Thread 105671474

It's honestly crazy how nicely refined Mint is, it is the only thing that compares to windows in terms of just works functionality, I am genuinely really surprised that I feel for so many /g/ memes instead of just starting and sticking with mint. Everything else just seems so autistic, it's not perfect, but very close.

>>105671474 (OP)
Yeah, Mint Xfce was my final redpill a few years back and no other distro+DE combo has ever managed to hit that high water mark since. Hopefully the Wayland transition gives the Mint devs a chance to fix some of Cinnamons performance issues.

>>105671528
I use cinnamon and don't really notice any performance issues, what problems do people say they have? Wayland TRANSistion will be nice as well. I think for my workflow I could probably justify something even more minimal like Arch with dwl or sway or something but fuck mint just works and I'm not sure the extra autistic shit is worth the trouble

>>105671566
It's not worth the trouble at all. More new shit for you to acclimate to = Less time to spend on things you want / need to do. If Cinnamon works well for you, stick with it until you're dead.

>>105671566
Cinnamon uses Python in its shell. You can bet your ass that filters ancient Thinkpads.

>>105671810
Runs fine on my T420s with a middling dual core CPU.

>>105671474 (OP)
I've enjoyed all the distributions I've used over the years. Gentoo is my favourite distro because Portage is really flexible, and because I developer software. Arch is second because it's very minimal/simple while having up to date packages, Linux Mint is third, Debian is fourth. I'm using Linux Mint at the moment and I'm very happy with it.

no support for RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller even with latest 6.11 kernel it has.

MINT XFCE
FUCK CINNAMON

>>105673488
They're both great, but if you truly love Xfce, do yourself a favor and try MX Linux. All of the little paper cuts Xfce suffers from on many other distros (wonky power management on laptops, desktop becoming completely visible after waking from sleep, inconsistent sizing of status icons etc...), are simply not present on MX, or they offer handy settings toggles to remedy them with one click.

>>105673843
>try out my meme distro
never seen any of these issues
>but-
cope.

>>105671474 (OP)

Cinnamon needs more support in terms of applets and extensions.

>>105673440
Welp, I'm sold.

>>105673885
I didn't create MX Linux, and it's fine if you never have run into those issues, but many people have.

>>105671474 (OP)
Everything “just works”.
I don't get this dumb meme term. The only things that don't “just work” are things with bugs in it and mint certainly isn't less bugfree than other systems and in fact has many bugs.

It seems to mostly just be a meme term for
>This thing has default settings that I happen to personally like.

>>105673933
are these people in the room with us right now?

>>105673938
Ok

>>105673938
It means it's closest to Windows in UI. Windows used to be the most human interface, but then jeets got involved.

>>105673938
>This thing has default settings that most people happen to like
ftfy

>>105673971
This is just from a quick search:
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/105gd9z/after_opening_laptop_lid_my_desktop_is_displayed/

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=424924

https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/11pshwh/on_resume_i_can_briefly_see_my_desktop_prior_to/

https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14782

https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/1286w9p/status_tray_icons_are_unevenly_sized/

https://www.reddit.com/r/xfce/comments/pjmukd/how_to_make_panel_icon_sizes_consistent/

>>105673938
It means you don't need to do shit to get it up and running compared to other distros, every thing is. Ina. Clean simple easy to understand GUI, you don't need retarded commandshit to get it working, or to get basic functionality added.

Does anyone know of an equivalent to mint cinnamon "just werks" quality but with Wayland support? Multi monitor setup with different refresh rates and scaling fucks me from most troonix setups

I've been a mint fan since 2017 and use it on 2/3 of my computers. It does everything I need with ease except have League of Legends

No Wayland, means any app can read any other app's input.
Nvidia drivers with secure boot total disaster.
Outdated or missing packages.
Outdated desktop environment, cinnamon.

Enjoy your mint.

>>105673938
>The only things that don't “just work” are things with bugs in it and mint certainly isn't less bugfree than other systems and in fact has many bugs
I'm obliged to agree, playing emulated games in mint-xfce was a nightmare because the OS froze a few minutes later, and I had to hard reset the PC right after. Mint-cinnamon was even worse, freezing at random. So yeah, IT. JUST. DOES. NOT. WORK. While all the other Linux distros do.

I personally don't like Cinnamon and wouldn't consider Mint as its main developper is a virulent anti-semite

My home distro is Fedora kde

Takes a couple steps to set it up after install but after that I just about never have issues with it.

>>105675204
Not so subtle mint shill post in mint thread. I see you there friendo.

>>105675220
I don't support terrorists. My government declared Hamas a terrorist organization and I agree with that.

Shame on you.

>>105675245
Sure sure. Death to Israel btw. God wills it.

>>105675120
>Wayland gibberish
BSD and OS X both use X or a fork thereof. Programs can read input to other programs on Windows as well (Microsoft even markets this as a feature in some contexts). Wayland is solving a non-existent problem of its own creation, and it currently offers no real-world advantages over X.

