Thread 105683897

Hi /g/

I don't really know who to talk to this about but I'm currently majoring in Comp Sci and i'm a little nervous about the current employment outlook for graduates such as myself.

Many of you should be aware or even victim to the mass layoffs currently taking place in the tech idustry right now and it seems all entry level positions that would normally be filled by new Comp Sci, SWE, or Programming graduates are being completely wiped out by AI.

Is this just going to be a downward spiral or will it eventually stabilize??? People like me created AI, so they wouldnt be dumb enough to create something that would fully replace them, right?

Im legit wondering if I would be better off just dropping out and not accumulating all this debt for a jobs that won't even exist by the time I earn my diploma.

>>105683897 (OP)
If you're not brown or a train you'll never find a job.

IDGAF kill everyone in the tech industry.

>>105683897 (OP)
I've heard it's easy to get drunk on Strong Zero. I don't believe it will be a downward spiral, but I think the bar for employment will raise gradually as AI gets better and better. The fundamental problem with these new breakthrough models is that they don't actually have any reasoning capability, as a compsci student you probably already know this though... nothing will save us after we get actually intelligent AI.

if you're in the us you're ngmi. in europe getting a job in IT is easy if not stupid if you know how to lie in your cv and how to do interviews.

>>105683939
>I've heard it's easy to get drunk on Strong Zero.
They're 9% compared to the 3-5% of beer.

>>105683939
if you're a 16 bmi asian twink then yes it's pretty easy to get wasted on 2 standard drinks, especially on an empty stomach

>>105683897 (OP)
Less 4chan. More applying.

>>105683897 (OP)
"""senior""" dev here
The market is completely fucked. Entry level positions are basically nonexistent, only seniors and staff and above positions exist. And that's just barely - I always keep an eye on the job market and send out applications every once in a while (probably 1-2 a week tops) and haven't gotten any responses.
AI is only part of the problem though, the other is outsourcing. Many jobs are going to India, Mexico etc.
I work with AI daily and unironically think AI will be writing 90% of new code in a few years, and we programmers will just be managing an army of AIs. Kind of like how 60 years ago people wrote assembly, then someone invented the compiler and people moved up a level and had machines translate their code into assembly.
Anyways, your best bet is to go into something that's tech-related but not directly involved with programming. I'd suggest cloud computing or devops or something. It's not something they teach in university but there are a ton of AWS courses online. If you can self-study this and have some working cloud projects I think you might have a chance at a job.

>People like me created AI, so they wouldnt be dumb enough to create something that would fully replace them, right?
lmao

>>105684432
FML, I don't even know if Cloud Computing will be safe from AI.

It seems like i would be better off joining the army or learning a trade at this point. This is seriously depressing me.

>>105683897 (OP)
double major. learn something else which would benefit from your CS skills.

>>105684515
Like what?

Go into networking. Much safer than code. Many places have internal networks due to security concerns. And that's not going away any time soon.
Even then, there will ALWAYS need to be someone to physically plug the thing into whatever cloud service everyone is switching to. Code can be fully outsourced. Networking cannot.

>>105684518
science shit, lab shit. work you can automate and write software for. cs alone is too generic now.

>>105684531
anon....im currently in a discord server with a guy who majored in Geographic Information Systems where they literally code digital maps for various computer systems. He graduated 3 yrs before me, and still can't find a job.

>>105684544
>Geographic Information Systems
Yeah, don't choose that then. Also, get internships while you finish that second major. The internship to first job pipeline is real.

>>105684559
I'm getting conflicting information from you

>>105684564
Has the GIS job market ever been good? It sounds like he didn't research. It may be the kind of degree that is useless without a doctorate.

>>105684576
Admittedly I don't know much about that major or its career prospects but according to him, it was a pretty secure field for employment up until recently. It does involve quite a bit of coding/programming knowledge and its highly specialized technical field so it would be prime target for AI as well.

>>105683897 (OP)
>Is this just going to be a downward spiral or will it eventually stabilize???
Eventually something will be worked out because otherwise all the current people in the industry would eventually get old and die (or give in to a voluntary buy-out). But that something will likely just be shipping in more Indians; we got a taste of that future towards the end of last year with Vivek and Elon's attitudes towards American workers. At this point there are so many Indians who have citizenship in the US that even if the H1B was fully cut off there are still so many of them here that they can just keep hiring each other. In a few years we'd need the equivalent of Gaddafi expelling all the jews from Libya for Americans to have a chance, but it won't happen with the current people in power.

>we programmers will just be managing an army of AIs
I see it more as 80% of a typical SWE's duties not changing much since a lot of it tends to be just fixing existing code, it's just that the 20% of the job which is writing new code will be a senior running some query and then passing the resulting slop along to the juniors for them to fix.

>>105684500
Don't join the army that's retarded
I think cloud computing will be safe, though obviously no one knows for sure. I think AI will struggle with stuff like architecture and distributed systems. It might be able to write a CDK or terraform script if you tell it what resources you need and how they're connected, but there would still be a human specifying that part. And I don't see how AI could analyze logs across different systems to debug an error or outage (which is a core part of devops).

>>105684589
Learn something stable with your second major. Automate things and make them better with your CS degree. Write specialized software for the field. You're going to end up graduating into a very tough job market that likely won't recover quickly.

