>She's literally the first programmer ever!
No she's not. She never wrote a single line of code that wasn't prepared for her beforehand and there's no proof that she even had the knowledge to do so.
Why doesn't this stupid meme ever die?

>>105659311 (OP)
I don't get the claim about her being a programmer. What did she do exactly?

>>105659324
>Babbage proposes a programmable mechanical calculator on paper
>Ada hooks up with him, sends him letters
>They start to talk about math things
>She translates his papers from French and comments on his algorithms
>"Maybe some day this could be used for more than just calculating numbers"
>200 years later: wow she literally wrote the first computer program, lets name chips, languages and companies after her

>>105659311 (OP)
She did though? She read Luigi's basic description of the Analytical Engine, wrote her own detailed annotations over it and then designed her first few algorithms based on that.

Also annotated how the machine needed loops, something Babbage didn't even realize, being lost in the mechanical considerations and beauty of his machine, until she pointed it out to him, completely putting out the possibility of Babbage having given those algorithms to her.

We had a thread about this a few days ago >>105617181 and if you're among the ones saying that it's "all false/propaganda", then kindly enlighten us on how, instead of vaguely hand waving.

>>105659345
Not his algorithms, see above. And also not his paper, see above for that too. Also they mostly corresponded through letters, they're well documented and you can see what idea originated where.

Makes me wonder why you wish to preach your opinion, so arrogantly and as gospel when you haven't read anything on the topic.

>>105659376
>Not his algorithms
>All but one of the programs cited in her notes had been prepared by Babbage from three to seven years earlier. The exception was prepared by Babbage for her, although she did detect a "bug" in it. Not only is there no evidence that Ada ever prepared a program for the Analytical Engine, but her correspondence with Babbage shows that she did not have the knowledge to do so.
>Allan G. Bromley, 1990
>Lovelace made a considerable contribution to publicizing the Analytical Engine, but there is no evidence that she advanced the design or theory of it in any way
>Bruce Collier, 1990
>Ada only published the first computer program instead of actually writing it
>Doron Swade, 2008

>>105659409
I would request you to read the letters (they used to be hosted by the British Library, but I can't find them anymore) before forming a second hand opinion based on cherry picked first hand accounts. I have, and that's the conclusion I've come to.

And ofcourse Babbage would have produced the first algorithm at all for his computer, he designed the "Instruction Set", it's impossible to conceive he would have made it without understanding what he wanted from it,, but Ada's contributions are not entirely his. Also, none of them invented any algorithm, they were standard methods to do those computations. They only described how the computer would do it.

Like said in the previous thread, Babbage was definitely the greater intellect between the two. It was only said that this fanaticism or criticism for Ada are both undue, given she didn't really pioneer anything, but she was demonstrably smart and extremely young, given the mathematicians her age. Keep in mind that she learned informally late in her teens and these works are from her early twenties entirely.

Technology was a mistake

>>105659376
>t. no code
Writing algorithms is not programming. A cooking recipe is an algorithm. Are cooks programmers? No, they are not. To program something you need to implement it into a machine and actually run it. You don't only need to come up with an algorithm but get it to run on a specific machine (compiler, interpreter, processor). The AE was never build therefore no one could ever have written a program for it. There's not even proof that the machine he constructed would have worked without tweaks the way he proposed it.

>>105659311 (OP)
she was not the first computer programmer, but much of the foundational logic she used in her algorithm for the analytical engine contain many programming concepts still used today. so really, she contributed to programming before programming, but was not a computer programmer
there's definitely a lot of romance held in her visionary prowess which inflates her real-life contributions: to be able to see a design for essentially a hunk of metal and a bunch of cards and know that its capability could go beyond mathematics and be used to create music, art and language - modern computing impresses people more
but she does deserve recognition, and what title do you give her otherwise that regular people would understand?

>>105659474
>second hand opinion based on cherry picked first hand accounts
These were sophisticated historians, autographs of the people in question. People that actually did what you said.
>Babbage would have produced the first algorithm at all for his computer
So he was the first programmer, not her.
>but Ada's contributions are not entirely his
>not entirely his
So you agree that he prepared the algorithms for it.
>but she was demonstrably smart and extremely young
I am sure there been countless young and smart people like her in any time of history. Still we don't call them historically significant. Nothing of what Ada wrote went into actual computer science. In contrast to Grace Hopper, who actually made contributions to computers we actually used. Ada's letters were just some chitchat about what-could-be. No reason to make her a "women in computer science" meme.

