Thread 105683597

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases.
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lian Li Lancool 207, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro, Corsair 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y70, Y60, Y40, Vision / Vision Compact

>CPU
Budget: 7600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X, 265/K
Intel: If their CPU offers better value through discounts and/or bundles

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Arctic Liquid Freezer III
Double towers: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, Noctua NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Mugen 6 Dual Fan/TR AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
AVOID: ASRock AM5 boards are still susceptible to damaging Ryzen 9000 CPUs (damage to 7000 CPU is less reported).


>RAM
DDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16
DDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN580, SN770
Better: Check reviews

>GPU (decide based on local pricing & features preference)
Budget: Arc B580,
Mid range: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-performance 1440p / Mid-range 4K: RX 9070 XT, RTX 5070 Ti
High-end 4K: That card.
Workstation: RTX 5090

>PSU
Budget: Gold-rated 500-600W PSU
High end: Seasonic PRIME TX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q4 2024)

>MONITOR
1080p: MSI G244F E2
1440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A,
4K: Gigabyte M28U, Acer Nitro XV275K, Samsung Odyssey OLED G8

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>> >>105657591

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Mid range: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)
High end: Noctua NF-A12x25, Noctua NF-A14x25 G2

Perv: >>105672464

Shit, my question ended up at the end of the last thread. If anyone knows the answer, I'd appreciate it:
>>105683519

5090 losing to 9070xt in LTT video

>>105683603
bump

>update bios
>all settings get wiped
>my saved profiles also got wiped

Big bummer. I can't remember the PBO settings I had to I just set a -15 curve optimizer offset and used:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

But I'm pretty sure one or the other caused crashes for me before but I cant remember what I changed to stop it.

>>105683519
shit on 1440p 27" I still use 125% scaling

Only buy high end hardware
Never buy mid range
NEVER buy budget garbage

how tf is that average
intlel aside
they way overspent on storage, mobo, psu
and way way way underspent on gpu
3060 8gb wtaf

>>105683635
Means fuck all because no sane person is pairing an i5 12400 and 5600MT/s CL48 memory with a fucking RTX 5090.

>>105683691
I'm sure someone is out there

>>105683670
>>105683691
that looks like the average budget prebuilt except with pimped out storage and psu.

>>105683627
I believe 4K 32" provides more screen real estate if you keep the scaling under 150%.

>>105683635
> LTT
Can you post anything serious?

>>105683637
dumbump

I'm gonna do it, am gonna buy an Intel CPU

I need a TLC M.2 SSD that won't die on me ever - what are my options currently?

>>105683782
I mean it's nearly 50% off it's launch price and still very good at non-gaming CPU workloads. It's not a crazy idea anymore if gaming isn't your focus.

>>105683637
>>105683770
Not Hynix, ICs, not good.
If that's your budget, it is what it is.

I don't know if this is the right thread,but...
Is it feasible to move the mouse and keyboard to the front of the main monitor according to the activity you are going to perform?
For example, during work I would stay centered on my main monitor, but for gaming, I would move the chair, keyboard and mouse to the secondary monitor.
I've never seen anyone do anything like it, so I assume there's some problem with using the PC like that, and people end up putting together different set ups or something?

>>105683816
Moving stuff around on your desk sounds entirely feasible.

hold on bro I got you

>>105683788
Kingston KC3000 is reliable, there are better specced NVMe drives though.
>Not only are the Kingston KC3000 line of drives the most common ones used in our workstations in 2024, with many thousands sold, but their reliability was also exceptional. Their overall failure rate was just a tiny 0.08% (or 1 in 1,250), and only a single drive had issues in the field!
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/puget-systems-most-reliable-hardware-of-2024/#Storage

>>105683691
>>105683710
Scary how many people don't understand that PC components work together and your weakest link will fuck your entire setup.

>>105683635
>>105683746
Yes, 100% unironically don't use LTT for anything serious. They're a shill entertainment channel. They're not competent enough to do real testing.

>>105683803
what do you mean by Hynix and ICs?
if CL is the problem, what about the 6400mhz one?(would it affect the performance that much anyways?)
Local rams are either stupidly expensive or like 5600 40CL craps

>>105683797
>I mean it's nearly 50% off it's launch price
For a reason

>>105683862
SK Hynix makes DDR5 memory chips (ICs) that overclock higher while stably keeping timings lower compared to other chip manufacturers like Samsung and Micron.

CL32 6400MT/s is better, but you may have to downclock it to 6000MT/s and adjust the primary timings to 30-40-40-96 if your CPU's memory controller can't run it at 1:1 memory speed: memory controller mode (MEMCLK : UCLK = 3200MHz: 3200Mhz).

If you have a hard time understanding this, ask some Russian PC hardware forums.
There are plenty of Russian-speaking PC hardware enthusiasts.

After weeks of slowing working through all the various different suggestions, I think I finally found the setting I needed to change to stop my 5070 build to stop randomly blackscreening.

I'm seeing a listing for an extremely cheap 3070 that blackscreens when installing drivers, owner hasn't taken it to repairs, what could be the most probable causes? faulty IC GPU, faulty VRMs, or wrong BIOS? my theory is the board uses a very low-power setting without drivers, but could it be the BIOS or some retarded shit like a smudged contactors or bad pcie socket installation?

>>105683845
the concept of bottlenecks should be taught in fucking middle school science

>>105683691
I've used a 4090 with a FX6300 for six months, quite enjoyable.

>>105683597 (OP)
>>105683597 (OP)
the OP is bit better now - the CPU, PSU, Monitor and SSD recommendations have all improved immensily, but you retards are still shilling cases.
well, at least compared to the last op its a huge improvement.

Are there any actual concerns about running a gpu off a second psu? Wanna update my stable diffusion rig but the UPS can't handle the load of two cards

how come a 9800x3D or 7800x3D can outperform intels drawing 300+ watts while they draw only 60 or so during gaming?

Is 3d vcache THAT good?

>>105683782
dont

get a b650 aorus elite ax v2 and a 9800x3D. Great board with lots of features and works great with the CPU. Only need a basic air cooler for it too, cause it's so efficient.

3060 12gb or 4060 8gb? 4060 is 20 dollar more expensive. (all used)
or any other alternatives?
math and 3D physics simulations, ML and vidya gaming at last

>>105683845
there are probably 5090 users playing at 1080p with a celeron processor, somewhere.

>>105684590
3d vcache is the second coming of christ when it comes to playing my old and unoptimized vidya
I imagine the same could apply to a lot of modern games which allegedly skip optimization altogether, depending on where the lack of optimization lies

>>105683782
hope you got some good RAM to go along with it
https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/74e3b359-4b32-402d-93a7-a1b1d2a2b430
https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/7469890a-3424-4820-9a26-987e5ace6d85 <-- 5800X
https://factoriobox.1au.us/result/df639ed0-6ee9-443c-8cda-4ff2398b9c82

>>105684656
yeah, no matter what game I play it just works well, older CPUs didnt use lots of cache but games all love it.

Need CPU recc for running 2 or more CPU intensive gaymes. My 12700K is not doing well

>>105684759
What do you mean 2 or more games? Why would you want to run 2 games at once?

wtf I just found out death stranding 2 is ps5 only

what am i gonna do this summer now

>>105684099
and what was it then

What is this thing? It was under my PC case and and I slid it out

>>105684806
psu dust filter

>>105684687
>5800x
Damn, is that bad huh, I wonder if it is better on Linux

>>105684590
Simply put, yes.
Video games it turns out can make a lot of use for extra CPU cache.
Funny thing is Nvidia tried to argue the same for GPU cache but it didn't have nearly as much of an impact compared to CPU cache and nvidia was mostly using it to justify using smaller bus widths and lowering bandwidths

>>105684616
If those are your workloads you should really try to find a 4060ti 16GB or 5060TI 16GB. VRAM is far more important, but the 3060 chip is pretty slow now.

