How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (Measurements, Targets, Equalizer, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki:
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Tangzu Wan'er S.G 2 (Mild V) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) - $8
• EPZ TP13 (8-Band PEQ) - $17
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>105642177

I only listen to the EQ guide
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

Soundstage

I want something I can run with

>>105654154 (OP)
They really named an IEM "ass".

>>105654190
That's the Aful Ass to you, buddy.

>>105654187
get some wireless shit with earhook design

if anyone cares
>>105645045
I did a bunch more research and found that SongSync does what I need, with some crashes and errors sometimes but it's alright.
let's you pick individual songs or do whole libraries in a batch, add offset, chose providers (I found musicsmatch the best sknfsr, some songs needed offset though), save to file or to tags (I prefer to file and keep plain lyrics in the tags)

and using Retro Music as a player, cause it seemed like the most readable and nice design wise with cover art + lyrics out of all the players I tired including hiby Poweramp and mad.
has options too. on top of cover, instead of cover, clicking on cover gives you plain lyrics, and you can also open full size synched lyrics too.

>>105654154 (OP)
EDC Pro should be forever in the hof

>>105654187
Get the Bunny. Bunnies are good at running.

>>105654226
>*sqweak* *sqweak*
can you repeat that?

>>105654226

>>105654216
seems like a cool setup for your lyrics. thx 4 sharing

https://youtu.be/7uKFrhSOOMs?si=ES4rvVo4Cimvws-i

>>105654249
what the fuck am i looking at

>>105654265
What Tyvan does to gay rat tranny if he doesn't meet the sales target.

>>105654187
scissors

>>105654216
I'd honestly rather not know what they're saying. Probably something retarded. I never look up lyrics.

I only want exotic FR's that extend like crazy and make me feel like the music is in my walls

>looking at treble on graphs
is retardation contagious??

>>105654175
>congested, bad layering and shitty transient response doesn't exist. learn how to listen.

a shitty pos is congested when things blur together in complex mixes or even just low-effort recordings.
you’ve heard it in every garbage stereo system ever.
bad layering is when your shitty pos smashes vocals, snares, and basslines into a mushy mess instead of
placing them in their intended space, what they actually mixed and panned for. that’s why it sounds flat or 1D.
shitty transient response is when the driver can’t keep up with rapid changes in amplitude. that’s a mechanical failure.

if you can’t recognize these issues, it’s because your ears and your vocabulary, are illiterate.
audio engineers sculpt the stereo field of just about everything you watch or listen to. it's up to your gear to reveal that work.

>>105654448
Air frequencies are not treble

>>105654456
IEMs make sounds. They have no blur. Using visual metaphors shows you aren't listening.

>>105654187
I see that you finally decided to start losing weight, fat boy!

>>105654190
>>105654201
You butt hurt boys are so cute and silly! :3

>>105654456
none of that happens, the file is literally one continuous signal and iems follow it perfectly
>>105654468
>looking at anything past 6khz on graphs
happy?

>>105654164
>>105654474
>>105654448
>>105654226
>>105654261
>>105654486

>>105654484
what the fuck am I supposed to call you troonzo is already taken
fagzo? ackzo?

some things that look gross in the frequency response, the ear says, “I don’t care”

>>105654503
Just call me xXxThe6Dragon6Slayer6xXx.

>>105654525
aha i got it, you shall now be known as cringezo for the crime of posting cringe

>>105654502
post your pos collection

>the file is literally one continuous signal and iems follow it perfectly

now I know you're fucking with me. holy shit

>post your pos collection

>>105654534

>>105654540
do you not know how music files work?
>>105654544
...
>>105654546
taking old pics is not funny, and totlzo is chill because he doesn't act like he knows more than others despite rambling about sources and cables

>>105654530
>he thinks he has the right to give people names
>in the year 2025
You're such a butt hurt chump!

>>105654546
Wow, those are beautiful IEMs!

>>105654565
oh yeah we could also call you chumpzo, which do you prefer?

>>105654557
TOTLzo know soundstage, imagine, resolution, bass impact, are WAY more important than FR, hence he listens to them and doesnt just look at graphs

>>105654540
Voltage goes up - driver moves up. Voltage goes down - driver moves down. Driver doesn't even know what a frequency is. What are they teaching kids in school these days.

>>105654571
totlzo is tolerable because he just gives impressions and doesn't act like he's an authority on things
the most annoying retards are ones like yourself who deluded themselves into thinking they know anything when you don't even understand how a music file works

>>105654590
I made a typo so I deleted my post.

