linux-firmware >= 20250613.12fe085f-5 upgrade requires manual intervention

With 20250613.12fe085f-5, we split our firmware into several vendor-focused packages. linux-firmware is now an empty package depending on our default set of firmware.

Unfortunately, this coincided with upstream reorganizing the symlink layout of the NVIDIA firmware, resulting in a situation that Pacman cannot handle. When attempting to upgrade from 20250508.788aadc8-2 or earlier, you will see the following errors:

linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad103 exists in filesystem
linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad104 exists in filesystem
linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad106 exists in filesystem
linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad107 exists in filesystem

To progress with the system upgrade, first remove linux-firmware, then reinstall it as part of the upgrade:

# pacman -Rdd linux-firmware
# pacman -Syu linux-firmware

>>105671507 (OP)
Aside for study on the OS (and i'm being generous) can someone explain to me what fucking purpose does Arch serves? Like if you want a rolling release you don't necessarily need to cope with shit breaking every now and then, just use void.

>>105671555
Having a pethora of packages you could mindlessly install through the AUR.

literal nothingburger
run 2 commands and it fixes it

don't care, still using Arch

>>105671555
Void sucks

>>105671507 (OP)
Rolling distributions occasionally require manual intervention, more news at 11.

>>105671555
it's the alpha testing distro

POGGERS

>>105671555
AUR, removing the need to reinstall your system ever, having the newest libs which is a must for development.

>>105672641
based CachyOS dev making arch great again.

>>105671507 (OP)
Modularizing the firmware is based, now I can finally remove unneeded Nvidishit and AMD firmware

>>105671507 (OP)
Just load the back up honey it shouldnt take you more than 5 seconds.

>>105671507 (OP)
Lmao, couldn't be me

>>105671507 (OP)
it tells you what to do right there

>>105671507 (OP)
yes, that's why arch is intended for advanced users,

I released that this is the case before reading the blog post,
I recovered in like 5 seconds.

sneed.

>>105672755
>removing the need to reinstall your system ever
anon... we get it, you were a Windows user before moving to the meme distro that is arch, but here are some news for you:
none of the main distros require the user to ever reinstall anything. you can always update to the latest release from your favorite package manager.

>>105671507 (OP)
You need to get a different hobby if copy pasting two commands is too much for you.

>>105673841
I never had a clean upgrade on any distros I had before. Something always got fucked up and I needed a clean reinstall. That said, I was a noob back then but if I'm going to spend time troubleshooting upgrades, I'd rather use arch.

>>105673893
why should i want to babysit updates when i just want to use my computer? ubuntu/fedora doesnt have this issue

Installed the update. That was easy. If they know the exact commands that will fix it, why can't they just tell pacman to run them?

>>105671555
It's a way for Fedora to push out alpha testing before they push out beta testing for their own brain dead users. Arch is the one true distro for people that believe they're smarter than they really are. It's defectively Fedora without an installer. Most of their users don't know how to manually compile software. Every package and the shit from AUR just yolo's and enables every dependency for each package. Hard dependency on systemd and related cancer. Terrible package manager. Terrible support from the "community". Constantly pushing new cancer on to users then claiming it's "cutting edge" and "close to upstream". Never pushes back against upstream or creates original projects like (old) Gentoo.

Truly the OS for someone that enjoyed taking it up the ass. Nothing original has ever come out of Arch. But the users can LARP about being Linux haxxors and running "minimal" systems with it for their pretty screenshots they upload to reddit. It's like the modern "activists" that never do anything of value but refuse to shut the fuck up and constantly go around annoying everyone while making demands that you add CoC to your project or change the rules to suit their sensibilities even though they're never going to contribute anything.

It's real, Arch is finished. I am going back to Uboongo,

>>105673893
>i-it's just a little hobby OS! it doesn't need to work!
Kek, tinkertrooning is not even a real hobby

>>105672504
isnt that Fedora

>>105675248
it's so over for lintards

Imagine being so retarded that you can't follow simple and basic instructions on how to fix pacman issues from Arch Linux's newsfeed and you get filtered in the process. Those "i use arch btw" faggots who can't fix their system deserve to get lined up and shot for their mental retardation.

