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Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

>>105664965 (OP)
>Still not a single E16 Gen3 or E14 Gen7 review on YouTube
What the fuck are they all doing? It's been months since they were released and all I see is nothing.

Framework won.

Thoughts on the T14 Gen5? Could this replace the T480 once the price goes down, as the RAM is not soldered anymore and the Intel CPUs are actually decent?

grim

I don't know the timeline for this stuff
>>105657709

>>105665552
yeah like we're fuckin lenovo marketing employees and just know when things are going to change in price

some nigger stole my t430 trackpoint, is this one compatible?

>>105665571
Shortly after this comes out in your country
https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadl/lenovo-thinkpad-l13-2-in-1-gen-6-13-inch-intel-laptop/21r7cto1wwau2
Lenovo isn't selling it in the US yet

>>105665671
meant for >>105665552
There isn't a 100% consistent time of the year for it

the corners of my thinkpad have worn down to the metal, Is there anything i could use to recoat them in anything? I keep getting small shocks when im charging or have it docked.

Are modern thinkpads any good? My Dell Inspiron is dying after only like 2 years

>go on r/thinkpad
>it's just people posting their shitty 6 year old machines and saying "look- a laptop! amazing!"

Cheapest 2 in 1 with a Ryzen 5 5600U or better?

>>105666206
I don't think they make any 2 in 1 ryzen thinkpads desu

>>105666206
>>105666462
But some Anon wanted to swap a Ryzen mobo into his Intel 2 in 1 x13

>>105664965 (OP)
>high quality plastic body panels

SAAAAAAARRRRRRR

>>105666051
There's a reason why SEAmonkeys show up here. They are dirt cheap.
Still, they could just buy bottom of the barrel $250 dollars ideapad and get twice the performance.

>>105665064
Not really imo. It's a downgrade in most non-performance aspects. 16:10 is nice, better trackpoint precision is nice, but it ends there. No second SSD, soldered wifi, no SD card slot, absolute minimal key travel, and the whole thing is built flimsier than the T480 which was already too weak for my tastes.

I'm hoping the Chinese aftermarket motherboard people eventually make one for the T440p chassis.

>>105665584
Yes, it's 0.5 mm thinner but you won't notice.

>>105665064
i built a t14 gen 5 from scratch and no one cared
also intel is fucking shit
you are a golem

>>105666462
>>105666206
L13 Yoga Gen 2 onwards, no X13 Yoga models. That gen has the 5600U
AMDs are rare so prices are shit

HP ProBook x360 G8/G9/... too
No Dell Latitudes

You will mostly find non-business Lenovo Yoga, Dell Inspiron 2-in-1 and HP Envy x360 models, because they didn't want to put AMD in business laptops or had deals with Intel

Got an X61 laptop from e-waste. What should I do about the top? Is there a safe chemical that I can use to remove the coating or should I just leave it be?

anyone else find the X200 and X61 to be peak dimensions//size for comfy mobile computing?

>>105668564
some dude on YT tried plastidip on it, but I wouldn't consider working on it unless it actually runs. does that have the Penryn processor at least?

>>105668262
pls link to the post where you built the t14 gen5 from scratch.
True, I just compared it to the AMD variant, seems like Intel is still way behind.

>>105668564
Acetone and abrasives will eat that shit away, I removed the coating on an old 380 series from the 90’s that way, I chose not to re-coat it and used matte black paint
But you could leave it scuffed and it would make a good surface for plasti-dip to stick to

>>105668564
Black paint

>>105668564
Use Magic eraser with some water worked great

>>105668564
Use magic eraser then paint it?

The SSD on my x230 failed SMART just now. smartctl says it will fail in 24h.
Is that a sign that it's time to buy a new laptop or replace the SSD and cope for a bit more?
Framework is 1k+ holy shit.

>>105664965 (OP)
Saw an Thinkpad A485. Does it have any drawbacks besides higher power consumption?

>>105670008
>says it will fail in 24h.
that's not how smart works
post attrib values

>>105670050
What's that then. Anyway, shit's dying, I/O is locked (can't open the browser, hence the photo).

>>105670069
>no failed attributes found
then why does it fail? post full output

>>105670131
It's end to end error. Why does it matter, even a sniff of a SMART failure is enough to dump the drive.
Anyway, I did not come for tech support, even an ape can read SMART.

>>105670175
>Why does it matter
Because some smart attribute failures are more often than not caused by faulty connection, power or controller rather than drive itself.

Are T14s worth it for metal chassis? Plastic of T14 is crap.

Should I buy a t480s assuming Coreboot and Heads will be ported eventually now that they support Libreboot. I don't care about freedom or non-existant backdoors I just want boot tamper protection.

Are new Lenovos still as upgradable?

>>105670008
Do a full backup if you haven't already and get an X13/T14 G2-3, if you really want a newer laptop.
No good reason to pay 1k+ for a LTT meme or even a new chinkpad desu.
Otherwise test it in a different machine, get a spare x230 mobo or Drive and use it for another 2-3 years.

When I say "modern" I mean available for purchase by mere mortals. Everything we have at work is ddr6 or at the very least ddr5.

