

>>105654068
>I don't think he knows what a code review is
I don't think you realize how much people don't give a shit about your code.

>>105654203
virgin energy

>>105651780
Consultancies thrive off of juniors and mediors who are smart enough to do the work but too stupid to realize they're getting ass gaped by the company financially. Often the work is pretty hard and the pay is relatively shit.

>>105654004
Wait till you find out that you have renew certs kek

>>105654235
Nobody who hires consultant has any work to do that isn'r totally trivial

>>105654235
NTA stop reminding me of my consultancy days. I fucking hate them for the shit they threw on me and for immediately cutting me loose the moment I started standing my ground.

tgif am i right fellas

my boss knows im burned out and he's trying to grill me on it. am i cooked chat

>>105654319
The fact that you let it come this far already tells us you're an absolute KWAB

>tech workers general
>it's actually exclusively-IT-workers general
who would've of thought

>>105654467
what does kek what a bitch mean for me

>>105654548
I'm a senior SWE, what do you want to talk about?

>>105654552
It means you're a bitch everybody keks about

>>105654548
i'm a c#/.net fullstack dev
i like it but it makes me sad that it's non-existent in japan

>>105651899
Unfortunately this means aiming for roughly middle of the pack or at least top 70%. You want to be off the lower percentiles when the cutbacks happen.

>>105654589
im a little confused on why you replied that to my statement. could you give more details?

>>105653554
Entirely depends on the contract you signed. Does it require you to work weekends? If not, you ignore it.

>>105654560
you don't "engineer" shit, code monkey jeet
you stack premade abstractions like digital legos like a toddler

>>105654684
>you stack premade abstractions like digital legos like a toddler
What exactly do you think engineers do lmfao

>be me
>boss asks me anything
>GPT, how do I ...?
>keep trying GPT shit and failing because it's stupid
>don't care, waste a whole month on a simple project
>boss sends DOGE-style email "What have you been doing all month?"
>send email to GPT and print of conversations: this is what I've been doing all month, write a response to my boss, khx
>ai took my jerb but I'm still getting paid
>mfw

>>105654629
Not at all. Cuts never happen along work performance lines. Priority 1 is getting cozy with the boss, priority 2 is to know how to loudly bullshit.

>>105654684
Basically, sure
But I did build my own open source UI framework once. Nobody uses it I don't think, other than me on one project... but it was fun

>>105654710
They measure, build, implement and tune mostly novel systems for established proxesses.

>>105654653
great way to get fired.
It's OK timmy, one day you'll habe a job and you'll see it firsthand.

>>105654788
>They measure, build, implement and tune mostly novel systems for established proxesses.
You retard still haven't realized you can say the exact same about software engineers?

>>105651475 (OP)
>got turkish admin for offshore production site in turkiye
> deletes all groups for smb share from folders
> cant basic trouble shoot if internet is "slow" besides internet speed test
> want to let third party company on domain controller for an updating HR software
> constantly ask per teams "how should we proceed"

i cant take this anymore bros

I wanna make a website resume
Any good references? Or anything implessive I can put on it?
Even just for design shit

>>105654855
>cant basic trouble shoot if internet is "slow" besides internet speed test
whats the solution here? check if any processes are hogging all the connections?

Just got done bombing my FAGMAN interview. They went straight for the throat and didn't bother asking the freebies. Straight to a real world problem on an application no one touches. Happy Friday to me!

>>105655068
starting with checking firewalls and router
further investigating with isp
maybe a tracert or something
everything is better than a internet speed test to call it a day

>>105655132
>starting with checking firewalls and router
check what exactly?

>>105655130
>Straight to a real world problem on an application no one touches
Miles better than retarded leetcodeslop. If you get filtered by that, you don't deserve a job

>>105655156
low quality bait

>>105655177
I'm just trying to learn dude. I'm not a sysadmin.

>>105651475 (OP)
what should one subpar front end developer work with besides front end?

I have being doing front end work for the past 6 years or so but I always have been bad at it. I have completed a few apps here and there but most of my jobs were small or temporary free lancing jobs. We are not on covid times anymore and I am having a hard time finding a job now.
Because of that I also started a post graduate course in front end engineering to see if I can actually learn shit properly and be actually good at it. However it will take a little while before I finish it and I have been out of a job for a few months now, people are not even calling for interviews.
I was thinking of maybe trying to find some other tech related job that I could do in the meantime, maybe even use my front end skills to get ahead.

>>105651614
0 days a week of physical labor is just as bad but I do agree with you. 5 days a week is too much for the long term, it does take a toll.