>>105684590
chiplets are efficient under load but suck at idle power draw. monolith like intel is the opposite they use little power at idle but they draw a lot of power under load.

>>105684799
He can't reply because he is currently blackscreened.

>>105684806
it's a dust filter to stop dust getting into the PC
You can clean the dust off it now and put it back in the case

What’s a good motherboard for the i7-14700kf?
Thinking of buying one for a decent price.

>>105685061
Are you in the US?
ASRock Z790 Steel Legend WiFi or Gigabyte Z790 AORUS ELITE AX are the more reasonably discounted boards here.
You might need to update the BIOS version through a flashback (or similar feature) before the board can work with 14th-generation CPUs.
You want to update the BIOS to the latest stable version to protect the CPU.
https://community.intel.com/t5/Blogs/Tech-Innovation/Client/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/post/1633446

I'd consider Ryzen 7700X or 9700X for better efficiency under load.

Bought a Steel Legeng 9070XT.
Edge temperature is just 61ºC and the memory temperatures are actually very cool at 78ºC. I'm worried about the hotspot because it sometimes hits 95ºC and that's a huge delta. It's often around 90-92ºC. Should I send it back? Bought it on Amazon so it's no big deal. I could replace it for the Gigabyte Gaming OC or the ASUS Prime. Every other model is over 100€ the MSRP so fuck that.

>Had to refund my 7500F from aliexpress because it was stuck in transit after 45+ days from Cainiao

is cainiao this dogshit? how the fuck is it THIS SLOW? i have bought so much shit from ali before and now of all times its slow as fuck.

Recommend me other Aliexpress stores where the shipping doesnt shit the bed, Im looking to buy either Ryzen 7500F or 7700 for my Asrock B650M-HDV/M.2 (that is now collecting dust because i have to wait even longer now)

>>105685117
Thank you, I’ll look into those boards and the bios updates.
>I'd consider Ryzen 7700X or 9700X for better efficiency under load.
Why the heck is everyone recommending AMD and then I compare the two and intel is almost the same if not better?

>>105685174
That's the risk you take going this route regardless. Whether it's worth it is up to you but you'll keep getting a similar experience with other stores.

>>105685155
That's just how Radeon chips run, Steel Legend is fine.
AMD considered 110°C hot spot temp for the 7900 XTX's GPU to be running within specs.
There's no standard as to how these chip designers place the thermal sensors on the GPUs.

If you're still worried, I'd probably trade it for the Prime. Gaming OC might have thermal gels that slip out if you vertically mount it.

>>105685213
>If you're still worried, I'd probably trade it for the Prime.
Do you think it's better? The Steel Legend spins at 2000RPM but it's suprisingly quiet.

>>105685197
it is worth it for me, i would buy from my local stores but for the 7500F and 7700 in my country is paying about 80 to 120$ extra for some dumb reason. so im tempted to buy only from aliexpress and use the rest of the saved money on getting better ram sticks

>>105685213
>There's no standard as to how these chip designers place the thermal sensors
I thought the sensor was AMD's doing, no the partners.

>>105685184
It's about the power efficiency, you will feel that extra heat when the 14700K is running near full load.
User benchmark is run by a crazy schizo who is anti-AMD.

the temps on my AIO cooler are primo but I can hear the water sloshing around in it every few minutes and it's driving me insane

>>105685184
I dont know if you are new into this or baiting, but do not use userbenchmark for comparison or anything at all. Its ran by an Anti-AMD retard that even intel laughs at at the shit he comes up with.

>>105685259
>even intel laughs at at the shit he comes up with.
Source please

>>105685229
I meant NVIDIA, AMD, and Intel all have different ideas of where to place their thermal sensors inside their processors.
You can't make a meaningful comparison out of an RTX 40 card reporting 80°C hotspot to a Radeon GPU hotspot reporting 90°C.

NVIDIA hid the hotspot sensor for RTX 50 chips probably because they changed the sensor location to report hotter temperatures, and people would freak out about the difference compared to older cards.

>>105685218
I'd keep that Steel Legend if you're happy with it.
Their official spec/dimensions claim Steel Legend is a 2.9 slot card while the Prime is a 2.5 slotter.
Usually, the thicker card should have a larger heatsink and help the card run quieter.
But some manufacturers just use a big plastic shroud to hide the actual thickness of the heat sink.

>>105685242
>>105685259
hmm ok, that’s too bad. I’m still not sure what cpu to buy but at least I know that source is biased (I did a ‘net search and verified your claims)

>>105685213
>>105685229
>>105685307
one thing to note is that amd sensors are either really precise or their chiplets rapid cooldown compared to intel/nvidia. like under load it may be 90-100c but as soon as the load stops it instantly drops to like 60-70c in 2-3 seconds.

>>105685311
You can buy the newer Intel Arrow Lake i7 (265K) + Motherboard + 16GB memory for under $400 at Newegg (includes Star Wars Outlaws too).
https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-ultra-7-265kf-arrow-lake-lga-1851-desktop-cpu-processor/p/N82E16819118507?Item=N82E16819118507
https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-z890-aorus-elite-x-ice-atx-motherboards-intel-intel-z890-lga-1851/p/N82E16813145525?Item=N82E16813145525

Add those two items to your shopping cart and you'll see the discounts all applied.
You can't get a better price/performance value imo.
Not a Newegg shill, those links don't have any affiliate codes attached.

This deal expires in like 6 hrs btw.

>>105683659
Is 5080 high end? Pretty sure I paid $1400 for a midrange card.. whoops

>>105685242
My 14900k running at 253 watts hits like 75c
Just have op cooling and 13th 14th gen heat is a non issue

>>105685272
>he doesn't know
wow. Really? are you sure you're not trolling? its the most blatant shill site for Intel-aviv on the planet, run by 1 schizo.

>>105685246
get a better case, i have never heard anything except a quiet whisper of the fans from my arctic freezer III 360. 9950X3D. Antec flux pro's sound muffling, despite having 9x fans +gpu total, is still a quieter system to run than my old Corsair tower. Newer cases tend to have better audio profiles.

>>105683597 (OP)
Can I get some feedback on my first build? It's an AMD white build that I think looks pretty decent so far.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yLB3np

>>105685445
>wow. Really? are you sure you're not trolling? its the most blatant shill site for Intel-aviv on the planet, run by 1 schizo.
Ofcourse I know. I'm asking for source of Intel laughing at him.

>>105685385
A white AIO with some lian li unifans would look a lot better
>>>/g/fwt will give you windows for free

>>105683627
QRD
for context I felt 150% was pretty chill for 32" but people prefer different things, you can use 125, you can use 100
entirely depends on (You)

>>105685469

Maybe swap your case for Fractal Design Meshify 3 RGB Mid Tower Case, the full sized case has topped the charts for performance and functionality
Pick different ram, 6000 speed mhz specifically, and more ram than 32gigs wouldnt hurt you either, its also supposed to be a white build, thats black ram.
PSU is also wrong colour, buy SilverStone Decathlon R 850W Gold PCIe 5.0 ATX Modular PSU (White) instead. Or a Seasonic or FSP psu.

Also just get an AIO to cool the cpu;
>Arctic Liquid Freezer III 240mm ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White
>TRYX Panorama 240mm ARGB AIO Liquid Cooler White
are your best bets, tryx for extreme style, arctic for performance.