I genuinely thought DDR6 was available for purchase because of how long I've had access to it at work.
My only experience beyond this is with Very Very Very Old Computers.

I just need to be able to compile gcc in a few seconds. I also want lots of memory (128gb 64gb is OK if its not soldered on)

And I'd like to be able to run extremely poorly optimized games that come in bad engines. I don't know anything about GPUs but games released today for $4.99 make certain units I get to touch choke and hurl while they run idk modded old games or crysis or whatever its called well enough.

I thought that the T16 would be what I wanted but do I actually need a P series instead? How does one even parse the naming conventions for the P series it seems entirely all over the place.

>>105670493
>I don't care about freedom or non-existant backdoors
heads is a backdoor dude it wants you to scan QR codes from your phone to be able to boot your OS using an outdated linux kernel
heads is the only honeypot I've ever seen in my life that was 100% just a honeypot

>>105670008
>buy a new laptop or replace
depends on how autistic you are

Is USB-C a Problem on T470/480, X370/380, A485 ?

Is the x280 build quality good? The 16gb version specs seem decent. I'm looking for a small repairable laptop for running cad.

Anyone flashed ivyrain?

>>105672880
its nice. flashed the classic keyboard patch too.

Thoughts on a T480 or similar in current year? I only need it to finish out my last year of school. EE student, nothing crazy some C and python programming, some mathlab and Eagle or KiCad. I have a Latitude e7470, but the battery is shot, one of my ram sticks failed and I'm not sure if its the slot or the stick. I have a desktop, but I want to try and keep everything on one device.

>>105672880
>blobs from some troonboy
LMAO no, at least glowies won't steal my bank card details

>>105672358
Most likely to be broken on T470/X370/X380 because they're usually charged with the traditional adapter so it's easy to miss the symptoms. T480 can break but I haven't seen a broken one yet. A485 doesn't have the bug because it's straight USB and not Thunderbolt.

>>105673202
You mean power supply via USB C works,but the docking station, data transer stuff on that port can be broken?

>>105669340
Definetely. It's a shame we don't have any kind of laptop similtar to them, having only the trackpoint was kino for me.

I've returned from the wrong path back to gentoomen collective. Which Thinkpad should I get if I want something modern and 15.6 or 16 inch? My Huawei Matebook D 14 from 2020 with 8GB soldered RAM just doesn't cut it anymore, I need the power of Thinkpad with Gentoo once again.

I'm serious now. Show me the way, brethren.

>zen2 ryzen does not support hardware AV-1
Total trash, intel is so back

>>105673395
Both break. Early symptoms are data broken and slow charging, then the port completely stops working. Updating the firmware while it still partly works usually fixes it.

I guess I'm staying on my huawei matebook since thinkpad generals don't give a fuck to point me to the sansa clip mini + of laptops.

>>105673614
Probably P1, unless you're insane enough to like off-center keyboards in which case T16.

>>105673969
I hate these off-centered trackpads and I can't believe someone there actually thought that it's a good idea to design it in such a way. Thanks.

>>105673873
thx

niggers tongue my anus

>>105673969
>>105674001
Why would anyone want a bigger laptop if not for the numpad?

>>105674556
My eyes really get tired faster on a 14" screen compared to 16" and some programs don't scale the GUI nicely. I also have a use for numpad, but that's not the main requirement lol

>>105665552
For me I'm waiting for L14 G3 amd

Yeah so apparently the T14 Gen 5 has an LCD whitelist...
I'm getting a fucking Framework, fuck this jewish corporation.

>>105664965 (OP)
need a laptop rec. used is okay. under 400. main wants are a low weight and screen size 15-17inch. if it could play games like minecraft that'd be nice too.

>>105664965 (OP)
https://www.bestbuy.com/product/lenovo-ideapad-1i-15-6-full-hd-touchscreen-laptop-intel-core-i5-1334u-16gb-memory-512gb-ssd-abyss-blue/6610890?sb_share_source=PDP
I have like two hours to make a decision. For reference this laptop would be used for streaming,gaming,and etc should I buy it?

>>105665064
If the only thing care about is socketed RAM like the spergs of /tpg/, yes.

>>105667936
>I'm hoping the Chinese aftermarket motherboard people eventually make one for the T440p chassis.
It will be $2,000, they'll make a dozen of them in total, and you'll have to speak Chinese to get one.

>>105668564
There were pictures floating around 5+ years ago of an anon who had removed the coating and painstakingly polished the magnesium case.

>>105676798
Ideapads are...fragile.
BestGoy prices are inflated.
Intel 13th gen oxidizes/shits itself.
>gaming
No discrete GPU.

No.

>>105676940
OK... me and my mom have been looking for so long to find a decent enough laptop for vtubing and etc it just needs to be decent ill pass on the offer

>>105676940
What do you recommend to me to buy?

>>105677037
If you're already cool with a 15-16" slabtops, go find a used/refurb Lenovo Legion on eGay. They're actually specced for your use case and more durable than an IdeaPad.