Watch out for burnout though, it will bite you if you over do it.

shits fucked yo kinda glad I never really got into coding, not working as a developer but they gave us the cursor trial and its basically humiliating us and pointing out the shit code on our current ui test automation that never gets used anyways ..not even telling the lead guy since he is the one who wrote like 90% of it kek

i'm reading code complete

Ghosted by another girl.

I'm quitting. Employment gets me nothing that I actually want and everyone's always flipping out about how their retarded shit is broken.

>>105651475 (OP)
>company makes me go through 7(SEVEN) interview rounds
>internally announce they freeze hiring for europe(including my application)
>i get the news from the european hr lady days after the decision after I ask her about the status of the application
burgerbros your companies are flat out evil

>>105656272
Better than not existing like Europe, but yes

>>105651475 (OP)
I haven't been to /g since the AI revolution began, but in the last couple of months I created a startup and I'm finally making bank. I made over $10k this month and I wanted to check in to see how everyone else is doing. It feels like we're at the beginning of something beautiful. No longer do you need to work for someone else. If you have a good idea and can market it, the AI agents (plural) literally solve everything for you. Claude costs me $100 a month but has made me thousands in return.

Just looking at OP's picture it's evident that this field is deprecated. Imagine going to college for 4 years to learn how to cooode. Lmao.. we're at the beginning of the AI revolution and it feels good bros. How has AI changed your wagie life?

>>105656629
Part of me feels like a lot of people adjacent to OpenAI figured that out in ~2019 and most of the next few years were just them killing their own companies.

>>105654788
Retard

>>105656629
Whats your startup area at a high level?
I might get into making a tabletop RPG companion app like then ones for Mothership and Cyberpunk: Red. Pretty sure they pull 3-6k/month.

It's not as much as my 23k/month salary but at least it is "his"

>>105651486
kek, you'll be obsolete in 10 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFObux6mfTc

>>105654181
Jesas fucking christ

>>105654181
This is why I'm just not applying anymore and if I ever get the chance to actually kill jews IRL I will savor it.

Why it is so hard to find a proper meal option in tech, bros?
In my home country I could pay a simple monthly fee and have piping hot meals delivered right to my desk with proper dish ware and silver ware and then the same boy will come back to collect the dirty plates and utensils after lunch or dinner. Now that I'm in america, they deliver me bland food in a cardboard box and the utensils are plastic or not there at all. They do not even collect the disposable container trash. How can I be expected to deliver maximum value to the Company when they are not even willing to give me the basic luxury of fresh meals at the prescribed hours?

>>105656763
>Whats your startup area at a high level?
It's in the municipal sector, I found a need for my use case that wasn't well implemented so I managed to strike a deal with my local town and some adjacent ones. Looking to expand but the product is literally 90% vibe coded and in maintenance mode now with automated tickets, PRs etc. all handled by Archon. In fact my whole business is handled by multiple AI agents thanks to Archon.

I can retire at the ripe age of 30 which is a dream come true thanks to the AI revolution. Meanwhile retards slave away from a job that will be obsolete in a year.

>>105657023
>literally just pretend to have a dad who's the mayor and you too can make up a retarded LARP

>>105656896
jews didnt do this to you. jews would have employed you.

protestants did this.

>>105657046
I spent 2 years planning and designing the app, as well as building connections and relationships (thanks to my uncle who knows people in my town). The actual development and setup took me a year. I can't believe I almost went to college for a CompSci degree.

>>105657071
>jealous nigger making shit up
Literally all you have to do is vibe coding. It takes maybe a few days, tops. No longer than a goon sesh. It made me a 120M contract with the City of Boise and all it does is CRUD for tracking "inner city youths" based on OSINT.

>>105651475 (OP)
Anyone here a NOC analyst
I want to get a night shift job because I have a sleep disorder

>>105657101
No, that's done by AI now.

>>105657103
Fuck really?

>>105657014
white people know NOTHING of proper meal provisions in tech industry

>>105657014
missing your tiffin service and dabbawala, jeet? you know there's a simple solution

>work in IT for 11 years now
>hate every second of it, just manage bureaucracy and babysit SaaS products
>older millennial, single, too lazy/depressed to try to switch careers
>not enough money to retire
>feel trapped and terrible
wat do?

>>105657141
I am whiter than you retarded bitch basterd. keep crying about tendies whilst unemployed but I am making 700k TC.

>>105657173
Have you considered starting a bizness unrelated to tech
Those are my plans

>>105657183
Honest question, how do you have the motivation and risk tolerance for a small business? I mean, I can think of businesses that definitely would turn a small profit, but they're all trash normie stuff like a laundromat, storage units, etc.

>>105657197
He doesn't, that's why he's only "planning" to do it instead of doing it already.