>>105685528
Thanks, I was under the impression that liquid coolers are less reliable than the average air cooler and much more expensive, is that not true? Did rebbit lie to me?

my 9070xt has hynix vram but it lost the lottery. i cant go higher than 2514mhz without fps loss

>>105685537
2544*

>>105680896
>Alight lads. First time owning an OLED. It's been a couple days. MSI321UP. So far It's ran 5 pannel protect cycles, and each one was caught mid-gameplay so I just had to stop everything for about 10 minutes while it does its thing. The screen says it will also do this while PC is "idle" but I don't know exactly what it counts as idle because I don't really feel comfortable leaving my screen on while I"m not using it because you know, burnin and all that shit.
I warned you through the oled shit list but nobody listens, there is a reason MSI is king of oled shit list, atleast they increased the refresh timer to 24 hours. but there still should be an "off" setting that only does pixel refreshes when the monitor is off or manually.

what counts as idle = I guess when the display is off standby/no signal, however, as firmware is buggy and how windows acts it all depends if it will trigger or not.

>>105685385
I bought a 3050 as a stop gap while waiting for the 6080

>>105685586
TVs can turn it off because they know boomers will go batshit if they tried it
But goymers will deal with their garbage on panels that would certainly die within 6 months if not for this junk

I will once again inform you about the current state of the oled shit list:

Shit list (16h forced refresh):
>msi (increased counter to 24h with firmware, king of the oled shit list)
>philips
>aoc
>hp omen

Not on shit list (no 16h forced refresh afaik):
>asus
>alienware
>samsung
>sony
>lg
>gigabyte

I don't fucking know:
>KTC
>Dough (lmao)

>>105685636
>TVs can turn it off
It's invisible and only runs on shut off, only possible nag is on start up if the firmware is buggy
there is absolutely 0 need to run a pixel refresh so often or have it forced, it's absolutely retarded

>>105685376
Tempting but I'm leaning back towards the 7800x3d now that I realize the info on userbenchmark is biased. This is basically the build I would go for if I buy AMD.
I can get the GPU for 1099 if I buy it in store. I'm 72% certain I'll pull the trigger and start buying parts before the weekend but I'm still nervous.

>>105685535
Don't listen to him, if you aren't trying to run a server farm you don't need a water cooler. That's just adding guaranteed trouble down the line. A good air cooler is 90% as good and lasts forever.

>>105685727
You kinda need a good 360 or above liquid cooler if you want to run something like a 14900k unfettered and unbothered by the huge power it can draw though.

For AMD or Error Lake I agree though.

>>105685535
>that liquid coolers are less reliable

I think that's actually true. There's less that can go wrong with a fan cooler. Fan coolers just spin and last forever. But that's not to say AIO coolers are unreliable.

Still, on like a 14900k you kind of need an AIO.

Running at max setting at native 3440x1440p while getting well over 60fps and using 7GB of vram on a RTX 3070.
This is your reminder that gaytracing and blurscaling ruined gaming.

>>105683597 (OP)
Which video card do i want to get?
I bought everything from this list including the motherboard but im stalling to buy a video card.
Approximately out of those 3 which one would be the best cost-performance pick?
Also do i want more cooling fans?
What's the deal with the voltage in the top right? is that bad?

>>105685535
air coolers are just exceedingly simple in how they work which is a major benefit for reliability
water cooling allows you to take the heat from the CPU die area and move it far away but this is irrelevant to 90% of users, and then you obviously have to deal with a pump that will fail some 5-10 years down the line
if you're at that age where no longer all that excited about hardware, chances are the performance benefits aren't worth having to keep an eye on how your CPU cooler is doing
pumps should also be somewhat audible but modern AIOs have probably taken steps to mitigate that

Is 64GB ram enough for the next 8 years or should I up it to 96GB? I think that would also guarantee dual rank sticks too right?

>>105685995
32gb is enough

>>105685958
>more fans
no, that case has 4 fans included and your system don't need that much airflow
>gpu
check 9060/9070/xt and 5070/ti prices in your market
>>105685995
upgrade rams only when you need it in the future, they are pretty overpriced right now for larger capacity

Is the 9800x3d worth it over the 7800x3d? If so, why?

>>105685995
you can get 2x48GB kits now there's no reason to get 2x32GB kits

>>105685648
>>Dough (lmao)

>>105686063
9800X3D is a bit better and has more manual OC/tuning headroom.
7800X3D if you're happy enough with having a 3D-Vcache AM5 PC.
The practical gaming performance difference isn't that big (especially at higher resolutions), but it's harder to justify the 7800X3D if the prices aren't that far apart.

>>105686063
9800x3d scores 25% higher in benchmarks so it gives you a bigger dick

>>105686193
>it's harder to justify the 7800X3D if the prices aren't that far apart.
NTA but yeah, for I want to get an X3D CPU but prices here are like this
9800X3D - $560
7800X3D - $500
But my real problem is that I can get a 9700X for $240... I really want an X3D but is really hard to ignore this deal

>update driver
>monitor froze, on/off again from just casually browsing web.
is it over?

REMINDER FOR NEW FRIENDS

You mount your NVMe SSD on top of the standoff screw.

>>105686410
Mine didn't come with a screw so I used force, it works

>>105686366
I would settle with that 9700X, X3D is nice but not over 2x of that CPU.
The savings can get you more storage or maybe even a higher tier GPU.
Or just keep the savings.

What's acceptable high [spoiler] mobile [/spoiler] gpu temps?

>>105686430
It did and you lost it.

>>105686453
I got the CT1000P2SSD8 a couple of years ago

>>105686410
why?

freezer 36 OK for a 9800X3D? everything else is out of stock here or tarrifed/banned apparently

>>105686440
Seems like it's between 70~80°C for NVIDIA laptop GPUs, the thermal limit is 83°C for discrete GeForce GPUs (not hotspot).
Laptop RTX 4080 is more of a downclocked desktop 4070.
https://www.ultrabookreview.com/62042-razer-blade-16-review/#a7
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/nvidia-ad104.g1013

>>105686549
Yeah it's a nice cooler for the 9800X3D.
Check case and motherboard fitment/clearance.
https://support.arctic.de/lf3-compatibility

>>105686637
>liquid freezer III
I said Freezer 36. The single tower air cooler because apparently my country hasn't figured out dual towers.
https://www.arctic.de/en/Freezer-36-Black/ACFRE00123A

>>105686646
My bad, thought you shortened the 360
Should be fine, especially for gaming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TW_5W702dc

A new AOC budget miniLED monitor is available (Q27G40XMN, +1100 dimming zones, VA with QD layer), decently reviewed (some bugs exist).
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g40xmn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDOybDnJ9cM

KINO

I'm getting a new PC soon, so to celebrate rate 6(?) years old setup, the only upgrades it ever got were more RAM and storage.

>>105686948
I think you could’ve eeked out a bit more performance with a faster memory configuration.
60Hz monitor is kind of slow, but I get 120/144Hz monitors being more expensive at that time.
Still a decent old system.

>>105686789
That game’s cozy as fuck. Hf.

Choosing a 9070xt frens, its either:
AsRock steel legend
Asus prime
Powercolor reaper

for me. Which one and why? Prices are roughly same.

>to build 5090 rig or not soon
>6 months into 5090 release
>only 1,5 years left until 6090 drops
>gonna do stuff next year won't have much time to gayme anyway and after whole year is done gonna be real close to a 6090 release
>don't feel urgent desire to buy stuff and play shit either
>also just too poor to splurge on stuff and don't feel comfortable blowing all this cash for nothing
>if I had a side job I could justify just building a rig without conscience being affected
>now have to cope and not do shit
>lack of money Is preventing me from enjoying life
>stuck in constant fomo hell
some one release me from this hell

>>105685995
64GB is just enough to not feel poor.