>Nvidia drivers with secure boot total disaster
Secure boot is a scam, and there is no legitimate reason for you to be using it.

>Outdated
By what metric?

>missing packages
By what metric?
Missing for whom?

>Outdated desktop environment, cinnamon
How is Cinnamon "outdated" when it is actively maintained and developed by a large number of contributors?

>>105675276
stay mad

>>105675307
Can't see any reason to be mad right now. Make a cocktail and enjoy the show.

My main computer runs mint only with 2 nvidia gpus and 2 monitors just fine and did not require any hackery or fucking around to get working

>>105675360
>seething like khomenei

>>105675392
Kek, I must admit I had you pegged wrong. Didn't expect an actual heeb. Thought you were just reverse shilling Mint.

>>105675289
>it currently offers no real-world advantages over X

if you aren't a jeet and own multiple monitors with different refresh rates, xorg is unusable

>>105675204
There is no credible evidence that the main developer of Linux Mint, Clement Lefebvre, is antisemitic.

As of now:

Clement Lefebvre is the founder and lead developer of Linux Mint.

No verified statements, affiliations, or credible accusations** tie him to antisemitic views or actions.

The Linux Mint project has maintained a professional and inclusive public image, focusing on technical development and user experience.


If you came across a claim suggesting otherwise, it may be:

A hoax, misinformation, or

A misunderstanding from a misattributed quote or online forum.


Would you like help tracing the source of something specific you saw?

I'm too much of a boomer to not use lubuntu, mint is fugly

>>105673440
I think he backtracked on that

>>105671474 (OP)
>main flavor is a gtkslop gnome fork
>have to deal with ubongo enshittery

no thanks

>>105676895
works on my machine

>>105675925
He completely changed his views 3 or 4 years later, and those MintBox PCs they sell have been manufactured by CompuLab in Israel since version 2.

>>105673440
>>105675204
>>105675220
>>105675245
>>105675276
>Politics isn’t welcome on this blog and usually gets moderated. I understand where you’re coming from, as I had the same initial reaction a couple of years ago. I think many people remember my silly outburst about Israel and if I learnt two things about this: 1. We have nothing to do with politics, we’re here for a reason and it’s our passion for technology… so especially when we share a common thing like this, we shouldn’t let borders divide us, 2. that conflict is much more complicated than it seems, there’s a huge amount of propaganda on both sides of the fence and it’s extremely hard for an outsider to make an objective opinion. I received a lot of info and comments after my reaction, and I have to say… I just don’t know what to think or who to believe on this anymore.
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1974#comment-62346

>>105671528
my best experience with Linux of all time was Mint + XFCE, but I'm in Arch land now and I'm happy.

>>105673740
>>105671844
Show temperatures

>>105677084
works on my machine

>>105671474 (OP)
It was my first Linux distro back in the day, and now that I'm returning to it for my next rig (now that I can actually play games with it) I'm kind of torn on whether I should use kde or cinnamon. Co-worker keeps telling me kde, but cinnamon is what I originally used.

>>105677084
what the hell is a blueman
why can't linuxtard use coherent names

>>105675044
>Does anyone know of an equivalent to mint cinnamon "just werks" quality but with Wayland support?
Bazzite

>>105677870
kde is peak

>>105677233
Sad

>>105673440
And into the trash it goes.

>>105678090
Absolutely. Thinking for yourself and forming your own opinions instead of relying on the constant screeching of politicos is very, very sad indeed.

>>105671474 (OP)
still super buggy compared to windows. alot of times, my system would get hard stuck while shutting down. Ui elements (tray icons, e.g. network manager) would crash/freeze, requiring me to use the terminal instead. Limited hardware & software compatibility (my Chinese gaming mouse wouldn't work lol, no issues on windows tho), bloaty/obscure flatpaks, hours of wasted time trying to fix simple issues. Linux may be good for single purpose, non extensible systems (gadgets, handhelds and consoles) but for personal computing, windows isn't going anywhere, and anyone with common sense would rather install workarounds to disable things like recall or telemetry rather than learning a whole ass new and convoluted os.

I've had Debian servers for years, but Linux Mint was my first DE and real substitute for Windows.
I like how it was easy to get started with, and provided a simple transition for everyday tasks.

Unfortunately I kept stumbling upon some things, which were just too big of an issue to deal with.
For example the file-picker in Firefox. It was this dumb feature-less substitute, which didn't show previews, didn't allow to navigate to a written path, and didn't show pinned shortcuts.

This, as well as some other things, made me switch to KDE, and I'm really happy I did, because KDE is much closer to the Windows experience, which I've become accustomed to for years.

But since my install was originally with Cinnamon, now I'm having both Cinnamon and KDE packages, and it's all becoming very cluttered.
For example I have 2 update managers in my taskbar. Both with seemingly different updates.