>>105654590
>the most annoying retards are ones like yourself who deluded themselves into thinking they know anything when you don't even understand how a music file works
NTA but this is actually relevant, bad pos like yours, has the detail of a 128kbit file, good pos like mine, has the detail of a 1400kbit WAV file

>>105654608
>wav files
ok cmon now

>>105654596
It's pointless if you delete your posts because people can still see them in the /g/ archival website anyway!

https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105654154/#105654571

>>105654590
totlzo is tech and cable pilled, he laughs at yall eqtards

>>105654456
>a shitty pos
Do you have a model in mind? Or you are just writing dumb shit for the sake of it?

>>105654628
Nigga can't even bring his IEMs outside, the funniest shit I've ever seen.

>>105654628
that's the thing, totlzo doesn't laugh or act like a retard, at least when he's posting his egregious search for a duality source
i dislike some of the pos that totlzo raves about, but i don't attack them or act like a retard because we're two normal anons who like pos

>>105654540
Oh so you are just stupid
No you are right. Music is created via magically conducted techs fields

>>105654572
Audio neophytes think the driver keeps ringing after the signal stops. This is simply not a thing, the amp stops it dead. When we introduce inductors and capacitors between the amp and the driver things are a bit different but always bad.

>headpos law

1DD CULT

>>105654711
Transient response is literally measurable but fags who talk about it never show it ever lol
Mostly because they don't know what transient respond even is and what they are talking about is just tuning

>>105654639
tangzu princess changle comes to mind

>>105654756
The last time we measured transient response it turned out all 1DDs are the same with EQ. Do you need a refresher?

>>105654796
I don't but thread clearly does

>>105654756
short term memory losszo, we showed you the transient response and how they match together when the FR is identical

Behold, techs.

>>105654750
Your 1DD cult falls apart like a vampire showed a cross every time the word techs is mentioned

My Wyvern Pro sounds so good bros

>>105654796
>autistic circle jerk where the two of us came up with a baby einstein level idea
>turned out all 1DDs are the same with EQ

turns out the bell curve is real

>>105654835
>he didn't wait for the loli wywern and lost 90% of techs

>>105654763
What are you basing your assessment that it has shitty transient response? Looks fine to me

noise floor certainly also matters for sound stage; even when listening to the same FR on an APP2 between noise cancelling and transparency mode, the perception of the sound changes rather dramatically

and guess what? you can eq the acoustic impedance or openness of an iem

You guys don't get it. When audiotards say slow transient response they mean it has bass. When they say fast transient response they mean no bass. Hope this helps.

>>105654864
dang, sheetzo will 100% buy this one

I actually like the Chang Le, sounds fine for what it is.

>>105654864
Nta but I got it. Will report when it'll get here

>>105654885
now who the fuck is sheetzo

>>105654864
>to perpetuate the myth of music
You heard them. Music is a myth. Stop hallucinating.

>>105654893
>>105654750

>>105654827
uuuuhhh simzo wtf?????

>>105654830
What are you talking about chud

>>105654864
Is there a frequency response out already?

>>105654917
are you making zos out of one pic? wtf is wrong with you zozo

>>105654830
Techs are unrelated to drivers. You can take the exact same driver with the exact same tuning and it will have different techs depending on the faceplate.

>>105654931
anon always posts pos with the same sheet as background, from psyche to cvj pos

>>105654868
you can't pick one property and assume it's the whole picture. that's what you want to do with FR and that's also incorrect.
changle's only redeeming quality is that for such a small driver, it has a lot of bass.
other than that, besides its low resolution, it is very congested. changle collapses under its own weight and instrument layering is abysmal. no width, depth or real imaging. poor transient response even when listening to quality audio. its limitations show. outdated, off-the-shelf and cheap as you can get. it cannot be saved with eq.

>>105654945
ah that anon okok makes sense

>>105654922
only the marketing graph
it seems darker

>>105654952
name one property related to techs that is not related to FR
also chang le with EQ has the same transient response as any other pos, that's what the graph is showing

>>105654952
See here, when he says congested he means it has bass. He just doesn't know it yet.

>>105654864
different pos, my man.
wyvern pro =/= wyvern black
loli wyvern is the remastered version of wyvern black

>>105654835
what did you do to furina?! she looks...distressed

>>105654966
i designate you as our in-house translatorzo

>>105654961
Maybe it has better techs, but I dont like that

>>105654316
you're not really listening to music then.

>>105655001
To really listen to music I must look at it. Gotcha. Real audiophile mindset.

>>105654970
Wyvern pro =wyvern which is basically almost the same as wyvern black
Tho it's irrelevant cause remastered has a different tuning

>>105654965
I can name more than that. driver quality, driver placement, driver angle, shell design.
>inb4 begging for graphs
>inb4 changle or even edc pro eq'd to oxygen performs the same
>inb4 I can eq magnet strength and diaphragm stiffness

>>105655073
you have to name properties that directly relate to sound output, not parameters that affect it
how do these influence a property of sound?