>>105675587
Dude we've had this issue before, everyone knows how to reinstall a package.

>>105675506
It does "work". Are you unironically retarded?

>linux problem
>look inside
>nvidia problem

>>105675218
What is good then? I use fedora and enjoy it. Debian is good too, but no updates.

>>105675613
It doesn't
>but it's someone else's fault/problem
Don't care
An OS that does not break is unambiguously better for all usecases other than fucking around

yeah it absolutely shouldn't happen. I instinctively check their website if pacman shits itself though, if it's not my fault there will be an announcement there

>>105671507 (OP)
>CANCEL ALL MY APPOINTMENTS
It's literally a 2-step process, sperglord

>>105675173
wdym "tell pacman to run them"
pacman is on your computer. (((They))) cannot update pacman for you lol
(pacman updates pacman itself)

>>105671507 (OP)
Are you telling me my arch system that runs pacman -Syu in a crontab is going to have problems?

>>105676392
oh shit, it was actually having problems

>>105676392
Yeah. You need to take manual steps. The ones mentioned in the post. Should be a quick fix. Don't reboot in between those commands.

>>105676363
btw isn't it kinda wild that pacman is a package, that's managed by pacman

haha

>>105675173
If you wanted a package manager to do things for you without your intervention, maybe Windows is more your speed

>>105672641
>the only thing left on multilib is steam
I HATE THESE LAZY FAGGOTS SO MUCH

>>105676400
You don't need linux-firmware in vms or containers

>>105676392
>my arch system that runs pacman -Syu in a crontab
these are the people complaining about how arch is unstable and always breaking
fucking morons

>>105676488
nah actually it's worked fine for me
i don't even need to read arch news as long as anons keep posting threads like this on /g/

>>105676408
>Don't reboot in between those commands.
What happens if you do?

>>105676577
What do you think would happen if you removed linux-firmware and rebooting without it?

>>105676577
let's uninstall the kernel and reboot, what could possibly go wrong?

>>105676577
Sorry your right. I should have explained. It makes nerve gas.

>>105675173
In enough cases it requires some kind of decision to be made. The most recent that affected me was selecting a distribution of java.
You can have pacman fetch news and print the last however many entries. That might help streamline things for you.

>>105676363
I obviously mean when you write pacman -Syu, or otherwise when you update linux-firmware, it would automically run the fix

>>105671597
>>105672755
AUR is shit.

>>105676722
ummm o3-pro says you're wrong

>>105676722
pacman tries to avoid doing more than what you tell it to do. when it can do something harmless on package conflict it does, like making /etc/cock.pacnew instead of replacing /etc/cock. but in this case it's a fucking mess because of upstream shenanigans and the only way to deal with it cleanly is to just wipe it all and reinstall, which is not safe to do automatically because it might break a user hotfix or something.
if pacman sees a problem it can't fix it stops so it doesn't accidentally rape your install. it's intentional

Used Arch for 6 years, switched to Ubuntu Server. Can get everything I need from the AUR with makedeb. Arch is the teenager larping as a hacker of Linux distros

>>105676840
My OS doesn't have this problem because it isn't designed by retards that have no concept of a base system

>>105676932
retard

>>105677048
?

>>105677066
whats the point of explaining anything to a retard

>>105677075
You're the retarded retard, retard

>>105671507 (OP)
That sounds like a non-issue. I run Fedora and just this last month, they pushed a buggy Mutter update which required manual intervention. I had to download the downgraded rpm packages from the their koji buildsystem or whatever the fuck and then manually downgrade the packages using dnf. Then a week later they pushed a buggy Mesa update which made all my GTK4 apps show a blank black screen. Fedora made my system literally unusable twice this month.

Then there was the whole debacle about the OpenH264 package being outdated with a known security vulnerability ranked 8.6/10 and only Fedora didn't update their package...for more than 3 months. Yes, Fedorafags were running a highly insecure system for multiple months without even knowing anything about it.

You are crying about running two commands? Remove a package and then reinstall the package? That's it? And it only affects you if you are a Nvidia fag?

You know what you just did? You convinced me to switch from Fedora to Arch. Thanks, anon.

another common windows W

Do any of you here actually write software that is used? Just a bunch of Arch tinker trannies / playing Steam / asserting their "software freedom"?