>>105677049
lol, I can't even imagine how long this took. The pic I was remembering was of the top lid with the IBM logo, I don't remember seeing this one of the bottom case. I wonder if this anon was a paint/autobody guy by trade.

>>105677112
This can work for vtubing as well?

>>105677154
If it's as graphically intensive as I assume it is, you don't want a laptop at all. Build a desktop with a real GPU.

>>105677192
Mmm... I'm not trying to do like professional stuff but the cpu stuff still needs to be powerful enough to handle everything then? I'm probably just going to start with a png anyways since the actual model is expensive

should i replace my macbook air m2 with a thinkpad

Is there any way to automatically bypass the
>Fan error
block when booting?

Old ThinkPad. Repurposed it as my NAS, every works and is comfy...except the fan. It runs at a significant level no matter what, even though the NAS is idle 99% of the time. I've replaced the fan/heatsink, I've changed the thermal paste. It just runs at this level 24/7. It's a Sandy Bridge laptop.
1) Noise. The fan is quite noisy in an otherwise quiet room.
2) I worry about longevity/safety of this moving part running 24/7 unnecessarily.

So I opened it up and disconnected the fan plug into the motherboard. It actually works, idle temps are basically the same, maybe 1-2 degrees higher. No technical need to have the fan running all the time.

However there's a problem. By default, boot will be interrupted and blocked by the Fan Error message, it detects the fan isn't plugged in. The only way to bypass it is to manually be at the machine and quickly press Esc as soon as it comes up. But remote reboots will still be blocked. Any way to have it bypass automatically? Otherwise I'll either have to plug the fan back in or spend money on a chink fanless PC.

>>105677386
Look for ThinkFan or tpfancontrol for your OS. You should be able to override bios fan curves.

How the fuck am I supposed to sell all my old thinkpads?

Also is it normal for there to be a bit of play in the hinge? The hinge itself isn't loose but it can wiggle loosely back and forth when open

>>105675908
T16 G1/G2

>>105677660
Never had a problem with the local craigslist clone. Mine were all 2009 or later though. Older ones probably won't go easily given they can't run many current loonixes, never mind Windows.

Play in the hinges, yes it's common, especially on the ones that still have a latch.

have t480s as secondary laptop, what are the drawbacks of librebooting it? i have both rpi5 and rpi pico, but not the clip yet. go forward with that method or different one?

>>105677256
i have both. only go forward if you want linux/windows

Just out of curiosity can anyone identify the thinkpad Sam is using here ?

>>105679000
>>105679008
looks like P15 gen 2

>>105677131
There's a couple, yeah

>>105677131
>>105679042

>>105679042
that shit is dedication

When will second-hand Thinkpads with 11th gen Intel become affordable?

>>105679000
>>105679008
It's probably a P71. Big laptop for a big boy.

>>105679032
The 15 inch P series don't have side bezels that big.

>>105679008
>>105679032
>>105679000
>>105680711
My bad, it's most likely an X1 Extreme or P1.

>>105680674
they are ass
the intel

>>105672144
I was able to find this post simply as I was the only one mentioning GCC. Not a single person copy pasted my reddit post and found it on reddit.
Not a single person mentioned my reddit spacing.
Not a single person here answered.
I answered multiple questions ITT immediately after posting.
Just let the general die. It isn't helping your resale efforts on ebay.
Let it go. I don't care what continent your on. This brand is over.
I was willing to spend several thousands of dollars and no one here bit. Hell not even reddit jumped the shark at suggesting what I was asking for.
tl;dr some anon here came swinging asking you to upsell him on some ewaste and no one bought but lenovo.
Failures the lot of you.
The laptop I ended up purchasing was a P16g2 w/ 128gb of ram, a nice screen, and a gpu worth $3k USD if added for a configure your own option
I spent $4.2k USD
my only gripe is it isn't ECC ram but I am at least relieved it isn't soldered in

>>105680887
>I spent $4.2k USD
This is why nobody answered and you don't fit in here. Nobody but you is dumb enough to spend $4k on a laptop.

Why should I buy a Thinkpad instead of one of these:

https://youtube.com/shorts/oWKRHyIb4jk?si=tgATA-ow5hFC6A9W

T14 G5, T16/P16s G3, and newer ThinkPads have a fucking LCD cable whitelist.

What's worse, there is no 40 pin IPS WQHD edp cable anymore, the 40 pin cables only works with OLED panels.

Lenovo are niggers.

>>105680807
No, I used one at work, and it exceeded all my expectations.

>>105681717
what? how? are the cables more than just metal wires?

>>105681398
I think you sent the wrong video, the laptop on it is of the gaming variety. Thinkpads are made for serious businessmen, not for gamers. You're basically comparing apples to oranges. Fuck you. Kill yourself.

>>105682252
If it’s good for gaming it’s good for anything else. Gaming is the most demanding activity you can do on a laptop.

>>105682307
>high power draw (therefore bad battery life)
>heavy, bad portability
>unreliable
>looks bad (gaymer rgb logos)
>terrible build quality

Leave gaming to desktops unless forced to use a laptop.