>>105654952
You literally said transient response is bad. I'm showing you its measurement and it looks fine.
Idea that small driver somehow collapses under its own weight is super retarded
Your fucking brain is congested you

>>105655073
All false btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKishjAIhdM

>>105655073
>oxygen
is this the first retarded sista?
grim

>>105654961
can’t believe I’m saying this about a chifi set but it’s actually too dark
>>105654750
Truly the master race format
>smooth FR
>good dynamics
>slam
>correct tonality

Still in love for those wondering.

>>105655073
You sir are unironically deaf

>>105655092
ah, I forgot the most important property- well-mixed audio.
>how do these influence a property of sound?
they all add up. we established that one single thing, like fr alone, doesn't tell you the whole picture.
you gotta try this new, whacky thing called listening to your pos. weird, I know

Sorry if this is a noob question, but are IEMs supposed to be this loud? I got the tanchjim bunny and on win11 I need to set the volume to around 4% for them to not destroy my ears.
I understand high sensitivity means less power is needed, but only being able to use 1-4% volume doesn't give me a whole lot of range. I must be doing something wrong?

>>105655197
>we established that one single thing, like fr alone, doesn't tell you the whole picture
We did not in fact established that at all

>>105655203
get a dongle.

I will leave this thread and never talk about soundstage again when tanchjim release the fixed nozzle origin, I promise

>>105655197
>they all add up. we established that one single thing, like fr alone, doesn't tell you the whole picture.
so what other thing is there?
>>105655203
that's about average, 4% is also my limit
highly recommended you use EQ, which can also give you the option to reduce the volume and give you more flexibility

>>105655073
>edc pro eq'd to oxygen can't perform the same
>it just can't, okay?
>>105655203
They are loud as fuck. 1mW drives most IEMs to 106dB. When you see someone using IEMs with an amp you can ignore everything he says for obvious reasons.

>>105655203
>IEMs supposed to be this loud?
Yes.
>I must be doing something wrong?
Nope.
You can use software like Equalizer APO and Peace to add negative pre-amp, which equates to reduced volume. This gives you a little more usable volume range if you need it.

>>105655203
You're supposed to use equalizer APO and set an appropriate preamp, not only does this improve FR it also gives you more usable volume range.

>>105655203
You do this and you always press play BEFORE inserting IEMs into your ears, in case an update broke something.

>old oxygen sista is a crusty deaf retard
oh no jimmies, this is no bueno, no bueno at all

>>105655019
it takes couple times to remember the lyrics, even one read through should be better than just listening to random mouth sounds without understanding what the actual meaning is.
you're like the retards tattooing moon runes on themselves cause it looks cool and it just says something like *bike lane* or *dumbass* when you translate it.

>>105655223
everything else I named, keep up. they're all piece of the puzzle.

funny thing is, when recording engineers and the importance of their work is brought up, you'll shit a brick and say, "what's that have to do with techs???? go to /mu/ faggot"
it's fine you never cared to understand how audio tracks are put together, but don't compensate that lack of understanding with pretending your pos is a lead to gold situation. holy fuck

In a pag eat pag world only tanchsistas survive

Which triple flange dildo should I buy? The gate slut said xe was using generic ones from amazon iirc. Would anything suffice then?

>>105655295
>everything else I named, keep up. they're all piece of the puzzle.
you named parameters that affect sound, im asking for what other properties of sound can this be demonstrated in
the rest i dont know who or what youre talking about

>>105655295
I can tell you with 100% confidence that recording engineers don't think about the driver angle of your IEMs at all.

>>105655214
I'm using an apple dongle. Doesn't really make them any quieter

>>105655223
>>105655230
>>105655240
>>105655260
Thanks. I'll try it out but if I'm honest, relying on software kinda freaks me out. I'll check it before I play anything, but surely it's possible for it to crash or fuck up while your listening to something?

>>105655322
>surely
you are more likely to accidentally move your volume up than it "crash." it's very stable. anon mentions it can disable with some windows updates, frankly i've almost never encountered a time where i need to reconfigure it.
but his tidbit of advice overall is good, play audio and adjust volume with your iems not-inserted in your ears. this saves you from most problems.

>>105655322
Anything is possible, that's why I have a separate dac/amp so I never have to worry about that shit. Dongles with volume control can be had under $50.

>>105655321
This is a bad analogy, recording engineers have chaisn with multiple speakers, they have good soundstage

>>105655322
imo the pic here >>105655260
with -34 db is a lot of negative pregain. if you're worried about a crash or something, i'd stick to lesser numbers like -2 through -8. this should still give you a bit of usable windows volume range, but not be some drastic difference that when disabled instantly blows your ears out

>>105655322
Lately even windows updates don't break it... I can't remember it ever breaking and fucking up my preamp outside of Windows updates... But I dunno if I'd be able to fully trust it if I didn't have a dac with volume knob...

>>105655353
This is not an analogy. You literally said that it matters. But the fact is everything you mentioned never even entered their mind as a factor that might impact their mix.