>>105677122
I rice my desktop and regularly post in desktop threads of /g/

>>105677122
my dotfiles are being used by 10 thinkcenters at home

>>105671507 (OP)
>linux-firmware-nvidia
>nvidia
Found the problem. Stop using NoVidya. They are hostile to Loonix.

>>105671555
>can someone explain to me what fucking purpose does Arch serves?
Getting the latest shit within a week of release instead of six months to a year later.

KDE's 6.4 update relased on Tuesday and was on Arch by Friday. I'm sure Fedora (the Explorer) and a few other Distros got it maybe 1-2 days earlier if working closely with KDE, but shit like Debian won't get 6.4 until Winter and/or Spring '26 at the rate they go.

>>105673471
Ah, I see you are a man of Intel GPUs.

>>105676438
You would still need 32-bit trash for old native Linux games

>>105677096
>>105677208
to be clear this still needs manual intervention even if you don't use nvidia, you have to either follow the instructions giving you all the firmware from before (including nvidia's), or if you don't want all of it you still have to manually uninstall linux-firmware and install the ones you want

>>105671507 (OP)
Wow, thanks. I wouldn't even notice that something is wrong when updating if not for this thread.

Linux
>Have issue
>Run two commands
>Not have issue
Windows
>Have issue
>Reinstall Windows

>>105671754
Post your BMI right now

>>105677651
More like
>reinstall Windows
>still have issues

>>105677651
>>105677679
winjeets btfo

>>105677651
More like Linux:
>have issue even though you did nothing because FUCK YOU, every part of your system is a package that can break whenever it decides to
>spend your afternoon tinkertrooning
>repeat
Windows
>just works

Usecase for nshitia firmware?
Is there a config file i can use to debloat this rework or am i going to have to manually pick out my firmware now?

>>105675141
The only time I ever tried Ubuntu it resulted in a boot failure so every time I powered off my computer it had to be reinstalled. When I attempted to reinstall Windows it had somehow fucked something up so I was no longer able to install Windows on my device.

I would never use Ubuntu again.

>>105671507 (OP)
I still want to know why Nvidia shit is pre packaged into an update, especially when I’m running AMD.
Who’s at fault here? Nvidia, the maintainers…?

>>105675664
So you aren't talking about windowns then, macos is your choice? Oh wait, that breaks too...

>>105678137
Arch isn't as configurable as you were led to believe.
If you want to get rid of nvidia blobs, you literally have to use Gentoo and you still MIGHT get nvidia blobs through linux-firmware package since it's not source.

>>105678137
they're already unbundling the firmware package what more do you want

>>105678167
Interesting. Guess we’ll always have “unnecessary” packages no matter what.
>>105678176
Nothing, that was just a simple question about who and why. I already used the fix.

>>105678200
I mean, what else could the reason be other than oversight?
They wanted a single package that works for every installation but with the consequence of bloat, but Arch users are more likely to be autistic about keeping necessary packages and removing bloat so they could've just separated them from the start

>>105672755
>having the newest libs which is a must for development.
Most of the developers who run Linux use Ubuntu and do fine with it

>>105672195
only arch and arch-based ones do.

>>105672755
there are other rolling-release distros without the annoyances of arch and pacman

>>105678467
>only arch and arch-based ones do.
you absolute fucking 'tard

>>105671507 (OP)
Wait, how do Fedora and Debian package managers avoid this?

>>105678667
Apparently Debian can handle a one-to-many package split like this. The new packages declare a Replaces on the old package, and everything is taken care of including if the file type changes (e.g. symlink to regular file). It just cares about package ownership of pathnames.

pacman doesn't have this, e.g. it can't have a file of one type be overwritten by a file of another type.

Not sure about Fedora.

>>105677651
Windows takes 10 minutes to reinstall and all my programs are portable, I don't even need internet to get everything set back up
When linux has a problem you're stuck reading reddit and stackoverflow hoping someone else has the same issue, otherwise it's cope with pic related.

>>105671754
This. There have been cases of Arch genuinely shitting the bed but this wasn't it. Upcoming problem clearly communicated, with a provided two-line fix, no unexpected behavior and zero downtime. I'm okay with this.

