For most people Linux in 2025 will just be flatly superior than Windows but there are a few shortcomings:
>FOSSfaggotry
Many of the commonly-recommended distros like Fedora don't come with proprietary drivers/codecs. The end user wants their computer to work, and distros that indeed work should be recommended more often.
>Microsoft Office
If you specifically need MICROSOFT Office (eg for collaboration) and don't want to use the browser version, then Linux is not for you.
>Adobe stuff
Nope.
>Video editing
Premiere and Vegas are crap through Wine, and Kdenlive will remain crap by default until OFX support is added.
>Certain games
Some games' anticheat systems are incompatible with Proton. We are very fortunate none of these games are actually any good, but it's possible a good game might come out that just doesn't work on Linux. I hope kernel anticheat will become a thing of the past due to publishers trying to capture the Steam Deck market. Also,
>Contrarianism
The Linux community is one of the biggest obstacles to Linux progress. Idiots need to stop recommending GNOME when it doesn't even let you put things on your desktop and just turns your computer into an even shittier Mac. KDE Plasma and Cinnamon are the only acceptable DE's, though Cinnamon is ugly. Idiots also need to stop championing Wayland when it isn't compatible with half your applications.

Linux can definitely replace Windows nowadays, but it'll be some years before it's absolutely perfect.

>>105660136 (OP)
>Idiots need to stop recommending GNOME when it doesn't even let you put things on your desktop
If only there were other directories that the user has write access to!
>and just turns your computer into an even shittier Mac
You mean the OS that most normies love?
>Idiots also need to stop championing Wayland when it isn't compatible with half your applications
What normie application is Wayland incompatible with?
>KDE Plasma and Cinnamon are the only acceptable DE's
/g/igga please

>>105660179
>If only there were other directories that the user has write access to!
GNOMEfag brushing off basic UX faults, like always.
>You mean the OS that most normies love?
pic related
>What normie application is Wayland incompatible with?
Literally all of them if you have an NVIDIA card LOL

>>105660202
>stats
The only reason most non-gamer normies don't have Mac is that it is ridiculously expensive.
>ux faults
Please don't tell me you are prepared to defend KDE/Cinnamon UX lol
>nvidia
And somehow that didn't make your epic list

If ever Microsoft ever feels remotely threatened they can just rollback some of their exploitative crap and all the little maggots will come crawling back in an instant like nothing ever happened.

>>105660136 (OP)
Is there even a point to OS wars anymore?
The average normies doesn't even own a computer. If you own a computer then either you're a nerd (so you can use whatever you like) or you need specific software that locks you to a specific OS. Who are you trying to convince to change sides here?

face the facts
without a universal desktop environment that gives you a fully working gui for installing programs and updates then linux will never ever catch any traction

>>105660561
But it has that

>>105660136 (OP)
>until OFX support is added.
why does that matter? im looking to go from davinci resolve to kdenlive because the former runs like shit with all the codec loops i have to jump

>>105660700
>why does that matter?
So that you can use SapphireFX, RSMB, and whatever other plugins you may have.

>>105660530
>the average normies doesn't even own a computer
is this true?

>>105660721
very poor people do not own a computer

>>105660706
ah, i'm pretty content with the default plugins in davinci resolve. i guess i wont be missing too much with my switch.

>>105660339
I sure hope so.
As soon as more than 10% of people start using linux, someone will figure out a way to systematically ruin that system.
We unironically need more gatekeeping in order to keep linux from going to shit.

>>105660721
Zoomers do everything on their phones, boomers use tablets and smart TVs. Most millennials who own a computer only do so for WFH, otherwise they either use their phones or tablets

>>105660339
Ah yes, the "boiling the frog" strategy.

The final boss is that Microsoft influences big tech companies not to support Linux. They support Mac which has less market share than it used to and goes through frequent architecture changes and they support Android which is "proprietary Linux" but they are too scared to support real Linux.

>>105660339
They already are with "Xbox Gaming Mode" on handhelds. The fact they still make LTSCs is another concession.