>>105655295
>>105655353
This is how you know anon hasn't ever been in a studio, they created a fantasy in their head where the musicians and engineers know everything and care about the smallest of details when it comes to reproduction.
99% of these fuckers just want to record what they have to and fuck off, and most are probably way too high or drunk to even consider whatever niche ear dildo is being used by a dumbfuck that has never played or been around music in real life

>>105654154 (OP)
What are these RS5 things? Google isn't helping.

>>105655396
He's retarded. As much is obvious.
And it's not the only fantasy he created inside his head

>>105655396
Ask a metal producer what's the frequency response of his speakers and he'll probably think you insulted his mom or something.

>>105655396
i mean the most skillful people when it comes to music production are usually the ones that have to mic up live performances.
that shit is almost like voodoo, i don't know how they even do it

>>105655419
It's not RS5, it's ASS.

>>105655383
>me
bro im just picking random posts to shitpost about soundstage I dont even know whats the conversation

>>105655445
And I'm just picking random retards and telling them words they don't understand, y u mad?

>>105655458
>y u mad?
no fixed nozzle origin.

>>105655463
Understandable, upgrade to edc pro in the meantime.

>>105655442
Live (sound reinforced) performance is the lowest fidelity possible way to experience music.

>>105655396
>99% of these fuckers just want to record what they have to and fuck off, and most are probably way too high or drunk
dude WHAT? the recording industry consists entirely of professionals in every film and piece of music you've ever heard. you just reduced every audio
engineer to a dipshit rockstar.
>musicians and engineers know everything and care about the smallest of details when it comes to reproduction.
everyone involved in recording and producing audio does care about even the smallest detail. it's much less a priority of musicians but I am sticking my argument to purely
the mixing of audio and pos reproducing it accurately. all audio. every bit of audio with 2+ channels. it's part of what makes up the body of work that
makes audio engineering the profession it is.


>>105655321
>I can tell you with 100% confidence that recording engineers don't think about the driver angle of your IEMs at all.
I agree. and let me repeat what I said earlier, recording engineers don't look at frequency response graphs.

>>105655424
samefag talking to himself

>>105655512
This shit is present in studios. Your argument is invalid.

>>105655505
what do you consider the highest?

>>105655527
Imagining sounds in my mind.

On a serious note now, techs are all about how the drives moves the air, a sine sweep cannot detect that.

>>105655555
wasted quints

>>105655522
it's present because it's a pos. the whole idea of using ns-10s is if you can make your audio sound good on that, it will sound good on anything.
they only use it to compare against the obviously more used, obviously newer monitors sitting right behind it. many mixing engineers test audio on car speakers, headphones, etc. ns-10 has no real audiophile qualities to it.

>>105655512
Aaaaaand way to out yourself pal
A lot of studios still use some super bright NF Yamaha setup
Most engineers do not know about proper room calibration.
Most studios do not have consistent responses.
>everyone involved in recording and producing audio does care about even the smallest detail.
They get the main concept of music out, add some finishing touches here and there, and ship to the mastering house. You think they are responsible for everything like a naive retard.

>>105655555
Quints of FR chuddie destruction

>>105655555
How do you think IEMs are measured, by a camera?
>>105655569
>the whole idea of using ns-10s is if you can make your audio sound good on that, it will sound good on anything.
Brainlets parrot this shit all the time. Mixing engineers are just as much of cargo cultists as audiophiles.

you guys can just not reply to the bait......

>>105655512
>but I am sticking my argument to purely
the mixing of audio and pos reproducing it accurately
Don't use IEMs then because they physically can't reproduce it accurately.
https://youtu.be/uZ9WQDojQt8

>>105655579
>You think they are responsible for everything like a naive retard
yes, I'm saying the audio engineers are responsible for all of that. an ns-10 is only used to expose flaws in a mix, that's it. it's a shit speaker

>>105655601
wtf delete this picture of me

>>105655419
acoustune RS5
jap-fi that hasn't been released yet

>>105655629
When you play a mix through a shouty pos and it sounds shouty it's not a flaw of the mix.

>>105655593
You just compared mixing engineers, the people whose decisions affect every note you hear to audiophools who buy $2K cables. you're lost.
yamaha didn’t even market the ns-10 to studios. it was only later noticed by pros who realized its shortcomings actually expose a bad mix.

>>105655629
What's the point of this dumb fucking conversation?

>>105655672
i'm talking about a specific set of speakers that are used for a very specific purpose. a very resolving pos, though, can help spot shitty tracks better than something run of the mill.

>>105655708
we're demolishing dogma, sit down. find something better to do or ask a question or start your own topic, fuck face retard

>>105655722
See here, when he says resolving he means no bass.

>>105655696
>he never seen mic discussions

Hi, my favorite headphones are the HD600 and on IEMs I'm looking for the same warm neutral-ish sound.