>>105685385
16GB is not high end. It's mid end at best.

Sister want PC for her 12 yo boy.
Looking for help to build PC for games, but as always, she doesn't even know exactly what is he playing.
Probably Fortnite or Minecraft.

I'm out of the loop for years so I don't really know what good now. I even heard that nvidia drivers are worsening and they want to ditch PC user space, for AI. And AMD are on the rise with their GPU.

Budget: 4200 PLN / 985 Euro / 1140 USD
Country: Poland.
No monitor, no mouse etc. Just unit.

Help appreciated.

>>105687075
Reaper is the weakest PowerColor, Hellhound is the based one. I'd go with Steel Legend.

>>105683635
because novidio drivers have a large cpu overhead.

how big does my monitor need to be to comfortably use 100% at 1440 and 4k?
my 1080p monitor is 24" but it's clear all the way down to 20".

so anys news on RTX 50 Super series or UDNA?
are oled monitors recommended for shitposting & occasionaly browsing manga/web?

>>105684759
16 core amd.

>>105687231
Most expensive parts are CPU and GPU.
9060 XT, Ryzen 7600 should be a little under 600e total.
Try looking at if there's CPU+motherboard+memory bundles.

>>105684835
supposedly they're going to fix that by zen 7. adding cores that are meant to run at 1w.

>>105685385
no. yes, you did.
it's ok anon, as long as you learn from your mistakes.

>>105685657
those prices are embarassing. is that really how worthless the canadian dollar is?
compare 7800x3d to 9800x3d. or buy the cheapest CPU that will run on AM5 while you wait to snipe next gen, which will also run on AM5.
what resolution are you playing at? compare prices for all the 16gb cards. 9060xt, 9070, 9070xt, 4060ti, 4070 super, 4080, 5060ti, 5070ti.

>>105687231
>Fortnite or Minecraft
The former is really hard to run because of graphical updates. The latter is unoptimized and runs way better on Nvidia hardware. You'll probably want to get a 5060ti 16gb and pair it with a 5700x3d or 9600x

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mhPjQd

Hey, is this a decent build for gaming I guess? I don't know if there is anything here that is good, or bad, so if I need to make changes just shoot. It was provided to me last thread by an anon (thanks man) but it seems the video card isn't available in my region (US). Anything else i can replace it with or should i just get the parts i can right now and just worry about it later, or do I need to make some changes with the other parts along with the video card?

>>105685958
I wouldn't buy any GPU under 16GB unless you only want to play esports or plan on upgrading again within 3 years.

>>105686063
it's better.
are you cpu bottlenecked? I bought my 7800x3d day one and I'm waiting until whatever the last generation (probably zen 6) x3d chip falls below msrp to upgrade.

>>105687231
compare the cheapest 8-core intels which are supposedly falling well below MSRP, to the 7600x 9600x 7900x 9900x from amd.
and get whatever the cheapest 16gb GPU is from nvidia 4000 or 5000 series, or amd 9000 series.

>>105687295
amd still working on software, getting rocm and such up to par.

What's a good monitor for general web browsing?
The one I have for a vertical monitor has terrible viewing angles when it's rotated that way

>>105687399
so rdna4 catchup with rtx 40 series at least?

>>105687436
rdna4 is a good recommendation, has some strange issues with some games like ziv though so double check if it runs your main games first.
but yes it does ai well, and rendering.

>>105687404
You want an IPS. Manufacturers usually publish the viewing angle specs but it pays to double check them with independent testing.

>>105687304
Thanks for tip with bundle, will look for them
And do you need to buy cooling for AMD processor or inbox cooling is fine?
>>105687351
OK, that good to know. I will try to look into it. But from what you say nvidia might be safer bet.
But on the other hand, my friend have constant device disconnected errors on nvidia
>>105687386
yea, on this budget this is prob my best bet

>>105687477
Most don't come with stock coolers nowadays. Check pcpartpicker to see if an item does.

> core ultra 7 265k
guys, should I go with air cooler or AIO, probably not going to oc it today, but in distant future i will, any recommendations on coolers?

>>105687477
Nvidia undoubtedly has driver woes now but it only happens to some setups and not others. E.g. It's unlikely to happen if your nephew uses one monitor and avoids enabling dlss4 frame gen in the settings meny (rarely turned on by default)

>>105687477
When going for the choice of CPU, consider the 9600 over the other because it leaves room for a drop-in upgrade in the future. The AM5 socket will get one more new generation of CPUs after this, whereas AM4 is of course "dead". I am doubtful that a 12 year old is playing at a competitive level where X3D cache would make a difference.

>>105687558
A big air cooler would be fine but you'd want an AIO for OC. However, 1: there's not much OC headroom on these chips and 2: there's some chance an AIO will die before you get around to overclocking it.

>>105687558
>hot Intel mid-high end chip, 250W max load
Go for an AIO, please. The average result when an AIO croaks is your CPU gets hot and throttles and you will know when it does. Just replace them every 3-5 years depending on quality. Do shop around and check if an AIO has reviews stating whether it works well with Intel or not, since the shape of their chips and hotspots differ significantly from AMD. Get used to one now and get some experience on what will work better for you in the future; eg. maybe you see your case does or does not have the space for a big fat Arctic radiator.

New pc is awesome

>>105687749
Going to sell the Intel arc it came with. Already put my 5070ti in it

>>105687756
Tomahawkbros should stick together
However that USB header cable looks really uncomfortable, I hope you adjusted that.

>>105683635
>5090 losing to 9070xt in LTT video
At 1080p......

How big is your desk anons? I'm currently on a 125x80 cm and want to get a height adjustable desk but I'm unsure whether to get 140x80 cm or 160x80 cm. Currently I have two monitors on my desk but I have another I could use as a third.

>>105687356
How much should I spend on a 16 gig? 4DXVW

>>105687831
200x80 but I'm wondering if 90 wouldn't have been better

>>105687842
lol captcha got glued

>>105685657
if you are more into gaming, than go red, this specific cpu is more productivity aimed, doing a build right now with it and i'mfocused on 3d, render and content creation

>>105685657
9800x3d is only 100 CAD more. Just get that instead of the 7800x3d.

>>105687636
>>105687736
even without OC, my work is content creation with some hot shit, so it's AIO then, thanks. Any suggestions on reliable brands? Many guys say Arctic is gud

>>105687231
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/nyhczP
hard to get under lower then this

>>105687933
Most are "reliable" in that it is a binary state; either it's all good for years or it's a bad unit that will immediately show issues and should be replaced on warranty. All the commonly seen brands today will work, Thermalright and ID Cooling are examples of Taiwanese & Chinese brands that are dirt cheap yet set the industry baseline for performance. Arctic position their Liquid Freezers in the affordable range (depends on region) but have very high cooling perf because their radiators are overspec thick. That can make or break the option if it can't fit in your case and bonks into your motherboard.

>>105687353
It is good, here's a fixed list.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FrNhLc
Changed psu to a 750w. I also changed the motherboard to the b850m since it's cheaper and the newer model. Only pick this motherboard over the b650m if you're not going to go with Windows 10 though since the newer ones have problems with wifi and bluetooth on Win 10.

Guys when can I start using my 9070 XT for AI stuff?

why my local second-hand market is 100% more expensive than USA e-bay market? ryzen 7500f is ~180$ here, and rtx 4060 is ~370$
kind of sucks

>>105688048
Thanks a lot man, really appreciate the help you and the other anon gave to a dipshit tech retard like me. If you don't mind me asking, is windows version between 10 and 11 different? Or rather is one better than the other? I'll take your word for what you said about the incompatibility with win 10 and the motherboard you picked, especially since you said the mother board is cheaper, which is a plus to me, but I'm curious.
Again, thanks for the help.