>>105679125
1st gen proart look and feel more "thinkpad" than any lenovo monitor

>>105680674
2-3 years ago?
I'm seeing lots of third-hand ones, as in people who buy corporate discarded machines are selling their 11th gen.

Are Thinkpads eternal? Like, if some part stops working you can simply replace it? That’s why people here still buy those 10-year-old Thinkpads?

>>105682668
>Are Thinkpads eternal?
No, Framework laptop is though.

>Like, if some part stops working you can simply replace it?
Good luck finding good batteries.

>That’s why people here still buy those 10-year-old Thinkpads?
They're poorfags.

>>105682232
EDID

>>105682668
>Are thinkpads eternal?
No. Buy 10 working copies (each produced in a different month) of your favorite thinkpad and use them to fix your broken laptop in order to achieve near immortality.

>>105682668
Cheap and Linux support
That's it. T480 got praised a lot despite its massive shortcoming of dying thunderbolt port. The fucking charging port.

>>105682668
Yeah pretty much.
Thankfully none of my chinkpads died on me so far, but a friend of mine fried the Motherboard on an old X31 when he tried to boot while it was still wet.

Just make sure it's a somewhat common model that isn't too mainstream like the t480/t440p or you'll pay an absolute fortune for genuine batteries and non-cracked screen bezels/palmrests.

>>105682307
Having zero thermal headroom sounds retarded to me. Especially when the cooling system will inevitably get less effective from collecting dust.
No, your laptop components aren't meant to run at 105℃ no matter how hard they are trying to get you to destroy your current laptop to buy a new one.

>>105670008
I'd replace the SSD and get another laptop to never be only one deep.

thinkpads in movies that actually got made? and no fastman does NOT count

>>105670493
I am autistic enough to use qubes and scared of evil maids. Why shouldn't I use heads with a yubikey/token2?

>>105686046
meant for >>105672153

>>105686046
>I want an outdated stripped down Linux to be my bootloader
Okay senpai

>>105681379
It’s actually much better than the $50k USD server from ampere I was planning on getting this year.
You’re just unemployed and poor.

>>105686164
Btw
This was the cheaper one but I didn’t move funds fast enough. The one I am getting has a GPU option that was $3k the entire unit totaled to $10.8k USD
And it was 66% off anon
You’re a fucking idiot for not getting a brand new free nvidia gpu with 128gb of ram in discount.

>>105682668
The S30 I posted as the op image is from 2001, it has an msata ssd in it.
The limitation with old laptops is material degradation, capacitors failing, batteries failing, screens going yellow, the plastics themselves turning back into oil.
Good quality parts and materials lengthen this lifespan a lot, and third party aftermarket support and mods can counteract those issues entirely.
Someone shoved a framework motherboard into a 701c chassis, and the 701c chassis is notoriously a piece of brittle sticky shit so you can also just 3D print an entire new chassis now because some nerd got mad at their 701c turning to dust and decided to resolve that forever.
Such is the story for many thinkpads
You could Ship of Theseus a T420 for the next 100 years before technology progresses so far that the idea of a capacitor is defunct.

>>105686149
I don't understand why this is a problem in the setup I explained.

>>105686187
Anon do you know what heads is?

>>105686190
There are possible attack vectors if someone has physical access with the old linux versions. I don't see why that is a problem in a schizo set up you check for tampering before every boot.

>>105686212
Good luck man I wish you the best.

>>105672880
>blobs
>from some dude who is 100% trustworthy (real) ((for real though)) (((it's github man, trust and believe)))
You crazy?

>>105670436
Worth it? Depends on your needs/use case.
I can only say I like mine, it feels nice: premium and decently sturdy; although the metal isn't super thick, so don't expect a rock solid brick of billet.
I also heard the T14s g2 in storm gray (the aluminum variant; which I have) has the potential for hinge failure due to some chinky design choices, but mine seems fine.
I also got mine for a very good price, so I really had nothing to lose.

>>105687373
I just want a laptop that does not feel like flimsy POS that creaks if you pick it up incorrectly (TM). Also metal is better because after years the fancy finish will fade away. Plastic will shine like cheap plastic, but metal can be polished. Swagging around a shiny laptop is real king shit.

>>105682668
Not really, but some parts for some models come close because of the sheer amount produced. For example T410-T430 and T480s-T14G2 keyboards as well as T440-L470 and T470-T14G2 touchpads.

Thinkpad A285, is there any way to increase the assigned VRAM past 1GB? That seems to be the limit of the BIOS.

>>105686181
When I learn some more EE I want to shove a Framework 13 motherboard and a nice OLED display into my X301, it's the perfect size for a laptop and has a nice keyboard, it's just too old to do much with aside from basic office duties now.

Should i get an X380 Yoga or some x1? The pen working with pressure is a priority to me. At first i was eyeing the X380 Yoga but unlike some x1 models its unknown if the pen will work under linux.
As for quality/sturdiness i expect something most similar to my t480.

>>105690459
And im looking for used models around 200-400€. I don't need extreme performance but my t480 feels a little limiting for my work. Running an SDR for a couple of hours outside seems like the most it can do.

