Thoughts about new EU regulations for Phones and Tablets that came into effect yesterday /g/?

>resistance to accidental drops or scratches and protection from dust and water
>sufficiently durable batteries which can withstand at least 800 charge and discharge cycles while retaining at least 80% of their initial capacity
>rules on disassembly and repair, including obligations for producers to make critical spare parts available within 5-10 working days, and for 7 years after the end of sales of the product model on the EU market
>availability of operating system upgrades for longer periods (at least 5 years from the date of the end of placement on the market of the last unit of a product model)
>non-discriminatory access for professional repairers to any software or firmware needed for the replacement

https://energy-efficient-products.ec.europa.eu/product-list/smartphones-and-tablets_en
https://eprel.ec.europa.eu/screen/product/smartphonestablets20231669
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg_del/2023/1669

>rules on disassembly and repair, including obligations for producers to make critical spare parts available within 5-10 working days, and for 7 years after the end of sales of the product model on the EU market
>availability of operating system upgrades for longer periods (at least 5 years from the date of the end of placement on the market of the last unit of a product model)
>non-discriminatory access for professional repairers to any software or firmware needed for the replacement
sounds based, though I think the access to software (which includes firmware) should be available easily for anyone.

migatards will seethe about this

Right to repair is the best thing in that list. The rest is micromanagement.
Phones that aren't resistant to damage shouldn't be regulated, just don't fucking buy them because they're bad value, same with bad batteries. Perhaps also with OS upgrades but manufacturers are definitely motivated to make you buy the next phone rather than keep your current one.

>>105659785 (OP)
Based. I was thinking of buying a new phone but I guess I should wait a bit if these regulations are coming to effect from now on

What are the penalties for lying on the sheet?

>>105660695
probably fines at first and if they continue i guess they're gonna make it illegal to sell those phones in the eu

>>105659785 (OP)
>availability of operating system upgrades
what does this mean exactly?
e.g. availability to upgrade to the latest android version at the end of year 5?
or just security updates?
or any kind of bullshit update (e.g. changing the default background) for the sake of update to satisfy this rule?

>>105660920
I wish instead of this the EU would regulate android itself, so it's decoupled from the manufacturers, and and it would be up to the user to update, similar how windows is updated
imagine if the Dell laptop you bought in 2020 with win10 wouldn't receive windows 11 upgrade
that would be chaos

>>105659785 (OP)
>Battery user-replaceable
It's neat that they list this. That's one thing I actually want in a phone. My current S7 is slowly becoming dead weight as the charger port is getting worse and worse over time. I'd need to get a Qi charger at this rate if I wanted to keep using it, and there's no way to open it up so I can solder in a replacement. And it still runs everything just fine so it's not like I need a new phone.

>>105660958
>imagine if the Dell laptop you bought in 2020 with win10 wouldn't receive windows 11 upgrade

This actually happened circa 2005 when Vista came out. Nobody batted an eyelid and just assumed it was Microsofts fault, when it was the OEMs.

>>105661473
>This actually happened circa 2005 when Vista came out.
no

>>105661517
Sorry, you are right, it happened in 2006, that's when Vista came out.

I've personally seen it happen as late as 2010 when people wanted to upgrade their once-high-end rigs to run Windows 7, and I had to tell them the motherboard has no Win7 drivers so it won't run, they have to buy a slightly faster Core 2 Duo, which was luckily pretty cheap by 2010.
(said person ended up getting a 6 core Phenom II build, which was actually quite a lot faster than my own Core 2).

>>105661547
>the motherboard has no Win7 drivers so it won't run
nonsense

>>105659785 (OP)
>resistance to accidental drops or scratches and protection from dust and water
this makes any design other than the barely interactive slabdroid haram

>>105659785 (OP)
Most of those things should apply only to 400€+ products, no one expects a 200€ phone to last long or be repairable and that's fine, that level of regulation will only harm that market

>>105661594
>no one expects a 200€ phone to last long or be repairable
I do

>>105661547
you can run win7 on anything pentium 3 and up

>>105659785 (OP)
I want to regulate how much oxygen jannies of the real world are allowed to consume

>>105659785 (OP)
good shit, more libertarian seethe is always good

>>105661594
My 6yr old phone costed 200€ and I have taken it multiple times to change the screen.

>>105659785 (OP)
the EU's biggest export is regulation.

Nonsensical regulation. Industry already addresses these.

>>105659826
I am pretty sure that is informative, as in the physical durability of the device has to be revealed to the consumer before purchase.

How is energy efficiency calculated? I bet it's something retarded.
Otherwise it's just a spec sheet but more bureaucratic. Repairability score is interesting.

>>105661594
List them anyway and if a company pass them somehow they can tout it as a selling point. "The budget phone that won't break itself or your wallet"

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>105659785 (OP)
I like the idea, but it's executed poorly on so many levels
like why the fuck put the energy efficiency label as the biggest most important thing? it's a fucking phone, not only does it pretty much not matter on such a device, but it's also very tough to measure (e.g. phone X uses 2x as much power as phone Y while having a much smaller screen but 3x faster processor, it's hard to quantify objectively which of the two is more efficient, especially when it comes a lot down to usage, some phones are more efficient at certain tasks than others)
and why the fuck is 5 years of updates a "1 - bare legal minimum" but 7 years a "5 - absolute perfect score"? every manufacturer will go for 7 years of updates to get those juicy 4 extra points while deducting 1 point from everything else (e.g. repairability)
france's repairability index has already been gamed a lot, a fairphone has a worse rating than a shitty 200$ samsung with an impossible to replace battery, they put too much irrelevant shit that's weighted too much is what i'm saying.