He will never actually do it. Many such cases

>>105657050
shut up kike

>>105657115
No, but it will be in 3-10 years. Self-healing networks are going to be a thing.

>>105657254
yes little sheep, the jews did this to you. remember to worship your financial betters for they are the true representatives of god (they wouldnt rule over you if they weren't god's chosen :) they earned it by working harder than you :) they have more money than you because they worked harder and for no other reason)

>>105652247
>>105652290
This + firefighters are regarded as brave and noble chads and women love them in my country.

>>105656272
Sadly if you want to get paid decently you have to do the humiliation ritual of multi-round interviews

Is living in ze pod REALLY that bad? Units without a kitchen are like $500/mo cheaper. I would probably come out ahead even if I ate out every meal. And I can just use a hotplate like I did in college.

>>105651475 (OP)
Maybe for the most 85iq PR

>>105657596
too much seed oil in the food not cooked at home.

What do product managers and more so scrum masters do all day except wasting time in meetings?

>>105657784
take credit for achievements made by actually productive members of teams (or take the brunt of the blame for failures of jeets). make plots on gant charts. pretend like they measure risk, budget and handle change management/activity sequencing when they really delegate that to other people.

honestly a fucking joke of a job where "work" is making sure people put the right documents in the right folder and acting menacing when someone fucks up.

>>105655068
for me, it'd be
>check ping against a couple of known IPs
>check if local and remote (ISP, google) DNS are working
that way you can determine whether the problem is on your end or beyond your LAN

>>105656629
Imagine going to college, working for fours years on a CompSci degree, and then working 3 months solving LeetCode problems only to be rejected for a job by some dopey middle manager who couldn't spell his own name right if he didn't have autocorrect.

We're in the age where it's never been easier to start a tech business. Fuck working for a company. They need us more than we need them.

goodnight /twg/

>>105658413
and goon night to you

>>105654852
you absolutely can't. Not since the 90's.

>>105657014
back to india pajeet

>>105657416
those numbers are woefully wrong

>>105659067
Did you look any of them up? Or understand what the number actually was?

>>105657827
they never ever take the blame. When they fuck up they blame the productive people when talking to leadership, and blame leadership when talking to the team. But yes they steal all achievements

>>105657948
never been harder*
>endless bureaucracy when there used to be nothing
>impossible to do consulting without placement agencies anymore
>funding only does muh ai saas bullshit when it used to be eclectic
>currently in the middlr of a worse crisis than y2k, nobody is spending anything
>jeets undercutting anything and everything
>chinks stealing anything they can see

>>105654593
What do they use over there? Ruby on Rails and PHP?

>>105659072
I did and I do

>>105659090
hot soup processor and lisp

>>105654593
I'm also C# fullstack, while they exist we pretty near only have javascript fullstack over here.

>>105657948
>>105659076
Tbh, why aren't you playing the game then? Shouldn't you be able to outsmart them?

>>105658413
Good morning.
>Woke up early
>Playing fun games during tasty breakfast
>Will go out to see what's happening and then code for the rest of the day

THIS SUMMER
>backed by one of the best incubators
>corpo is looking for a FOUNDING ENGINEER
>do EVERYTHING and more
>a once in a lifetime opportunity
>50k uk bucks
https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/qfex/jobs/S7XSybx-founding-backend-engineer

Is this one of those fake ads that must be posted but they don't want anyone to apply?

>>105659191
because it has nothing to do with smarts and all to do with position level. If you go straight to leadership they just ask you how you have the gall to not go through the manager. If you document and submit the info to leadership they go "huh I didn't know that" and next thing you know YOU are fired.

>>105659271
if the ceo is a poo then yes, otherwise it's real.
The equity package and upcoming raises due to further rounds, plus the status if you want to start your own company later, are what you're after

>>105659112
C# fullstack as in you use Blazor too?

>>105659327
No my shit's more dated than that. I really need to learn some new stuff..

>>105659191
You outsmart these people by being nowhere near them. Don't play their faggot games, at all.

>>105652125
>@anon, could you please remind me how many X for the past quarter?
>boss, X is meaningless without considering Y and Z
>anon, how many?
>boss ...
>?
>13.25M
>thanks anon
>np boss

don't understand how these people get to their positions

>>105652247
what does a firefighter even do? I mean last time LA was on fire they hide behind everyone's back. Sit on their asses playing vidya?

>>105653123
>unintentional
my favorite is unconscious bias. No shit, if I was aware of my prejudices I would double down. I mean, there is a reason I hold them in the first place

>>105653578
>>105653554
>get the emails of all participants
>organize class action
git gud

>>105659570
They're paid to be there for when the buzzer rings.