Sometimes I just want to die, man.

>>105659507
What recognition does she deserve? There's nothing in her letters that we use today because of her letters. Her stuff was almost completely forgotten until the 1960s where feminist scholars (no-coders, mind you) started to claim that her notes could have been the first programs ever created, which is untrue. She is a political meme created entirely for propaganda, it has nothing to do with actual historical facts.

>>105659558
Are you kidding? Its always history and never HERstory. She's a woman, so she rightfully deserves the recognition she has been robbed of. No amount of recognition is enough. We need a publicly funded institute to celebrate our woman warriors of coding that have been downtrodden and oppressed by male usurpers who steal and benefit from women's hard unpaid work and pretend they deserve what they have when its built upon a bed of lies and generational theft

>>105659492
The whole "First Programmer" schtik comes from the fact that the Bernoulli numbers "program" (aka code), was written by her after Babbage told her how they are computed.

And virtual computers are computers, for fuck's sake, that is fucking stupid to say otherwise. Is TAOCP not a programming book too because MMIX doesn't exist? What kind of argument is that?

>>105659535
>he was the first programmer
Yes and it's unfair that he isn't called as such but it's a reasonable mantle to be handed to her next.

>so you agree...
Yes he did, and so did Ada. He also served as his mentor in that too as in he told her how it's done on paper and she wrote a computer program for it. There's nothing surprising about that, Babbage didn't invent any of those methods first hand either.

For the rest, I agree. She's not that important but the hate boner against her is unfair, especially because she did it at a very young age with very little experience. That's been my only point.

>>105659558
It's just a "credit where it's due" situation as said in the last thread. Her or Babbage's or Menabrea's works are not that important, but they did collectively do it before everyone else, so just give them their credit and move on. Nothing among all they did actually laid the foundation of the field of computing.

>>105659581
>MMIX doesn't exist?
So the programs written for it dont exist either by extension. That sounds like not programming with extra steps.

>>105659593
True, and if Donal Kuhnuth is a hack then we all might as well pack our bags up and activate the self destruct backdoors NSA has planted in all of the world's computers anyway. What's the point anymore?

>>105659581
>The whole "First Programmer" schtik comes from
No it entirely comes from "muh womyn in science mkay" schtick. Nothing else.
>Is TAOCP not a programming book too because MMIX doesn't exist?
That is discussing computer science concepts. Concepts that are based on actual used programming practices. MIXAL is artificial for a reason, to discuss concepts. The MMIX is an ideal computer.
I actually studied computer science and we discussed concepts in pseudo-code. They were not meant to be runable, they only had to be mathematically provable. If you had ever written a line of code, you'd know the difference between coming up with an algorithm and actually coding it.
>but it's a reasonable mantle to be handed to her next
Who was the second man on the moon?
>Yes he did, and so did Ada.
Either she wrote the first program, then she's the first programmer, or she did not, then she isn't. Ada did not have the knowledge to come up with own programs without preparation from the concept's creator.
>Nothing among all they did actually laid the foundation of the field of computing.
So what should they be credited for? They did nothing of importance in science for what we use and need today. Everything we have would have existed without them.
Is da Vinci credited as the first Helicopter pilot because he scribbled down a machine with a rotor that he thought maybe could fly?

>>105659311 (OP)
Bet she was cute though, so it's okay.

>man: *invents computer*
>woman: *writes some notes about said computer*
guess whose name we see today plastered all over computer science stuff?
i'm not even going to say she wasn't the first programmer, i don't know for sure, but it sure is telling that we see ada's name more often than babbage's. the bar for achievement is just that much lower for women i guess

>>105659667
>Is da Vinci credited as the first Helicopter pilot because he scribbled down a machine with a rotor that he thought maybe could fly?
babbages work was very much grounded in reality and had he the money to do it it probably would have worked. people have since later made replicas of his simpler difference engine design for example (which was also never made because he moved onto the analytical engine)
now that said, the analytical engine is a big step up, so it'd take a lot of knowledge to even know if it was feasible to make, but at the absolute least it's far more than "bro what if we made some gears do the math for us using steam lol"

>>105659845
But it was never build without tweaks. You know how far apart theory and praxis are when it comes down to actually making something work.

