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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

First for the IBM Model F
https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/

Anyone know what standard size keycaps are? I saw this listing I’m not sure if they will fit Cherrys. There’s also no images of the bottom so the only thing I can go off if is the description “Size: Standard (Mechanical Keyboard)”

>>105660993
cmon when is mine arriving REEEEEEEE

>>105661426
Which model did you order and how long ago?

>>105661436
nah i'm just being a brat. ordered an f122 mid may so just have to keep waiting. someone on one of the previous threads said it was about a 2 month lead time.

>>105661648
Yep, that's how long it usually takes. You'll receive a tracking email and there will be another waiting period until it actually gets sent for shipping, since it's done in batches.

Hi /mkg/! Are frameless/bezelless barebones full-size keyboards a thing? I saw this pic for the Keychron V6 and are they saying it's possible remove the top case and still have a functional keyboard? I like being able to see my switches from the sides.

>>105662033
just get an integrated plate board. Drop makes some, Corsair makes em, idk who else. They shouldn't exist but they do

>>105662147
feels like that's gonna get me falling down a rabbit hole. thanks anon!

>>105661379
Unless otherwise specified, you can be 99.9% sure whatever keycaps you can buy are for MX.

I hate soldering kailh hotswap sockets
I fucked up the joints on like four of them and have had to redo it when the key stops working

nth for click leaves

>>105664934
did you remember to tip at checkout?

>>105665126
I'm the one that got a tip instead, in the form of a coffee crisp.

>>105664934
Why are ergo fags seemingly never able to sand their base?
You're already autistic enough to print your whole keyboard. At least make it look nice.

>>105665747
Layer lines don't bother me, sanding PLA or PETG is a pain in the ass, and there's no point in ruining the look of the filament when it already looks nice as is.

>>105665747
Sorry zogbot but I'm not spending 6 hours getting micro plastics everywhere just so it looks slightly more appealing to online strangers!

>>105666044
>sanding PLA or PETG is a pain in the ass
>>105666044
>6 hours
And I thought it was laziness.

rephrase my post to be normal english thank you gpt saar

>>105665747
You're vastly overestimating autism. 99% of ergofags just want clout for their sick hacker setup.

>>105666713
>99% of keyboardfags just want clout for their sick hacker setup.
FTFY

I don't give a fuck about how ugly it is or the sound it makes, as long as my hands are cozy. going the route of soldering your own ergo is already a trade in function over aesthetic.

Everyone who talks shit about ergo boards either never tried them or gave up after a week because they're retarded

>>105666898
Yep, that's me. I never tried them because they're retarded

>>105666914
Your 70 IQ nigger brain is showing

>>105660993
Wish he would make them in the US

>>105666820
>soldering your own ergo is already a trade in function over aesthetic
maybe if you solder like shit

why can't i buy the mx honeys yet?

>>105660993
Anyone know where I can get a reproduction IBM badge for one of these? I can't seem to find a good one online. I might need to just make it myself.

>>105667273
would probably blow out the cost even higher. fwiw, the originals were made in the us, scotland and mexico

>>105668146
etsy?
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1869345539/ibm-industrial-m-pc-logo-label-decal

>>105660962 (OP)
An actually usable thread, thank God.

Which keycap material tends to have the warped spacebars again?

>>105669404
PBT is more prone to it, but ABS isn't immune either. Both can be fixed with a hairdryer and some patience.

Is it normal for different rows of keys to sound different?

>>105669703
Yep. Even within a single row the keys won't sound exactly the same.

>>105669703
Yes, but better keyboards will have less of that.

>>105669734
What actual feature of "better" keyboards mitigate this?

>>105669822
build quality

Are mt3 keycaps patented or something? Why is there no chink brand making and selling them for a significantly cheaper price than what they usually go for?

>>105671115
Not popular? It's possible the chink brand of MT3 is not called MT3. They sometimes rebrand things specifically to avoid problems with patents.

How difficult is it to build a custom low-profile split-ortholinear backlit keyboard? 6x6 per side.

>>105669822
The design of the internals, placement of mounting points, etc

>>105669418
I remember Wooting had a video about fixing their keycaps warped spacebars by placing them in boiling water for a few seconds then holding them down against a flat surface until they cool off. Zero clue how well it works.

>package arrived at a local airport June 20
>Delivery June 30 - July 3
major downside of not spending the extra $30 for a gmk104 from the official site

>>105673494
Would also work, though you'd have to be careful to not heat it up too much.

>>105668410
Ill happily pay double price for it to be made in the US. $800 is about what is cost for the originals

>>105674434
The plastic model Fs were $900+ after adjusting for inflation. The cast zinc 4704s would've been considerably more than that.

>>105674464
Worth it

>>105674464
Still less than the $10k that one faggot posted one on eBay for

>>105671932
I'd say not at all, but it's a bit of "If you got to ask" you may have a steep time getting into kicad designing a board and then some more cad to design the rest of your housing. That said, best just buy a kit.

>>105674717
>$10k for a model F
Delusional. Even an original LISP space cadet board "only" sold for $9500 a while ago.

>>105674832
https://www.ebay.com/itm/176430088373

>>105674865
lol, lmao

>>105667273
The kind of supporting industries necessary to do this no longer exist

>>105675623
The closest thing is Unicomp, and their prices have almost fucking doubled over the past four years.

>>105675662
>and their prices have almost fucking doubled over the past four years.
Yeah because buying the already-existing tooling etc from a company that no longer wants it is very different from getting new tooling manufactured. The fact that their keyboards were ever cheap was an anomaly.

>>105675623
>The kind of supporting industries necessary to do this no longer exist
They do too, even in the US

want to thank the anon in the previous thread who helped me find a find a small keypad that I can program for dedicated media keys. I've only had it a day and I had improved my experience greatly. I listen to music while I'm gaming and being able to skip tracks, pause, and adjust the volume without having to fumble with the alt keys on my keyboard or alt tab out of the game is amazing.2
>I want to thank the anon in the previous thread who helped me find a find a small keypad that I can program for dedicated media keys. I've only had it a day and I had improved my experience greatly. I listen to music while I'm gaming and being able to skip tracks, pause, and adjust the volume without having to fumble with the alt keys on my keyboard or alt tab out of the game is amazing.