>Budget
$100-$250
>Intended use
Music (Indie rock, Psytrance, IDM, J-pop, Ambient). Going out and sleeping.
>Frequency response
Warm neutral.
>Past gear
Starfield/Aria: Loved them. Fan of the tuning. Comfortable. Bad QC.
Nova: OK but they lack low midrange. Not a fan of Harman. Uncomfortable.
Chopin: Too much mid-bass. Not a fan of Harman. Comfortable.

I've been eyeing the following, their response seems close to what I'm looking for:
- Kiwi Ears KE4
- EPZ P50
- Kiwi Ears Astral

What's your opinion on them and is there anything else I should look at? I'm also interested in the "new meta" Reddit is raving about if it fixes the lack of low midrange in the Harman target.

>>105655661
Thanks. That explains why I can't find it.

>>105655772
I knew the "new meta" shit was for redditors

>>105655772
>Hi, my favorite headphones are the HD600
Hearing aids.

>>105655803
Sorry I was joking. I just dislike the term.

>>105655772
you're basically on the right track. if you can order from amazon, easier returns.
from how you describe the chopin being a bit too heavy handed with bass, it may be that P50 comes out ahead of the Kiwi Ears IEMs, which both are quite bass-prominent in comparison. unfortunately, P50 will be the one that is not available via amazon.
and just as my two cents, the Astral is well worth the cost over KE4.

>>105655811
I just ment JM-1 is a forced meme. Anyway, Tanchjm Origin, there, your perfect iem.

>>105655748
Stuff that's resolving can still have bass, it just means that it doesn't sound like complete garbage without the bass cranked up. Turning bass up helps take your attention away from poor quality treble, so very often crap tweeters are paired with heavy bass.

Optimally you should have a more or less flat frequency response and have it sound good that way, but the equipment is still capable of producing highly melanated levels of bass when you want it to.

>>105655825
>Stuff that's resolving can still have bass, it just means that it doesn't sound like complete garbage without the bass cranked up.
So yamahas are not resolving and my translation was correct.

>>105655625
Damn... Dude is mixing in soundstage just like that. What a banger video

>>105655772
origin isn't a bad rec either. overall improvement over the moondrops you had. won't peel paint (will show scratches). i don't find the long term wearing comfort to necessarily be top tier. i prefer lighter molded resins like you are eyeing

Can you do custom faceplates on the EPZ P50?
What do they look like?

>>105655886
yes.
customized how you order it to look...

>>105655860
>>105655824
Thanks, I'll add the Origin to my list as well.

>>105655814
Thanks, from what you explain I'll probably dismiss the KE4.

>>105655894
Well I'm asking how it looks in terms of the fact that there's that big circular piece in the middle and I haven't seen any pictures of it customized so is the customization around that circular piece or inside of it too or what?

>>105655844
No, you're just illiterate. You can put a high quality resolving tweeter with a woofer and sub so powerful that the whole neighborhood feels it, and it will still be resolving. You won't notice nearly as much if it isn't resolving if there's heavy bass though.

The difference is when you turn down the bass and play folk, acoustic, a capella, etc., it'll sound like tinny, scratchy or muddy dogshit if you don't have quality treble.

>>105655911
they do not use the same metal faceplate if you want customization. the "big circular piece," is not integral to the iem's function or design. it's mostly aesthetic.

>>105655933
>the "big circular piece," is not integral to the iem's function or design. it's mostly aesthetic.
Doesn't it advertise itself as an """open-back IEM""" though because of that?

>>105655933
Wait but without customization they have vents, it is probable you are losing on soundstage by customizing.

>>105655942
*sigh*
yes it is advertised as such. the majority of the time, P50 included, it is a fallacy. the "open-back," part of are simply vent holes. the dynamic driver already has set mesh damper for the back volume and a thin tube for the front venting.
they simply move the "open-back," holes to the side of the shell, still allowing the air to flow. that is all that is needed, and not much changes. iems are still highly isolating, and will be nothing close to very open-back headphones.

>>105655968
no, you're just fucking retarded and don't understand iem design.

>>105655924
Yamahas sound like shit without bass and you called them resolving. So what you actually meant by calling them resolving is that they have no bass. I understand you have a very poor knowledge of frequency response so translations must be incredibly primitive.

>>105655942
Regardless of openbackness question custom plates on p50 don't change its FR so you do not need to worry about it

>>105655987
How many iems do you have?

>>105656000
I just have fox iem....

>>105656000
over 120, including the p50 and qkz hbb being discussed. listened to an additional 76.

>>105656016
Too bad I have 125

>>105656044

>>105656085
BA pos, avoid.

>>105656015
Endgame.