Furthermore, my OS has stalled COMPLETELY on several different occasions.
Like, complete freezes. No way to restart. Hard shutdown required.
I assume it has to do with my custom Firefox, which often has 300+ tabs open. But many are unloaded, so I don't see how it's a problem?

I'm thinking about switching to Fedora, or at least dual-booting for a while.
But I've always used Debian, so I'm hesitant on having to re-learn all terminal commands (or, you know, how things are done).
Kubuntu seems intriguing as well, but I want to have KDE 6.4, and maybe even Kubuntu isn't as stable as Fedora.
Arch also seems intriguing, but at the same time a bit frightening. I just want a stable desktop.

>>105678258
works on my machine
>hardware and software compatibility
these are the same on every machine that runs gnu/linux

>>105678287
windows works flawlessly on my machine too, must be an os issue then. Also If your system works but others’ don’t, it’s proof of fragmentation (different kernels, libc, drivers, firmware, DEs, etc.), not proof the issue is invalid.

>>105677233
Based critical thinker.

>>105671474 (OP)
Thanks, but I'm sticking with the GOAT.

mint xfce is fine but i wish for non-systemed fork, preferably in runit, and kde alternative along with xfce
or LMDE

>>105678277
>file-picker in Firefox

>>105675204
>I personally don't like Cinnamon and wouldn't consider Mint as its main developper is a virulent anti-semite
Why are you trying to sell me something that's free?

>>105678387
MX Linux

>>105671474 (OP)
>systemd
>ugly name
>ugly color
>ugly logo'

no thank you

>>105675289
>Secure boot is a scam, and there is no legitimate reason for you to be using it.

>>105678463
MX has systemed and pozzed with leftshit loonie fork of Antix so no

>>105678492
MX gives you the option of enabling systemd, but it is disabled by default, and requires a few config edits + an extra package to enable.

>muh politics and feefees
Fuck off and die you dumb nigger. It's free. It's open. It's basically just Debian w/out systemd, an extra repo, and some nice custom utilities. You put it on your computer and tell it what to do. It's not going to call you names or bully you like the little bitch you are.

>>105678387
>i want linux mint without all the features that make it usable

>>105678595
Retard.

>>105678586
cope seethe and dilate troon, no one asked for your heckin opinionero or recommendations, your MX leftshart distro literally pings distrowatch to artificially inflate its popularity but literally no one uses that piece of crap because that's what it is

>>105678595
>implying muh systemed is necessary for running linux
no,
alternatives exist and there should be a fork for non systemed users, that's all i said

perhaps devuan fork under LMDE would do it, but please no cinnamon crap, xfce or kde

>>105678635
>troons be riggin dis website and dey cummin ta get me thru mah computah screen
Get a grip.

>>105678662
>yo dis nigga nut usin' mah left loonie distro? imma just call dem n-word and project mah raycism on him

>>105678436
Yes, I did switch to this afterwards.
I still wish that everything was as streamlined as in Windows though.

For example, depending on the program you run, you may get to see a completely different file manager.
So here in Firefox we get the first two:
- File-picker 1 (good)
- Filer-picker 2 (the awful one)
Nemo (or Dolphin) is the third one.
And GIMP has it's own file manager as well.
And if you dare to try a Wine application, it has a completely outdated (and very ugly) one too.

So that's 5 different File Managers, on this 1 very simple install.
That is one of the things that I see as a downside to Linux, and what could be a hurdle for newcomers to overcome.

>>105678745
>I still wish that everything was as streamlined as in Windows though.
Yeah but in Windows you can't even uninstall your antivirus without having a PhD in Windowsology. So pick your poison, I guess.

>>105678745
>For example, depending on the program you run, you may get to see a completely different file manager.
You should be able to fix that in some configuration window, or at least Uninstall the file managers you don't want to use.
Mint only comes with one file manager, so I didn't have this issue until I installed a second one.

>>105679276
>wine
Nvm, I see what you mean.
Still, there should only be one file manager by default, just a variety of file pickers.

>>105673938
You're correct in your assessment, incidentally for me "just werks" means something with little to no maintenance requirements, not necessarily something that works out of the box, but something that once set you can safely forget (eg: something like Debian/Devuan, Alma/Rocky, Slackware).

Why are troonixfags so mad when there's a distro that has a nonautistic UI and doesn't require constant maintenance and tinkering

>>105678745
can portal file picker sort md5 hash in proper sequence?

>>105679456
Because they are autistic losers who failed in the real world so they need some sort of artificial difficulty in their lives to make themselves feel superior to other people who are actually having sex.

>>105679438
That's why I will personally keep using Windows 11 for now. The updates haven't been bad, and have improved some parts of the OS. The UI is sleek and stylish, there's a lot of apps available, both on the Microsoft Store and on the internet, and there is a lot of customization for someone like me. I don't like fumbling too much in my OS, both due to the fear of breaking something and the seemingly countless hurdles you have to do to do so. It just works, and that's what's great about Windows.