>>105671555
It is an operating system, your computer needs an operating system to run programs at the application layer and to develop software. Programmers in particular need Linux skills. I have used multiple distros, including Ubuntu and Mint. I personally prefer Arch as I can install only the packages I need. Am also physically fit. If you sit on a computer all day you should watch what you eat and exercise as well. It is also good to take regular screen breaks.

>>105671555
>breaking
Nothing broke for me
I just followed the instruction.
Also manjaro's dev made empty packages to upgrade to, so after a week you don't need to do this even
Just run yay.

>>105671555
Void is fucking dogshit. I've seen far more fuckups with that distro than Arch.

>>105679006
>Also manjaro's dev made empty packages to upgrade to, so after a week you don't need to do this even
I just solved this problem with the commands in OP and I have no idea what you're talking about. Which empty package and how would that help?

>>105678752
Read the OP properly you dumb monkey.

>>105671555
Watching KDE krash in full glory on every major release

>>105679070
Yeah nah, get fucked mate.

Why don't people Read The Fantastic Manual?
Honestly just follow the advice on the arch wiki.
>>105675173
Revert to MacOS please.
>>105676392
>pacman -Syu in a crontab
Why?
Do you have rm -fr /* in crontab as well?
>>105676577
It won't boot, and would throw missing firmware error.
You can chroot from live USB and run pacman and it would work.
You can also have timeshift installed, and use it
>>105676840
>trusting AI
>>105676932
What's the kernel version you're on?
>>105677096
>You know what you just did? You convinced me to switch from Fedora to Arch.
welcome to the brotherhood, enjoy your complimentary loli but totally legal gf.
>>105677122
I wrote script that download the hottest 5 threads on /gif/

>>105679053
Are you on arch or manjaro?
Basically you create empty package and push it up the main stream.
So when a package split or something you can just updoot like normal
>Package A will be split into multiple packages soon
>Primitively you make Package A update to package A-1 and package A-2 (empty)
>When the upgraded version with the split comes in
>package A-1 is there and will upgraded
>package A-2 is there and will be upgraded
So it's a placeholder.

WOW took me entire 20 seconds to fix as a complete fucking noob who switched to loonix five months ago.
>>105677847
>install windows
>pls connect to internet
>no ethernet drivers
>look for ethernet drivers on a different device
>windows tm doesn't recognize the certificates of the driver
>look again
>no drivers found
>finally find the drivers it likes
>pls log into your microsoft account
>can't proceed without doing so
>congrats you got a free month trial of msoffice!
>would you like to subscribe for 4.99 a month
>would you like more onedrive space for 1.99 a month
>installing updates...
>10 minutes later finally boot
>everything is slow as shit, second monitor doesn't work
>have to update all the drivers manually because windows thinks they're up to date
>update available
>update again
>another fucking ad after the update
>finally it works and the slowdown is gone
This is not an exaggeration. I installed win11 on my brothers pc three weeks ago.

>>105679210
I agree, it took me 4 hours to setup a Windows 10 on a Huawei laptop

>>105679210
this

im having trouble with the new kernel (6.15.3) but decided I dont give a fuck since it took me less time to fix it than the time spenr waiting for the captcha
arch jus werks

Lmao arch users are the most insufferable faggots in existence, holy shit. Get a real fucking hobby like playing guitar or reading books or collecting firearms. Jesus fuck, go outside niggers.

t. Chad MacOS user

By the way, I got laid this morning and I’m heading into my awesome job where I solve real problems using cutting edge technology. You know what we use? Ubuntu.

>>105677672
Cope and seethe

>>105676438
the funny thing is, steam made the launcher 64bit for macOS, it's in the beta

>>105679267
How can a phone measure vo2

>>105679563
You can make a pretty solid estimate with heart rate data

>>105675628
If you want Archlinux with easy way to fix problems, try NixOS unstable. Unless some update royally fucks up your configs, you can always roll back to the previous OS state in grub menu. When my GPU started randomly hanging after Mesa update, switching back to the older Linux version was just a matter of changing one number.

>>105679267
Laat time i measuring VO2, I was tied to a machine running on Windows 2000 laptop while running on a treadmill.