>>105656085
HBB achieves good treble extension (soundstage) with a simple DD and some vent holes, you need crummy bellshing xinglong BAs to achieve this level of openness

>>105656186
enjoy it. i don't care. just don't make retarded frog images about soundstage, associate it with vent holes, lie because you're fucking stupid, and expect not to get called out.

>>105656186
>>105656206
I dont even like the FR of the EPZ, no cap

Manufactures don't want you to know but boosting treble is literally free. Not only it won't ever distort(2nd harmonic already ultrasonic) but you don't even need negative preamp since treble has very low level in music in the first place. Run a treble boost with clipping detection in Peace if you don't believe me.

>>105656085
They do exist, but its pretty much just the audeze isines and isine clones.

>>105656238
>it won't ever distort(2nd harmonic already ultrasonic)
IMD exists, though I'm not aware of an IEM where it would matter

*Thieaudio Prestige LTD*

>>105655894
What's the process? Do you just buy it and then ask them through a message? I don't wanna get chink'd.

>>105656364
message first, sort the details, they charge additional. they're reputable

just returned the wan'er gen 1 &2 after testing em out and they didnt feel comfortable in my ears. Should be getting the zero 2 reds soon, what am I in for? and will I need a DAC, still new to the IEM scene but I have a USB-C cable with mic so not sure if I need to stick with the 3.5 mm jack or what

>>105656364
only one epz official store on aliexpress, it's their main sales and communication

>>105656382
>zero reds
oh brother you're actually trolling us right? at least you can return again lol.
reds have a recessed socket, so the usb-c cable needs to have extended plastic protrusion with the pins

>>105655555
idiot

>>105656376
>>105656389
I was able to message their official store, thanks.

>>105655555
genius

>>105656398
it should, I mean it fits in my bunny's just fine

>>105656542
yes those should fit reds

>>105656085
Now fill the vents with water, if they are fake, your iem will not be affected

>>105656677
do that to any vents on any iem with vents (hint: most iems)

>>105656701
more vents = more open

>>105656714
it actually doesn't because the internals of the iem design block off your ear canal from the openings.
you can just not speak if you don't know shit about what you're saying.

>>105656735
your outer ear still hears the sound

enjoy having the last of dialogue, you're too stupid to engage.

Does cable effect or changes sound?

>>105656857
>t.

>>105654154 (OP)
you now remember 2019

>>105656929
I bought the T2 DLC out of pure nostalgia

>>105655315
>he wants to penetrate his tympanic membrane
You're dumb!

Last year I bought some Moondrop blessings3 from Yahoo Auctions for pretty cheap, it had an imbalance in the left and right amplitude-wise for certain frequencies, but in general it was pretty good. Then I hastily put it in my pocket at an idol concert and the left one fell out of my pocket and got lost. Worst moment of my life

>>105656897
it depends on the IEM if you buy standard you're set, some low quality cables have problem with resistance and might not properly work

Just did some AB testing between the EDC Pro and Origin, and if I'm being honest, I think that 99% of people should just go for the EDC Pro and skip the Origin.
Too little for too much, the Origin is not an IEM to get if you want value. It is however the nicest looking and feeling set I have.

>>105654750
is the nozzle plastic?

>>105657358
>spends $200+ on a tranny hyped pos
>thinks it sounds like ass compared to his street shitter slop
mistakes were made, but at the very least, you have an ability to discern. same can't be said for trannies though

>>105657683
They both sound good, it's just that one can be even better without sacrificing on comfort or price.
Both are among my favorite sets I've tried, whether it be from demos or personally owning them.

>>105657718
i'm mostly fucking with you. if you enjoy it, keep on keepin on

is there a good gaming IEM for under $100?

>>105657930
mondrop rays frfr

>>105657939
still good for music and videos as well?

>>105657955
sure buddy
the DSP is like magic

>>105657930
>>105657955
the guy replying to you is trolling you with a shitty pick for no reason other than he is a bored sack of shit.

>>105657930
See the "budget" recommendations. Out of those, probably the bnuuys since "mild U" tuning will be less scooped than "V" and will probably help you hear sound cues in the mids better.

>>105654154 (OP)
bought moondrop may last night as my first iem. i wanted better than garbage but still fairly cheap, did i make a good pick?

>>105658842
no. the dsp cable sucks

>>105658842
May has decent analog tuning but any popular $30 pos will be as good

>>105658842
why aren't you asking yourself that question??

tfw I don't own a single iem, I just shitpost here to make niggers angry lol

in need of a portable music player:
>Budget
300 big ones
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
daily metro commute 40 min total
>Frequency response preference and music examples
as long as it plays FLACs
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
some iPod.
responsive UI is a top priority over any audiophile shenanigans
many thanks

>>105659326
how about use your phone niggy

>>105659341
i have an iphone se 2020 model i love that little shit to bits and wouldn't trade it for the world, however, the battery barely lasts the day and playing music on it would mean i'd have to charge it twice a day potentially which makes my dick soft just thinking about it

>>105659351
get a second iphone se for music

>>105659414
you might be on to something

>>105659066
This is better than having just one iem and shitposting about FR

>>105659481
And this is better than being born a frogposter.