>>105659564
Literally everyone beyond the senior technical level is totally incompetent at a fundamental level and owe their success 100% to those below them.

>>105657784
boosting DIE numbers
humiliating the dalits on the daily so they know their place

>>105659294
0.25% of a failed VC scamming company is 0
0.25% of a 10M company is 25k
0.25% of a 100M company is still 250k lol

I assume they want someone who can at least count?

>>105659622
sounds like the average swe oncall experience, so what do they do exactly? Also, I bet most firefighters are office boomers imagining tough guy scenarios they never experienced but so real in their heads they made it their personality

>>105659651
Founding role should have at least 2% (up to 5%) before dilution. 0.25% is employee #10 tier.
The likelihood of a startup getting only one round of funding is nearly 0 (excluding obvious bullshit companies but you will know when you see one, even thr sketchy ones make it). At that point you get raises and bonuses typically. By the 3rd round you are normally paid more than at fagman. Depending on what the execs plan you get bought out after that in the 100m to 1b range. Fully diluted you should have at least 0.5% at this point if they don't fuck up too much.

>>105659671
They spray water at fires, pull people out of burning buildings, and sometimes open mangled cars with a giant can opener.

>>105659671
>swe oncall
beta's duty

>>105659672
My retarded startup wannabe founder friends keep annoying me about this constantly
>bro so how is your job like??
>well I'm happy I get paid well and I have responsibilities
>but surely you also asked for equity???
No retard I didn't, I joined like a decade after the company was founded, am employee number 500 or so and I'm a senior engineer, not a CXO

>>105659688
*according to TV

there is a firestation next to us, they are sitting on their asses all day, some work out and once in while they go all sirens blaring because it's muh simulated firefighting day. Everyone hates those guys, they don't deserve the cred they get

What do you think of this piece of shit? Literally the only reason the IT market is declining.

>>105659787
Equity is always a lottery ticket and unless you have a founding role (usually the execs fall in love with you and never fire you) you will probably be laid off right before they start vesting. Even as employee #10 you should never settle for less than a high salary.

>>105659807
Trump and muskrat's love for poos is a greater problem than jpow ever has or will be.

>>105659672
so the ideal scenario is still chump change? Sign me up
>Take-home challenge (48 h) – a realistic slice of our codebase.
sure, I love to work 2/6 full days unpaid so that the MBA guys might or might not grace me with the junior salary. I would assume even in backwards places like the UK that is illegal

>>105659833
If an interviewer gave me that I'd just say no I'll work somewhere else.
Desperation is unattractive.

>>105659672
>>105659787
Is it not legal to sell your equity to your coworkers/VCs? Can't you discount it out like the VCs and haggle on a price?

>>105659802
Because fires aren't common retard.

>>105659807
He has nothing to do with it (overall he actually has almost no influence over the economy despite what everyone says.)

It's a combination of social deterioration and tax cuts for our salaries disappearing. When NPR kept talking about Trump "giving tax cuts to the rich" that's what they were talking about.

>>105659833
0.5% of 100m is still 500k. At 1b it's 5m.
Yes it's still not much for the amount of effort you have to put in, but after that you can solo found a company and still get vc's ready to invest, which wouldn't be the case if you went off on your own otherwise without either significant traction or 10+ years as vp of fagman

>>105651475 (OP)
show the MRs

>>105659856
Big Tech is laying off people because they simply cannot loan money from the banks at a low interest anymore. If the rate was 2% we would witness growth.

>>105659810
Did you miss the part where I said I'm employee #500 and not employee #10?
>>105659833
>he seethes about a take home challenge (literally free ticket to a job offer)
How retarded are you?

>>105659855
so basically they sit on their asses playing vidya, got it. Thought you were disagreeing first but glad we managed to clear that up.

>>105659842
You can negotiate a buyout if you want to leave but they most likely won't take it. Options can't usually be traded. Shares can but need special handling and the share class to not have sale restrictions. Also goos luck getting your colleagues to buy in at more than option strike price.

>>105659892
What part of "They're there for when they're needed" don't you get?

>>105659890
You said some.irrelevant bullshit about being emplpyee 500 so I tried to creatively reinterpret your post so it makes sense in context by explainijg what happens at these startups. Not my fault you're illiterate.