Nobody cares what you NEETs think. Keep reinstalling your literal asperg distro

>>105679820
That's an actual measurement of the gasses going in and out then but you can make a prediction based on heart rate and some other stuff Without directly measuring it

>>105675173
>I want other people to have remote access to my computer
Sir, this is Arch, not Windows.

>>105677208
Nigger, that's in the kernel. You want me to compile from scratch without it? I'm not a gentroon.

>>105678137
Linus for being a libtard niggerlover.

>>105678667
By being 5 years behind upstream. Don't worry, in 2030 you will have the same problem.

>>105680132
>mfw my phone only does this if you're doing an outdoor run, walk or hike
REEEEE US INDOOR CARDIOGODS ARE OPPRESSED

>>105679267
heb je vandaag pannenkoeken gegeten?

>>105680628
Nee kheb havermout gegeten deze morgen en vanmiddag sla en pasta enz

>>105680315
Become an outside Chad where music has been deprecated by birds in the woods

>>105677847
>T. guy who has never used Windows before
I can't even get my Windows 11 to update because apparently it's no longer supported according to Microsoft lmao.

>>105671507 (OP)
>upgrade requires manual intervention
lol

>>105671507 (OP)
>nvidia
you deserve everything bad that happens to you, faggot.

>>105675621
many such cases.

>>105681070
same. had to manually install Win11 on my dev vm, because I couldn't upgrade from Win10.

>>105681128
Your situation is a bit less retarded than mine, at least it was Windows 10. I mean I literally have Windows 11... And it can't be updated to the latest version because it's not supported. HELLO?! Microsoft what the fuck.
How is this even real.

>>105680207
I'm installing software from the repo, then running that software. You aren't very smart, are you?

my suspend function has been messed up
i've tried rolling back a few versions backwards for the kernel and the systemd components

but i still have this issue since 2-3 days

>>105676392
>>105676392
>running pacman in cron
this guy is insane

>>105672755
>having the newest libs which is a must for development.
Most people don't run Arch, though.
If anything, you want older libs to ensure compatibility.

>>105671507 (OP)
Just use gentoo saaaaar bro. For me it has NEVER broken by itself in the last 10y.

>>105671555
It's the only usable bleeding edge operating system, everything else is either untested bugware, abandonware, or outdated.

>>105671507 (OP)
Im using arch for a year and a half and never had a issue with the system breakjng that was the fault of a new update or installing something. Only time grub broke was when updating windows 11 while having a dual boot.

kek I knew a thread like this would show up

>>105683137
10 years? Is that how long it took to compile a browser?

I don't understand how people have trouble with maintaing Arch. I've had the same install for over six years on an old XPS laptop and have never had an issue that took me more then a minute to solve.
Just check the RSS thread before you run Pacman and you'll dodge 99% of issues.

sudo pacman -Sybau

>>105683569
>dual boot T2 mac with arch
>update borks X and wayland because of some applel incompatibility
>decide I'll fix it later
>2 years pass
>Finally decide to fix arch install
>re-init keys to update
>tons of conflicts
>lazily just -Syudd in hopes it'll just work
>no longer boots
I've only been able to fuck arch by being a retard or by running it on known iffy hardware like a macbook. It truly does just filter retards

>>105683794
i run sudo pacman -Syu all the time simply because its hilarious, and it hasnt broken anything yet

>>105683715
does this make nerve gas

>>105682976
lemao
i fixed it

>>105671555
>up-to-date packages, newer flashier features, support of newer hardware, faster bugfixes, up-to-date dev libraries for easier development
>AUR makes it easy to install obscure software by automating the whole git clone ./configure make make install or ./configure cmake . make make install or whatever rigmarole, can also write your own PKGBUILD to install and update said obscure packages automatically, PKGBUILDs are easy to write
>surprisingly stable despite its reputation, mostly caused by:
>simple package manager that's simple to fix if something fucks up (case in point this OP; just run two commands and it's fixed).
You don't know what "shit breaking" actually means until you've dealt with Debian's and Ubuntu's package manager.

>distro with cringest name legit the least cringe to use every day

>>105683896
before using arch, i was using linux mint on my desktop
never again, what you say about ubuntu, is true for mint too + on mint i couldn't even update to the new mint release, so i had a very old kernel and my AMD GPU that i bought some time afterwards, would not work properly

>>105671555
>what fucking purpose does Arch serves?