>>105659794
That's what we call a vagina award.

>>105660052
Nerd

Sent from my iPhone

>>105659558
>She is a political meme created entirely for propaganda, it has nothing to do with actual historical facts.


Thats a good summary of history.

>>105660052
sure, i don't deny at all that there can be a great divide between theory and practice, my point is that he really did work on the difference engine back in the day. he absolutely intended to make it. it was not just a theoretical machine. it's just that making such a machine back then was absurdly expensive (many thousands of precise hand-made metal gearing was not something you could order for anything resembling cheap). and there wasn't a world war happening at the time (go look up when the first general purpose computer was actually made...) so the funds just didn't happen. not to mention the time needed to make it
however, there's no doubt that he saw a real problem (mathematical tables used for serious life-or-death purposes such as ship navigation relied on processes that were done in imprecise ways, i.e. by hand, the calculations, transcription and printing/duplication was all handled many times and resulted in many errors). he envisioned a computer to automate this work to reduce errors, something we take for granted today

>>105660138
>hand-made metal gearing
and it should be obvious, but hand-made was the only option, this was in the first half of the 19th century, shit wasn't going to be cnc'd in china. they didn't even have electricity yet, this was seriously early shit

>>105659311 (OP)
>She never wrote a single line of code
Well, duh. Programming languages come long after first programmers.

>>105659311 (OP)
Define computer and define programming.
Random monks making punch holes in board/tapes for autoplaying organs are no lesser programmers than modern code monkeys.

>>105659492
>To program something you need to implement it into a machine and actually run it.
There was no machine because Babbage never completed any project he started.
He was a true /g/tard.

>>105660262
there is also that angle, textile looms even then supported programmable patterns
i think what sets those apart is that the analytical engine was i believe theoretically turing complete. that concept didn't even exist then but it's what is used to define what makes a computer general purpose or not

>>105659794
>we see ada's name more often than babbage's
I doubt that.
Maybe on some new stuff because Babbage's name has already been used before?

>>105660138
Nothing of what you write has anything to do with my argument that it is not proven that it would have worked right off the table.

she kinda cute tho. does she have an of?

>>105660569
she died 174 years ago

>>105660381
Where do you see Babbage's name?

>>105660674
i can fix her

If you actually look up the single credited algo she wrote you'd see its just one line fraction operation
She herself stated in letters that she didn't understand any of this and needed her BF's help with everything

>>105659535
>These were sophisticated historians, autographs of the people in question. People that actually did what you said.
this is the same shit i hear when someone is telling me to trust the (((science)))
nah m8 you should know by now to check the early life IE read nigga read

>>105659311 (OP)
>get told in the last thread
>remake the thread
I am sorry that you feel so mogged by 25 lines of ancient assembly that you have to project the modern culture war on shit that happened almost 200 years ago.
Your totally original and unpopular opinion might get you more upvotes on twitter, so maybe you should try there. And if not, you can always ask grok to agree with you.

>>105660882
>get told in the last thread
>remake the thread
Are you genuinely too retarded to read the thread? Oh ... sorry you got triggered again by two different people shattering your worldview.

>>105660674
The first programmer was a trans woman

>>105661042
that's just what a 28yo woman looks like without modern makeup and computer picture manipulation

i'm not kidding, she was 28 years old when that photograph was taken.

>>105659535
>These were sophisticated historians
never heard of them

>>105659311 (OP)
>she
the first programmer is a tranny

no real life woman has ever done anything significant in the history of civilization, which is exactly why we have to hear about how great they are all the time from academic beta m*les who cant compete in the sexual market and have thus derived a set of values and ideologies that precipitate from their resent of the biological phenomena that ultimately run our world.

>Dostoyevskys little rats hiding in the sewers

>>105659686
There's a reason why people use a painted portrait of her when a photograph exists.

>>105660569
>>105659686
>cute
Guess why she had Simps that introduced her to math and praised her on how genius she was.