>>105659905
>didn't even probably read my post
>n-no YOU are illiterate
The absolute state of this retard

>>105659890
I still have some dignity after all these years in the IT hellhole, unpaid work is insulting on a fundamental level, much more than the yearly 1% raises. I appreciate their honesty setting the tone right off the bat, but the answer is lmao, lol even

>>105659868
99.999% chance to go bust, 0.001% chance to get 500k in 10 years? Think I will go with a normal job paying twice as much and take my chances investing the surplus for ten years while gooning@home

>>105659901
the part where it is the exception to the rule. If you describe your job by what you do once in a blue moon I would laff at you as well. I understand that is what's shown on the telly and roasties cream themselves over the drama, but I assume we are functioning adults here. Also, only a fraction of the firefighters are actually frontline

>>105659918
I accept your surrender

>>105659924
For tech it's 3-5 years on average. If you exclude companies that are clearly fake, the bust rate is more like 90%. So realistically you get a 10% of making 100k to 1m extra a year amortized.
Yes it's definitely not for everyone and it's always better to just make your own startup anyway.

>>105659924
>muh unpaid workerino!!!
A) you're slow
B) interviews are also unpaid work and the job search process itself too, which is much more time consuming then spending a comfy afternoon solving a coding problem
C) you clearly aren't autistic enough to actually enjoy cooding
Conclusion: Not gonna make it

>>105659944
It's once in a blue moon but it's a very important blue moon.
I only need a plumber or mechanic when something goes wrong, better just axe those industries then right?

>>105660001
Mechanics and plumbers have constant work and would starve if they only worked once or twice a year like firefighters do. Nice self-own.

>>105659890
>literally free ticket to a job offer
Or free work for a job you aren't getting.

>>105660008
This is the more realistic scenario. One time I got ghosted after sending in the thing. Another I got asked some irrelevant questions (your work is great but do you know how to use git and comments? Oh you do? Oh it's in the submission? uhh...) and then rejected.

>>105660007
Mechanics and plumbers also aren't potentially saving anyone's lives, they're doing QoL upkeep.

Fuck yeah cunt, Duke Deportem rocks.

>>105660027
Firefighters get called to a lot of scenes with no lives at stake.
EMTs also starve to death without constant work and save lives daily.

>>105660036
more liek duke importem lmao
enjoy your sea of pajeets

>>105660044
If the fire spreads then lives are at stake.
I don't know why you're so desperate to end a public service, maybe you need to lay off the boomer propaganda.

>>105660036
What deportations? He hasn't deported shit.

What is considered fuck you money in Europe?

>>105660073
40m euros

>>105660008
>Or free work for a job you aren't getting
I've done a good amount of take home interviews and that's literally never been the case. In fact, if it was the case it'd be extremely obvious and you could just ruin or damage the companies' reputation a fair bit just by posting about it online.
So no, not really an option, more like a retarded urban myth on /g/.
That or you retards are genuinely too dumb to handle take home interviews and fail them kek

>>105660073
Depends on your definition of fuck you, probably millions (excluding your house).

>>105660062
graaping at straws. Plumbers and mechs also save lives by this metric and the argument is they're far overvalued for the fucking nothing they do.

>>105660094
>you could just ruin or damage the companies' reputation a fair bit
lmao

>>105660073
europeans are more poor than you can possible imagine. No matter how poor you think Europoors are, they are poorer than that. After tax a german professional (think senior dev etc) takes home the equivalent of $30k (or less) USD.

6 figure professional salaries are basically unheard of in europe and the tax rates in europe are nightmarish. Finland for example has you paying 60-70% tax when you are middle income.

And germany is one of the best paid countries in Europe.

Never underestimate the term "europoor".

>>105660073
Assuming an age of 30, 10 mil will be basically fuck you money in even the most expensive European countries.
Up to 5 mil is just rich boomer tier.
Up to 2 mil is just homeowner who can save money

>>105660094
congrats on mever having had a job or interviewing at all but why come shitpost on /g/ in that case?

>>105660102
My take home is 75k euros as a junior dev at a shitty startup but hey, whatever helps you cope with being an amerilard

>>105660102
What I never understood is how Americans with all these supposed 6 figure salaries still manage to stay poor and don't retire by their mid 30s kek

>>105660097
>graaping at straws.
The irony.
>Plumbers and mechs also save lives by this metric
Not really. They don't show up to the scene of an accident to prevent that accident from spreading, they just do routine maintenance.
>the argument is they're far overvalued for the fucking nothing they do
Your argument is retarded because you're retarded.
65% of burger firefighters are volunteers anyway.

>>105660103
Excluding some cities like paris, countries like switzerland, and a few other places that seems about right

>>105660120
Keep freeloading off our tax money dumb fire non-fighter

>>105660133
>muh taxes
Half the people ITT probably work at companies that get extremely high government contracts to do shit none of us want to exist.

>>105660113
Even if you weren't lying, which you are hans, but even if you weren't, your 50% total taxation would make that barely $45K usd.

For reference, $45K is considered poverty in America. Literal negroes earn more than that.