>4 core cable gets pulled a few times since I got it
>start making static
>time to change
>see on Ali same brand with an upgraded 8 core cable
>fine
>get the broscience cable
>not as heavy as they said
>feels premium and robust enough
>get some earbuds tips also
>they are atrocious
I am glad that the main thing, the cable, is good and will deliver a massive sound improvement but what should I get for tips in the UK?
I like medium ones but not on the very soft side, where the foam squishes to oblivion.

>>105659613
ok

>>105659712
TANGZU Tang Sancai narrow bore

>>105659732
That's a crazy name just for tips.
I am looking into them now, thnx.

What is the official soundstage iem? Tanchjim Origin?

>>105659712
>>105659732
Maybe I should get my old ones, Dekoni.
They lasted me 4 years just one pair.
These Tangzu look a bit radical, too stiff.
Or get both and try them.

>>105659836
for which iem?

>>105659712
>>105659851
KZN SZ10 Pro or something.. From 2021.

>>105659799
IEMs are defined by not having soundstage. Try headphones.

>>105659900
Super Review actually said the Tanchjim Origin have very good out of head imaging, here, I will link the video for your education: https://www.youtube.com/live/FCx4j1A0_Yw?feature=shared

>>105659900
>IEMs are defined by not having soundstage
But why?

>>105660360
IEMs are in your ears so they sound in your ears. Headphones are over your ears so they sound over your ears. Speakers are in front of you so they sound in front of you. Isn't it obvious?

>>105660384
you must have been using shitty cheap iems then

>>105660503
All IEMs are cheap.

>>105659941
>he fell for the meme

>>105660503
Even expensive IEMs are still inside your ear and do not have a soundstage.

Soundstage exists in the first place because brain can localize the source of the sound using different cues and time delay etc. For IEM brain also can localize the source - it correctly localizes it inside your head... Exactly where IEMs are.
So knowing this facts we can conclude that soundstage for IEMs do not exists.

>>105661018
The trick is to find IEMs that feel like nothing in your ears, makes them harder to localize. When headphones touch your ears the soundstage implodes as well.

oh, it's "Niggers still didn't take a note from Chesky's demo" episode [insert thread number]

>>105661070
No matter what you do with the recording it won't create a soundstage.

>>105661037
Plugging your ears will not interfere with a real soundstage. Brain will localize your IEMs properly whether you feel them or not. Unless it's a little bit retarded and broken

Xistas, how many iems other than Origin/Fission you rotate through? I'm currently very close to keep 3 pos in total.

>>105661120
Queen stuff, maybe like 8 if we include my duplicates.
Total, probably around 27?

>>105660600
>sloptuber
Ewww

>>105658333
https://youtu.be/LnjzyX8D19w
stfu retard... even mrs approves it
rays is the best gaming iem atm w/ community sharing presets for specific games engine

>Neutral Reference Tonal Balance
Who are they competing with with this price? SA6?
Orchestra lite is around $210 not counting codes

>YU9 QUE, 1DD 3BA with the price about 2000 yuan ( 280$ ), wide soundstage with good imaging and pretty excellent bass

>>105661932
le graph from https://x.com/Yu9audio

>>105661932
9 with short nozzle? What kind of heresy is this?

>Tanchjim Origin AT, price is about 3k ish (400$ ), tuning is more relaxed, stable, calm compare to the Oxygen fun and energetic tone.
>Tanch x Effect Force, price is somewhere around 2k ( 280$ ), a new tuning which focus on warmth and vocal thickness, unlike all past tanch iem

>>105661947
Holy earrape pos

>>105661968
And they still have the gall to pack Origin with that limp dick cable and ask $100 for a replacment.

>>105661968
too cheap they need to price it at least $600 to filter all the undesirables

>Find my old iPod 5th gen
>It works
It's a bit battered and bruised, but it works great. Is it worth repairing/using these in 2025?

>>105662119
If you just want something that works and dont care much about sound quality sure.

>>105662151
>dont care much about sound quality sure
bad bait

>>105662169
5 ohm output impedance, its pos

>>105662179
Only matters if your IEM is garbage.

>>105662190
Doesnt matter if it gets mogged by a $5 dongle its pos

>>105662179
makes 0 difference for 99% of 1DDs

Any recommendations for a cheap, solid desktop DAC? Preferably with a small form factor - my space is limited.
>pic unrelated

>>105662151
I thought the 5th gen was the iPod with the best sound quality?