>>105661042
>>105661590
>see woman
>immediately think about men in drag
Lobotomy. Now.

She wasn't the first computer programmer but she did make a significant contribution to computer science and it connects later to Grace Hopper. Anyone who actually has in depth knowledge of the two of them will immediately know what I'm talking about. If you don't know, you haven't researched the subject matter deep enough to have an informed opinion.
It's interesting that womynists focus so heavily on Lovelace, having ignored other women, especially Grace Hopper, until recently when there's been more push back against the claims of Ada Lovelace being the first programmer. Guess womynists are more approving of wealthy aristocrats than they are of military women doing actual work.

>>105659311 (OP)
Have you tried not being an incel

>>105662173
Why do you retards just repeat obvious propaganda lies when first sources discredit your entire narrative? Lovelace herself directly refutes the modern narrative that was post hoc built up around her.

>>105662173
Her letters were almost completely forgotten until the 1960s when Hopper already invented the first computer language. How could Lovelace being anything of significance?

>>105659311 (OP)
>there's no proof that she even had the knowledge to do so
Ada Lovelace was the daughter of Lord Byron, she was the pupil of George Boole one of the first logicians, George Boole's work was formalized by Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (Lewis Carroll).

>>105662173

>>105661670
Because Ada is trans

>>105659311 (OP)
No, she's not. Fake and gay.

>>105662452
Adam Lovelace was the son of Lord Byron, who later became Ada Lovelace

>>105661919
>see a man in drag
>try to gaslight everyone that's a woman
Therapy. Now.

I'm an incel too but damn some of you really really hate women

>>105659311 (OP)
technically she was a computer, which is not the modern day equivalent of a programmer
it's all very misleading, and I dare say intentionally so

>>105659376
>Also annotated how the machine needed loops,

>invent the first computer
>show it to a woman
>it's not good enough for her

what you need to realize is that women and blacks invented everything, they did everything first, they are smarter and better and more inventive at everything than men especially white men.

idk how old you are op but when i was a kid the narrative was that women were better at multitasking than men. whatever the fuck that means. just a polite way to say they aren't able to focus on anything in particular.
i had three girls (female) in my engineering class at college. each of them were paid to be there and none of them had any interest in engineering whatsoever. one of them was going to do maths instead but wouldn't have been paid a stipend designed to encourage women into 'STEM' (if you didn't know, the M in STEM stands for maths) the other two work in hr roles in engneering companies.
the whole thing is a joke.
the other role model that gets rolled out for women is emily pankhurst, threw herself in front of a horse so woemn would get the vote. of course at the time men weren't able to vote either, it was only wealthy land owner head of houses who could vote in general elections (county level / parish elections were open to everyone and women even stood and won them) along with their husbands for some reason, because the only thing general election decided on at the time was going to war, something which women didn't have to do. and then after the war men were given the vote for dying for their country, and two years later women were given the vote for...doing the jobs men were doing the whole time while the men were away dying.

anyway, what matters is that we need diversity (many many more women) in engineering. engineering isn't about rigorously following tried and tested rules and equations its about having lots of different ideas and opinions about things and being inventive. lying to achieve that is fine.

>>105659311 (OP)
The first programmable computer was made by Konrad Zuse, who was also the first programmer. He was a german working for the nazi government.

>>105659376
>Chuds BTFO'd once more.
Chudcel sisters! How can we recover?

>>105662464
Wasn't he sent to prison for trying to dick a kid?

>>105659376
I once read a book by 'Cyber feminist' Sadie Plant and she seriously suggested that women did all the work while men claimed credit.

>>105664443
Yeah if you read books by Authors that call themselves functional synonyms of "retard", don't be surprise if you read something retarded

>>105664395
He was definitely arrested for that, not sure if hes been convicted yet. Just one of many pro gay activists from tiktok who were total pedophiles.

>>105660129
but what about the confederate statues, those are real

The first KNOWN computer programmer would undoubtedly be the guy(s?) who made the Antikythera Mechanism for sure.

But it raises an important point - given that your job and entire livelihood might be at stake, do you submit to the statement that Ada Lovelace was the first computer programmer? Your answer will be stored and biometrically cross-referenced for all time.

>>105665664
they cant be known if theyu are unknown m80

>>105665825
OK but the dude's still literally the first computer programmer ever.