>>105660117
>supposed

lmao see, eurofilth can't even wrap their minds around it. Our internships pay more than their most experience developers.

But hey, at least you have healthcare, right?

>>105660117
because their cost of life is insane compared to euros and they don't get government or company pension so they have to save for it on their own, plus create safety for health costs and children especially education

>>105660140
More like 0 people itt dumb leach

>>105660117
Mandatory cost of living aside, a lot of them up their spending as their paycheck increases.
>I have money, I can spend $7000 on this video game right?

>>105660146
>ameritard
>doesn't understand that take home is after taxes
>can't comprehend the difference between average and marginal tax
>thinks germany is the only country outside the usa
>too dumb for even a quick google
lol
lmao even

>>105660156
There are constantly people here talking about their MIC job (paid by gov).
Then there's the general corporate spy-industry like ad companies (paid by gov).

>>105660168
take your meds unironic schizo

>>105660102
>europeans are more poor than you can possible imagine.

And you're not even including living cost. You ever wonder why Europeans are so thin? A steak costs like 30+EUR. You could literally buy dinner for ever day in week in America for what Europeans pay for a single meal. On top of their "salaries" being highschool janitor tier.

Europe is an embarrassment. They're basically pale jeets.

>>105660168
if youre in the M part of the MIC it doesnt count since you still pay taxes and don't reallly "make" stuff

>>105660189
shh anon, don't tell them about gas prices.

>>105660204
irrelevant, Europeans don't drive, can't afford cars and think it's a badge of pride to spend hours of their day on "public transport" crowded in my smelly unwashed ahmets they imported back in 2015.

>>105660189
>A steak costs like 30+EUR
10 EUR here. Don't live in EUtardia.

>>105660189
It's like 10 on sale, 12 otherwise here.
Overall food is generally the same price as in a big us metro last I checked, but much higher quality for the same price

>>105660210
this is true though

>>105660210
why does public transit make americans seethe so hard?

>>105660261
I'm yuro but I understand it. Having it is good but relying on it meams being beholden to the state and its ability snd willingness to maintain it. It also makes you a lot more dependent on other people to get good value out of it, e.g. you can only pray that methheads or niggers aren't going to be on your train car today while if you have a car you only care about the retards who can't drive.
Also housing is like 1/2 to 1/4 within 30m of work by car if not also within 1h by public transport. Much more freedom and comfort overall in other words

>>105660197
>it doesnt count
lmao

>>105660273
But you don't need it in yurop, you can use a car just as much.
To explain why Americans seethe about it: they tie their entire identity and way of life around a car, so they literally can't fathom a life without it.
In addition they get indoctrinated from small up and partially because of this identity, not having a car and using public transport means you're low class or borderline homeless to them.

>>105660273
having a car also means being beholden to the state and its ability and willingness to maintain roads, and the PO-LEECE can revoke your right to drive (or to live) at any time thoughbeit

>>105660146
>But hey, at least you have healthcare, right?

it's a myth, everyone pays for private who can afford

>>105660308
never seen a burger seethe about PT and their mockery is justified. What's worse than a wage cage? An open plan wage cage you need to rent.
t. yuropoor who takes the car instead of riding the bus for 2 stops to the wagiecentral

>>105660369
>instead of riding the bus for 2 stops to the wagiecentral
at that point why not walk

>>105660372
Yes, they need the stuff to burn, to then get new stuff made out of stolen resources paid for by an insurance company backed by global debt-slavery systems

firefighters dont even use the latest agile scrum stackc how can we trust themm

How can we trust that firefighters know how to do their job? Sure they've done their training but did they go through 5 staged of interviews?

>>105660423
How many tennis balls fit inside a fire engine and why are they fuzzy?

>>105660369
>never seen a burger seethe about PT
>and their mockery is justified
Couldn't even go half a sentence without contradicting yourself kek

>>105660001
>>105660007
>>105660027
>>105660097

our /g/ bro Yacine got fired from X today

https://x.com/yacineMTB/status/1936251450176176498

https://x.com/yacineMTB/status/1936278079225127184

>>105660476
he got too cocky

>>105660476
>>105660485
he also claims its 10 days before he gets 300k from vesting

>>105660476
Wait is that legal? Firing someone before their vesting date like that?

>>105660485
>>105660509
Oh he's an indian jew, I don't care if it was legal or not now.

>>105660509
no hes definitely entiteld to it but Elon companies are known for this. He could sue but he says he doesnt want to bother. Hes a millionaire already so he probably doesnt give a fuck.
>>105660516
nah hes an algerian 2nd generation who lives in canada. hes just a shitposter.

>>105660485
>>105660476
lit. who

>>105660472
They all ask for passion nowadays, nigga people just want careers.