>>105686063
its not that big an upgrade, BUT, you're upgrading your rig in 2025, why the hell wouldnt you get the better 9800x3d when you're gonna be using it for the next what, 5+ years? it doesnt matter much NOW, but in 3+ years time the progression of technology will possibly wear on you, you might upgrade your gpu+monitor, then suddenly it'll matter. Its future proofing, you're less likely to feel the urge to spurgle and piss away money for an upgrade you may or may not need in 5+ years time if you have the very best cpu right now.

I've got to share my happy-sad story.

My shithole of a country with oppressive sales tax had an amazing online PC store with reasonable prices, unimaginably wide product selection and impeccable customer service. I made several orders from them in the past months totalling around a 1000€, which is a fuckton of money here.
Turns out, the reasonable prices and wide selection were due to them evading sales tax and the tax agency raided them. This happened literally at most two weeks after my final order. I'm incredibly lucky, but also a damn shame.

I'm not only angry at the government for the insanely high sales tax, but also for outright stealing the money from customers who stuck with unfulfilled orders. The state always gets paid out first, while the taxpayer can get fucked and forgotten.

Remember kids, taxation is theft and the government is a mafia!

>>105688157
Taxes. Always the fucking taxes.
I also have an insane second hand market where prices almost mirror brand new retail pricing.

5080? More like 50cutie

Is it okay to have a 5.0 GPU on a 4.0 Pcie slot? Any noticeable drops in performance?

>>105688462
Yes, no.

>>105688462
>Any noticeable drops in performance?
Only on vram-starved cards.

>>105688294
we have 35% border tax for every shipment that is above 300$.
What did Allah meant by this?

>>105688585
He (pbuh) meant to follow a vow of poverty and not buy a new luxury car every other week.

Kneel.

>>105683597 (OP)
>9800x3d
Yea, let's all just spend £700 on a fucking cpu and a further £600 on a mobo. Any actual advice for £500 to £600 budget. Need ram, cpu, and mobo to go with my 5070ti.

>>105683670
A lot of prebuilts come with hx10m type mobos

>>105688647
bro any mobo is fine with x3ds even the cheapest shit
t. 7800x3d with a 100 euros B650M-HDV/M.2
paid total of 530€ für cpu mobo and 32gb 6000mhz cl30 ram

>>105688643
Dead on arrival. Thank God, this shitty company will go bankrupt soon.

>>105688697
In two more weeks right bugman?

>>105688728
Why are you seething, soicuck?

>>105685184
Stop using userbenchmark that site has always been extremely bias against AMD i think somebody from AMD fucked the guys mom

>>105688697
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/noctua-nf-a12x25-g2-pwm-the-king-is-dead-long-live-the-king-review/

It's literally better than every other 120mm fan on the market, including the Phanteks T30.

>>105687244
>Reaper is the weakest PowerColor
im guessing you never owned the hellound 7900xtx that thing was a piece of shit and had the worst coil whine compared to any other card on the market

>>105688643
on one hand, I NEED to have the best fans on the market (other components don't even matter to me)
on the other hand, I can't justify it when I already own 999 A12x25s

>>105688860
>brown
+
>ugly
As a fancuck of noctua I am tired of this shit. Seriously, enough!

>>105689200
brown and beige are both fine colors
but I'll admit that the old A12 had a way cooler-looking hub

>>105689200
Wait™ for the chromax.black™ variants.

>>105689406
Nope, not spending any money on noctua shit anymore. Have enough fans till my last breath.

>>105688647
You can pick any of the 6 or 8-core CPUs as an alternative.
Budget CPU in the OP also means budget gaming.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/7B4LLc

Is 1440p for a 5700X3D + 4070 ti super enough or do I stick at 1080p?

>>105689743
It's enough for 1440p.
AOC released a decent 1440p miniled monitor (fast VA panel), unfortunately there's a firmware lottery involved.
>>105686766

Thank you guys for all of your help with guiding me to build my PC.

>>105689812
What's with the monitor firmware retardation? Many good monitors seem to be plagued by shitty firmware and users can't patch it half of the time.

>AMDnicotroon and DLSS schizo banned
>thread quality increases by 100%
that's all you had to do jannies.

>>105683597 (OP)
Is there a good unified excel table of computer parts? I hate having to look at a dozen differemt storefronts and datasheets and whitepapers to figure out what goes with what, how much power it needs, what type of socket, etc
t. first time pc builder

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/rtx-5050-desktop-gpu-and-laptops/

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

RTX 5050

>>105690144
I've never been screwed by Pcpartpicker. All the parts fit (I've built 4 pc's now and none of them had a part that was too big), it tracks your total wattage, it constantly freaks out if you haven't picked a cpu fan yet, etc. Just be warned about motherboards and cpu's. Older mobo's can use newer cpu's if they are the same generation but the mobo would need to be updated and as a former first time pc builder that shit had me up the wall especially because the mobo wouldn't even post. So I'd suggest getting a mobo that released around your cpu of choice. If you can stretch your budget it's not wise to cheap out anywhere.

>>105690144
No, PCpartpicker has the most comprehensive database and compatibility checks and even it doesn't tell you everything you need to know if you want the final build to be hassle-free. Just start putting something together and come back here with whichever questions you have.

>>105690192
>8gb
woah... so it will match the 5060ti's performance
that's pretty damn good

>>105690192
Nah, when ai crap flops, nvidia is done. Just wait two more weeks.

>>105690378
But I want Skynet and AM

>>105690192
I'm surprised it's not a 96bit memory bus card

>>105687295
>are oled monitors recommended for shitposting & occasionaly browsing manga/web?
Not really, I would keep an eye on some of the miniLED monitors that will be released later this year.
AOC Q27G40XMN miniLED is decent on paper, but some batches have a local dimming zone bug when you enable HDR (can't use to best local dimming option due to this bug).

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g40xmn#test_1387
https://youtu.be/dDOybDnJ9cM?t=1478

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6HmMQd

Roast my dumb ass, it’s been 7 years since a built a PC.

is a atx 2.1 psu recommended for a 5080?

>>105690662
>home edition

If i were to upgrade the 3080 in my build to a 5080
Should i get a new psu?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qm9DVF

>>105683845
People understand but unfortunately other people end up being psychotic about it.

Dear god someone had the opportunity to buy a new GPU before updating the rest of the system.
Go on pebbit and it almost seems like you've personally offended someone's mother because you didn't sacrifice enough money to companies in Taiwan before you bought a GPU.

>>105690192
According to TPU it should be 2/3rds as powerful as a 5060 and just under a 1070 Ti. +20% over a 3050. I guess it only makes sense for a new build or someone upgrading from a 1650 and older.

>>105690663
You mean 3.1? It's recommended but not necessary. The difference is that the sensing pins are shortened while the 12V and ground pins are longer which makes it harder for the 12v-2x6 cable to be seated incorrectly.

This a good deal?

>>105683597 (OP)
test

>>105690806
just buy a chinese one from aliexpress or temu, way cheaper

>>105690662
When I built my sister's new pc she wanted the mid tower and I hated every minute of it. I think I even cut my fingers a few times and got them pinched. If you have the space (and budget) I suggest a full case so you just have way more space and airflow. Speaking of airflow, any reason you're opting for air vs water?

Any final comments before I pull the trigger?
Notes:
-The GPU is $1099 at a local store

I bought a “bag of pc cables “ for $30 off a local Craigslist type site. Huge box of around 50 lbs arrived, contained hundreds of cables of all kinds, a ps3, two keyboards, three really big gamer pads that go below keyboard/mouse, and dozens of pic related. I assume it’s for mining, rising gpus off a board with enough pcie slots. Are they worth anything?