It's literally a just work distro. You setup once and forget forever.
You don't have to fuck around with 3000 PPAs,
You don't have to deal with appimages/flatpaks/spans.
You don't have to deal with migration when your version loses support.
Development doesn't get drag down by endless red tape bureaucracy.
New features don''t get held hostage by the whims of tranny devs
You don't have to spend hours removing all the bloat and changing retarded settings,

I used to hate linux and only used begrudgingly before switching to Arch. Now I love it, because the team have the right approach.
My "media center" has a 12yo install, my desktop is 5 and my thinkpad is 3.

And I really don't get why are people always crying about broken installs. It only happen to me once and it was 100% my fault for trying to thinker with experimental nvidia drivers that went way beyond my knowledge at the time. Every thing else is easily reversible and fixable just like the OP issue. It must be people copying and pasting commands from reddit and stack overflow.
Like, just read the wiki, niggers.

>>105684578
>You don't have to spend hours removing all the bloat and changing retarded settings,
This part is wrong. Arch does have some retarded settings. I dunno if it would take hours, but it's definitely something you'll spend time on unless you're ok with the retarded settings.

>>105683102
I just did it because it's funny, and it works 99% of the time

>linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad103 exists in filesystem
>linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad104 exists in filesystem
>linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad106 exists in filesystem
>linux-firmware-nvidia: /usr/lib/firmware/nvidia/ad107 exists in filesystem

I deleted them from the directory and then updated and everythings been fine so far. Haven't played any games yet though.

>>105684903
it'll still work.

>>105677847
>windows
>not breaking on updates

>>105684903
>>105684922
Yeah, can confirm. Games still play fine

>>105671754
noooo you cant you just CANT!!!

this thread convinced me to use arch

if you use anything else you're retarded and gay

>>105677122
>Just a bunch of Arch tinker trannies / playing Steam / asserting their "software freedom"?
you resumed /g.

>>105672755
>using system libs for development
LMAO

>>105684617
substantiate your claim!

>>105671507 (OP)
>linux-firmware-nvidia

so, what happens if I do a fresh arch install now, will it brick something?

>>105688038
nothing should really change for you, but if you're installing manually you now have the option to only install the specific linux-firmware-* packages you need instead of installing everything through the linux-firmware package

>>105688151
I see, yeah I was always installing manually, was just curious. thanks

>>105671555
Convenience
It's that simple.

>>105687119
For example. Split_lock_detection defaults to on in Arch, this is awful for desktop users because they may run software that triggers it and that causes performance issues while it doesn't help them at all, because nobody is going to log in as a second user and try to DOS them with split locks.
Intel HDA has power management turned on, which will cause audio drops. Really annoying.

Is two enough? I can't remember any serious ones off the top of my head beside these, most of the other ones I remember are more niche.

>>105683569
I switched to Arch Linux from Windows 10 about 4 months ago. I asked a friend for advice on which distro to pick, I also told him that I'm not too afraid of the terminal (most normalfags utterly shit themselves when they see a black screen with white / green text). He told me to try Arch and that he will help me if I need to fix something and that the Archwiki is very good. He also told me that in his experience switching to Arch directly cuts off a lot of unnecessary distrohopping because you can get comfortable with Linux quickly if you are not afraid.

I had some issues in the beginning, but they were all caused by my lack of knowledge about Linux commands. Once I learned the basics it became much easier to work with Arch. I riced it to suit my preferences, installed the things I need and done. All that's missing is fixing wine to run some old RTS games, but I'm a bit lazy to do that now.

All in all, I really like Arch. It gives me a lot of control over the system without being too much work. I don't have the patience or technical skills to compile everything from source, although that day may come soon. Gentoo seems interesting.

>>105689594
Don't bother with gentoo unless you really need stuff compiled from source. It's pointless exercise in autism to use gentoo on single PC.

>>105689633
you can compile stuff from source on Arch too
(although you'll need to do it again when there's an update)

>>105689633
>pointless
Just out of curiosity, when would Gentoo be useful if it's a waste of time to use it on just 1 computer? For server use maybe?
I flashed the ISO on a usb out of curiosity, if it matters.