>>105662370
apple dongle or any in OP + usb-c extension

>>105662372
Like I said, its okay, has output impedance problems even beyond what I remember. Its nonlinear and goes up to almost 25 ohms at at 20Hz which means it'll even affect single DDs lol.
http://archimago.blogspot.com/2016/09/retro-measure-2006-apple-ipod-classic.html

>>105662459
PMPs never fail to disappoint.

>>105662499
Not a PMP thing, just an ipod thing. Keep in mind this is a 20 year old product. In context that's damn impressive.

>>105662507
As if modern PMPs are better.

>>105662512
They are

What the fuck do I get, these my only options, please vote or reply with thoughts

>Bassy/warm, HATE tinniness/sibilance (will EQ anyway), good 'soundstage'
>Will daily, need reliability and longevity for which I hope replaceable cables is enough
>Much prefer bang for buck picks, <$40 unless above are some killer endgame deals

Vote: https://strawpoll.com/NoZrzN3z3Z3

Buying only from these local offers for fast delivery, return/warranty
>QKZ AK6 Ares $10
>QKZ Nune Zen $14
>KZ EDX Lite $14
>KZ Dawn $16
>KZ EDC PRO $18
>KZ EDX 1DD $23
>KZ EDX PRO X $23
>QKZ ZXN $23
>KZ EDX PRO 1DD $27
>KZ DQS $32
>KZ Castor $34
>KZ ZST X $36
>KZ ZSN Pro 2 $39
>KZ ZSN Pro X Metal $40
>MOONDROP Quark 2 $47
>Behringer SD251 $50
>KZ Vader $50
>MOONDROP CHU II $52
>KZ x CRN ZEX Pro $57
>TRUTHEAR GATE $67
>KZ ZS10 Pro Acoustics $69

>gate for $67
What kind of commie hell is this.

>>105662533
the prices are mostly shit but it's the cost of not waiting a month for an ali shipping which I can't do right now

>>105662526
>KZ EDC PRO 18$
>18$
bitch, what?

>>105662526
Wow that's fucking grim, no way the Gate is worth that much but between that and all the KZ slop you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

>>105662560
Retard.

>>105662526
>Bassy/warm
>HATE tinniness/sibilance
T1S

>>105662560
found them for $9 at a shadier local store, are they the right pick among the heap of kz shit?
>>105662571
$41 at the same shady store above but out of stock
>>105662603
no dice, none local

what iem will cure my tinnitus?

>>105662655
None.
Just like me, you got it forever.

>>105662655
Stellaris

>>105662526
wtf are any of these prices bro
$52 for a CHU II?
you can get it for $18 on amazon

>>105662655
any pos + white noise to mask the tinnitus

>>105662655
PK Fc 4000 Hz Gain -6 dB Q 0.500
Turn any IEM into a ziigaat lush
No more evil upper mids.

>>105662763
Why would that cure his tinnitus?

>>105662763
clown eqing his pos to other pos again this time to a god awful zigyatt

>>105662526
alright fuck it, will buy the $9 edc pros I found since they're the cheapest
and will look into an ali order for something better later maybe gate, chu2, t1s, will see
thanks for the replies

>>105662406
a little too flimsy for my taste.
looking for a real desktop DAC, just on the cheaper side.

>>105662370
You don't want most desktop dac/amps, they usually have way too much gain for IEMs and you'll barely be able to able to get out of the channel imbalance range. If you're extra unlucky you'll also get hiss and noise issues because IEMs are more sensitive than headphones. For IEMs you'll want to find something that uses digital or relay volume control and has really good noise measurements. The cheapest thing I know of which has those features is the Topping DX5 II at $300.
If you're on a budget, its much better to get a brick dongle like the Tanchjim Luna AT. I have a DX9 but I use the Luna a lot anyways, it sounds just as good for IEMs.

>>105662813
>a little too flimsy for my taste.
just print this thing https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5024824 or get something like fosi ds2, moondrop dawn pro, etc
>looking for a real desktop DAC
only a DAC isn't useful as it just converts digital to analog, you need an amp too, or a bundle like topping dx1/fiio k11/etc

>>105662813
>real desktop DAC
you need that for speakers, gramps? Because in this day and age we go dongles.

say something nice about this graph

are zeos pantera videos any good?

>>105662956
If you are asking about it they are definitely not for you.

>>105662942
>has BA
Avoid.

>>105662956
No, he just creams over every new piece of plastic that he gets and never criticizes anything.

>>105662968
just don't buy shit ba's. simple as.

>>105662993
>>105662993

>>105662982
they're all crap

>>105662631
yeah EDC pro is the peak.
another good ones are castor pro bass (black)

Welcome back, CCA CRA

>>105663003
yep, reviews all said what I hoped to hear, already fired the order off
heard some qc complaints, if they last a couple of years of use it'll be great

>>105663052
>he fell for it
lmfao

>>105661968
Ofc tanchjim in all of their wiseness would use vents to create massive soundstage

now we're testing this shit