Thread 105675636

How does linux users expect new users if new users must already be linux experts to try it. No wonder issues go unsolved for years and no one ever contributes.

>>105675636 (OP)
#78138172389127893 bait thread that gets same fagged

>>105675636 (OP)
@grok is this a bait thread posted by a fucking frogkike?

>>105675636 (OP)
They gatekeep so that you can't solve their problems they make for themselves. It's actually self-preservation.

>>105675737
When someone makes a point you cant refute I would also call it bait, that way I can just get away with it.

>>105675771
you've had it refuted before. trheres a refute above you.
you just do this as your main hobby because your dad and step dad after (who both left) used linux

>>105675802
> you just do this as your main hobby because your dad and step dad after (who both slept with eachother to have you) used linux

So what's the point? Why is every linux user pushing you so far to install their shitty favorite distro?

>>105675831
to other linux users? basic human tribalism, who cares?
why do you care? just focus on your own stuff.

>>105675845
American individualism has poisoned your brain to become indifferent to the world. End it before it spreads

>>105675636 (OP)
Go to chatgpt, it gives you braindead step by step commands that solve 99% of the regular problems in linux. At this point you are a masochist if you stay in windows.

>>105675636 (OP)
Linux is annoying as shit, windows is annoying as shit.
However, windows is more annoying than linux for me, so i use linux.

>>105675636 (OP)
Not really. As someone who grew up on Windows 98 SE, I got used to a lot of tinkering, in both software and hardware. Many linux distros allow you to run it "on the fly", without installing - just get the DVD/pendrive burned correctly and set your machine's boot sequence to begin from DVD/pendrive, depends on the model. Many distros like Ubuntu or Mint are very user friendly, and you'll rarely be using the terminal.
It's so simple today, you have to be an idiot unwilling to learn even a little bit.

I thought installing, activating and configuring Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC x64, including installing some unsigned drivers (Dolby Atmos) and having to write lines of code in Windows PowerShell was far more demanding than any popular Linux distro Terminal command.

jesus /g/ is retarded. how do i just get permabanned so i never use this board again?

>>105676651
Post CP. Otherwise, do not expect to get the jannies' attention unless they wander in to delete some on-topic threads.

>>105675636 (OP)
hello jay

>>105675636 (OP)
You'd say the same about Windows if you used Linux all your life. It's just a different system and you have to do things the way it's designed. Distros have gone a long way to make Linux retard-proof though so you'll only have problems if you're doing something more advanced, in which case you can't be surprised when things break.
>>105675831
>Why is every linux user pushing you so far to install their shitty favorite distro?
Different distros are made to satisfy different usecases. But it can often be hard to tell exactly what that usecase is when you're new.

For example,
>Fedora, Ubuntu and Mint.
Fedora is maintained by Redhat which sets the standards for all desktop environments, so running Fedora you get something stable and designed exactly by the same people who set the standards. Redhat is the Microsoft of Linux.
Ubuntu has their own thing, while they rely on Redhat standards they're not afraid to make their own technology when the RH solution isn't good enough.
Mint is based on Ubuntu, but has their own desktop environment and configured specifically for home desktop use.
>Debian, Arch
Debian is a "swiss army knife" distro designed to be able to do anything from install. Depending on how you install it, you can get a basic desktop environment, a minimal WM or a server. Ubuntu is based on Debian so if you want more control without going full hacker you should use Debian.
Arch is very minimal, makes no efforts for sane default configurations. Using arch is like building a car from scratch. Full control but a lot of tinkering.
>Devuan, Artix, Gentoo, Void
There's an eternal battle between SystemD and other init systems (manages all the background services on your system), using these can grant you more stability and control but you lose compatibility for some applications that expect SystemD.

>>105675636 (OP)
Linux is for people who can read. Computers went wrong when they started being designed for illiterate niggers that have tantrums when their matrix plug gets pulled out

>>105675636 (OP)
>How does linux users expect new users
We don't. Why do you people keep imagining that we want more users?

>>105675636 (OP)
Trannyix is for autists, this much has been known. Seeing a terminal on your computer should have proven that to you already.

>>105675636 (OP)
They got bullied in school, and now they bully online strangers. That’s literally it.

>>105675636 (OP)
if you aren't smart enough just get a linux nerd friend. i help all my tard friends run their linux systems

>>105675636 (OP)
>"follow instruction"
>*follow instruction*
>thing works

>"follow instruction"
>hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, no, i know better
>

>>105675636 (OP)
>new users must already be linux experts to try it.
You can try out various distributions from a bootable USB drive.
No need to make permanent changes or any risk of damaging your current system.

How do people try out Windows or OSX?

>>105675636 (OP)
linux is free bitch
no one owes these "new users" anything
they can suck a fat windows 11 cock if they don't like it
want free shit to work for ya? ya gotta work for it

>>105677047
kek this is true in a way
I contribute to Linux but only to the extent of my specific usecase/workflow/setup. No one pays me to fix a bug for something I don't use or care about. That's also part of why people push for their favorite distro so hard. It's more likely that you will fall into a workflow similar to theirs that requires little tinkering.