There was that Jesuit guy too what who had the word-wheels where you line up your sins and see what to read in the Bible or whatever. That was a computer.

>>105659483
This but unironically

>>105666009
kinda ironic to post a church image as the clergy were solving computer programs before computers, also the inventor of the computer was big into religion and tried to find proof of god in computer bugs

>>105659311 (OP)
Ironically, feminist revisionism has now made Ava look less important to most people.
It's a bit strange that.
She was fucking important, but now we have to ask "is this just feminist revisionism" every time.

Just goes to show, revisionism is pure cancer and harms people's reputation for the people promoted by it.
You can't overcook it. These women were already being promoted before feminists were pushing them too, because it was a curiosity at the time.

>>105664072
Still spouting this slop because you 100% cannot stand being in the shadow of the British. You desperately try to involve yourselves in things that had absolutely NOTHING to do with any German whatsoever so you can spin history.
Even if we do something years before you you still do this, even with historical evidence you still do this, quite honestly it is beyond pathetic.

>>105661670
But she looks better and more human here. This is the better image.
I have issues when I see people at 30 something trying to hide their wrinkles. It grosses me out. I see people my age hiding them and that pisses me off a bit. It works, but you've lost the soul there. Sometimes it's better to have some wrinkles.. just not too much. Looking like a barbie is not right and I hated teens caking their face when I was a teen and I hate it now when I'm double that age.

When you're 40-odd... yeah fair cop.

>>105664072
Actually, it was Zuse + Turing that made the first REAL computer - an electromechanical one that is Turing complete.
So it was nazis AND homosexuals.

Imagine if the long knives never happened. We'd be speaking German right now.

>>105666231
Mate, I'm anglo, I totally agree with that anon that Zuse laid the foundations for what we, today, commonly call a "computer" which was just an electromechanical computer.
But as >>105666278 points out, Turing is also critical here.


And Babbage/Lovelace laid some foundations for computation, but it wasn't quite there to satisfy our modern interpretation of "a computer".

>>105666278
Actually you have Shannon to thank more than anyone for that.
Also
>The Germans literally believe they can try to intimidate other nations into giving their pet rodent free money without consequence

>>105666288
>Turing is also critical here
No, he was not.

>>105666147
Historical revisionism can be a powerful tool for analyzing history. Nothing that feminazis do is analytical in the slightest, it's just long winded diatribes that can be summarized with "it's true because I feel like it is".

>>105666253
was she was 28 in that daguerrotype. she died before she hit 40

>>105666288
>but it wasn't quite there to satisfy our modern interpretation of "a computer".
the analytical engine, while not produced, was conceptually a harvard-architecture computer with microcode, punch card input and printer output, it had writable memory and from what i've heard would have been turing complete
while it's not the more familiar von neumann architecture of most modern computers, i don't see anyone suggest it wasn't a general purpose computer

>>105667625
-- probably the strangest by today's standards part is that it's not using binary. it was a decimal machine. in the earlier days of computers this wasn't as strange and you can absolutely make a computer using something other than binary
really this shouldn't be surprising, computers were naturally envisioned as a way to automate mathematical calculations, which is all done by people using decimal. babbage was also a mathematician and designed the machine specifically for the purpose of doing math automatically to reduce human handling errors

>>105660279
yea.. i wonder if he actually focused on finishing the difference engine instead of trying to one-up it before it was even finished, he may have gotten more funding towards the bigger project
or maybe not. while the function of the difference engine was apparently quite important/useful (it's like a single-function calculator but that function was oft-used), there still can't have been many entities who could fork out the cost of such a machine to have one made for them. thousands of hand-crafted metal gearing wasn't cheap

>>105662383
Because Grace Hopper herself says she got the idea of sub-routines from Ada's writings. Hopper's contemporaries didn't see the value in them, so she had to make use of them to prove their worth.
>>105662225
Learn to make allies, not enemies. As I said in my earlier post, Ada Lovelace should not be considered the first programmer but she did make a contribution to computer science. You're so wrapped up in not seeing 100% "women bad" that you're trying to make an enemy of someone who already agrees with the overarching point of the thread. You're going to have a very shitty life where you have no idea why so many people dislike you if you don't get your head out of your ass and learn the most basic people skills.