>>105661813
This. Desktops / Laptops are minorities. We are the niggers of computing.

>>105660136 (OP)
The way one install shit on Linux is beyond terrible.
If you can just pendrive an Ubuntu and check their AppCenter. Most tools have a poor review, zero quality control.
Installed tools are not added to the "Windows Start Menu" so you simply just forget the name of software that handles what you need. For Christ my Savior I keep forgetting what is the tool that monitor GPU usage and why is it not on the system monitor by default?
Also from the AppCenter, most software is outdated because it is just a snap made by autistic trannies. A normie will never accept using those they scream virus and pirated.
The alternative to the AppCenter is the original sudo apt sudo dnf or whatever. Command line is unnormable, will never be adopted. Impossible. Linux fags need a huge wake up call on this insistence of the command line. I need to go to the website anyway so I can know what is the name of the repo and dependencies, why not have a big bright "DOWNLOAD INSTALLER FOR LINUX" button that runs a wizard installation?
>But but how can there be a wizard if there are a billion different distros?
This is exactly why we need a wizard. Let it detect the system and just install. The user doesn't need to remember if this is Fedora Silvernigger Version Deploy 3.45762 or Fedora Fiddlefuck Release Night 3.7.8.45762. Normies don't even know Windows 10 from 11 imagine a normie keeping track of what rice the schizos trannies burned in the OS he is using.
For fuck sake I lost hours trying to find the driver for my distro so that my monitor's output jack works. HOURS. On windows it is plug and play. A normie wouldn't try for 10 seconds.

tldr Linux will never catch-up, it is not graded for the average people. I hate the anti christ I denounce the Talmud I denounce Islam and his false prophet I denounce mamom and his greed I denounce satan the accuser Christ is my King and Savior

>>105662637
I have qbit torrent on Ubuntu. its an AppImage that standalone format. No icon to let me know what software it is by glance. No installation so it just hangs on whatever folder I downloaded. No integration with the browser.Terrible user experience.

linux doesn't have to be perfect, it only has to be better than windows. this is why i switched in 2004

>>105662112
>Microsoft influences big tech companies not to support Linux
And yet Microsoft yearly contributes 10k+ lines of code to Linux and changes others. Just admit you hate Microsoft instead of posting bullshit claims that you can't prove.

>>105660530
This is true. Most people will use their phones for everything and only use a computer if it's work related and if that's the case, that work computer must have windows because of AD and other policies.
For gaming people also use their phones for gachas or a console/switch if they want to game.
So why would anyone use a computer for entertainment anymore? Only power users use one nowadays.

>>105662637
sounds like a Ubuntu issue
>Installed tools are not added to the "Windows Start Menu"
They are on KDE.
>why is it not on the system monitor by default?
It is on KDE.
>Also from the AppCenter, most software is outdated because it is just a snap made by autistic trannies.
Manjaro KDE uses pamac so snaps aren't even a problem there.
>why not have a big bright "DOWNLOAD INSTALLER FOR LINUX" button that runs a wizard installation?
Probably because you're not going to install it off a browser anyway, but via your package manager (which is not too different from normies installing everything off the App Store). Also, so many programs are offered as AppImages or Flatpaks that can be installed straight from your browser. Nevertheless, I agree that the option should be there; wizards should be distributed as AppImages.
>For fuck sake I lost hours trying to find the driver for my distro so that my monitor's output jack works. HOURS
Manjaro comes with proprietary drivers

>>105662722
I'll admit it when The full Adobe suite is Linux native without emulation.

>>105662861
Linux cultist, got it. Congrats on being retarded and getting filtered.

>>105662722
>And yet Microsoft yearly contributes 10k+ lines of code to Linux
The sole reason they contribute to the Linux kernel is to improve its interoperability with their own products (Hyper-V, MSSQL etc). This in itself is fine, but it also doesn't change the fact that they are *still* hostile to Linux on the desktop; they're just subtler about it now. For a long time they used their soft power to bully manufacturers into not supporting Linux, for example, which led to silly things like Dell offering FreeDOS as an OS preinstall option as a loophole for customers who didn't want to pay for a Windows license.
And frankly, even if his point of view was just "microshart is le bad", that would still be entirely valid. Jeet.

