Thread 105684449

>Interviewing
Neetcode 150: https://neetcode.io/practice
Tips and interview practice: https://blog.interviewing.io/

>How to write a resume
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://github.com/petermekhaeil/salary-negotiating
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io/
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net/
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org/
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog/

>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com/
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com/
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com/
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus

>Unemployment Advice
Interview Prep - https://www.wikihow.com/Ask-Your-Parents-for-Money
Building a Resume - https://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Manifesto
Salary Stuff - https://www.usa.gov/benefit-finder/disability
Emotional Support - https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods
People who will be joining us shortly - https://layoffs.fyi

>International Job Boards
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/
Indeed - https://www.indeed.com/
Hiring Cafe - https://hiring.cafe/
YCombinator - https://www.workatastartup.com/companies
Wellfound - https://wellfound.com/jobs

>Anti-Pajeet Job Boards
USAJobs - https://www.usajobs.gov/
Clearancejobs - https://www.clearancejobs.com/

Hate H1B? Spam the newspaper classifieds

Part of the process of “proving” that it doesn’t displace american workers is to run an ad in the newspaper.
(and there’s usually zero candidates that apply)

https://youtu.be/TCbFEgFajGU

After 4 stages of interviews, including a technical interview that I spent 70+ hours on, I have been invited to a final stage interview

it's 90 minutes long and two stages, but I'm told that it should be a formality after what I've already been through, I'm not breathing easy though...

>>105685368
What sort of company? FAANG? FAANG-tier? Tech vs non-tech?

I've interviewed for tech-adjacent (non-SWE) internships where the interview process is literally just phone screen + "OA" (a joke) + behavioral interview with maybe some technical stuff. Not mega ultra FAANG-tier though, just locally.

product designers how we holding up

Gm wfh chads.

Have my possible layoff meeting now. Wish me luck.

>>105685623
Hope you get a good severance package

>>105685623
good luck
mine is next week

>know a CS grad that has 1-2 years of experience still looking for job since a year ago
>denied from a shitty tech support role because they seemed to be more "tech focused than customer focused" and they "wouldn't be happy there"
what do you do in this situation?
over qualified for shitty IT jobs
under qualified for entry level CS jobs

>doing Cloud Resume Challenge
>ChatGPT is helping me to make it mostly trivial

I feel major imposter syndrome right now

>>105685861
Time to build a portfolio, if you're a CS major.

>>105685861
In both cases: change up your resume and/or improve your interview skills (make up stories that fit their narrative)

Should I take voluntary redundancy from a job that I fucking hate? They would give me 3 months severance. I’m mid level with 3 YoE. Unsure if I would make it in this market. I don’t think that the grass is so much greener anywhere else but I’m tired of this fucking job

another day of 0 answers

>>105684449 (OP)
Most of you don't remember the time where you just picked up an activity and did it for fun and for the joy you feel while doing it, forgetting time and the concept of an occupation.
It is a state you were in when you were a child, exploring the things as they come along, your mind was not infected by abstract concepts tied to your survival in the modern world.
The system loves to play with your primal fears to control you, it is by design to shoehorn you into behavior that was never meant for you.
This concept of preparing, caring about and improving as if it's a lifelong, endless job is holding you back. It all stems from deep rooted insecurity that you are not already capable to do it, so you limit yourself to predetermined paths, losing flexibility of perception.
Pick up some system where you have no idea about how it works and then rebuild it, explore its inner mechanics.
You stop thinking out of the box and constrain yourself to concepts you picked up online or during some job. Essentially you are blind, you don't see the forest for the trees.
The moment you care about a topic and the moment you start to perceive the dots connecting all the lines is when you can sit down for hours and days as if you are in a never ending flow state. Time will fly and at the fastest rate your perception will pick up on concepts naturally.
Go have some fun for once and stop caring so much.
Don't let the system du jour consume your soul.
Close your mind off from the concept of work and money, time and value, it is holding you back.
Take a vacation from clown world and do some ergotherapy, draw some boobs, clone some web app, I don't know, but enjoy yourself <3

Just got fired on the spot because a car crashed into a power pole while I was on a call. The power didn't go out (I have a UPS and auto-start generator) but apparently my manager heard the crash outside.

They said I lied about my "access to technology" because the job description noted needing a quiet home office. I don't have pets or kids or even a wife so I thought it would be good enough but apparently there being noises outside counts too??

>>105686480
I take this is a remote job? And they fired you for hearing a noise in the background? Do they not know car crashes are very loud? Or did they think you were going to some library for the job?
Could probably be a good lawsuit.

>>105684449 (OP)
CS is now a meme degree it seems. There is just no career for those who have been left out and weren't in early enough.