>>105660993
I have a model M sitting on a shelf behind me and its so lovely. I saw a stack of Model Fs in some warehouse i was working in a few years ago. If i only had to the balls to ask the maintenance dude if i could nab one. I just remember that it had some terminal cable that needed more work than I was prepared to take on at that time for me to get over the social anxiety to ask for something from a complete stranger...

wip of a skeletyl pair
it'll be handwired

first time building a kb, i'm hyped

>>105676206
Cute cat

>>105676212
he's a gentleman

>>105675756
This keyboard has a lot of potential indeed.

>>105674434
800 im assuming is 1980s prices? that's about 2500 bucks today
>>105674717
lamoa the sob story at the beginning
>Hello, hopefully this finds the right person. My wife and I just had a baby and my wife almost died during childbirth and then was hospitalized for some time. If you can send this eBay listing to any IBM executives that want to make a contribution please forward this to them. The price is reflective of IBM’s key dates 1924 and 1896.
no idea wtf the last sentence even means. but he's relisted it as an auction and the bids are currently at $510

>>105675798
fuck you missed out. even if modifying it was too much for you, you could easily get at least 200 bucks for each one. hell, that estimate itself i think is very underrated.

>>105674464
i think someone got things mixed up. looking it up, NPR says the originals would've cost 600 bucks in 2017, but then popular mechanics says that in 1981 they cost 600 bucks, which would be 2100 bucks today.
i wonder if these figures include the $100 per year service support contract...

I need a keyboard with all metal key caps that allow light through. My razer has the wasd in metal and I want all of the keys like that or similar. Also a full size keyboard. I still use numpad constantly.

>>105677628
https://kprepublic.com/products/teamwolf-stainless-steel-mx-keycap-109-metal-keycap-for-mechanical-keyboard-gaming-key-ansi-light-through-back-lit-1-75u-shift

What's the latest fad keyboard atm? Last keyboard I bought was the Keychron V1 brown switches. TKL preferred.

Also what are some cheap entry level keyboards to gift?

>>105675756
>N key

>>105660993
Ebay listing in a year and a half (spares & repairs)

>>105667360
>HHKB
Sorry for your loss

>>105678051
>TKL preferred.
Size is all the rage at the moment
>Also what are some cheap entry level keyboards to gift?
Akko

>>105678183
>Size is all the rage at the moment
But why

>>105678349
Why not?

About to order a cheap corne or lily58 kit just to try out the build process and see how I like it.

Good morning, gamers

>>105679162
Grotesque

>>105679162
What switches?

>>105679302
mx black lol, its always mx black

>>105679331
Huh, was expecting some flavor of geon switch in one of the boards, considering the tools.

>>105679346
Geon Blacks are inside my current build, they are zaku clone and last only 1 years of daily usage before multiple switches stop registering keypress or heavily chattering, they are made by tecsee btw

>>105679331
Vintage or newstock

>>105678469
Where to find keycaps like that?

>>105679411
SLK dessau is the closest modern equivalent that comes to mind.

>>105679411
Search for "Doys keycaps" on Aliepress

The new lofree flow 2 looks terrible lmao

>>105680680
I'm not surprised. The first one looked awful

>>105679162
>geon nanch screwdriver set
Easily my favourite keyboard-related item I've ever bought

Are there services out there that do custom controllers for vintage boards? I am too retarded for microcontrollers but I have one or two boards I would like to actually use beyond display pieces

Any reccs on a low profile? Tried out my friends custom one, and realized I type significantly better on them.

I'm torn between nuphy kick75 and the iqunix magi65

>>105660962 (OP)
My cherry silver switches (varmilo prebuilt) are starting to feel mushy and damp, what's something good to replace them with? I'd like a little bit more feedback than cherrys, but not super tactile like blues/browns. with low actuation and fast response like Silvers or something similar

>>105682478
>but not super tactile like blues/browns
"Super tactile"? Browns?

>>105682478
>My cherry silver switches are starting to feel mushy and damp
That's not normal

learning to prefer R3 control has ruined buying keycaps for me

this thread lacks foxes

>>105683902
No >>5005254

corne or ferris sweep? both low profile. I like how aggressive the staggering is on the ferris, but there are so few keys, which wouldnt even be a problem if there werent so few thumb keys

>>105665778
Not that anon, but that looks like shit.

>>105676245
>redundant keys

>>105660962 (OP)
My Corsair 70 Core RGB has this issue where it types some keys usually "s" or "h" up to 5 times on a single keypress. Really annoying especially on unix-like systems where you type your passwords alot without being able to see them. I already upgraded the firmware with iCUE on a spare Windows laptop, the software itself is terribly bloated and laggy and takes forever to install itself. Apparently they have a web-based firmware installer for other operating systems so I didn't have to go throught that, not sure if it works since on Edge on Windows it detected my laptop as a "mobile device" and I wasn't able to install iCUE before I installed Firefox. I wanted to change the switches to something more quiet like Kalih Box Pinks, Corsairs's reds aren't that good. Would that fix it? The only reason I bought these instead of some Chinese ones is because I wanted nordic keycaps and it was one of the only sub 100€ full layout boards with linear switches. It doesn't matter to me anymore since I realized I touch type but none of those Chinese ones come with good linear switches. I should still have warranty for this but I'm not sure if it covers that. Even if it does if it's an issue beyond the switches I'd have to deal with it later on. Are there any cheap full layout programmable boards with onboard memory on aliexpress prefferably out of the box with linear switches or if it's really cheap around 50-80€ I could buy switches seperately. Alice or other split layouts are fine too and preferable as long as they are full or nearly full layout maybe even ones without a numpad. I've been considering getting a programmable numpad and could live without it for a while.

How's Logitech's MX mechanical? Not expecting much, tired of RGB shit, and I want a keypad because it's tradition.

>want DCS BoW but the kitting doesn't support any layout I actually use
Every deviation from normie layout leads to pain

>>105686547
It's pretty annoying when some new set I like the look of comes out and there's no ergo kit, so I can't buy it. That mild annoyance isn't going to convince me to go back to row staggered boards though.