>>105660379
because I like to drive and it is much faster. Shitting on the even poorer chumps is just an added bonus. Sometimes I do a round of groceries as well

>>105660542
>because I like to drive
ok. thats fair.

>>105660308
You do need it in many cases. In the countryside there usually isn't or barely is any public transport. As mentioned you significantly improve your house buying power if you have one. You also drastically improve your movement efficiency in some cases. It's not like it's a life need like it is in rural murrica but still.

>>105660311
But you habe exactly the same with public transport "and more". Also you can still drive off-road if needed.

>>105660372
>rent free

>>105660472
literally

>>105660509
yes it is, and it's extremely common

>>105660620
>Also you can still drive off-road if needed.
muslim trucker of peace detected

>>105660613
>>105660308
kinda agree. when i was in yurop, public transit wasn't *that* good -- it was just that the density and layout of cities made it more convenient to get around IF public transit covered an area. but that was a big IF. though if you get to a train station, you can have a full and fulfilling day within 500m of that train station. This isn't as true in the us and canada because not only is stuff just further apart in general with more spacing between buildings, but commercial areas are more "evenly" distributed with having a shitty strip mall/commercial-industrial park every few dozen miles instead of a hyper-dense shopping and office district

but EVEN THEN some areas just fucking love cars. they could have euro-style areas and they will just still think of you as a poorfag if you don't have one. Quebec is like this -- very european style urban design and strong public transit, but everyone drives and yet taking the bus is reserved for students and the dangerously hungover. they just have such a strong car culture and love driving badly so much, and there are other common hobbies/interests/markets that basically require a car (e.g. if you have a strong hunting or camping culture, local agriculture, or lots of nice housing in small villages (also all very true in quumbic) you're not taking the fucking bus to the woods to go rape deer after buying fresh cheese from an 8th generation chinaman)

>absolutely fucking hate """the Cloud"""
>Cloud Engineers are paid twice as much as BE developers and in higher and higher demand each year
>buddy of mine makes twice my salary breaking down perfectly functionning monoliths into messy """microservices""" that costs 4x as much and depends on queues to work
I fucking hate this industry.

>>105660720
uservices are very good at solving scaling problems from 2010 when we did not have machines with thousands of computing units and TBs of memory though

>>105660821
First, that was never the premise. Second, that was never a problem. Distributed software without muhcroservices were common in the 70's already. Third, go back to india.

>>105660720
>waaaaah I hate microservices
>WTF what do you mean implementing this endpoint will take 2 years and needs three layers of approval and refactoring
Retards like you don't even understand why microservices exist in the first place

>>105660872
first, you were only a naughty thought back then, second we had SOA and application servers, third is the world you call home

passed the cert with a great score :D
we're all gonna make it

Cursor or GitHub Copilot pro anons?
>20 vs 10 dollars
>cursors agent mode seems better
>github copilot is easier to integrate into my fav a IDE, I use cursor as an extra window on the side
>cursor now has background mode, literal codemonkey that can slave on your codebase overnight
>cursor also has MCPs
Which one would you pick?

>>105660988
try both and make corpo pay

>>105660988
none, i dont need some bullshit generator to write my code

>>105650233
>the balkans are a hidden gem ngl. all whites and cheap as old americana. my rent is 600 for a 1 bdroom apartment downtown
which balkan area?

I hear the downside is that if you leave the balkan center cities, the infra dropoff is massive. but it's OK if you're the type to just chill in your city and its nice area.

I live in southeast asia right now and I'd say that a high education/intelligence guy moving to SEA/balkans and offering remote work to 1st world is a nice niche. can compete on price while still living a great life.

>>105661008
>I've tried both, this is for private use now. Pros and cons is basically the outcome of trying both

>>105661010
>I don't need a bullshit generator to etch my carvings
>I don't need a bullshit generator to draw my letters
>i don't need a bullshit generator to type my words
>I don't need a bullshit generator to evaluate my circuits
>I don't need a bullshit generator to do my programming cards
>I don't need a bullshit generator to compile my code
>I don't need a bullshit generator to write my code
YOU ARE HERE

thought you guys were kidding about zoomer juniors
>cocky dipshit has the gall to claim he's a top 5% programmer
>calls me later that same day because he's never done a pull request before

>>105661207
Why would he call and not just google it?

>>105661207
well is he cocky/overconfident and from a top school or is he just stupid?

>>105661222
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>105661298
the latter

>>105661183
>my fat cock
YOUR MOUTH IS HERE

>>105660906
>WTF what do you mean implementing this endpoint will take 2 years and needs three layers of approval and refactoring
how is that difficult at all in a monolith? You're making problems up, fucktard

>>105661378
>how is that difficult at all in a monolith?
You've never had a real job and it shows

>>105660909
>>105661425
Poo in loo, not in thread. You never have and never will be a real programmer.