Why every fucking day there is a kid shilling for linux mint ? have we no better conversation topics ? do we even say something meaningful about it ?

Listen, I use mint since before it was cool, yeah probably everyone should use it but there is nothing worth that shilling kino tech for every script kiddies out there ruining it for everyone. Fucking let true tech folk find gems by themselves.

No seriously, who are you OP (>>105671474 (OP)) and the rest of you shilling it everyday ? what's your fucking agenda ? how you're life is so miserable that you have to make a fucking linux mint general every day ??? just .. WHY Oo ??

I've been on KDE neon for the past 6 years, never really tried Mint for myself. (just installed it on some boomer relatives machines)
Kant komplain on KDE, should I give Mint a go?

>>105675458
>regarded spacing
R*edditor or chatbot. Call it.

>>105671474 (OP)
>cures your distrohopping
based mint

>>105679760
>I use thing
>it just works
>should I use other thing?
No

>>105675168
>>105678277
>>105677084
Is freezing a common thing with Mint? I thought it was just my hardware that was shitty.

>>105679559
>Why every fucking day there is

SAAAAARRRRRRRR

>>105680043
"freezing" can happen for a few reasons.
>RAM getting filled up while not having a swap file or earlyoom installed
>Intel CPUs (mainly laptop ones) have something called c-state bug which randomly freezes computers because the CPU tries to enter a different power state

>>105677850
sure bend over

>>105671810
Yes but it uses native GTK bindings instead of webshit.

I have used Mint Xfce in the past and liked it, it is really good. However, I'm on Xubuntu and haven't distro hopped in a million years.
Is there any reason to go back to Mint Xfce from Xubuntu, that also just works?

>>105680150
if it werks there's no reason to go back desu

>>105680150
see >>105680013

>>105680150
Mint Xfce is literally the Xubuntu Minimal ISO with Mint configs and applications. Install xfce4-about through apt, and launch that shit. Will straight up tell you that you are on Xubuntu already. This transforms your question into:
>Is there any reason to go back to Xubuntu from Xubuntu?

>>105671474 (OP)
actually now it's gentoo, if compiling is too time consuming then you can just use the --getbinpkg option to get binary packages instead of source packages

>>105680150
if you're still thinking about your desktop then you probably should

>>105680167
>>105680214
>>105680241
Fair enough, I won't waste time

>>105679956
>cures your distrohopping
The real cure for distrohopping is just doing something else other than just testing one distro after another. If your current distro is just working in your machine, why hopping to another? Most of the reasons you could point up can easily be solved by just "not doing it" or not asking for it at all. Stability? Stable distros only update when it's crucial, so don't ask for updates when you don't need. Bleeding edge? Just disable update notifications when you can, this way you can do so at your own pace or enable auto-update. Privacy? Restrain yourself from browsing NSFW content. Minimalism? Restrain yourself from downloading unnecessary apps, or download a CLI app if what you need has a CLI equivalent. I won't even bother mentioning any distro, because you might think I'm stealthily recommending said distro, so the distro you're using is the one I recommend you to use.

>cure for distro hopping
final pill is either mint or gentoo, pick between the best of the two extremes, or both.

>>105680673
> or both.
Or just settle for the golden mean with Arch.

>>105673986
Oh yeah, that too.
I remember this being a meme on some forum a long time back that “just works” was just code for “looks and feels like Windows”, but that's the same thing in terms of that the people saying it just like default settings that make things look and feel like windows.

>>105673990
No, people who complain that stuff doesn't “just work” often bitch about some thing not being set by default to their own obscure preferences which they delude themselves of that everyone would want it.

>>105675044
You do need to do shit to get it up and running. Mint doesn't install itself.
It's indeed
>Installs in the way I personally like and find intuitive.

I personally think these dialog windows for conigurations take far too much time because they're different everywhere so you have search under what menu what is while the nice things about commands is that they're very often posix universals and plain text text files can far more easily be searched and edited.

>>105680692
gentoo can be even more KISS than arch depending on how to build it

>>105680739
*on how you build it.

>>105680043
Well, I've been unfortunate to experience it quite a few times at least.
Some times my system will lock up, and after 20-30 seconds, my Firefox will automatically shut down, and my system start working again.
Other times the system will just completely brick, and no matter how long you wait, you'll still be forced to do a hard reset.

Because of Firefox sometimes closing, and the system starting to work again hereafter, I suspect it's caused by him.
But I also use so much custom "userChrome.css" and "userContent.css", as well as a bunch of add-ons, that I have a natural skepticism towards how stable this program actually is...

In regards to what >>105680072 is saying; I have 32GB of RAM, and sits stable below 10GB used.
Amount of RAM doesn't seem to be a factor in this.
I'm much more inclined to believe that swap-memory is to blame here, because I have my drive encrypted, and after doing 20+ sleep/hibernate cycles, the system starts to behave very janky. Stuff like stuttering audio et al.