>>105686505
If you think that's bad, I once failed an interview because the building fire alarm went off. They seemed understanding enough about letting me go during the call, but when I emailed them back to reschedule they said that they would "not be moving forward due to my unreliability"

>>105686480
>>105686505
>>105686664
No one wants to work anymore. Kids these days have no Gumption or Courage... Mike Rowe was right, please tag in Mike Row, save us Mike Rowe..>!!!

>>105686555
Honestly, Im a nettech. I have seen the quality of "IT management" grads. They literally don't know fucking shit, and worse, they can't learn fucking shit. I rather hire a highschooler with an A+ then some larper with a degree. its like the degree program thought them nothing.
>>105686761
Mike Rowe is right about one thing. College is a fucking meme and its value only exists because of faggot baby boomers. IT was a great field until college started getting involved. Now we are getting techs with degrees and they are fucking retarded.

>>105686806
>College is a fucking meme
only because colleges are no longer about educating people (in lieu of throwing underpaid grad students at problems private industry wants to cheap out of) and HR staceys/karens/roasties started parroting the old "certificates and degrees are not accomplishments you need to have an LLC valued higher than our own company to work here" shit.

>>105686856
It used to be that you got into IT as a hobby. That you learned things on your own. That you installed linux, setup your own server, installed openwrt on a device and setup up your own vlan. Their was passion in wanting to learn. Even certs are better, no professor or lesson plan, just study and get your netplus. College grads now? IT management degree holders don't know fucking shit, its like they memorized it for a test, then deleted it. They don't know how to pirate media, they never used linux except for class. Only know the definition of a vlan. ect. It's like their career advisor at the college asked them
>"what yo you like? computer games? you should do IT!"
>"Ya, I think IT would be easy, I like playing fortnite"
I am not trying to claim superiority, I don't I have a degree in IT, my degree is unrelated to the field, I got my A+ in 2019 and have always fucked around with PC's linux, home lab ect.
These kids know fucking nothing. I have seen both types of IT guys in the networking field. The ones without degrees always seem to know their shit compared to the faggot with the fake degree.

Master's degree in CS is so fucking useless from my experience. Even scoring really well on interviews/tests won't get me anywhere since there's always some nepo baby with referral or recommendation. I'm fed up with licking filthy employer's asses for nothing..
Anyway, how is it to work in McDonalds? Junior dev's net salary is the same as entry McDonalds worker salary where I live.

>>105686908
This never happened. All the old graybeard (and graymuzzled) coooooders were MIT graduates. Not as in "they graduated from MIT" but most of them worked there and then started their own companies later. The dotcom era following it was similarly mostly actually formally trained engineers and all the consistently big money was made on network hardware.

If anything the "just hire hobbyists lol" era is where wages started to drop (because they could justify not paying non-grads as much) and bootcamp nonsense started to take hold (since schools were already bad in general, but CS programs tended to be woefully out of date all the time and didn't provide foundational "always-relevant to work on anything without breaking it but you won't invent anything new with this" type knowledge the same way proper engineering schooling does)

>>105686230
If the terms are good then sure but generally no because you can be denied unemplpyment gibs for signing under the premise that you may have not been fired otherwise because the company could have changed its mind. It also means you sign out your right to first reemployment, allowing your company to be extra jewish. In this job market you can't afford these things.

>>105686935
I would say that your sysadmins from 90s to 2010s were largely cert holders who got into a booming field that moved fast. The IT guy at the hospital or highschool didn't have a CS or IT man degree. Colleges didn't even attempt to keep up until recently with their "IT managment" degree programs which is meant to create the cert faggot with the A+ but spectacular fails at generating that. Sure high level shit that you are talking about is true. But for "IT" at the police department or whatever, they got fat fucks with a cert.

>>105686908
Same among devs, the only competent people started programming typically in their teens and are usually asocial. Until around the year 2000 those were also the people getting jobs, but increasingly it's become all about social skills and 0 thought on technical, so only dudebros were allowed in the workforce. Where it used to be possible to program without a degree, it became mandatory after 2009 or so, therefore it's no longer an indicator. It's all due to management being mba's exclusively when it was people who rose up the ladder from tech roots before.

>>105686980
yeah people like John Carmack and Bill Gates, noted recluses

>>105687003
nerds back then are chads compared to most faggots today. Carmark and gates are both fucking nerds. Carmack was playing D&D like a fucking loser back in the 90s.

>>105687003
Retarded or just pretending?

>>105687003
gates was terrible at tech which is why he enslaved a nerd to do all the work and lie and cheat him out of his dair share at every turn. The proof is in the pudding, you didn't even know that. Gates was always a businessnigger.
Carmack was indeed a classic nerd with no social skills

>>105687023
They're nerds, but they're not asocial recluses. And they certainly went to school. Gates himself famously only got into computers because his pre-uni schools had computers in them already.