>>105662780
> Most people will use their phones for everything and only use a computer if it's work related
>So why would anyone use a computer for entertainment anymore? Only power users use one nowadays.

So why does Microsoft keep trying to turn Windows into a phone OS if people are only using it for work?

>>105662637
I can't tell if you're trolling, but I'll assume that you aren't. Quit being such a noob. Go brag to normalfags how good you are at using your fisher-price OS. Also, gtfo with your popularity contest mindset, treating linux like it's some tech company that needs to expand its market by catering to tech illiterate niggers such as yourself.
>hurr durr gais lol i haet judaism and islam, christianity ftw, do i fit in yet?
...is that sum weird form of virtue-signalling?

>>105660136 (OP)

I only need After Effects and FL Studio to work and I will move, or get something equivalent.
I thought about LMMS and Natron but they have kinda shit interfaces and workflow.

>>105663029
>denounces judaism
>retard chimps out because of it
go back to /r/eddit

>>105663185
No, I denounce judaism too, but it's completely unrelated to what the dude was talking about. It kind of felt like he threw it out there because he noticed how jewish his mindset comes across.

>>105663029
> treating linux like it's some tech company that needs to expand its market by catering to tech illiterate niggers such as my mother
Expand means the OS can grown without relying on schizo trannies working for free.
I am afraid in a few years Linux will be completely relying on Gaben's mood to continue developing anything that won't brick the system when it detects a slur.
>>105663238
Based I take it back about your mother you are good.

>>105662799
I honestly never used anything outside Ubuntu/Ubuntu Server (work related). Maybe will try to use the KDE on my home setup.

>no paint.net equivalent
I've tried everything, krita, pinta, libre draw, they're all dogshit. GIMP may as well be photoshop, it's overkill and quite frankly horrible to use. How has no one made something like paint.net yet? Just copy the interface and change the icons a bit and bam. Don't even need the plugin support (probably wouldn't be possible with all the .net dependencies anyway), just the UI is perfect.

>>105662637
>Also from the AppCenter, most software is outdated because it is just a snap made by autistic trannies
>The alternative to the AppCenter is the original sudo apt sudo dnf or whatever.
The normalfag alternative is Flatpaks+Flathub. Come on, dude, even normgroids with Steam Decks can figure this shit out.

>>105660136 (OP)
The only shit I really miss is Fusion360 and Visual Studio. Other than that, Windows fucking blows.

>>105663745
What you want is a catch-22. People who refuse to use programs that aren't perfectly exact clones of the Windows-only apps they are used to, to the point where they don't even want to use other Windows apps, will never use Linux anyway. I say this not out of judgment but as a simple statement of fact.

>>105663882
Kubuntu is my daily driver. I only boot into windows to use my DAW and image editing.

>>105660136 (OP)
Office people are just whining and all compability issues would be fixed if everyone used .odf

With video editing olive editor is going to solve it

Gnome is the best, you are gay, linux shouldn't be catering to winblows boomers.

>>105662687
I also have qBittorrent on Xubuntu and I don't know where your install is from, but mine is all totally normal.

>>105662687
you probably have a snap install, delete it and install the proper one.

>>105662995
As a rhetorical question yes it is a stupid way to lose money, throwing one thing people like into something with a different use. Literally thinking if they make a phone O/S people will keep using their PCs for things a phone can do when all it does is make power users reee to high heaven. To me though what sucks and this may make no sense to anyone else but the touch screen style crap is actually close to a game console style GUI which if done properly can be faster. If Windows just made every touch screen style menu and the taskbar actually easily controllable via keyboard or controller that would be the best O/S. For example pressing alt tab is always faster than a mouse. Text based guis when you're doing stupid shit like inventory, way faster than a desktop. Windows can't match that speed and fluidity but it could try

My coworkers can barely work the windows file system without a full IT department, there’s zero chance the company will ever switch to Linux

>>105660179
>If only there were other directories that the user has write access to!
it does not matter, users are right, if they fill their desktop folder with crap on macos and windows then it shuold be a mainline feature for any serious linux de that want to poach windows users.
not that gnome morons can understand this basic reasoning...