Any way, insanely good deal, can use a lot of this stuff. I paid $12 for shipping and sent another $20 today in case she underpaid postage

>>105690885
I wouldn't want to buy a cpu from Amazon. Newegg has 'em and I even used Altex for my sister's pc. I was sweating bullets for a week thinking it was a Texas scam but they were legit. They didn't even charge sales tax so my sister's cpu was cheaper than mine. Otherwise looks good except the mid case. It might be a matter of taste but I wouldn't want to work on one again.

>>105690806
Xtremely good
>>105690854
>buy chinese noname dipshit nvme that could blow up your pc or probably is fake nad has 512mb of flash storage

I'm planning to upgrade soon because of Wangblows 11 and my hardware is really starting to show its age. Currently I have a SSD for the OS and two HDD's for the rest. I was planning to get one big NVMe SSD for both the OS + everything else. Does this make sense or a smaller SSD for the OS is still the better option?

Is a 9800x3d big enough of an upgrade over an 5900x to consider replacing my mobo/ram as well? I have a 5070ti and a 1440p 144hz monitor and would like to hit those high refresh rates. The parts are kinda expensive though

is it time to upgrade?

>>105691103
delete data that you dont need

>>105683597 (OP)
So I have an old AM4 (Ryzen 2600) system and it has no iGPU, I just want to revive this system to try out Linux and try playing games on it to get some feel and use it for other stuff in the near future.

What GPU would fit best? Best if cheap too, I know Nvidia has many issues with Linux.

>>105691107
but these people need me

Anons, retard here first time builder, I want to future proof... My Motherboard, what if I'm a Data Hoarder? A complete slut for filling SSDs with stuff, I want a board that let's me add a lot of SSDs and not lose speed on the GPU at all, let's put the 9800X3D as the CPU for this example, which MoBo chipset do I get?

>>105691087
I dont think it matters really. The OS drive should have DRAM cache which makes it more expensive. If you can find a deal on a good drive that has enough space it should be good. If not, the DRAMless drives are usually cheaper so you might get more bang for your buck. Just dont store data that you rewrite often on a DRAMless drive

>>105691107
madness

>>105691103
hdds are cheap, get 2x 16tb for your data and you'll never run out

>>105691133
do you run a seedbox from china or something

>>105691133
>these people need me
>peers (0)

>>105687269
rule of thumb
1080p - 24"
1440p - 27"
4K - 32"

>>105691145
You probably want the fancier x870(e) chipset because it has better bandwidth capability guarantees. You might be able to find a B850 board with enough PCI bandwidth. You'll have to verify those boards yourself to make sure that it doesnt use other PCI lanes when all the NVME slots are used.

>>105690859
I’m afraid of water and I don’t play that many games that need the performance.

>>105691161
With Windows being an OS full of demons, I bet it would make the HDDs spin all the time for no reason, annoying anon in the process

>>105691170
no I just never remove torrents so it forever stay at 0(1)
every once in awhile I will hit seed and watch them trying for it

>>105690885
Go with rm850x (2024) with atx 3.1 and pcie 5.1 they have higher quality parts than E counterparts.
And B850 or B650E unless you need extra usb ports.
Also pcie 4 nvme instead of 2.5” ssd.

>>105687842
consider how close to MSRP the product is, and consider what resolution, what your target power consumption is. performance scales pretty much linearly with power consumption, but you don't want to run into a scenario where your card doesn't have enough VRAM to run a game without turning the settings down to N64.

>>105691196
look at them go

>>105691145
>My Motherboard, what if I'm a Data Hoarder?
>A complete slut for filling SSDs with stuff
Buy an Asustor and be done with it

>another new AM4 CPU
>5500x3d
AMD supporting a platform for 9 years while intel can't even support one for more than a generation.

>>105691188
Never had an issue with that personally

Updated from Ryzen 7 5700X (8 cores, 16 threads) to Ryzen 9 5950X which supposedly has 16 cores and 32 threads. Yet my OS only shows 16 cores and 16 threads.
Model name: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-Core Processor
CPU family: 25
Model: 33
Thread(s) per core: 1
Core(s) per socket: 16
Socket(s): 1

Already updooted to latest BIOS, nothing. What do? Am I missing a BIOS setting or something?

>>105691228
I have a similar issue for the 9900x3d, it only showed half the cores.
This fixed it: https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/14izhi4/amd_ryzen_5800x3d_is_only_showing_6_cores/

is 9070XT better than 3090 now?

>>105691228
Enable SMT or Simulatnous Multi Threading. Should solve your issue.

>>105691248
resale value of 3090 is prob higher due to ai uses

>>105691228
probably ryzen master garbage

>>105691248
Hahaha no. CUDA + DLSS 4 + 24gb of VRAM makes the 3090 still extremely capable. Just throw on some lossless scaling and you got a 4070 with as much vram as a 4090.

>>105691265
But for game performance and efficiency?

>>105691269
3090 can use DLSS 4?

>>105691278
Yes, it can run the transformer model but not the frame gen. Better image quality. I think every RTX GPU to the 20 series can use DLSS4 transformer model by overriding it in the nvidia app.

>>105691278
all rtx cards can use transformer model upscaling but its more expensive on the fps hit on older gens
nvidia frame gen doesnt work except for the amd generic frame gen which is worse quality

>>105691248
hell no

people are way too delusional about the 9070XT. It's weaker than the XTX and only saved by FSR4. If FSR4 worked on RDNA3 it'd have zero value over any of the top end RNDA3 cards.

Opinions on getting a used 4070 Ti Super for around 650€ instead of getting a new 5070 Ti for 850+?

>>105691340
50xx has 4x frame gen
slightly better path tracing perf

>>105691340
It's not worth 200 more.
At 750 it'd be worth it.

>>105691091
It definitely is but the multi core performance is a sidegrade so you can consider waiting for the 12core 10800x3d instead

>>105691340
5070ti would have warranty, you wouldn't have to worry about dust or it crapping out on you, plus you get to use MFG which I think isn't as bad as people pin it to be.

Okay, I have decided, I'm gonna buy an intel B580 for my linux mint system

i play games between a 1440p monitor at my desk and a 4k tv for the couch gaming. i have 2 questions, not really related to pc building but more of a configuration thing.

1. is there an easy way, like a one click .exe option for quickly switching my primary display AND disabling the other displays which aren't needed (e.g. when playing on tv, i disable my 1440p monitor and my secondary 1080p monitor at my desk)

2. when i change my main display between my 1440p and 4k displays, the desktop icons on the right side of my screen are always pushed inwards and cause my icon layout to get all fucked up and i manually have to reorganise it every single time switch main displays. i have a feeling it's related to the 4k tv having 150% zoom in windows, but without the zoom i can't read anything as all text is really small.

>>105691399
win + p
just ignore the fucked icons

>>105691265
why haven't anyone just make cheap AI stick?
dedicate AI GPU cost like gazillion tacos
or is there a intel arc with 48GB vram will come out soon?

>>105691455
tenstorrent is cheap
it has no cuda and cant play games so noone cares

>>105691266
Guess so.
>>105691257
There's "auto" and "disabled", both yield the same results lmao
>>105691246
Run "msconfig"? Damn, don't have Windows at hand.

>>105691215
To be fair, these aren't superfast CPUs and AMD are using these as a dumping ground as they otherwise still have supplier obligations for EYPC CPUs

>>105691418
i just tried windows + p and it doesn't work. it says i have extend displays selected, but as you can see from windows display settings, my 4ktv and 1080p secondary display are disabled. not sure what i'm doing wrong

>>105691025
Getting the CPU from newegg.ca and I changed my case to a full sized one. Didn’t do too much research on the case but it seems good enough
>>105691201
Changed to the rm850x and B850. The B850 board is -$50.00 from newegg so it’s actually 229.99. I’m not a fan of NVME so I’ll stick with SATA drives.