>>105689780
I found that out by accident some days ago. You see, I wanted to try out librewolf for a bit and I accidentally pulled the wrong package from the repo (librewolf instead of librewolf-bin which comes pre-compiled) and my laptop got to work. After 28 minutes of compiling it spat out an error message and aborted the procedure, some issue with rust messed up the compiling. When that was over I installed the pre-compiled package and it was done in a minute.
I think I got the Gentoo experience that day, at least a part of it :P

>>105689594
Nice
Epic
I like it

>>105689865
you have multiple computers that are the same, you compile once with optimizations that target them and then distribute binary packages to all PCs instead of compiling on every single PC.
I think that's why google used gontoo for ChromeOS, Gentoo package manager is pretty good for this.

>>105671507 (OP)
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/informant

Here you all go. This provides a pacman hook that lets you know if there are any news items you need to read before updating. It's pretty unnecessary, though--in all my years of using Arch, I don't think I've ever encountered a genuinely breaking change. It's virtually always minor packaging changes like this. Once a year or every other year, I get an update that doesn't work right away, immediately check the Arch news, then fix the problem with 2 commands.

If you can figure out Arch, you can figure out a better distro like Debian/Ubuntu. Use makedeb for AUR packages, use Flatpak. Or use Fedora/Copr.

>>105690213
Use case for Debian/Ubuntu when Arch exists?

I get a blank screen on boot :(

Someone on Arch Linux forums says this is related to bad linux-firmware-amdgpu, only affects 9060/9070 cards.

>>105690213
So why exactly would you want to work a lot harder to make Debian into Arch by using pacman and/or yay on debian if you could just use arch to begin with?

>>105690259
Comes preconfigured so you can write production code instead of tinker trooning.
Has a better package manager and repos (only annoying thing that I found so far is the libxcb split). Use --no-install-recommends if a package is pulling in too many features.
Has a way larger community behind it that takes stability and production releases seriously
Can be updated early (I could update to 25.10 today), and rolling release is highly overrated

>>105690334
Arch also comes pre-configured... I don't even like the default configuration because it's way too security/server focused.

>>105688266
NTA but from my experience, arch is just about the least convenient linux distro I've ever tried. Having a gorillion unnecessary updates per day, many of them requiring a reboot is just a huge pain in the dick compared to something like Debian where you can neglect the shit out of everything for months and it'll be fine

>>105690342
Arch isn't preconfigured. It uses upstream configuration only, so you can tinker troon a working system.

>>105690351
>Having a gorillion unnecessary updates per day,
this nigga running pacman and then complaining that it's updating his computer

>>105690067
Alright, that makes sense. I might try Gentoo in the future if I ever decide to have a little home server. Until then, I will abstain from Gentoo.

>>105690259
It's less of a pain in the ass to install and use in the long term than Arch.

>>105671507 (OP)
If it makes you feel any better if you're using a 5000 series card with a encrypted drive on tumbleweed the latest version with the new version of KDE won't boot properly due to plymouth bugs and there's a driver mismatch between the free and cuda drivers which you're forced to use with a 5000 series card breaks the nvidia driver because of version mismatch.
Thank goodness you can rollback right?

>>105690376
The whole point of a rolling release is constant updates, but, as a user they're just annoying. So arch is kind of a solution in desperate need of a problem, especially with the annoying CLI install where you're manually copying over files to set the time zone like it's the 90s as if linux installers haven't been well figured out by now
>oh but there's a python script now
last time I tried it, it sucked. and by even having it they're basically admitting that there's no reason not to just have an installer rather than cocking around with chroot

>>105683794
>It truly does just filter retards
>>105689594
>the Archwiki is very good
This isn't talked about enough, how a small amount of gatekeeping results in an infinitely better user experience.
Years ago, when I used Ubuntu, I'd have several issues where I'd sift through loads of bad advice on Stack Overflow and the official forums, and if I'd find it, it would be buried under loads of people asking generic "how do I install a package?" questions.
With Arch, the wiki is both a huge knowledge resource as well as a good how-to guide and if the wiki doesn't have the solution, the forum will, paired with an explanation of the fault and how to fix it.

Makes me more adamant that the consumer Linux Desktop should try it's darndest to never expose the user to the terminal.