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE CHERRY MX HONEYS? I NEED THE HONEY!

>logitech tkl rapid

my endgame keyboard finally exists

>>105687134
I was about to ask the same but for the MX Falcons. I can't help but raise an eyebrow when they claim that the Falcons are meant to evoke the "crisp" feel of a typewriter, while being fucking tactiles (which is a niche Cherry hasn't especially done well in), but I definitely wanna see what they're like.

I feel like their new switches, at least their new "community inspired" MX switches, will turn out to be too little, too late; they'll never escape getting absolutely spanked by chink clones and spinoffs ever since the patent expiration floodgates opened (and in a twist of cosmic irony and humor, their manufacturing is about to become Chinese clones of themselves).

What's a good board with keys on it.

Also what's a good mouse these days? I'm liking my Deathadder V3 right now so I'm thinking about getting the wireless version next. Anything better I should look out for?

Preferably wireless, giant hands, palm grip.

could I get some recommendations, please?
>up to about $50–60
>US
>tactile
>ANSI
>full-size
>no backlight
>microsoft 600 keyboard

I'm gonna do it
I'm gonna buy Japanese keycaps

>>105688745
Which ones?

>>105688745
I have gmk fuji katakana, they are very nice

>spend entire morning 3d modeling choc switch plunger to make post travel go from 3 to 2mm
>open up a tactile choc robin v1 to test fit before doing it to my red linears
>what if i remove the tactile spring?
>tactile robins now feel exactly like linears
god damn did i get scammed into buying reds when i could of modded my tactile ones this whole time? what does the c shape metal part in linear reds do? i've tested stability on both of them and they make no difference.

My custom mechanical keyboard's keys started to ping and rattle again after a few months of modding with very expensive components. This feels like a trap designed to waste my money. I don't recommend buying custom mechanical keyboards unless you have a lot of time and money to waste. Stick with good stock keyboards. I'm done with them.

Also, does anyone have a list of keyboards with encrypted 2.4GHz connections? It seems like Keychron is the only one that does. My Keychron V5 Max had issues out of the box (shitty, rattly stabilizers, and the USB-C dongle doesn't work). Seriously, just buy a stock keyboard.

If I have no knowledge or experience in 3d modelling, how hard do you think it'd be to try and design a 3d printed tented case for my split board? Not going for anything special, just a simple angled case

>>105689558
>keys started to ping and rattle again after a few months of modding with very expensive components
If you mean the stabilizers, just add more lube.

>>105689558
>My Keychron V5 Max had issues out of the box (shitty, rattly stabilizers, and the USB-C dongle doesn't work). Seriously, just buy a stock keyboard.
The Keychron V5 Max is a stock keyboard.

You should have returned it when the dongle didn't work. (Assuming it's not due to firmware changes you made.) As for the stabs being shit, literally everyone knows this about Keychron, but we tolerate it because they are cheap.

Might buy the $3000 norbauer keyboard just to be done with cherry stabilizers forever

>>105688183
>up to $60 full-size with tactile switches
Doesn't exist as far as I'm aware. Keychron used to make one but it has been out of stock for a while. Maybe someone else can find one but I can't.

>>105687118
>and there's no ergo kit, so I can't buy it
All I need is R3 control and split rshift for hhkb fn, I can live without hhkb backspace... but even this minimal ask is beyond the pale for Signature Plastics

>>105689558
BTW, I bought the V5 Max because I wanted a lightweight keyboard. I don't understand the obsession behind heavy aluminum keyboards.

>>105691088
I didn't think about testing the USB-C dongle. I had already spent hours modding it when I discovered the piece of shit's USB-C dongle didn't fucking work. I had already bought and replaced the stabilizers (which required the whole keyboard to be disassembled) when I found out about the issue. Too late. I'm not getting another one. I've had enough of this broken crap.

>>105691110
>doesn't even have remappability
What a fucking joke, especially considering all their yammering about how it's an enthusiast and productivity-focused board.

battery on my keychron k4 v2 got fucked, i replaced it but it doesnt want to charge.... so i need a new kb recommendation. It has red switches

>Budget 100-150e
>Location europe
>Preferred switch type gateron red (i like the sound)
>Layout does it matter if i can just change the keycaps.
>Form factor 96% (need the numpad)
>Backlight would be nice yes
>Previous/current keyboards Keychron k4 v2
I would also like for it to be wireless

>>105691993
>doesn't even have remappability
It's Norbauer's personal vision, not your custom DIY project. IMO he should have glued the keycaps, too.

>>105691997
>Layout does it matter if i can just change the keycaps.
ISO vs ANSI does matter, but specifically ISO-FR vs ISO-DE etc does not

Does anybody know a good low profile alice keyboard ? Not keychron ones, I alreay have a K15 max

groupbuy drought

>one of my clickiez randomly go linear
>think its just the click jacket going out of place
>take switch apart
>click jacket broke in half
>have 0 spares
very cool zeal

>>105695566
Never heard of a click leaf breaking before, pretty fucked up. Email zeal and see if he'll send a replacement.

>>105660962 (OP)
I'm retarded and only ever bought Logishit and Razer but what's the appeal of a mechanical keyboard without the numpad? Seems dumb to me. I use my numpad constantly.

>>105695739
mainly for gaming so your arms are closer to your sides for better ergonomics, or tight real estate. for me though i like the numpad.

>>105684367
corne imo
3x6, I wouldn't recommend any fewer keys

PBS keycaps restock tomorrow

>>105698023
>Always Become Shiny

>>105695566
And they charge, what, a buck-ten per goddamn switch?

Aye, locust here. Any recs?
>$60 at most, lower is preferable
>USA with Amazon only because shipping
>Tactile
>ANSI QWERTY, you know the drill
>TKL/80%, but 65% or 75% is acceptable
>Per-key RGB slop!!!
Will be buying within a couple days hopefully

Why yes, I do always get boring WOB keycaps on a boring black case

>>105689665
Not too difficult id you are using something like fusion360 which is fairly intuitive and tenting is a simple project to nail down. I reccomend getting some cheap calipers though so you can take measurements of your split and make rough approximates of what sizes some of the parts of the tenting you need to be. Don't be afraid to print out drafts either so you can compare them to your split and then make revisions to measurements or shapes for the design.