>>105690459 (You)
And im looking for used models around 200-400€. I don't need extreme performance but my t480 feels a little limiting for my work. Running an SDR for a couple of hours outside seems like the most it can do. In addition to some doodling, thus the pen being a priority.

>>105687703
Yeah it doesn't feel flimsy, and doesn't get shiny like plastic.
But on the aluminum ones, I'm pretty sure the finish is anodized, so it doesn't come off easily at all. And when it does, it doesn't get shiny, just a white aluminum oxide color.
Pic is the corner of my palm rest were some of the finish has rubbed off.

>>105680887
bitchboy

>>105690459
>>105690512
>I want newer but still sturdy.
So does everybody else. It doesn't exist.

Just got an Elitebook 845 G10. Any recommendations for replacement LCD panels?
I'm stuck with the 30pin, so I'm thinking B140UAN01.0 HW0A.
Also where to buy these? Aliexpress? How to tell if they'll send the exact panel and not some "compatible" bs?

>>105692282
I mean more the feel. If it drops and breaks that's fine and i don't expect it to survive like my t480 but i like the feel it has. Kinda hefty. So i mean weight is not an concern.

99% of x220 and x230 listings have the rear lid scratched and/or vandalized with stickers. I bought a x220 for $70 just because the lid was in a very good condition.

>>105669340
What's the smallest ThinkPad?

Anything with a touchscreen/stylus thats under $300?

>>105695199
X13 Gen 2 Yoga
>>105695082
Z13 maybe? Or X1 Nano. If you're talking about older more affordable models then the X280. There are detachable keyboard tablet "laptops" from Lenovo in smaller sizes.

>>105695481
Hmm. What about models compatible with Coreboot? I suppose it's the X60s?

>>105695511
X60s or X200 I think.

>>105690459
I have a X380, the pen works in linux (wacom), dunno about pressure

>>105682252

>Mfw dragged an entire 50-player LAN party in UT99 and UT2004 on a T60p 16:10 with x1700 Pro graphics this weekend

>>105685132

I have a gaymen ASUS TUF FX505DT with 2080ti mobile I run Ryzen Controller on to thermally limit it to 75*C. It only takes a small performance hit barely noticeable and my laptop doesn't fry eggs anymore.

I'm sure that exists for newer stuff too.

Is there a trick to getting accurate with the trackpoint?
I've been using 90% of the week that I've owned a thinkpad and I'm still having trouble clicking accurately.
I also keep hitting the spacebar instead of left click.

>>105696014
Maybe adjusting sensitivity would help. And I guess assuming you bought it used, make sure there isn't a buildup of filth underneath the trackpoint buttons. Could be that it's simply worn out from use as well.

>>105696075
It's completely clean underneath, and I can move it in very small increments, so I don't think it's worn out.
It's just the acceleration sensitivity is hard to get used to, but if it was much slower, big movements would be too slow.

I also just realized I have been using it with my left hand because it's more natural to reach the left click from the home row.
With my right hand I feel more in control, but I have to shift my hand over to get a good position on the left click.

>>105696014
not all trackpoints are the same. the trackpoints on the newer thinkpads are a joke. my x13 trackpoint is unusuable. the trackpoints on earlier thinkpads are phenomenal. lenovo fucked up on the new machines. it's a shame.
anyway, my last t60 died and now i have ordered two new ones from ebay. i realized i am going to need a new battery or two for these. where are you all getting your batteries from these days?

>>105696263
>t60
I'm pretty sure my dad had one of those, or maybe an older one. Not sure where it is now.

>>105696263
Rolling the eBay/AE rando chinkshit lottery. Several years ago I bought a 3-pack for my stable of T60/T60p/T61. One was DOA, one died within 3-6mo, and one is at 80% capacity but still running strong. It's a crapshoot.

If you want quality, see if KingSener, GreenCell, or Duracell makes one. At a glance, I didn't see a T60 compatible battery for any of these companies on AE.

>>105696263
I have the opposite experience. I can only draw a smooth figure-eight on my T14 G1 and T14 G5. T400, T510 and L560 can't draw anything close to a circle though the rubber physically feels nicer. L470 and T480 are somewhere in between.

It could be a lottery or just practive.

What's the cheapest Thinkpad with a "high-end" Intel iGPU (96 execution units, etc).

>>105695722
can you please try out if pressure works? Its very easy to do in krita which is FOSS and can be done in under a minute.

>>105698130
different tablets may report it differently but if there is talk about "p" or similar variables that change with pressure then that's good.

I have an X2100, been using it as my daily since 5 years, ama.

>>105697546
Something with a 1165G7, so maybe a E14 Gen2?

>>105695082
Modern ones? X1 nano is tiny
Old ones? PC110 is the smallest, S30 is 10”, old 240 series is also 10”, the mini 10 is an obscure tiny one but it’s less thinkpad than most, and there’s stuff like the more common x100/200/300’s which are pretty small too.
Smallest but still usable is probably an X201
Smallest but usable if all you do is possible on 25 year old hardware is a 240

>>105698789
Mine should be here already, I hope I didnt bought mine at the same Adresse.