>>105691418
>>105691520
ok i think i managed to get the extend display option to work, however now my issue is that the win+p option only gives you a "pc screen only" which is my main 1440p monitor which is fine, but it doesn't have an option for "third screen only" which is what my 4ktv is.

>>105691590
reddit says use "displayfusion" app

>>105690806
wd black is the expensive line of their products?
plus a game? for $35? seems great if you need the ssd.

>>105691620
yeah i discovered that when i was searching for solutions, but the free version doesn't include the 2 features i'd want it for. i guess i could just pirate it. thanks.

>>105690919
>buying things they don't know what to do with
peak consoomerism.

>>105690885
what are the prices of other 16GB GPUs from rtx 4000/5000 and rx 9000?

>>105691087
I just went with a 2TB NVME and called it a day.
I might buy another one to have one drive be windows and one be linux.

>>105691103
>all those small drives
>data hoarding
ngmi.

>>105691129
whatever you find on facebook marketplace.

>>105690662
>Video card
Extremely overpriced.
>Memory
Find a CL30 6000MT/s kit.
>PSU
Way overspecced for that PC, Corsair RMx 850 should be fine.
>OS
You don't have to pay for Windows
>>105657591

>>105690806
Good deal.

>>105691129
Probably an RX 6600 or an affordable used card, but performance might be badly affected if it has to run on Gen 3x 8.

>>105691477
still a good way to bring new life to an older system and delay your upgrade.

can someone tell me the average ATX motherboard WITH PACKAGE size? for shipping purposes
can their dimensions bigger than 60 cm(in each dimension)?

>>105691737
2 feet? No

>>105691676
$1089 is normal for a 5070 ti in Canada at the moment. Not sure about amd/40x, other 50x cards are more expensive or less impressive than to 5070 ti.

>>105691777
the rtx 5000 series is the least impressive generation since ATI was still around. but ok, if you say so.

>>105691278
>But for game performance and efficiency?
9070XT is fine for gaming if the price is reasonable and if you're willing to put up with Optiscaler to enable FSR4 on many of the unsupported games (if you care about upscaling).

3090 is better if you want to run some light AI models.

can 4 monitor setup cause issues besides performanceb maybe?
im using a 3070 + 5600x
3x 1440p 144hz
1x 1080p 60hz

>>105691849
yes, especially with nvidia.

>>105691849
On Nvidia they can't use MPOs with more than 2 monitors. This causes several downsides if you Google what DXGI or MPOs are.

>>105691789
Never denied that, buddy.

>new ASUS monitor
>said it's G-Sync compatible
>turn it on
>it surely does show the G-Sync logo during startup
>nvidia control panel shows it as not verified
>check ASUS page again
>it says G-Sync compatible (under processing)
How is this legal? I don't think it makes a difference but they are literally lying about it.
It's like saying our product is x-certified and advertising it as such but then you only have requested the screening process.
What if in the end it doesn't get the NVIDIA stamp? Then they just sold me a false promise

>>105691789
The competition is a joke, so NVIDIA is incentivized to drip-feed generational gains.
It's more profitable to target 10~20% gains every generation if they can get away with it.

About 15% improvement from the 4070 Ti Super and nearly 30% from the 4070 Ti is really all NVIDIA needed to do.
The $50 discount was rather surprising and caught AMD off guard too.

>>105691858
Not him but I wanted to get a third monitor. That's a bad idea?

>>105691882
G-sync compatible means it supports Freesync/Generic VRR on Nvidia. It lacks the actual module inside.

>>105691849
Yes
You may run out of bandwidth
check your GPU and its bandwidth and supported displays and display headers

>>105691905
3 should be fine.
4 is when shit starts to go screwy usually.

>>105691858
Do not a start brand war over MPO.
This issue affects AMD as well because it's caused by Microsoft's DirectX coding.
Only Microsoft has the tools and authority to fix issues related to MPO.

>>105691882
adding to >>105691922 the gsync hardware module was discontinued last year anyway so the latest monitors will not have it anymore but Nvidia came around with something new. I think it's called Pulsar?

>>105691943
Update Windows or use this registry key
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/s/83e1i2qxhQ

But I'm talking about a different issue. Nvidias fixed function hardware cannot use MPOs with more than two displays. This is a hardware limitation not a software one. Amd doesn't have this issue since forever because they did Eye infinity and all that stuff first

>>105691922
>>105691954
Then I don't get why my old AOC monitor doesn't say that it's not verified. It sure as hell doesn't have a module and is also only Freesync compatible

>>105691257
>>105691246
My bad, it was my custom OS kernel. Forgot to increase the amount of supported processing units. Just had to save the 8 kilobytes of memory while neckbearding.

>>105691982
VRR either works or it doesn't. Don't care too much about certs. The hz should be changing with your fps or it doesn't work.

GIGABYTE - B650M - GAMING PLUS WIFI
130 USD, do you recommend? gonna use it with 7500F and 4x16gb ddr5

>>105691998
Yeah it works. I just found it weird

5050 getting an official graphics card not laptop exclusive
>The card has a TDP of 130W and will require an 8-pin power connector.

>>105692044
>$250 display adapter
We didn't know how good we had it.

>>105691977
>Nvidias fixed function hardware cannot use MPOs with more than two displays.
Yes they can, you just need to set a primary monitor in the NVIDIA Control Panel.
OP in >>105691849 didn't intend to use all those monitors as a single screen.

>>105692044
And people argued with me saying the 5050 was never gonna happen because muh PCB costa

>>105692029
which one should I buy? Ignore the shipping costs

>>105691882
>>105691982
Make sure you've checked the "Enable settings for the selected display model" option.
https://youtu.be/CQdo67SjIHk?t=558

Hey guys
I'm trying to find the best GPU for the money, budget is 100 euro, I'm torn between a Rx 5700 xt and a gtx Titan X pascal (like a gtx 1080 ti)

>>105692133
The answer is to earn & save more money.

>>105691887
amd competes with nvidia just fine.
nvidia doesn't care about gamers because they're making 1000x the profits from professional.

>>105692155
No, they don't.
That's why AMD had to offer a "Launch Price" discount for the 9070XT.
Because it can't compete "just fine".

This Project Redstone some people are excited about improves RT & Frame Generation, yet only nine games support Anti-Lag 2 which is needed to smoothly play with FG enabled.

>>105692133
There's a reason those cards are cheap. RDNA1 had hardware/driver issues and Pascal has seen 3 mining crazes. If you don't mind some maintenance work then I'd say get the Titan but otherwise you should either save more or lower your performance target.

>>105692088
bump

>>105692185
how can so many games be console first and AMD developed but then not support AMD's free open source tech

>>105692208
B650M D3HP or the B650 Gaming X AX depending on how many M.2 and SATA/USB slots you need.

>>105692187
>>105692144
This is just some trash box 200 euro build for my gf or me when I'm over there currently theres a Vega 56 in there but felt like a good upgrade for the 25e i need to chime in after i sell the Vega

>>105692133
You'll be wasting money if you buy one of those and will have to upgrade very shortly anyway which means spending more money, because these old cards don't have RT acceleration or some of the newer features like the titan x doesn't support VRS iirc. A lot of games have mandatory RT nowadays and even RDNA 3 cards suffer pretty bad because of it and that's just one gen old. You'll need at minimum a 20 series GPU or RDNA 4. I'd recommend just saving a bit more money and getting a 3060 12gb which is the bare minimum for games nowadays.