>>105693375
>actually buying groupbuys

>>105695184
Classic

>>105689558
Hello, it's me, the V5 Max anon. Does anyone have any experience with owning a BoW (black-on-white) or all-white PBT keycap set? I want to build a white keyboard, but I'm afraid the keycaps will stain or yellow over time and end up looking disgusting. They look so clean and pure, but I'm not sure that look will last. Thank you.

>>105700662
They get dirty very easily, that's all I know. You're probably right that it doesn't last forever, even with PBT, but idk how long we're talking.

If a $30-50 dye sub set yellows a little over time, though, it wouldn't be anything to get upset about. It's only when I imagine shelling out for >$100 double-shot that I feel otherwise

>>105699135
plus tip

Can someone quickly redpill me on 60% hhkb layout because I kinda want a neo60 cu but I've never given up nav before, and the only time I ever tried HHKB backspace I hated it

Only having to do three stabs though...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj9Na_cwUrU

>>105702300
Spending 100+ for a 60% is not worth the money. Doubly so for the luxury of having a slightly different layout.

>>105702833
Shut up poorfag, fuck off

>>105703118
>having common sense to not to be ripped off is being a poorfag
lmao

>>105703819
I don't want the poorfag perspective, sorry. I know you think it's "just common sense", but it's not.

If someone is blatantly upcharging for nothing, that's always relevant. But your subjective judgment that paying an appropriate price for machined brass is "being ripped off" because, in your opinion, nobody needs it: that reeks of poverty.

>>105704289
>I don't want the poorfag perspective, sorry
>If someone is blatantly upcharging for nothing, that's always relevant
>But your subjective judgment that paying an appropriate price for machined brass is "being ripped off" because, in your opinion, nobody needs it: that reeks of poverty
I never said that about the brass lmao
But if you want to go there you can get CNC 60% for less than that on shit like aliexpress. You are being upcharged. Simple as. Besides I don't think you want to really be throwing stones around on who the poor fag is here. Poorfags like you buy into gimmicks like this >>105702300 and then get sensitive when asking for a redpill an anon gives you an informed perspective.

>>105704483
>and an anon*

>>105704483
>gimmicks
What gimmick?

>>105689665
I just modeled a keyboard in solidworks with 0 cad experience a couple of weeks ago, it's not hard. If it's a PCB mounted grid I'd guess maybe an hour's worth of work if you have no idea what you're doing.

>>105704544
An anodised 60% with a hhkb layout with ''micro-glitter'' and ''Dusk features''.

>>105704577
>anodized with glitter
the anodized options don't have glitter. You're describing finishes as gimmicks? Seriously? I thought you had something better planned desu this is weak

>>105704910
I was listing out the options faggot. Are you really this dense? Never ask for a redpill again if you are going to act up to this level of retardation

Thoughts on the keychron q6 HE?
I was looking at the q6 max but for 15$ more i can get the hall effect version.
Hall effect switches seem to be the new hot shit. Is it a meme?

>>105705134
I would just go for a standard Q6 personally, but if you are deadset on the MAX for wireless you won't be too blown away by the HE in terms of feel or perfomance. But if you are already paying that much for the MAX an extra $15 is not too egregious either at the point. If your not bothered by them don't go for it but if you feel like you want to play it safe do the extra $15

>>105705213
I pulled the trigger on the HE. Hope i dont regret it.
The standard q6 (pro) is only 40$ cheaper than the HE so why not HE i guess.
I dont plan on swapping key switches but im aware of that limitation.
I do wish they offered the q6 HE with the black side print keycaps though. Those look sexy.

Anybody know where i can find a good keycap set for it that isnt keychrons $70 set?

>>105705019
>I was listing out the options faggot.
>An anodised 60% with a hhkb layout with ''micro-glitter''

>>105689665
>>105699750
>>105704571
I've been spending some time learning blender and modifying an already-existing STL of the case to make it have a tilt. Kinda fun desu, wasn't as hard as I thought, but holy FUCK non-manifold edges are annoying as fuck to deal with. Maybe I'm retarded, but this is definitely taking much more than an hour, spent like 7 hours on it the other day and I think I'm just halfway

>>105700662
PBT doesn't yellow nearly as easily as ABS. A lot of vintage boards with PBT caps still look basically brand new while their cases are yellowed instead. Are you planning on just cooking it in the sun all day or something?

>>105706257
PBT basically doesn't yellow at all.

How bad are Corsair OPX?

recommendations for choc switches? I tried linear reds, but absolutely hated them, I'm wondering if there are any tactile or clickies I should try

>>105706287
I would rather get some non-branded speed linears like speed silver clones. Heard decent things about raptors too.

>>105707120
Try robins. They are meant to be quite good clickies.

>>105698023
Hot

Can I put a different PCB in a keychron q6 max case? Or do I need to scrap the whole thing?

>>105708628
What happened anon

>>105682175
Bumpin' attention to this

>here's your new high end beamspring bro

>>105708764
hmm looks like round 2 is already out

>>105709148
The fact he has to clarify round 2 will require "less time" is funny to me. Even with quality control he can't get them fully functional without the buyer fixing/troubleshooting their own board or any gurantee of longterm longevity.

>>105709179
as much as i disagree with his shitty business practices, i'd imagine if he were to provide even a fraction of the amount of support that IBM had for their keyboards, the costs would be at least double. there's a reason they're so cheap compared to the originals

>>105709202
>i'd imagine if he were to provide even a fraction of the amount of support that IBM had for their keyboards, the costs would be at least double.
They probably would be. Honestly though even if they were double the price I think people would still be willing to buy them as they would still be cheaper than good condition original beamsprings, or at least I would buy them at double for the gurantee in quality. The B122 is pretty cool but spending that much for it and there is a possibility that in 10 years it will brick while an original beam can still function after decades just doesn't really compute to me. I don't know about the round 2s but I remember with the round 1s they weren't even the original beamspring key module designs and they could break if you applied uneven force on the downstroke ontop of feeling different to type on.