>>105698789
That is at least Field tested, depending on the model it is battle Gaben.
I ordered one too last days, it should be already here, it isnt. I hope I bought mine not from the same Adresse

>>105700284
Is there even a reason to get these unless you are ging to replace whats broken?

Kinda hate how many viable competitors there are for a given usecase. Anyways not gonna make a 5% performance difference drive me into madness even if the price difference only was 30$ haha

My employer uses Lenovo as an equipment provider and holy shit seeing the markup on some of these thinkpads is nuts.

T14 with a 1345U, 16gb, 512gb ssd. Standard stuff.
>$1500 through the IT gateway

>>105700299
If it’s substantially cheaper, like they’re factoring out the cost of a replacement display.
That way the cost is negligible, it’s down to the value of your time to replace it.
That’s the only time I would buy something that damaged.

>>105701886
Kek
Does it come with a 3 or 5 year warranty?

Looks like Tripcode is alive.
https://youtu.be/a_xOUC09ENU

>>105698789
As in "fine particles"

How do I make the fingerprint reader work with my L590? I'm running Gentoo

Can’t keep a tpg alive for shit these days

>>105698151
Also if you are going to bother with this can you also try drawing slow diagonal lines? The digitizer is often cucked by the manufacturer and will make wobly lines.
I ordered an x1 yoga g3 and if it has wobble and the X380 has less or not at all then the choice is obvious.

>>105702551
Neat!
Was it the same machine posted a few threads back?

>>105705406
Not sure hopefully they upload more. I might buy one from them. It looks like it's corebooted so that's a plus.

was bending my x220 for some reason and the graphics started glitching for a moment

"sturdy" they said

>>105704868
here u go
pressure works, confirmed by drawing

what's a good way to remove the Windows logo from the Super key

Any Latitude fans in here besides me? I personally prefer it over my overrated ThinkFag.

>>105706443
Thanks anon. So other unexplored x models also work. Cancelled my x1 order and im getting a model similar to yours which as evidenced by you work with linux and by another reviewers has some of the best slow lines performance out of any convertible apparently.

>>105702875
Very, very, very few FPRs work in Linux at all. My suggestion is to give up. I think the last one I remember working in Linux was on a T60. Find out what hardware you have and if fprintd doesn't list it as supported, forget it and move on. I understand the convenience, but it's not secure anyway.

>>105707122
Picrel is how some others preform. From what i have heard these convertibles are either neglected by the laptop manufacturers or the digitizer itself is worse on purpose to keep graphic tablet prices up.

Considering getting my first ThinkPad. Really got my eyes on the P series but afraid I'm still not able to afford it. Any compromise between power and budget?

>>105698311
I have a gen 5 x1 carbon, only 8gb of ram. Never used linux on my personal stuff (very casual exp. with work puters), been thinking about swapping on my X1 so I can save some ram/better performance with babby specs. Running discord and watching youtube pretty much takes it to its limit. Thinking about kubutnu after like 20 minutes of casual looky-looing. Does it save enough ram/performance to make it worth it for a casual like me? Also just on the hunt for a slightly newer x1 carbon with better shit to begin with, the dual core is killin me. But I only paid 57 bucks for this sum bitch and I love it to death.

>>105707177
it seems to make some decent lines

>>105707179
What are you trying to minmax exactly? There are or were "p" models like the t440p which usually have a discrete GPU and a high res IPS display by default.

>>105707280
KDE is pretty heavy for a Linux desktop environment but it will still beat Windows. You might look at Lubuntu with the LXDE desktop. It's similarly "pretty" but uses less RAM.

>>105707321
There is definitely some jitter there but doesn't look unfixable. We have stabilization after all which you can enable in the same menu where you opened the tablet tester. Picrel is whats unacceptable however. This is very clearly an issue with the digitizer.
If you are still on it can you try making these lines with only the pen touching the screen, pen and palm touching, and pen palm and other hand touching the metal frame? This is to exclude any EMI interference that stems from the screen being ungrounded for some reason, and maybe see if plugging it into the wall pretty please.

>>105707352
results are similar for various combinations of pen+palm+penis+power, there appears to be no interference

>>105707483
Thanks a lot!
As soon as my order has been confirmed to be cancelled im getting one similar to yours.
These tests are not just important for drawfaggotry but also because pen input can just glitch out and be unusable for note taking and signing too like here.

>>105707514
fyi a glitch ate one of my brushstrokes, but the 8gb poorfag models are cheap (because it's fucking soldered)

are there 4:3 laptops being made anymore? my t60 struggles to keep up more each year but it's impossible for me to transitition to these gay 16:9 laptops that are too thin for a usb port

>>105707628
How often do these glitches happen for you? Also how much would you pay for these? Im looking at a 16gig model with a mid tier 8gen Intel CPU (don't know the name, will once im home) for around 270$

almost all the arguments for these are bullshit
I have a x280 and it feels like its made of toxic chinese plastic. Plus all the used machines are frankenstein ships of fools with god knows what inside because you morons drive demand for them. Thinkpads haven't been a good laptop option for years.