>>105664526
He was never arrested, he just got exposed on TikTok then closed all his social media and changed his name

>>105659311 (OP)
>NOOOOOOO WOMEN CANT EVER DO ANYTHING AAAAHHHHH HELP ME IM GOING INSAAAAAANE

>>105668457
Nobody looks like that or says that.

If you had said "SAVE ME NIGGERMAANN!" instead, then maybe.

>>105668470
See
>>105661614

Even people in the 1800s accepted that trans women are women. Magats and drumpf are fascists

>>105668497
He's also the kind of guy who says "SAVE ME NIGGERMAANNN"(based), so my post is not contradicted.

E1337 Skitzophrenia

>>105668519
>picrel
Ada Lovelace

>>105661670
i would hit it even if she is that blurry in real life

>Lovelace died at the age of 36 on 27 November 1852 from cervical cancer ... She lost contact with her husband after confessing something to him on 30 August which caused him to abandon her bedside. It is not known what she told him.
HMMMMMMMMM

>>105669187
She just told him normal woman things, the husband was just jealous and intimated by her being the computer programmer and making history while he accomplished nothing

>>105669859
First computer programmer*

>>105669859
I seriously doubt 19th century programmers were held in higher regard than in the 20th century. Then again the profession had completely changed so it's a moot point

>>105669187
> I fucked Tyrone

>>105659507
I described a game that was almost identical to Minecraft in detail on a notebook two years before Notch even started working on it. I even showed to a few people.
Does this mean I "contributed to Minecraft before Minecraft"? That's a retarded take.
Ada Lovelace was a nobody for modern intents and purposes, and nobody cared about her in our current times before she was co-opted as a political meme.

Increasing female labour force participation is a terminal goal of western liberal elites. Especially if you believe in stereotype threat (which is fake btw), bending the truth is little is acceptable.
Leftists in general follow a fake it till you make it approach on a civilizational scale. Too bad it won't work, but due to the low birthrates they are causing, at least no one will be around to mourn the failure.

>>105670952
This . Leftists are corpo bootlicker fags and I hate how they don't see it.

>>105670952
>leftists
>bending the truth a little
Kek nigga, take it straight from Lenin's mouth
>We must be ready to employ trickery, deceit, law-breaking, withholding and concealing truth. We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, scorn, and the like, toward those who disagree with us

>>105659311 (OP)
>never wrote a single line of code
Programming has nothing to do with shitting out code. It is inventing algorithms, which Ada did, this is documented.

>>105671217
*Babbage

ftfy

>>105671198
postmodernist deny that objective truth is even a coherent or useful category

>>105659311 (OP)
It's always muh facts and logic until you people's world view is dented the tiniest, most miniscule bit.

>>105659311 (OP)
Apparently she is NOT the IDA lady.

>>105659311 (OP)
Leftists don't value the truth. They openly admit that they want to rewrite history.

>>105659311 (OP)
Literally the power of nepotism, she was the only (officially recognized) daughter of certrain very famous man.

>>105668519
>>105668519
Logan's Run was onto something here...

Just like how Marie Curie wasn't actually a chemist, her husband was, and just stuck her name on papers as a joke.
And George Washington Carver didn't invent peanut butter

>>105659555
if you die they win

>>105660764
at the grocery store

>>105674643
Marie Curie spent so much time around the radioactive elements that her corpse had to be handled like nucler waste. So she certainly helped her hubby in the lab, even if it might have been just sweeping dust.

>>105667836
>dude what if we took functions, you know that mathematical concept
>and like, got rid of the need to return something from them
>we could call them subroutines
WOAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HOLY SHIT GRACE HOPPER YOU'RE A GENIUS

>>105659311 (OP)
No, Thomas Hobbes was the first programmer.
The first part of Leviathan is the static language and type declaration. The second part is of Leviathan is the compiler. The third part of the Leviathan is the executable.

>>105674768
she was a test tube washer

>>105671198
>We must be ready to employ trickery, deceit, law-breaking, withholding and concealing truth. We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, scorn, and the like, toward those who disagree with us
made up right wing propaganda, not even from the time he was alive
this thread is misogyny and fake bullshit general