>>105706257
>>105706273
>>105700915
Thank you

>>105709269
>Honestly though even if they were double the price I think people would still be willing to buy them as they would still be cheaper than good condition original beamsprings, or at least I would buy them at double for the gurantee in quality
i watched his video where he got invited to talk to google, i think he said that when he first asked how many people were interested in the project, only about 40% of those people actually went ahead and bought his first keyboards. it's a huge risk and coupled with the fact that he lost at least five figures from a factory or factories either fucking up the order, or trying to commit fraud, or maybe both - i forgot the specifics but i think he somehow managed to get it back, which is INCREDIBLE fortune given that he is a foreigner dealing with the chink legal system and from what i've heard with other people who've had to go through their legal system, this sort of thing is rarer than unicorn dust - i'm not surprised he'd be super cautious about overextending himself and offering a warranty that might end up costing him more than what he actually has.
if anything, while i still do not like how he does shit like "hurry! get this before the end of <insert current month here>!!" watching his video really just drives home just how much money and resources IBM had to be able to do all of what he's doing with three factories in three different countries, all the while providing continuous support for these things for years and years. And also...he's quite literally the only person remaking the model f and beam spring boards, if someone wants that badly, they don't have much choice.

>>105667360
>HHKB and realforce mouse
Very nice. I have my Heavy9/FC980C at home, HHKB BT for travel, and Realforce R2 PFU at the office. No other switch as good. Its essentially a medical device with how often and hard I type.

>>105709942
It's an admirable start up story, and yes you do have point about how there is not many people who would be able to do what he has done. But I still don't really see how it justifies the build quality of his product. It is kind of like if someone from /ck/ wanted to start serving koba steak in a mini restraunt and he is able to buy the land, get the farmhands, the aggricultural tools, livestock and feed to raise cows for koba style meat. But then when he serves the koba it is raw and there is a waiver for the person to sign so liability can be mitigated if they contract tapeworm. It is impressive that the guy was able to start up his own farm and buisness to serve the meat but that all kind of blows away when the product is less than useable. As far as I am aware the only real reason why no one has done their own is because of the beamspring mechanism requiring specialist manufacturing for the steel leaves, everything else can be recreated without too much complexity besides obvious cost to scale if they are trying to sell a bunch.

>>105710710
>food analogy
sir, this is not a restaurant, don't try to eat the keyboard
just buy one of the keyboards yourself, new orders have been pretty good, just wiggle them a little if they don't work and it'll be fine, it doesn't take as much effort as you think to troubleshoot a problem
this is a one man operation, the quality that you get for the price of these keyboards is phenomenal in my opinion

Just fixed 2 doa switches, feel great

>>105709942
>when he first asked how many people were interested in the project, only about 40% of those people actually went ahead and bought his first keyboards
That's pretty normal for an IC

>>105708649
Keys repeat, even if I set it to 30ms, even tried exchanging it, it's just the brand I guess.

>>105660962 (OP)
anyone got a flux yet? thinkin about preordering

after 24hrs with speed linear keys I can tell for sure that the people saying that you can easily actuate these by just resting the hands on top of the keyboard are either trolling or have the heaviest hands know to man.
I still think I prefer tactile switches but even with 1mm actuation I can't for the life of me envision a situation where I would accidentally press any of these keys

>>105714455
Depends what you were using before (tactile enjoyers develop a habit of resting with their fingers pressing into the keys a little) and what spring weight you've got in your new keys.

>>105714536
>tactile enjoyers develop a habit of resting with their fingers pressing into the keys a little
I guess despite using Browns for nearly a decade I didn't develop that habit

>>105714582
Hmm, I guess you and I are just different because after a decade with browns I did develop that habit. What's the weight on your new switches?

>>105714621
They are Corsair OPX so I guess 45g?

>>105714664
Surprising. My brother had problems with accidental keystrokes just switching from 60g cherry reds to lighter 45g linears, no change in actuation depth. If there's no problem for you then there's no problem.

>>105714700
(Also, when I say he had problems, I only mean for the first couple of days)

>>105710710
you do have a point, but i've also heard from others that bought his model fs that the keyboards he sells now are far better than the initial ones which is kind of unsurprising given that ones that are ordered now have almost 10 years of improvements and knowledge behind them now.

>>105714700
>>105714712
I do notice the change in depth more than the actual weight to be honest. But I'm slowly getting used to it. Also I would always bottom out when typing or gaming with my previous keyboard too and was surprised by the fact that apparently some people don't do that.

>>105710421
What case is that?

>>105714389
Your best bet is to learn QMK and wire up the switches out terminal to terminal to form a matrix and then connect them to an arduino flashed with QMK. Remove the switches from the pcb and keep them housed in the frame near the gasket with the diodes and wires underneath. If you can't solder practice wire wrapping with 30awg wire and diodes with a 30 wire wrapper ((you can find them on a lot of websites) alternatively you can pay more and get 24awg wire wrapper and wire). Also contact Keychron customer services just in case if a replacement pcb board can be sourced.

>>105706061
Pics?

>>105682175
Bumpin' mumpin'

>>105715118
If it happens with multiple instances of the keyboard it's gonna happen with a replacement pcb from them, that's why I wondered about different brands.

Have you ever had a Kailh Choc keycap break off in the switch itself? I was going to buy new keycaps, but now I think I might need a new switch too. The top won't stay back on.

>>105715158
No. Learn to handwire or fabricate your own pcb.

Are there any alu keyboards with anime Backplate engraving?

Brass-bottomed Neo60cu in ano red HHKB with the GMK McDonald's keycaps ("GMK CYL Cluck")... yes or no?

>>105717933
If you manage a McDonald's: great idea, go for it
If you are just an enthusiastic customer: no

Sho SRX looks divine

Is there a thin lube equivalent to 105g0 I can find at my local supermarket or hardware store

>>105717135
But I want to keep the keyboard as close to original condition I can.

Hello /mkg/. I'm looking for a new kb, but I'm unable to find what I want. I turn to you guys in hopes to get me some recs.