>>105690383
You can try gentoo for fun and learning. Servers are made for boring distros that are supported for so long you start wondering if you gonna be alive to see the EOL of the version.


>>105690351
nigga I update once per month, sometimes once every few months If I forget.

arch - update twice a day, troubleshoot your OS twice a week

>>105690506
works on my machine

>>105690466
works on my machine

Do you people not rollback and use snapshots?

>>105690353
That is pre-configured. To the fucking defaults.

>>105690524
I would love to have btrfs that's not garbage. Bcachefs ended up being a meme like everyone predicted.

>>105690498
Well, so far, I found everything I needed on the wiki and on the Arch forums. I get why the RTFM culture is there, some things get asked often and they are already written down, you just have to read. I didn't need to post anything on the forums so far because I didn't have many too specific issues.
One thing about the wiki, it was a bit hard to understand it in the beginning, but that's because I didn't know some technical terms. It gets easier to understand over time.

>>105690500
Maybe I'll try it in a VM one day. That could still be interesting.

Thanks anons.

>>105671507 (OP)
skill issue

>>105690520
this

>>105690466
Archinstall works fine for 95% of the install. Gets rid of all that humiliation ritual stuff you mentioned like timezone. Only part it trips up in my experience is with profile configuration especially graphics drivers so probably better to just go with minimal profile and install graphics + DE after.

I'd even say the script configuration is less clunky than some GUI setups in user friendly distro install media.

>>105690670
Manjaro used to have cli install and it was better and idk if you even remember how buggy manjaro was in the beginning.

>>105689865
I just use the librewolf-bin package because despite having a beefy computer I don't really want to compile after every update, with sudo timing out because you had the terminal running the update on a different workspace because why the fuck would you stare at it the entire time it's compiling

>>105690726
I wasn't at the computer the whole time, I went to do something else. I came back later and I saw the error message. I then realised that I pulled the wrong package and went with librewolf-bin after some research on the wiki.
That's what I get for not looking at the wiki properly. Oh well, at least I will be more careful in the future.

>>105675173
ignore the retards. apt can do shit like that because debian/ubuntu maintainers aren't lazy retards and its users aren't dumb kiddies that pretend to be uber hackers because they copied and pasted some commands

tinker troon OS

>>105671754

/thread

>>105679267
nederdraadje

>>105677219
>Getting the latest shit within a week of release
i had to wait at least 3 months for arch to package clang/llvm 20

tumbleweed packages fixed itself, I'm in
Smell ya later

>>105671507 (OP)
that package is not required to have
>t. don't have it, shit works

>>105671555
it's not shit like debian for one

>>105675218
arch don't push alpha or beta software

>>105690376
this, I have a laptop that I update like once a year, maybe even less and it still works fine

>>105690397
>less of a pain in the ass to use in the long term
idk man pacman doesn't do this to me

>>105671507 (OP)
I literally just had to deal with that.
pacman -Rs linux-firmware
pacman -Ssyu
pacman -S linux-firmware
That ought to fix it, it did for my laptop at least.

no really. you don't need that package. you can just grab the bits you need and slap it yourself.

>>105671507 (OP)
>>105671507 (OP)
Last time Arch actually had a serious regression I think was that GRUB update but then it's unironically your fault if you are still using GRUB on UEFI systems.

>>105671597
>AUR
complete garbage. AUR-bage, if you will.

>>105698881
Fuck UEFI, biggest pile of shit to ever exist.

>>105698998
You can install any AUR package on Debian or Ubuntu with makedeb after changing the dependencies' names.

>>105699160
UEFI is fine, I think the bootloader is the issue. The BIOS should not need an understanding of a file system built in and try to find stuff in it to execute. It would be better to just load and execute the first sectors of your disk. This could have been just updated to more sectors and to 64 bit instead of the old MBR boot system.

>>105671507 (OP)
GPT fixed this for me in one prompt.

>>105700027
>after changing the dependencies' names.
Not having to manually find dependencies is the biggest advantage of the aur. otherwise it would just be make && sudo make install

>>105701535
No the biggest advantage is that the package manager manages the files. sudo make install is generally untrackable. makedeb is the same as makepkg but for .deb