>>105707786
It seems to happen when pressing firmly on the screen? I paid 220 (excl. tax) for a 8gb/256 specimen with a bad battery.

What is the best Twinkpad?

>>105707905
Could be palm detection failing because of how strong your hand might be against the scree? Saw a dude test photoshop and krita where the latter had this issue.
As for the price i think it sounds fair.

Will report my experiences too because i think its an neglected topic. I mean the screen has a whole array of sensors and used a lot of precious space on these thin laptops to install pens so its weird that nobody cares.

Is there a thinkpad I could run games off of decently without it exploding?

>>105707922
E16 Gen2

So is any modern tp dogshit?

>>105707325
Honestly no idea what I'm trying to minmax as of now. It's my first ever laptop and it'll be a work laptop. Will probably start with just documents but probably something more soon. Aside from that I do some occasional gaming and modded EU4 was the first thing I really wanted to try if it won't compromise price too much. Honestly no definite idea on what I want just looking around for now.

>>105707280
>kubutnu
I was a Windows user before, so this was a very pain-free switch. In the meantime I've ditched everything Microsoft except Hotmail.

As for daily experience: I don't rice more than selecting the dark theme, setting a dozen hotkeys and moving the tray to the left of the screen. I use this machine to work. I have the exact same setup at my day job. The biggest benefit of switching to Linux imo is that it just lets you do your work without being in your face about "hey, would you like to order this random value add service?" or "i'm going to forcibly restart your computer now to install an update - oh, you still have documents open? too bad".

Kubuntu (and Ubuntu and most major distributions) just gives you a functional system OOTB without lots of tinkering.

>buy magnetic screen protector for my T480
>fits my screen but has some sort of bezel that stops it from being completely flat
>it's touchscreen
minor inconvenience but whatever

>>105665020
Is it an apple laptop? Maybe a gaming one? Or at least featuring a new 395 CPU? No? Then nobody gives a shit about it. Corpos don't care about reviews, and not a single sane person would buy a new Thinkpad with their own money.

Where do I find one of these finance companies selling off a shit load of twinkpads for pennies in Canada?

>>105708577
>magnetic screen protector
How exactly does it work? Sticks magnetically to the entire screen surface? Or does it need sticky pads?
I've been looking for screen protector for X1 because the keyboard scratches the display all the time. Can these magnetic protectors be cut to fit 3:2 panel or do I have to look for exact match?

>>105665020
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/c/laptops/thinkpad/
Not available in the USA, and Poland too apparently.

How does the lid close detection work on the x220? Whenever I bring my phone close to the webcam the display turns off.

>>105711829
Seems like you answered your own question.

>>105711881
Oh, so it detects whether my phone is next to the webcam? So that means there is a phone hidden inside of my trackpad. Got it.

>>105711829
Magnetic field, I'm pretty sure.

>I will buy after next gen comes out
>maybe after next gen
>naaaah, I will wait one more gen, THEN for sure
>naaaaaaaaaaaaaah, shit hinges
How do you break the cycle without sounding like a consoomer?

>>105707797
>Thinkpads haven't been a good laptop option for years.
That's why I roll an x230

>>105707797
No shit. It always makes me laugh when I hear redditors say that the T480 was "the last great lenovo thinkpad".

>>105707797
Don't care, just need clit.

>>105714667
T480 is a "this far and no father" line in the sand, the last in a long history of lines in the sand that were already crossed. It's the last refuge of the soldered RAM crybaby that also enjoys carrying around additional dildo size proprietary batteries and makes sure everyone is watching them do a high speed tactical mag change.

>>105664965 (OP)
Is there a 14 inch Thinkpad with 2 nvme slots?

>>105715122
the last good thinkpad was the venerable t60

>>105707938
Yes, which games exactly, high or medium preset?

>>105664965 (OP)
Done a BIOS update of a 745 G6 and it keeps restarting at "final step of the BIOS update" process.

BIOS was obtained from HP site. What can I do? I put in a USB flash drive with the BIOS recovery tool and it is being ignored.

>>105716806
Use a different USB drive. Some machines are finicky. You might try making it with different settings using Rufus too. Anecdotally, I had the hardest time getting my gaymen desktop to update the bios, ended up using 3 different USBs til I found one that worked.

>>105716839
I put the BIOS USB in another slot and it managed to force itself into the startup menu, pressed the option to load firmware and that got rid of the issue.

>>105696014
Disable acceleration (applies to all pointing devices).

>>105664965 (OP)
So whilst I am here, what is the general opinion of ThinkPads these days? I moved onto a 840 G7 Elitebook after my T440p that I had for a few years (I only had the dual-core i7 and the upgrades were cost prohibitive) as I wasn't feeling that the build quality was doing good plus I hated some models only having USB-C charging (the Elitebook has the standard port as an option which I am using courtesy of an old docking station adapter).

The G7 I got at a decent price and the seller had put a 1TB SSD in it too, all I've done is upgrade it to 32GB.

>>105715936
Medium preset, I play FFXIV sometimes so I figured I'd start with that as a baseline.