>Budget
Up to €150
>Location (continent at least)
Spain
>Preferred switch type
Anything silent, but not to silent (Not blue, tho)
>Layout
I guess ISO (whichever has the letter ñ)
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
Retroiluminated, but as long as it doesn't have this ga(y)ming rgb nonsense, I'm good
>Previous/current keyboards
Easterntimes Tech I-850.

This little shit saved my sorry ass again
>what dis
permatex dielectric grease in a little syringe so you can just plug the tip in and coom into your stabilizer stem so you can fix them without desoldering it or sometime you just want to refill the grease after a long while

>budget
~200
>location
yurop
>switch
No idea. Been uing mx browns for ages.
>layout
ANSI
>form factor
Tricky. Not full size, but I want a numpad.
>backlight
Yes, with no need for special features.
>current keyboard
I've had the CM Storm Quickfire TK with browns for ages and need a replacement. It doesn't need software. I don't need wireless. Backlight is simple white. Compact layout with a numpad. F1 key is above the #2 key which is a must.

I'm struggling to find a non-chinese keyboard with these specifics, or at least one that doesn't need me to install bloatware. Was looking at the Akko Black & Gold 5098B. Has a great layout despite the ugly colors, but I can't find any proof that I can use it without their software, and I don't want to be stuck with the rainbow lights.

Also looking at a Keychron Q5 HE QMK on sale. No idea about the "gateron double-rail magnetic nebula" switches. They sound kinda stupid but if they feel good I can get used to it. As for their software, I think it's web based, so maybe I csn set it up once and never worry again? Faces on the keycaps are kinda small but maybe it's not that bad.

Any alternatives I'm not aware of or should I yolo buy the keychron? Not sure how legit they are and how good these magnetic switches are.

>>105722123
I need one of them syringes, trying to do this with the superlube tube is awkward

OK the McDonald's thing maybe was a bad idea, how about this instead:

Neo60cu, brass, ano black hhkb top. GMK gold-on-black. No accents. Extension kit for stepped ctrl.

>>105725911
Gold (or yellow) + black is a good combo.

>>105725937
idk something about that particular black/gold combo on the GMK set makes me think of, like, Andrew Tate

>>105725963
Can't say I relate, I try not to care about unhinged grifters.

GMK Tate

>>105725911
Having that amount of black and brass/gold screams persian or arabian nouveau riche to me. Personally I would change out the keycap set for a slate grey or navy theme or go for some smokey clears to show a tint of the inner brass that is not obscured by the pcb/plate.

>>105715047
What do you mean, the case holding the HHKB? Some Van Nuys case.
Case for the keyboard on the bottom? Heavy-9 from Norbauer.

Any keyboard that requires you to use the numpad as nav but doesn't give you any kind of indicator LED for numlock is fucking stupid

And I own one. Fuck me

>>105729569
it's at least better than layertranny boards that demand another key for basic fucking nav

>>105729607
A two-key combination that always works is superior to a key that maybe works but I'm not sure until I press it.

what are the choc equivalent of o-rings called? I vaguely remember someone discussing them, but can't find them

>>105729911
It's just o-rings. Though with silent switches o-rings are deprecated.

>>105722995
Not aware of much at that price point in that layout in Europe. I guess there's the Aula, worth a look since it's much cheaper for similar feature set, but I don't think it has a switch option similar to browns.

>>105729931
there might be multiple kinds but the specific kind I'm thinking of weren't o-rings. They were rectangles with inserts for the 2 tabs that come out of the keycaps

>>105722000
>retroilluminated sub-€150 ISO 100% mechanical keyboard
doesn't exist

>>105729961
Beats me then, haven't seen those before.

>>105722000
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004323545511.html

Pick the Spanish layout option.

Buyer beware. I am not "recommending" this, and I expect it will look and feel pretty cheap. But it does answer to your requirements. Just configure the RGB to be a solid color.

"Brown switch" will probably not be quiet on a board like this, but quieter than blues.

Feels good to be back in the triple-digit club just now. Feels like I'm properly a ten finger guy now. All because I felt self-conscious about how retarded I looked whenever I recorded myself typing on my kool keyboards.

Not sure how I'm going to catch up to 20 years experience typing random sequences like ?=( 99a /<0*___ though. Throw some numbers and symbols into anything and I slow way down. IDK what to practice to get better at that.

90% of mechanical keyboards is just doing this and waiting for better products to appear on the market

>>105731031
>is just doing this
Doing what? What are you trying to illustrate here?

>misunderstood again

>>105731031
Yea generally keyboards do sit on computer desks.

>>105731031
>a mechanical keyboard is used for...typing
SAY IT AIN'T SO

>>105731081
>>105731095
>>105731101
meticulously combing through internet ephemera—webstores, geekhack ICs, etc., loading up on rapidly-depreciating knowledge, practicing all this as a kind of expression of one's neuroses and not because it is actually practical for buying keyboards, accomplishing nothing

>>105731122
Wouldn't know what that's like, I've just been using the board I build for myself for years now.

>>105731133
Oh wow!! Good for you!!! That's so great!!! based!!

>>105731146
You too can achieve keyboard satori anon, I believe in you.

>>105731149
—working on it rn, I think I've finally found the GMK set that meets my aesthetic standards————ah, not the right kitting, needed a windowed numlock, so close!—

How would I calculate or approximate measurements of an object from just an image? I want to model the case of pic rel but I don't have the exact measurements on hand to design it in cad.

>>105731453
Standard keycap spacing is 19.05mm or 3/4". Best you can do is extrapolate from that to the rest of the case. Or just try and find actual measurements of the 5382.

>>105731122
too many big words, i've already ordered my keyboard and will likely never buy another

>>105731122
You could have made the pic more hyperbolic to better illustrate that. Like a pile of keyboards on the desk or in the room

Get f1-8x v2 if you can, and you are basically done with keyboard that feel great and looks great for life, only for linear of course because mx tactile sucks FAT ass

>>105730280
I'm ok with this, esl btw

I accidentally plugged out TRRS cable from the split keyboard (lily58 with Liatris controller) and apparently burned a pin. If I connect usb to the left part, the right part doesn’t connect (even though the power LED is on), and if I connect usb to the right part, they see each other, but keys are sent with major delays.