I'm thinking about maybe not going with disk encryption for my next install, if anything just to test out my thesis.

>>105680739
>Depending on
That's really the issue. There is no depending on with Arch. The AUR consists almost entirely of tiny scripts that simply fetch the latest upstream code and build it into a package that just works without further effort. Build flags on Gentoo lead to there being an exorbitant amount of permutations.
I won't deny the merits of building a custom Gentoo system that takes only 30MB RAM after booting. Seeing Arch take up ten times the amount can be very demoralizing.

>>105680907
>There is no depending on with Arch.
that's bad, on arch you don't get to choose how you're gonna build it, people are just stuck with arch's default for everything.
>AUR
problem with AUR is that you have to manually update the packages and even with a helper most packages requires manual intervention all the time.
>Build flags on Gentoo lead to there being an exorbitant amount of permutations.
that goes with anything built from source, even /etc/makepkg.conf has compilation flags for source packages on archlinux but most arch users don't know about it. it's not a problem, the correct flags make a program more stable and faster for a specific cpu instead of generic flags that work on all computers.

>>105680739
There is nothing KISS any more about Arch more than any other system.
This was when it started and still had a Crux-style init system and a far simpler package manager while it kept out many things. It was really just a binary Crux when it started but now it's just a worse Fedora Rawhide in every way. All the same packages, and the same overengineering but just engineered worse.

>>105675289
>use case for packages, updates and security?

>>105680718
nah

>>105681950
this.

Debian with KDE, need it or sneed it?

>>105671474 (OP)
Just wish games worked a little better on it. I tried running Warframe with it, and it kept recompiling directX shaders for 40 minutes before starting and ran at ~30fps on a machine that can easily handle 60.

>>105682205
>debian
stable but too old
>debian with kde
>krashes

>>105680718
It's fine if you're an autist who already knows everything, GUI is ideal for new and experienced users.

>>105682040
>implying implications

>>105682231
>debian
>stable
Only in the sense of it being used as a server OS

>>105682233
Yeah, still not sure why that would mean it “just works”.
It indeed
>works like Windows does.

The only way things don't “just work” is if they have bugs.

>>105678377
That's what LMDE is for dummy

>>105680844
How large is the swap partition?
You did make a swap partition, r..right?

>>105671474 (OP)
Can it do DPI-scaling correctly now?

>>105677084
Looks more like your bluetooth device is failing, not a software issue.

>>105677233
I think he just didn't want to think about this issue anymore, but it's funny to think that the Jews performed Hasidic mind control (pulling resources) on him to get him on a neutral stance.

>>105671474 (OP)
Unless they start adding the ability to install the latest kernels instead of sperging about """""stable""""" kernels and having full wayland support its always going to be a hassle getting things to work.

>>105680384
kys Arch shill

>>105682546
oh right I forgot about this detail

>>105683191
>muh wayland support
You mean like FEDora where they foist it on you and it breaks a bunch of shit? So tired of hearing about this troon updooter nonsense

>>105671474 (OP)
SHUT THE FUCK UP TECHVEGAN

FUCK I just made a mint thread I didn't check to see if there already was one. I agreed on all points. This OS is 10 feet wide and 50 feet deep, and that's as much control/power I need.

>>105683162
Some people see through Hebrew AND Arab bullshit. It takes a little practice, but you can do it too one day.

>>105684644
Clearly not what Clem is doing there, he's just scared of kike retaliation for whatever reason. Still gonna use Mint anyway though since Debian is trooned

>>105673898
What it needs is standardization and a documented API. The only extension that actually works properly is gtile because random undocumented updates to Cinnamon over the years broke all of the extensions. Most of the extensions that you can download don't work on current versions of Mint.

>>105683057
No problems on win7 and win10 ltsc. Same machine.

>>105677906
Bluetooth manager.

>>105671474 (OP)
based pewds recently switched to mint as his main OS so i did too. it's litty

>>105673938
I can explain what just works mean anon.
>Use mint for 2 years
>Not a single bug
>Try any distro with KDE
>90% break from the first update
>100% SMB doesn't work out of the box and will need to fix some issues, this can be applied to many supposedly built in shit

>>105685588
Man I've hit that 10% of KDE not breaking in an update a long time, ey? Arch Linux, the most stable distro on the planet.

I bought a PC recently that had mint installed. I'm so lazy I left it installed until I could test it.
It's not staying though, it's not welcome. Arch or Fedora, that's what it will run. No room for mint in this household, certainly no room for ubuntu tier meme distros outside of RDNA4/ROCm use. Nuh uh.

By next week there will be 1 less mint user in the world.

>>105685875
>AI bot post
Real human beings know that the complaints about KDE have nothing to do with updates.