>>105675636 (OP)
literally just use a distro that just werks like ubuntu, or preferably mint. it's not like 90% of pc users use anything other than pre-installed programs and their favorite web browser. im pretty sure with mint you dont even have to manually partition your drives anymore for a dual boot (which was easy enough already, just follow the instructions)

if you decide to start with a distro that requires you to "know what you're doing" like arch instead of just using the mainstream distros that everyone suggests to beginners, that's your fault for deliberately ignoring common advice

>>105677010
you don't need to try various windows distros because they just work unlike linux

>>105676982
This is so retarded, a lot of the times instructions are someones opinion on reddit 9 years ago suggesting you to tweak some file that no longer exists. The real workflow is

>"Thing doesn't do what it should"
>search why
>"Idfk but try this"
>try
>nothing happens
>search for a different post
>repeat ad nausseum until one of them fixes the problem and have a bunch of tweaked out shit on ur system that will probably break something else

And for some reason if u make an issue on their gitlab page or some shit the fatasses in there would say something in there like "well this was implied heuristically from comment #23 in the issue !22452 opened in may of 2001 if you read that you'd see why" i.e. you must be a fucking expert on the system youre on and it's changelog to know why the fuck things break.

>>105677010
It's not about trying for a one time thing. Without persistance you can't really experience the bugs that would let you truly know if a system is worth the change or not. Linux prides itself on customizability but if you try to tweak anything other than what's in the settings page (and sometimes not even that) things start to fall apart and you must somehow magically know the reason why or have looked up some info on the exact issue you were gonna face before it happens. What's worse is that if you do this in a newb distro like mint it's your fault for pushing things too far when it's not designed for that, but when you do it in a distro like debian then you should already know how things work before you try them, it's a retarded loop that forces the same 3 autistic people to be the one and only true and hassle free linux users.

i started using linux 3 days ago with mint xfce soon realise its all facade and i should be running a debian with lxqt

its not rocket science. All you need is AI and reading worth of 2 days

Also run into vitual machine first. Lubuntu shat and now usb stick isnt connecting

>>105675636 (OP)
i wanted use Linux for hacking because of David bombal and networkchuck but I almost smashed my pc to pieces over several kernal panics and system freezes. I moved back to windows shorty after and I'm unsure if I want to continue my journey as a aspiring hacker master

>>105675636 (OP)
we don't need new users
leave please

>>105676854
Who's gonna fix your issues when the paranoid geezers that religiously use and maintain linux die off?

>>105677047
Windows 11 pro came free on my laptop when I bought it

Why suddenly so many linux thread

>>105676672
a heads up, just suggesting doing that could give you a perma. I got one like that, fucking retard mods

>>105682729
wangblows is so shit that everyone is transitioning

>>105675636 (OP)
>if new users must already be linux experts to try it
This might have been true 20 years ago. Now it's not, Mint is arguably easier to install than windows.

>>105675636 (OP)
You gotta learn nigga. Just like with any new piece of tech or new interface.

>>105675636 (OP)
>How come this operating system I never been taught about needs me to know how to use it to use it?
You've been taught all your life how to use windows at every moment you used a computer, you think it's natural to know how to use it but it's actually not.
You literally can't expect to try and use something that's completely different and works in a different way and you should be able to use existing knowledge about something different to use it, that's not how things ever work, if you want to use something you ought to learn it, it's really that simple.

>>105675636 (OP)
>waah waaah but other people and normies and
Who the fuck cares, what the hell is that drama everyone has about lowering standards to make more useless people enter?

>yeah this bathroom is clearly the best since it's been used by a thousand people

>>105676854
Corpothink

>>105682110
I'm gonna fix and I won't share the fix with you, eat a dick bastard

>>105676913
hello saar

>>105676913
NO BUT WHERE'S THE CONVENIENCE SAAR??
MR STIVE JOBS SAID IF TERMINAL IT'S OVER

>>105684234
If I switched from MacOS to Windows or viceversa I'm sure the learning requirements and hours sinked in documentation would be entire magnitudes of difference thant If I switched from either of thoe systems to a linux one

>>105684300
>>105684312
Using linux means youre statistically more likely to be a shit flinger.

>>105676700
>maintained by Redhat which sets the standards for all desktop environments,
Wait, what? I know RHEL is used in enteprises (obviously), but how do they influence the ENTIRE Window Manager system? Wouldn't Gnome/KDE be the only two that they'd have any sort of say in?

>>105685465
FOSSFAGS BTFO

>>105684234
Windows is actually natural to use because of extensive usability testing through out its development.

>>105685789
Redhat is a corporation, they might aswell be the Microsoft of Linux. GNOME and KDE are just their favorite two desktops. RHEL is a distribution RH puts out. Redhat owns Xorg and the Free desktop org, so they set the standards for things like Wayland, dbus, xdg-* etc.

>>105675636 (OP)
>How does linux users expect new users if new users must already be linux experts to try it
But that is a false statement. Are you retarded?

>>105685465
>>105685916
The map is counting Android as Linux, retards.

>>105686675
Grandpa is rambling again

What are you talking about bro. If we didn't make it super hard to do even simple tasks in Loonix, how could we gatekeep it so that we can feel superior that we spend five hours doing something that happens automatically in seconds in other OSs

>>105686742

no it`s not, jeetsaar

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india#monthly-201412-202312

>>105675636 (OP)
>have linux problem
>type problem into search engine
>first link
>copypaste solution into terminal
>solved

wow that was hard

>>105686117
natural to people who grew up with it, yes, thats microsofts entire strategy. the "intuitive" meme is just familiarity

>>105689398
refer to this:
>>105679134

>>105689398
Incorrect, it's intuitive because it just works, you dont need to look for a microsoft wiki to know how to use it and to configure what you want. Most of time "how to change x setting" is just a matter of pressing a bunch of buttons until you find what you're looking for, and most importantly, doing so wont make your computer shit itself because you didn't "read the documentation"

>>105675636 (OP)
Why do we have to endure threads about how you imagine linux to be just because you're fat, bored and retarded? Go play in traffic.

>>105677047
You're exactly what's wrong with Linux.