Would it be easier to order a new controller, or the situation is salvageable? I know how to solder, but that’s basically it.

>>105731765
>look it up
>$400 for a generic tkl
No thanks

>>105731814
>apparently burned a pin
Check if it's the only thing you burned first

>>105731817
You don't want a flashy design that will be boring in a year or less, all you want is for it to feel and sound good, and F1 is just that

>>105731857
Alright. Sell me why I should go for an f1 over a model f at that price point?

>>105731831
NTA but the only things that should be going through the TRRS cable are power, ground, and the TX pin between the two controllers. Replacing the fucked controller will probably solve the issue.

should i buy tx stabs

>>105731969
No, I've sand down some tx stab because some of their stems are too long, just buy cheap cherry clip-ins instead

>>105731969
Why the fuck did you include this image?

>>105731973
i doubt i can TUNE them like you do
plus i'd have to spend $10 on some fucking grease shit
>>105731988
ToT

>>105731969
uoh

>>105731991
if you are lazy and rich then buy typeplus or knight v3

>>105732052
i'm the opposite of rich

>>105732062
Get out of this thread

>>105732464
dont worry my keyboard is probably like $150 in

>>105732062
Then buy cheap cherry clip-ins, just like me... buy a little bit of grease won't hurt you and a long run too because you will need them eventually

>>105731122
This is why I'm comfortable sticking with my Model F as my primary and can confidently declare it as my endgame board. Only thing I'd ever want to change is the keycaps, if Unicomp or Ellipse ever get around to selling pad-printed or lasered black keycaps (no way in hell would either ever spring for reverse dye-subs).

I mostly check in on these threads to see if we'll ever get an MX-mount switch that feels like Alps Blue or Orange. That's the only way I'd go back to MX boards.

Spent the past 3hours or so cleaning my peripherals up.

>lost all the icons I had for the loupedeck in an ssd dying and forgot to export the profile when reinstalling win11 ages ago

It hurt so much I haven't bothered setting it up again.

>Budget
£150 max
>Location (continent at least)
UK
>Preferred switch type
mx brown-like, happy to try gaterons or whatever, i just like the brown tactility and ~55cn activation
>Layout
iso-uk
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
don't care
>Previous/current keyboards
wasd v1 mx brown
first gen razerblackwidow
>QMK
would be nice if the board is £100 or more

looking on amazon and the best deal i can find is a keychron k10 pro (banana switch) for £85. i'm guessing there's not gonna be anything better at this price

>>105731988
Have you heard of this site called reddit? People won't post those types of images there.

>>105735055
>brings up r*ddit out of nowhere
See >>105732464

>Budget
~$250
>Location
USA
>Preferred switch type
Definitely something linear, otherwise unsure
>Layout
No preference
>Form factor
65% or 75%
>Backlight
No
>Previous/current keyboards
Just cheap garbage from officemax and amazon, we had a very old Apple one when I was a kid that I really liked though

>>105729937
Damn bro I don't wanna be an asshole but of course I'd have to get either no replies or a delayed one. This one is clearly better than the Keychron, but I waited for some hours and ordered the Keychron already. The only saving grace is if Alua's sofrware is a literal virus. Not sure about key feel, but it's a cheaper keyboard with better aesthetics and keycaps at least.

>>105734395
>Only thing I'd ever want to change is the keycaps
Your best bet is 3D printing them. Make a blank keycap or take an stl file of one in the style you want and make it fit over the stem. Then you make it so there is a recess for whatever letter you want and once printed you can smush in 2 part epoxy putty to fill it in as a diy double shot (or triple shot if you add powder dye to a different batch of epoxy putty).

>>105735528
>65%
https://divinikey.com/collections/qwertykeys-neo65-cu-keyboard-and-accessories/products/qwertykeys-neo65-cu-keyboard
Brass bottom, brass weight, you're not gonna do better than that. Get a plate and a hotswap PCB if you want to keep things easy for yourself. PP if you want soft/flexy/deep and aluminum if you want a more rigid and classic sound/feel. Solder PCB can save you a little money if you have soldering equipment laying around.
$215-$225

https://divinikey.com/collections/linear-switches/products/aeboards-blaeck-linear-switches
linears which had a defect that caused them to break when opened for lubing, which you won't be doing, so you can just save money. 4 sets of 18 will give you enough switches for just $12

https://divinikey.com/collections/jc-studio-keycaps/products/jc-studio-cherry-color-keycap-set-dye-sub-pbt
good dye-sub caps, $30

total price $267 and qualifies for free shipping, I think. Not sure if 'pre-order' with in-stock items changes that, but you can go to checkout and see if the price changes. This board won't ship right away but QK/Neo is pretty quick, you'll only be waiting a few months.

>>105734787
Banana switches tend to double-type. I'd go browns.

https://www.keychron.uk/products/keychron-v6-max-qmk-wireless-custom-mechanical-keyboard-iso-layout-collection?variant=46132508688554

Keychron's UK website has the V6 max in ISO-UK with jupiter browns.

>>105716401
It snapped off in the switch it looks like. I think I can replace the switch though and also buy a new keycap. Just one switch and keycap will probably cost me almost $15-20 with shipping though. Fortunately, its on a key I don't use much (z).

How the fuck do people enjoy choc linears? MX linears aren't that bad, but chocs feel like nothing, might as well use a touchpad keyboard

>>105737671
I don't know where the choc lovers keep coming from but every fucking thread we get 10+ questions about those stupid switches

How the fuck do people enjoy choc linears? MX linears aren't that bad, but chocs feel like nothing, might as well use a touchpad keyboard

>>105737350
>>105737798
It's mostly people falling for the clearance or height profile meme. They think if they can minimise the height profile it will be way better than standard MX profile or they can larp having a mechanical thinkpad

>>105696309
i really wanted to like 3x5 but i just can't use them. i can see some utility for a super-optimized data entry setup but for general use... yeah, 3x6 i think is the absolute bare minimum. literally nothing wasted on the base layer. without those extra 6 keys, you're doing tapdances or dialling in holds on keys with consistent main uses.

corne/silakka54 from aliexpress, bring my own keycaps and switches.
good or retarded?