>>105685100
>based pewds recently switched to mint as his main OS so i did too

>>105675289
OSX doesn't and never has used X nor anything derived from X.
>Wayland is solving a non-existent problem of its own creation
Wayland has created exactly zero problems. It's merely a question of when its superior core design was featureful enough to be better than X, which was about three years ago now for most users. Large scale adoption by distros began at that time.

>>105686079
Nigger, read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XQuartz

>>105686204
Thanks for proving my point. That isn't OSX.

>>105684778
>Clearly not what Clem is doing there
Clearly you are retarded, because it is exactly what he said he's doing, and there's no evidence of your hebrew bogeyman attacking him in any way.

>>105686213
>In 2012, it formally replaced Apple's internal X11 app for OS X Mountain Lion (version 10.8). The name "XQuartz" derives from Quartz, part of the macOS Core Graphics framework, to which XQuartz connects these applications. XQuartz allows cross-platform applications using X11 for the GUI to run on macOS, many of which are not specifically designed for macOS. This includes numerous scientific and academic software projects.

>>105686065
me and pewds are both aryan af it's only natural we would pick up on the same thing via hyperborean soul magicks. you mad brownoid?

>>105686216
Thanks again for proving my point. An "X11 app" is all you need to know. OSX has never run X in the same manner Windows 98 isn't a DOS application. OSX has never run X, it has always had a different windowing system and that is what is really running everything.

>>105686228
>Apple's internal X11 app
>Apple's
>internal
>X11
>app

>>105673440
>https://linuxmint.com/store_mintbox3.php
>compulab
>CompuLab headquarters are located in Yokneam, Israel
kek, jewish money are too sweet

>>105671474 (OP)
This shit barely holds together, It always has some weird bugs that don't happen on Fedora or Arch.
IDK how all those desktop focused "stable" distros end up being buggier than fucking Arch and redhat's test bitch which Fedora is, is it because they are Ubuntu based?

>>105686253
Internal means internal corporately. It's not internal to the OS and isn't what the OS uses to display things.

btw what you're babbling repeatedly about is a compatibility layer in the same way xwayland is a compatibility layer.

>>105686299
Name a bug.

>>105686310
nm-applet randomly crashes and dissapears from panel. The average fag won't know that nm-applet is even called that and can just make it appear again by starting it from terminal.

IDK how shit like Arch just works (as much as Linux can be considered "just works") while the most popular linux distro (ubuntu in general) is buggy every time I have to use it.
Won't even comment on how broken the upgrade feature is that lets you upgrade to different major release version, just install the new thing by wiping the old installation.

>>105686368
>nm-applet randomly crashes and dissapears from panel
It doesn't.
>Won't even comment on
On the thing you go on to comment on.

Arch is an incredibly buggy distro with almost no testing done on its packages.

>>105686397
>It doesn't.
KEK, all you have to do is google what you just quoted. I happens on Mint 22 xfce and doesn't on Arch xfce.

>Arch is an incredibly buggy distro with almost no testing done on its packages.
Yea I know that and it's still less buggy than Mint which is based on LTS distro with a "lots of testing", in reality Canonical doesn't care much about anything outside their Main repo and Mint probably doesn't do any testing aside from "yes it runs" since it's derivative distro.

>>105686456
>all you have to do is google
Hmmm
btw Arch is much more buggy than Mint or any LTS distro. The handful of bugs that LTS distros actually have are well documented. Arch has constant issues every update, most individual packages do not get more than a few weeks of testing.

>>105671474 (OP)
Thanks for the lie. Just switched today and everything is so fucking janky. Games are crashing, characters are missing, EVERYTHING requires my password, and I had to restart multiple times just to use the system. What the fuck is this garbage? I installed Ubuntu recently and it wasn’t this bad.

>>105686501
Not convincing.

>>105686503
Your OS has 0.2% of the desktop market share.

>>105686551
This convinced everyone that characters are missing.

>>105686495
>any LTS distro
The difference between LTS distros is so big that your statement means nothing. Ubuntu(Mint too) is a buggy mess and I have the displeasure to use it every day.
>handful of bugs
let's not be delusional

Arch is buggy but over the last 10 years I had less problems with Arch than I had with Ubuntu based shit. And Arch is the only desktop distro that comes close to RHEL when it comes to documentation (if we can call the wiki that) since any other distro is "just go google and hope you find tutorial on random sites"

>>105686581
>The difference between LTS distros is so big
Well, not really, no. They have the commonality that they have long term testing on all of their packages.
>let's not be delusional
Then why are you talking that way? Ubuntu is commonly known for only having a handful of bugs that Stack Overflow handle fine. Arch has bugs with every single update because the packages aren't actually tested. This isn't up for debate.

Let's take a real example. UFS drives are common on shitty laptops nowadays and Ubuntu won't boot from them by default, because the UFS driver is considered experimental. Arch doesn't even come with the UFS driver, you have to install it yourself. Ubuntu just requires you to go to Stack Overflow and learn how to enable it, which is a single config command.