>>105663245
>iPhone getting a C rating for repairability
...how
how the fuck is it "ok - not too bad, not too good" when every single part is very hard to replace, very expensive, and most imporantly paired to each device?
if an iPhone is a C, any other random chinkshit phone is an A+, they already fucked up on this.

>>105664020
C in this case means "Apple bribed me but a perfect score would have been to obvious".

when half of >>>/g/ is telling you it's a grotesque abuse of governmental power you know you're doing something right. looking forward to california pulling us into the future in a couple years.

>>105659785 (OP)
wtf
EU being based for once?

what does the fine print say?
theres alsways some shitfuckery in the fine print

>>105664064
if opinions on /g/ are half and half
then regardless whether youre right or wrong you will always see the same result
>liberal logic
lamao

>>105659785 (OP)
But why does a government take care about such things? – Apple users right now.

>>105659785 (OP)
Absolutely based EU protecting consumers from corporations, wish the US government didn't enjoy watching and assisting in us get brutally skull fucked by corporations. They have good privacy laws too besides not being able to say wrong think. I hope the batteries are forced to be easily replaceable too like they used to be. A few screws and a gasket, not hard just costs more than gluing the phone together.

>>105664020
Have you lodged a complaint to iFixit yet?

>>105664200
isn't it like actually easier to "fix" outside of the drm parts bs?

>>105664221
It has a higher score on iFixit than for example Google Pixel 9 (5/10) or Samsung Galaxy S22 (3/10).

>>105663245
energy ratings should factor in the average jeetiness of code
anything worse than bare metal masterworks should get a G
you should be able to enjoy the entirety of human knowledge and multimedia (except games) on about 1.5W peak power

>>105664200
ifixit also rates shit in retarded ways, yes.
they make it very clear and transparent that they value ease of repair way more than cost of parts or availability of parts, which are pretty much completely unaccounted for
...which is very fucking stupid and fucks up their scores entirely
in this case, the iphone 16 gets a good rating because yes, mechanically, iPhones aren't very hard to repair at all...
but when the replacement part doesn't exist, costs a lot of money, or straight up won't work because of parts pairing, the fact that it can be "mechanically repaired with just a screw driver" is entirely meaningless

>>105664266
forgot to attach picrel, you should be able to understand how absurd this is.
they value cost and availability of parts... only 10% of the total score, 90% is "can parts be mechanically replaced easily"? it's frankly insane.
you could make a device with absolutely no parts available anywhere + pairing, and still get a 10 out of 10 as long as everything is easily detached and reattached to the device.
iFixit is frankly kinda like... "repair-washing" in many ways, other than this they keep accepting extremely stupid collaborations to make manufacturers look good (e.g. logitech which provides spare parts on ifixit, but only 25$ mice skates for like 2 specific models and nothing else) and they sell the most insanely overpriced repair kits, it's right to repair corpo-slop edition.

>>105664309
Playing devil's advocate, the newer iPhone would be very easy for Apple to fix.

>>105664356
>would be very easy for Apple to fix
which is the entire point, that doesn't mean jackshit for repairability or right to repair, they control all of it.
any manufacturer can ""repair"" any device (they'll just quote you an entirely new unit if it's too costly or complicated) they sell at any price just like apple can, it's not special at that, if anything the fact that they make it easy and cost-efficient for themselves while hard for others makes apple even more evil than every other manufacturer

>>105664394
Don't disagree, I mean from a "green/e-waste" pov, they could repair them easily if they wanted to.

>>105664160
and you can count on a conservative to start from a demonstrably false premise to reach their intended conclusion :^)

>>105664417
I really don't get what your point is
>if they wanted to
even if apple wanted to offer cheap repairs, how does them having control over every repair make it greener or less ewaste?
more repair shops being available means more competition (so even lower prices) and more options for the consumer (e.g. local repair store right outside your house instead of taking the car for a drive to the mall where the apple store is), which in turn means higher rates of repair/less e-waste

>>105664448
honestly, yeah
idk what the fuck is wrong with american people
you would think that they can see through the bullshit
idk, now that i gave it a fink, i believe its a matter of ethos and education
>avoiding responsibility
>never confronting with the darker aspects needing rectification
and the result is a complete lack of morals (because these only apply when convenient)
and a complete lack of intellectual rigor as final result

>>105664545
Meant compared to glued in completely impossible to fix at all phones

>>105659785 (OP)
>>105659797
I love europe now

Hey look more government regulations that could simply be avoided by repealing intellectual property.

>>105659785 (OP)
And someday G rated phones/tablets will be banned from being sold inside EU markets, like for TVs.
This will exclude devices with high-end SoCs, or can it be gimped with a power saving cpu governor.