>>105661481
Nobody's stopping you from doing it better and becoming rich kek
Could even make a business out of it

>>105661425
Fucking retard, I've worked at large companies as a consultant for years, right now I work in a smaller company, we have millions of daily users and absolutely no need for microservices.
You're just making problems up to explain your overcomplex infrastructures, the web is more brittle now that is had ever been because of fucktards like you, too smart to be content with simple architectures, but too dumb to move to actual hard stuff that isn't just hard because you made it like so.

>>105661532
I'm a junior who's as far from the "Should we use microservices or monoliths?" decision as you can get, why would you do one or the other? From what I can gather microservices are "better" because if one thing goes down it all goes down in a monolith, but if an important microservice goes down you get the same effect anyway.

>>105661532
Then your business case is probably just a single website + database table lmfao

>>105661583
The problem with monoliths is that as they grow, they are responsible for more and more different functionslities.
While you can mitigate this in a classic downtime scenario by running a duplicate backup instance, it's still a shitton of issues, namely:
>scaling basically just looks like "run more instances of this god monolith" or beef up the specs, which might be inefficient as fuck if you need to dynamically scale a specific part of it
>monolith = tight coupling = slower development and deployment by nature, it's easier to fuck up and break the entire thing, it's slower to bring out releases
>hmmm we use xyz library for this what if we try this more efficient one instead and slowly migrat- OOOPS 2 years worth of refactoring "all or nothing" effort since once again, it's a monolith
And so on and so on

>>105661505
Even bigg techs are going back on muhcroservice crap nowadays pajeet

>>105661583
That's a meme. First off, real world microservices are super highly interdependent. Anything goes down everything goes down. Algorithms like raft or paxos are ancient by now and allow smooth autofallbacks and rolling updates. They also make scaling up or down monoliths trivial.
Monoliths are also typically built in a modular fashion so not all systems need to run on all machines either.
The advantage to muhcroservices that were shilled were that they were supposed to be independent allowing self-contained modifications by one team without the need to sync across teams..First, that never happens in practice, actually the opposite: since it's 10x harder to do integration tests in this setting shit breaks all the time and it's common for muhcroservice A to require version X of service B but for service C to need version Y causing rolling dependency failures, with no good mechanism to track any of that. Second, you don't need full org syncs for monoliths if you have proper tests and use version control. If anything, it encourages a model with stronger consistency guarantees.

>>105659881
or we can...get rid of the Fed.

>>105661829
>Monoliths are also typically built in a modular fashion so not all systems need to run on all machines either.
Anon... that's not a monolith then

>>105661583
don't listen to this guy >>105661653 he drank the koolaid and/or benefit from adding accidental complexity to systems. A monolith is not more and not less coupled than uservices hence SOA. It is a deployment strategy. You can use the exact same interfaces between services without adding a network call between them and starting to have distributed problems for absolutely no reason whatsoever. In the current year your work machine probably has more power than servers had available back then. You can scale individual resources just fine without throwing k8s, containers and a dedicated team of ""devops''' '''engineers"' at the problem, yes, you can even use heterogeneous PLs if you so wish. The use case for uservices is extremely niche if we ignore resume driven development and other meta for a second and even when it makes sense, the retards just start making everything into a separate service

Next:

>>>105661912
>>>105661912
>>>105661912

>>105654684
Amen.

Literally just got off from a two year software dev job where it was mostly a .NET shop with a ton of backend devs that were either Indian H1B's or dumb Zoomers addicted to Steam slop.

I am not impressed. Modern web dev sucks and will suck out your soul.

All for some bald fuck business owner to never care to improve the state of working conditions, let alone provide incentives for promotions.

Literally got a higher paying job rigging up API integrations instead. Dev is a joke.

Biggest tip of all, move where there are jobs and apply to hybrid or in person. Remote is gone my friends.

>>105654988
Look up literally any tech website resume project. There are tons of examples of this, Anon.

>>105661873
Have a present anon.

>>105662115
Sorry forgot to clarify. I FUCKING QUIT haha.

Felt good. I got another job literally a month later.

Was looking for a replacement job for a year and a half while doing that soulless job too since I realize how terrible the company was 6 months in. Should have quit sooner imo.

That industry is a complete joke my friends.

>>105661886
Yes it is. The specific of the architecture of a monoloth is orthogonal to the system being monolithic or muhcroservices. Illustrative (?) example: some microservices are modular and some are not. Point is this is a totally different organization level.