>>105685030
Are these the little guys inside my phone sending ultrasonic morse code to other devices?

>>105686652
No. As you know, your ear has three bones. That's them. Your phone only needs one guy with a cup and string.

>>105671474 (OP)
Its just so good isn't it? It's one of the few things I like so much I post about how much I like it whenever I see a thread.

>>105686626
You really think that everything in Multiverse and Universe is "actually tested"?

>>105687229
>but what about
Retard.

>>105687246
>but what about
about what? The repos that hold most of the software that users will use?

>>105682945
It's 2 gigs.
And yes, I did make one. Though I'm starting to contemplate what I wrote in >>105680844, because with over 20 GB of free RAM, seemingly at all times, I don't see how drive encryption would affect my stability, since my swap memory is basically never going to be used.

Or maybe it is being used. Sporadically. And the issue is that it's only 2 GB.

>>105687266
No, retard. We're talking about the actual OS. If Steam doesn't work then everyone understands that it's Valve's fault. No, Ubuntu doesn't manage what Valve puts in the repos and that is how it's supposed to be.

So yeah
>but what about
Retard.

>>105687275
>they have long term testing on all of their packages.
So only the Main repo?

>>105687321
So the actual thing you're installing on your computer? You look stupid taking this argument. You know full well nobody is talking about OS system stability when talking about a particular maintainer of Blender in a repo.

>>105687340
>they have long term testing on all of their packages.
That sounded different.

>>105687419
It doesn't and you also knew that before you typed that out. You are actively comparing real world OS issues to stuff like who maintains Blender in a given repo. While claiming to have a stake in which OS is stable.

>>105675120
>any app can read any other app's input.
How do you use Cheat Engine on Wayland?

>>105686626
>arch refusing to cater to poorfags
based

>>105687450
Is this a Wayland issue or is this the usual case of cheat applications being complete fucking shit, actual worse code known to man?

>>105687433
>It doesn't
It does
>real world OS issues
every major distro tests its most important packages, some more than others
>stable
what is stable?

>>105687531
>It does
It doesn't.
>every major distro tests its most important packages
Bullshit statement trying to worm your way out of what you've said.
>what is stable?
LOL see above.

All you've said so far is that the repo that has Blender in it might be suspect you think maybe. On a subject of things that actually matter like how the default packages interact with your hardware.

>>105686301
>It's not internal to the OS and isn't what the OS uses to display things
It is though.

>what you're babbling repeatedly about is a compatibility layer
For xserver, you idiot.

>>105687578
It isn't though.
>For xserver, you idiot.
It's a compatibility layer. There's never been a program that actually ran naked in OSX in X11 to the kernel.

>>105687552
>It doesn't.
It sounded like the Openbsd "Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time!" but with omitting the "in the default install" part.

All I said is that Ubuntu is buggy af and it is.

>>105687663
>All I said is that Ubuntu is buggy af
And you're wrong. That's why you've been trying to say stupid shit for an hour or two. Everyone can just read the above posts and see that.

>>105687680
You asked for bug, I gave you bug that will not be fixed because it's LTS and no one will update NM to latest version.

>>105686214
>um ackshually there's a lot of good arguments on both sides and it's a complicated issue tim pool ass response
vs
>sand nigger tribal warfare is not my problem lol git gud
Disingenuous faggot, bonus:
>""""hebrew boogeyman""""
you have to go back

>>105687711
Oh good he's finally given up.

Arch is full of the bugs you just described. People experiencing an LTS bug can just follow the semi-annual bug reports and apply the fix. As they are rapidly reported, because unlike Arch the community can strategically use that homogeneity. Arch users have to deal with this every two months with no testing.

Reconfiguring an applet isn't a big deal compared to the myriad problems Arch habitually has on the regular that are all at least as big a deal as what you've described so far. Again, everyone can just read the above posts and see that you're wrong. Everyone knows that Arch's testing system is barebones and that's the entire point, it just gives you the software as soon as it gets released on github.

I use Arch. This entire conversation, it's been the entire typical teenage retard trying to tell me what I already know. I use Ubuntu/Debian distros more often because I know better on most machines.

>>105687752
Here I have even simpler answer.
He loves money.

>>105687770
Damn, I wonder who would potentially threaten that stream of money? Must be Arabs fucking their goats in the desert or something. Poop bucket ass nigger, waiting to reply instantly to any JIDF prompt, or chatbot, call it.

>>105687764
>it just gives you the software as soon as it gets released on github.
That is objectively wrong. Arch holds back packages that cause major breakages until they can be safely dropped to users. Obviously it isn't Slackware-tier tested, but the bar for leaving the testing repos is well above "it builds, ship it".

You are both retards arguing over which perfectly fine distro is more imperfect.

>>105687764
>myriad problems
you are not just retarded you are a shill
And the NM bug will not be fixed until you update to version 1.36. The solutions from mint forums is to just restart it every time it crashes.