>>105660136 (OP)
>If you specifically need MICROSOFT Office (eg for collaboration) and don't want to use the browser version, then Linux is not for you.
That's my case. If we ever get Office 365 on Linux, I'm out.

Why stay 99% when you can take that final step...

>>105664319
The part which drives me bonkers with software is the constant breaking of the human interface contract. I am a cybernetic organism (no implants), I rely on my muscle and procedural memory to be efficient and just changing shit because "lol New Version!" is infuriating! Imagine if you will, the way your brain interfaces with your legs changed randomly every couple years and you have to partially relearn how to walk... THAT is why the Gnome maintainers roster should be treated as a public employment blacklist!

>>105660136 (OP)
SHUT THE FUCK UP TECHVEGAN

>>105660136 (OP)
For most people Linux is garbage and flatly inferior to Wincows.

>>105660136 (OP)
LInux is like 60% good, it just depends on if you're willing to deal with it's problems over microsoft's bullshit.
The upside is most of the problems you'll encounter are solvable in some way. Most normal people will never want to have to fix things though.

>>105666104
>>105666451
>>105666532
stop replying seriously to freetards
the only reply a freetard deserves is >>105665494

Uh oh, melty!

>>105663745
>paint.net
I used it in 2012 and thought it was complete dog shit. Also isn't FireAlpaca on Linux?

>>105663941
>linux shouldn't be catering to winblows boomers.
So it should cater to Macfaggots instead?

>>105660136 (OP)
Been using Linux since 2009 and KVM/QEMU takes care of the cases where I need some sort of windows only software.

>>105663745
you don't want something like paint.net, you want paint.net

lol i was going to try running it in wine but it has surprisingly high requirements. my old laptop has both too old a cpu and too old a gpu for this apparently simple paint program

>>105660136 (OP)
Most people (i.e. normies) who use a computer for personal use just use it to launch their web browser, or for gaming. For just browsing the internet, Linux works perfectly fine. Windows is still ahead of Linux when it comes to games due to support, drivers, etc. but Linux is rapidly catching up in that department. So for the personal use of the average person, Linux is already on par with Windows, maybe even better because of speed, privacy, and security but normalfags don't care about that (even though they should).

Desktop environments and window managers shouldn't be that big of a deal when it comes to getting more normalfags into Linux because on most distros changing the DE isn't hard, someone just needs to make normie-friendly tutorials or some script for getting a different desktop environment. Rather then getting into retarded flamewars over this shit whenever a normalfag asks for Linux recommendations we should just foster the approach of "change it whenever if you don't like it". Literally a non-issue.

On the other hand a bunch of commercial and educational shit still requires Windows which is one of the real hurdles for getting Linux to be used more. The PC user is going to stick to using whatever they learned to use at school and work and it's too much of a risk/investment for companies to switch over to Linux for everything and deal with the drop in productivity while everything gets set up for Linux and everyone is taught how to use it. If Bill Gates AKA Satan never came along then everyone would be using a Linux distro.

>>105660136 (OP)
>Complete nonsense
>Doesn't even mention the one thing that actually sucks about Linux
The support for usable CAD software is shit. I use FreeCAD on occasion, but it's just not there yet.
>>105662722
>10k lines of regressions
I'll take it back when Windows natively supports not needing to use NTFS for anything.
>>105666677
This. I don't see a reason to run Windows as anything other than a VM.
>>105668690
Normalfags will flock to anything with a mass media presence that raises the right flags (affluent, normal, enjoyed by other people). No one is going to deliberately use Linux that way in mass media, even Windows is living on borrowed time now that phoneshit represents most normalfag computing.