>>105683897 (OP)
that bitch is either fat or has a goiter

>>105683897 (OP)
This picture is Japanese for
>lets have sex tonight

One cheat code is government contracting where the position requires US citizenship. Doesn't mean you'll get it, but that does filter out most jeets.

>>>105684814
is she handing this to her Nigerian boyfriend?
>>105684814
yeah with their immigrant Nigerian/Somalian boyfriends

>>105683897 (OP)
I'm in a similar boat as you. I'm just going to complete my degree but not expect to get any tech/programming employment. I'll probably just end up working shit jobs or going to a different industry if possible.
There's a bit of hope in me though, that less people will keep majoring in CS because of the shit job market, LLMs won't get much better at writing code, and companies will realize outsourcing and hiring visas is terrible for quality and security, and all these factors combined will fix the job market.
But that's unlikely.

>>105683922
We should've done that 10 years ago when they started mass data collection and privacy violation.

>>105683897 (OP)
I've been working in software for 14 years and I'm a lead engineer and I never got a degree. If you are not a fag and you are genuinely interesting in programming, then you will get a job. Most of the people who can't get jobs are memers who thought they could get an easy job just by getting the degree. You can even drop out and get a software job, only thing is you first few years of programming might be doing relatively shit work for not great pay.

>>105686028
>I've been working in software for 14 years
It isn't 2011 anymore, compsci is one of the most popular degree fields and everyone and their mother has tried to learn to code as some point. You're just carried by your seniority and work experience but for new grads the market is completely fucked unless they're some brownoid nepotism/DEI hire. At the very least you need internships to get hired and most companies don't take interns that aren't getting a bachelor's so college is mandatory in that regard.

A new graduate could be one of the most dedicated programmers out there with tons of impressive personal projects but there are thousands of over people applying for the same opening as him and he will probably get passed up by some visajeet with a completely fake resume.

>>105683897 (OP)
>he only does it for the money
ngmi

>>105686006
no joke, I pity you
t. 2017 graduate

>>105683911
Thank God I'm trans, enjoy unemployment chud

how did so many people not get filtered by the math in cs

>>105686267
Math standards for CS graduates have been dropping recently I think, because much of it isn't applicable for code monkey shit

>>105683897 (OP)
A degree helps in IT a lot. Pick a field and know what you want to do BEFORE you graduate.

>>105683897 (OP)
The hire hype will not come back. Job only from indications / networking.
AI is cope, can not replace humans anytime soon. Learn to use shitty AI tool and slap a repo like: My own search engine made with AI in 24h (lie about the time too).
Consider cyber security, but that job is more about appearances than actual security (if you don't think so just look up woman claiming to working cyber sec)
Consider just becoming a scammer, a pich here and a fake account there nets enough money to live above average. Niggers so recently hit small fortune (think 15 minutes of fame rapper, some good drug deal, a hit) always lose their money to a scammer in a few days, it could be you doing us this favor!
If your brain is really really big, consider working on developing the algorithms for training, or actual cyber security. Start small, if brain big you go far, if not...
If your brain is normal, keep a few steps ahead of normies because the market is saturated, network for a job.
Consider selling a product, you'll be surprised how many people need websites with a simple CRUD, some excel scripts, some scripts... Its not enough to be above average but is better than nothing
Consider praying to God the Father, his Son Christ and the Holy Ghost.
If you don't like coding / computers and your brain is small, consider a trade.

>>105683897 (OP)
>I'm currently majoring in Comp Sci
cash your tuition. tonight. if you even can.

>>105683897 (OP)
God I wish they sold strong zero in the states (the real japanese recipe, not the garbage we have). closest I've found is long drink.

>>105684607
AI bros are coping hard with debug analysis. The most recent method runs many iterations feed the error log back to the """agent""" until it """"""stops"""""" hallucinating (it doesn't).

Imagine an AI trying to figure out why the data is not saving after committing because of a wrong DB configuration. A simple "oh fuck I am using the wrong database! its supposed to be hmg1 not hmg0 lmao" will cost terabytes of VRAM and a whole ocean worth of hydroelectricity to figure out junior level problems. Actual Lmao

>>105686458
but DUUUUDE it'll get better, also the line is going up so we can afford it anyway!!

>>105686249
ignorant comment

>>105683897 (OP)
>Many of you should be aware or even victim to the mass layoffs currently taking place in the tech idustry right now
I'm fine because I'm not a junior, but yes I'm aware of how bad it is for you guys
>all entry level positions that would normally be filled by new Comp Sci, SWE, or Programming graduates are being completely wiped out by AI
AI actually has nothing to do with it. The US tax code was changed so that hiring SWEs is nowhere as financially beneficial as it used to be, so companies stopped putting up with all the completely incompetent new grads that they used to tolerate. But don't worry, AI is advancing just fast enough that it probably will be ready to take your jobs by the time the tax code gets reverted.
>People like me created AI
You are nothing like the people who created AI, and only you are going to be replaced.
>Im legit wondering if I would be better off just dropping out
You absolutely would be, and that was also the case 5 years ago.

>>105686708
thanks for the bump I suppose

>>105686743
Learn about sage, newfag