>>105687811
>Arch holds back packages that cause major breakages until they can be safely dropped to users.
No Arch doesn't. They do at most two months of testing, in reality less, until it works on their machine.

An Ubuntu package not only has to pass Canonical, it has to pass like six months of Debian testing before Canonical even gets to it.

>>105687764
>>105687811
Manjaro has the best balance. It's not months out of date, but you still get new shit bug-free before Fedora and Ubuntu

>>105687830
This shit is buggier than arch itself and I don't know how they achieve it.

>>105687830
Manjaro isn't stable but if you are trying to say it it actually has some testing then that's fine. Arch really doesn't.

>>105687834
>This shit is buggier than arch itself
Works on my machine

>>105687770
>>105687789
>Did you know that the lead maintainer and developer of Linux Mint is a greedy venture capitalist, desperately selling himself out for gibs?
>Extremely wealthy and influential Arab states don't have every major politician in the world in their back pockets, we all fuck goats, I swear :^]
Retarded samefag deflection.

anyone ITT dual boot?

>>105682898
This is such a midwit take I don't even know where to begin.

>>105688340
Yes. Fedora + Win 7 on one box. Debian + Win 8.1 on another. Alma + Haiku on another.

>>105688340
Arch/Win10 on separate HDDs. Doing it on the same HDD is not worth.

>>105688380
why isnt it worth it?

>>105688387
Too much of a mess with the partitioning + windows likes to fuck up the bootloader if you have to reinstall since it's windows, it can even happen after update.
I just have two 1TB HDDs and I have the choice to not give Windows any access to the Linux part by unplugging the HDD.

>>105671474 (OP)
why does it ask me to log in so many times

>>105675204
Fedora KDE is pretty comfy. but cinnamon takes waay less RAM than KDE
>>105677084
if you're a brainlet that can't read the error:notification then you deserve the pain, im sorry.
it says how to resolve it right there in the notification! run it ... stop being a baby duck
im sure /g/ has plenty of error messages from all distros all around

>>105688208
You're trying too hard Kikelberg, tone it down a little

>>105683272
I never used Arch itself, only its derivates (Endeavour), and I'm not using it right now.

>>105673938
>>This thing has default settings that I happen to personally like.
Yep, that's about it.

>>105691451
Says the guy promoting some retarded idea about Clem getting sucked into a political bribery conspiracy because he made a blog post you didn't like.

I've recently installed Linux Mint on my Surface laptop - the idea being to dip a toe into using an alternative to Windows 10 rather than the W11 abomination, and I won't lie, it's been an absolutely miserable experience.

>>105693530
should have gone with ubuntu instead, bazzite if youre a gamerfag

>>105671474 (OP)
Mint is very stable with a very agreeable default set of tools.
I've distrohopped ~once per year for the past several years and I'm both started and ended on Mint. It's nice to be home after spenaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAakkkkkkdkkkkkkk

>>105691178
>can't read the error:notification

>could no get activated
It didn’t even get proofread to begin with.

>>105691178
Then use Fedora Cinnamon.

>>105693530
what can't you do

>>105696251
this guy is right

>>105696287
It's not so much 'what I'm unable to do', vs. 'the OS is getting in the way and making my life difficult, compared to the previous OS I was using'. For example: two-finger touchpad scrolling is fucked. There's no way of changing it in Settings, and the only actionable solution I'd found (besides 'yeah shit's fucked, get used to it' or 'why would you want that') is picrel, which beggars belief.

Mounting network locations is a chore, but, whatever, after enabling SMBv1 (?!) I can get into my synologynas.local box in the file explorer. Not through Tailscale though, still haven't worked that out.

It doesn't properly lock the system when the lid's closed.

And, here's an esoteric one: when trying to download files with long filenames in Vivaldi, it complains and pops up a 'save as' dialogue, insisting that I change the filename. Rather than simply truncating the filename and downloading anyway. A small thing, yes, but it worked just fine with the previous OS.

Oh, and system notifications are ugly. No way of customising them that I can see.

There's probably more. That's just what I've dealt with in the past week or so, though. Now reply telling me I'm holding it wrong or something

>>105696251
based

>>105678480
Sooo... It's useless? Got it.

>>105671474 (OP)
I use it as my main OS but i'm not delusional, i realize it's full of bugs

>>105697554
>It doesn't properly lock the system when the lid's closed.
I don't remember the last time I used a distro that had that shit working out of the box lmao it's a mess
also gestures are hack-y by nature until Mint fully supports Wayland, which should happen by next release. There should be an experimental session on your login screen if you want to try it out already. notifications are also tied to whatever theme you're using, I believe, so you'd either have to change it or see if the settings page offers anything you want to change. don't know about the other ones

>>105671474 (OP)
>no proper GPU control panel

>>105701527
Nvidiachads don’t have this problem, maybe get a real GPU next time.

>>105673740
neat

>>105673440
gigabased