>>105739646
Did they really make a Mankind Divided keyboard?

>>105739802
Apparently razer did, yea.

Cop or not? $120

>>105735571
I don't know that it's better than the Keychron, the Keychron is a respectable offering.

I've got an old Glorious PRO 75% I'm thinking of selling. The only thing is I'm not sure if there's an issue with it randomly not registering certain keypresses or duplicating them, when typing quickly. . I've swapped switches before but its not always the same keys or anything consistent - some anon said basically to try it on another PC when I get it built because it may be more of USB fuckery than any actual problem with the keeb itself. Assuming I can to the best of my knowledge find its working, is it best to try and sell this on some plebbit mech community or is it common enough its better to go in general hardware sales or the like?

>>105740973
What switches?

>>105741165
Depends. You're likely not going to score too much compared to other boards but if it is fully functional you can still probably sell it for around or below $90-$100. In bongland the cheapest going rate for opened but unused is £70 which roughly converts over to $90. If there is a fault you're looking at a lot less than that, but honestly if it is only present at high words per minute I don't think it would be too much of a problem and I doubt most buyers would be typing fast enough anyway (assuming we are talking about a ballpark of 50+ wpm)

>>105741242
Ahh that's just the barebones - mine actually is fully built out with caps (Aura V2 PBT pudding) and switches (Glorious Panda , lubed) as well. I even have some accessories like a the brass plate (new in box never used) and the official case for it..

>>105741165
What switches? Most of meme Switch's leafs are very weak to oxidation on the contact points and rendered useless in just a few years. If you want to fix them, you can remove the leafs from those switches and sand them a little on the contact points
That's what I've learned for years of being a form switch chaser, it's sucks and now I'm 100% cherry purist just because of that

>>105741944
The truth about MX is that no matter how hard clones try to be better or different, the Cherry range will always be the default standard

>>105742357
brand name will always win even when being the shittiest on the market

>>105742481
>brand name will always win even when being the shittiest on the market
Absolutely. After all we know the real patrician's choice is Alps!

Have been thinking about getting a UHK, mostly for the split, partly for software customization. I like the appeal of mouse input via keypresses - I've tried mouse input on my Q1, but it isn't that great. Is it any better on the UHK?
One concern with the UHK is the standard stagger. If I want split, should I go ortho too? What about a Lily58? I don't really want to solder anything, and I don't really want a 3D-printed case. Are there any good kits / prebuilt versions I can get in the UK?

>>105731031
I wish I could do that but its 11 months and I am still waiting for my group buy that I ordered in july 2024. I have been told its been shipped 4 weeks ago but so far nothing. Its always fascinating how things get shipped out after 10+ months the very moment you ask whats going on with the delivery time.

>>105742575
Using mouse via key presses is really meh, I tried it but didn't like it, found it fatiguing and generally annoying. Imo row (standard) stagger on split boards are really stupid, I have no idea why something as expensive as the UHK has it, you really want ortholinear/column stagger so it conforms much more to your fingers and their different lengths. I would recommend something like the lily58 or corne instead, they will have a steeper learning curve but you'll have a much better experience in the long term.
How important is software? If you get a lily58 you'll be using QMK, which is really customizable but takes some learning. If you want an already soldered board, I know holykeebs and keebd have options for a pre-soldered lily58, with the former actually offering the option for a mouse input device on the board itself

>>105742581
>>105743094
I never knew you could do a mouse movement control scheme on a keyboard. Is it useble for browsing or does it just kinda suck across the board?

>>105743438
Whoops, meant for >>105742575 kek

>>105743299
Revolting

>>105743094
>How important is software?
I found that I couldn't do some things with VIA on my Q1 that you can do with the UHK software. Though I can't remember what specifically. Possibly more complex macros and something else?
Thanks for those suggestions. The Lily58 seems like the most appealing so far. A 6x4 seems more accessible than anything with fewer keys.

>>105743438
I only tried it a couple of times on my Q1, but it didn't feel great. The movement was far too quick and imprecise. My ideal usecase would be that I use keyboard most of the time and only use mouse input with keys when absolutely necessary (i.e. no mouse at all). A mini trackpad on the keyboard might just be better though.

>>105741059
Better for me in the sense that's it's cheaper while having the same featurea I need while alao having better keycaps (I don't like these small face ones). I think I can replace the caps on the Keychron, despite it having these switches? Still an extra cost though.

TP-30 is such a good tool

>>105737188
Wow, thanks anon. I just assumed they're like browns.

>>105744163
Yay

>>105744163
>>105745534
What are you doing anon? I just realized I might be stupid for ordering a Keychron considering I can solder. Is this a DIY project? Did I take an L by not doing a DIY keyboard myself?

>>105738191
Yeah I don't see the appeal. At 3x6 every key is at 1u distance, so I don't see what 3x5 buys you other than minimalism

>>105741172
It's a Cherry G80. Red, brown or black.

>>105744163
chuckling at the fact that I have both of those hakko items and the engineer solder sucker... I might as well get the TP-30 too if we are in fact the same guy

where do I buy

Still angry at myself that I didn't buy this one. Or a W1-AT when I had the chance.

what's similar to the banana/mint switch from keychron?

>>105750044
>yo dawg I herd u like bezels

Looks like we have a streak started... black caps on yellow keyboards only until someone fucks up

>>105725937
this is great

progress on a handwired skeletyl
right side is done, baby

>>105750855
The fuzzy skin on the case looks pretty cool to be honest.

>>105750861
hell yeah, i liked it too. also has a nice feeling to the touch

check
>>105676206

tried hall effect for a bit, dont like it while still mildly silent than my mechanical keyboard I just returned it and picked up a newer mechanical one with some silent switches

>>105750053
You've seen nothin' yet >>105678469

>>105751006
Yeah they are kinda sucky

I think I have a broken switch, I have to press the key very hard for the input to register (but it does consistently register when I do). Would it be possible to repair the switch or is it beyond repair? I have a shitty soldered board

>>105751573
https://youtu.be/7HYXsZqpHrg

>>105751642