>>105696135
Use your thumb for the clicks. Should feel quite natural after a while. Your hand is already in position, if you touch type that is.

>>105709792
it sticks magnetically. ideally you should get an exact match, the chinks have all sorts of sizes figured out.

>>105664965 (OP)
Is it possible to get a decent used ThinkPad for $500 or so? I had one about 15 years ago and it was rock solid. Plan on running Linux Mint to match my desktop.

>>105718569
Also I had a T-Series. 30, I think. I would like to stay with the same black boxy case if possible.

>>105718569
>>105718582
Maybe P53. Last one with the traditional case, from 2019, but has modern niceties like Thunderbolt and an 8-core CPU option.

bump

What's the difference between T series and P series nupads?

>>105664965 (OP)
Thoughts on T14 gen 6? Thinking about getting an AMD one.

>>105720779
T series is conventional business stuff.
P series is workstation oriented, usually offers better dgpu options and more color accurate displays.
Things like the P50 of ancient times for example had an optional Pantone color calibrator, 4k 15” display, 4 ram slots and a Xeon, higher end mobile quadros, etc
While the equivalent conventional machine of the time was the T570 and it’s fairly normal feature set

>>105720974
Almost forgot, modern ones? Same shit but with dgpus.
Different construction kinda? Not really that huge of a difference unless you get the bigger ones.
Mobile gpu needs have really diminished in that enterprise market, most of the time if businesses have some kind of need for portability with performance they use something like a 780m apu equipped thinkpad and don’t go all the way to the fancy stuff like the mobile quadros. If the business needs what those offer from a nvidia feature view, they have an actual workstation somewhere, not a laptop.
If they need the performance they compromise on the apu options because they’re 75% as good for half the price or less.

>>105720974
What about the other Thinkpad series like the L and E series?

>>105721154
L is like T but with cheaper materials and often older hardware. L models sometimes fill niches that you won't find in other series such as AMD-based convertibles and 14-inchers with 3 USB-A ports.

E is, or at least used to be, consumer-grade laptops with a trackpoint. Apparently they've improved lately but the last one I used, E490 (2019), was absolute shit with the frame practically designed to crack from normally opening and closing the laptop.

Which P series has enough depth size for 4TB 2,5" HDD (15mm)?

>>105721154
Basically what >>105721274 said
I’ve had the entire Kaby lake range at one point to make this comparison
The P50/70 are built like tanks, specced really well beyond just their core specs, lots of i/o and unique features.
The T and X series feel durable, solid, reasonably specced, you handle them and they feel like a more premium and professional device.
The L series, in my case I have an L570, distinctly uses cheaper materials. It’s a little flexy, the screen assembly feels flimsy, the bottom bezel is a trampoline. The whole body is a bit bigger and made of cheaper plastic, it’s alright but it’s definitely leaning more into the consumer end.
The E series like an E470 I’ve used is made of recycled milk jugs and overall feels like a low end consumer laptop. They’re on the same tier as the entry level ideabooks imo.
My employer uses Lenovo as an oem, which I think I mentioned above, they sell a T14 for $1500 as “general purpose”, and they sell the E14 at $900 as “for new hire training only”.
Of course this is my personal experience with machines from years ago. I haven’t used a modern E series, I don’t think the L series are even a thing anymore? They’re just lower tiers of business laptops made with worse materials.
If your laptop is rarely mobile or just stays around the house, if the price is right I see nothing against the cheaper ones. I still have my L570 because it has a blu ray drive. But it’s definitely not something I would toss in my car and bring to and from work every day.

>>105665039
The only thing holding me back from a Framework is the lack of a clit. How hard can it fucking be to push a keyboard module that has a trackpoint and mouse buttons, especially when it would attract the crowd you're after - disenfranchised thinkpad consumers.

anyone still using a thinkpad t420? its getting kinda slow out here, bros... i dont know how much longer i can keep living the dream

I had a E14 Gen 6 and a T14 Gen 5 side by side at work today and I much prefer the E14's build.
E14's notch is flat against the back cover unlike the T14's.
I prefer the chassis material of the E14 over the T14, the E14 feels smoother and reminds me of how the old ThinkPads felt.
E14 has a quieter keyboard which I prefer.
E14 has socket WLAN and a second NVMe slot.
I can swap a 120hz WQHD panel into the E14 which I can't with the T14.

Honestly fuck the T series at this point.

>>105723388
never used it but its funny how on local market here the $150 price for t420 is constant since 2018

>>105721797
Get a E14 Gen 6 AMD, swap in a 120hz DCI-P3 WQHD panel,and use it until it dies.
By then Framework will have better offerings with trackpoint and what not.
Every year Framework doubles their revenue, they might not be ideal right now, but in 5-10 years they will have the perfect laptop.
CEO himself wants to make the perfect laptop.

>>105723388
I'm on a midrange t430 but I'm planning out the replacement

>>105723551
Unironically the main thing that is making me second guess the E14 is that it has no smart card reader. Very silly reason since I know I'm going to use it like twice a week at best to sign documents with my ID card and USB readers exist, but still.