>>105692208
from those seller percentages I'd only trust Byte Depot and at least they showed you what's in the actual box

>>105692125
Thanks that was the first thing I did when my monitor arrived

>>105692231
Because it costs money to add these new features to old titles that are past their major profit potential.
It's not worth assigning programmers to add Anti Lag 2 support for the small subset of Radeon card owners that will play games with Radeon's frame generation.

That's the Redstone some of you guys are hyping up (RT lighting resource reduction, Ray Reconstruction, & Frame Generation).

>>105692287
Then why does AMD develop it

>>105692262
The G-Sync indicator appears on my FreeSync Premium Pro monitor when I run any games or benchmarks.

>>105692297
They're hoping the games currently in development will support those features at launch.

>>105692242
I get the point, but the best i can find is a 2060 6gb and even then it's probably more like 120, 20 euro might be the value of a happy meal but it's a 20% increase in price and 6 piss gb of vram
This machine won't be doing much besides sims and maybe some slop of the week

>>105692343
A 2060 6gb will be way less of a headache than those other choices

I have a build from circa 2016-17 that is starting to struggle even just with desktop duties. My RAM usage is a big problem, so I want to get to 32gb total.
I can buy another two sticks of it for about $30-80 depending on how reputable the source. It seems like a better idea than replacing the RAM with new stuff entirely.
I also have a Ryzen 2600x that I was given that I have yet to plug into it, to replace my 1600x. Not a big upgrade but it was free.
I would also like to get an NVME SSD but I have no idea how those work, I've lost almost all my tech literacy after becoming an adult.

Mobo: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON
RAM: G.Skill Flare X 16gb (2x 8gb) 3200mhz CL16

Is DLSS what I've been hearing about fake frames and what is the actual purpose? When I move quickly it looks better without so why would I turn it on.
I guess it's made for PC builds where they can't run the game fluid anyway? Maybe then it will actually look better

>>105692490
If you want to use the kits at their advertised speed at timing, it's safer to buy a new kit (2x 16GB).
A set made by the same brand with the same speed & timings might be using a different memory chip (Samsung, Hynix, Micron, etc.)

This Flare 2x 8GB kit matches all those specs, but it's not worth the potential headache.
https://www.ebay.com/p/6033525113

Buy one of these kits, I'm more familiar with Team Group than the other brand but it shouldn't matter too much.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wNt9TW/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-ttced432g3200hc16fdc01
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WVcgXL/timetec-pinnacle-konduit-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-pkmd4u32c16cnhb16gk2

>>105692552
Back in the late 2010s, there was a need for NVIDIA's workstation GPUs to have Tensor cores (for AI training & inference) and RT cores.
They don't design a gaming-exclusive GPU, GeForce chips are just reconfigured from multi-purpose GPUs.
So NVIDIA had to introduce new gaming graphics features that justified the Ray Tracing and Tensor cores they added with Turing GPUs (RTX 20).

Real-time ray tracing makes use of those RT cores but is very hardware-demanding to run.
NVIDIA developed DLSS that uses the Tensor cores to improve performance by upscaling graphics from a lower internal resolution.

>>105692574
I confirmed what my RAM was last night, so I know I'd be getting the same stuff.
RAM speed and timing, I kept trying over the years with different motherboard updates to try and get my RAM to run at 3200mhz properly, as it's supposed to be able to (when overclocked though), with zero success. It would just crash upon restart.

I'm also partial to this, because it frees up my limited budget for getting 2tb SSD > 1tb SSD sooner rather than later.

>>105691726
>Probably an RX 6600 or an affordable used card, but performance might be badly affected if it has to run on Gen 3x 8.
What about an intel B580, would I run compatibility issues?

>>105692552
It's the same reason why TVs have motion smoothing. Most people don't like the judder at low framerates like 24 fps movies or if you're playing at sub 60 fps it'll smooth it out by generating more frames for a visually mode fluid experience. Not everyone will like it but it's a nice feature to have. I use lossless scaling with GTA 4 because it has a hard 60 fps cap or the game physics start fucking up but with frame gen from 60 to 120 fps it provides a significantly visually smoother experience on my 4k 144hz display. But the results will vary game per game and person by person.

>>105692650
B580 performance might also be affected because it goes from Gen 4 x8 to G3 x8, I don't know by how much.
Worth a purchase and return it if you're not getting value for money.
They're both good GPUs, recommended the RX 6600 because you can probably find some affordable ones in the used market.

>>105692648
>I kept trying over the years with different motherboard updates to try and get my RAM to run at 3200mhz properly, as it's supposed to be able to (when overclocked though), with zero success. It would just crash upon restart
2600X probably won't give you any more luck than the 1600X
AMD did a major memory controller update with ryzen 3000
obviously, get the basics sorted out first, like making sure the sticks are in the right slots (your mobo should not be a limiting factor)

>>105692698
They are in the right slots. I may be tech retarded now but I wasn't back then. I several friends look at it and they had no idea what was wrong with it, which is freaky.

I had thoughts about getting a 5000 series Ryzen, but I decided against it. I'm not opposed to buying something as they get older and more affordable though.

Anyway, other than luck of the draw with failures out of the box, is there any reason to spend way more on getting new RAM entirely over just doubling what I have with used stuff? If I'm 100% confirmed getting the exact same stuff there's no problem with speed, timing, and the chip, right?

>>105692647
Based. Thank you for the lore update anon
>>105692652
>But the results will vary game per game and person by person.
To be fair I only tested it with one game so far (Hitman World of Assassination), so maybe it's also not good there, or just in combination with my settings, but when I turn it on and look around it looks blurry and the faster I go, the more stuttery it becomes. I'll have to try it in a scenario like what you described

>>105685882
> PS4 game
Ofcourse the game's built for 8GB.

>>105692738
>I may be tech retarded now but I wasn't back then. I several friends look at it and they had no idea what was wrong with it, which is freaky.
i'm saying it's a fairly typical situation for a 1600X
you can try 3000, 2933, 2866, etc
>is there any reason to spend way more on getting new RAM entirely over just doubling what I have with used stuff?
4 sticks is even harder to run
>If I'm 100% confirmed getting the exact same stuff
that's not confirmed, like the other anon said two kits from the same brand don't necessarily use the same memory chips

>>105692806
>>105692806
>>105692806

>>105692739
DLSS super resolution and DLSS frame gen aren't the same thing. Super resolution is tech to generate larger output resolutions from smaller internal resolutions, and in the case of DLSS 4 it's 99% identical to native, but because you're running lower resolutions internally you get higher fps, less power draw and cooler thermals. Frame gen is generating fake frames in between real frames to make a more fluid experience but it's still relatively new tech in gaming so not every implementation of it will be the same. DLSS 4 super res is pretty much universally excellent and in some cases provides superior image clarity compared to native if a game uses TAA for anti aliasing which introduces a blur to the image, which DLSS 4 super res overrides and adds some sharpening.

>>105691668
Not at all, I’m tuning up a dozen old pcs and selling the leftover parts

>>105687096
either wait for the 60 series, wait for the 5070/5080/ti SUPERs, or, if you really wanna spend money you don't have, get the 5070 ti under 800 usd or the 5080 under 950 usd. do not shell out more for those cards, and don't purchase the 5060 under any circumstances.

>>105692185
rx 9000 is selling over msrp while rtx 5000 is selling under msrp.
but ok.

>>105692231
nvidia spends money for exclusivity and helps them in development by basically doing implementation of their features.

>>105693114
>while rtx 5000 is selling under msrp.
Not the ones people are willing to pay near MSRP (5060 Ti 16GB, 5070 Ti, 5080, 5090).
The same goes for the undesirable Radeon cards.

>>105690859
I just want my USB ports on the front and not the top