>>105660339
Hopefully, windows being shit is the only reason garbage like linux even has a potential to gain marketshare
>>105660561
trvke, the second you have to deal with command line trannyism (which wouldnt even be that bad if you didn't have completely esoteric commands and command options) you instantly turn off 99% of the population who want things to just work out of the box with no questions asked and dont want to read "documentation" (poor formatted and incomplete information dump) just to use their operating system
>>105662799
>kde
>bloated dogshit that you cant even easily uninstall the pre-installed bloatware
kek
>>105663745
the funniest thing is that paint dot net is like 300MB, its an amazing program that FOSStards just can't compete with, pinta is the closest thing and its a buggy mess
>>105663882
> People who refuse to use programs that aren't perfectly exact clones of the Windows-only apps they are used to,

no i think the issue is people refuse to use bloated dogshit that is slow to load, ugly with bad UX, and not as powerful
>>105666532
>he upside is most of the problems you'll encounter are solvable in some way
solvable through hours of hair pulling and after years being required to take the equivalent of multiple operating systems classes just to get basic functionality out of your PC
>>105668690
>For just browsing the internet, Linux works perfectly fine
There hasn't been a single distro that can 1. automatically detect my monitors refresh rate and set it to that, 2. completely turn off mouse acceleration and do it without going to the command line 3. let you uninstall the pre-shipped bloat easily

>>105660136 (OP)
>superior than
GTFO ESL

Does acdsee work in wine
That and winamp that's all I need

>>105660136 (OP)
cool

>>105667436
>>105668690
>>105669300
>>105670616
>jay niggirwin saves his flamewar troll thread from page 10 right on schedule

>>105660339
Yeah, but they're not going to.

>>105670616
>kde
>bloated dogshit that you cant even easily uninstall the pre-installed bloatware
wat

>>105670616
>completely turn off mouse acceleration and do it without going to the command line
KDE mouse settings.
>let you uninstall the pre-shipped bloat easily
Your package manager lets you remove literally anything. Now fuck off.

>>105670616
>GIMP may as well be photoshop, it's overkill
>the funniest thing is that paint dot net is like 300MB
i'm really confused here, is paint.net supposed to be leaner or not? because if it's 300M then it's twice as big as gimp, but gimp is overkill?

>>105660136 (OP)
>Linux is 99% good
my $150 dollars mouse that sync its leds to the audio output has no drivers for linux.

LTSC is for kiosks. Nobody at Microsoft ever intended it to be for end users.

>>105671934
>jay niggirwin saves his flamewar troll thread from page 10 right on schedule

>>105660136 (OP)
>FOSSfaggotry
Mint, MX, Ubuntu, PCLOS, UltraMarine, Nobara, Bazzite, Arch and many of its derivatives etc...

>Video editing
Davinci Resolve (native Linux builds), OpenShot, and AviDemux are great.

>Adobe stuff
Happy to never see their faces again.

>Certain games
Civilization 3-5 are all I need, and they run great with Proton / WINE.

>Contrarianism
Read manpages, docs, wikis, repo discussions, and bug trackers. Don't rely on strangers answering your questions. All the info you could possibly need is out there, and it's a lot easier to service most Linux distributions than it is to service Windows these days. If you're too dumb to do basic troubleshooting yourself, just suck it up and buy a Mac.

>>105672149
you can't silence us, troonix

>>105672303
Unciv is way better than "real" civ5

>>105660202
>all those people still holding onto OS X
Holy fucking based.

>>105673294
I don't think so, but I do like it, and it has definitely made a ton of progress over the past two years. I mainly play 3 for nostalgia (and stacks of death), 5 for the interesting game dynamics and comfy art, but nothing will ever beat 4 for me. I only play UnCiv when I'm stuck on the toilet because I forgot to pop a lactaid.

>>105672303
>Davinci Resolve (native Linux builds)
kek. Doesn't even work with h264 and don't get me started on installing it. And anything that doesn't support OFX is pointless.

>>105660179
>"not having an option to do something is le good because ebussy says so!"
Seek help