>>105687040
nether finished college. College legit wasn't teaching them shit. Both were lucking and knew what they were doing.

>>105687040
Oh yes I forgot about gates' mit degree which he completed before he got his first job.
Retard. Keep backpedaling.

uhh no web dev general so

>get asked if I've used a design system for frontend role

Honestly I haven't.. really how deep does that go? What are the big ones, material and ant? I have always styled apps using css or some variant and more recently tailwind.

>>105687048
Webniggers deserve the rope

>>105687057
Okay say goodbye to the platform you're posting on

>>105687045
Gates didn't finish college because he was already building his business, Carmack was already knowledgeable and immediately made Id. You are neither of these people.

>>105687047
>At age 13, he enrolled in the private Lakeside Prep School.[12][13] When he was in the eighth grade, the Mothers' Club at the school used proceeds from Lakeside School's rummage sale to buy a Teletype Model 33 ASR terminal and a block of computer time on a General Electric (GE) computer for the students.
>He did not stay at Harvard long enough to choose a concentration, but took mathematics (including Math 55) and graduate level computer science courses.[23] While at Harvard, he met fellow student and future Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. Gates left Harvard after two years while Ballmer stayed and graduated magna cum laude. Years later, Ballmer succeeded Gates as Microsoft's CEO and maintained that position from 2000 until his resignation in 2014.[24][25]

>new senior on team
>show him around systems, what access is needed etc
>isn't easy to communicate with and always answers with one word
Now I see why quiet nerd grads are never hired. People are sick of dealing with people who are hard to communicate with and would rather less skilled normies who can into basic communication skills.

>>105687079
>>isn't easy to communicate with and always answers with one word
he's probably thinking "this could have been an email"

>>105687060
Case in point. The sooner you die, the faster the world can heal.

>>105687069
i have a job in IT without a degree. I have been promoted. My skills are valued. I make close to 6 figures which where I live and for my family, is good. I still don't have a faggot IT degree. My degree is in fucking history, retarded I know. No, I am not as smart as gate are carmak, I know what I don't know, I know I am dumb, but I also know college is a fucking scam and the tictoc fornite faggots being churned out now are worthless.

>>105687072
Glad you agree that you self-owned hard, with proof.

>>105687079
Why do you need more than a yes or no? Do you want him to explain how long it would take for a generic password to be bruteforced as you tell him the password requirements?

>>105687069
Proving the point. And yes, (We) were overwhelmingly like carmack.
At 13 I was already programming circles around the "best" lead devs today.

>>105687079
Efficient communication like his are objectively superior and it has been extensively demonstrated in the literature. As usual, the problem is you.

>>105687100
>And yes, (We) were overwhelmingly like carmack.
No you aren't you're a larper.

Here's your new sysadmin bro

>>105687109
Keep digging that hole and crying about it, pajeet.

>>105687116
Pajeets are the ones who think they're the gods gift to programming.

tempted to start crossdressing but retaining male pronouns (it is too hot outside for pants)

>>105687083
Process that really can only be done face to face or with screenshare. I don't want to spend hours taking screenshots and writing countless points when a 30 minute call can cover everything. My time is important too.

>>105687099
>>105687107
Triggered neets with no social skills detected.

>>105685623
What did you do?

>>105687163
What's documentation?

>>105687163
>Triggered neets with no social skills detected.
Everything you've posted so far points to you being the one failing here.

>>105687175
He failed to make line go up high enough.

>>105687197
There's an average period of 4 weeks of applying, sorting and waiting for access to countless different systems
Then learning how to actually access and navigate all the different systems
Access methods are constantly changing so documentation is always outdated
I don't need to justify this to you anyway, you're just a seething autist with zero communication skills who doesn't understand anything outside of your immediate circle of experience
Learn basic communication skills and stop being a standoffish autist, maybe then you'll be able to land a real job

>>105687258
What's documentation?

i need help finding a software job
i spent my 20s trying to study but had a whole bunch of health issues. i turned 30 and am now trying again after some odd jobs here and there, incuding a really fucked up one where i needed a lawyer.

I have a bachelor's and mainly focused on java but i learnt c++, c#, vb.net and I'm not sure where to go from here.

I never really got in the field but i want to.
What should I do?
I was planning on doing a java refresher course and plan to look into AI tools.
Do you guys have a good guide or something i can go off of?

thank you.

>>105687288
kek
did you get your degree in 2005? Anyway you're screwed. Come back in 10 yeqrs when the market fixes itself.

>>105687349
more like 5 years ago, i'm just looking for any software job to be honest. but I just want to use my degree, sunk cost falacy and all sure, but i just want to get into the field and move on with my life.

>>105684449 (OP)
Micky D's doesn't have waiters.

>>105687258
Sounds like your shit's a mess and you're crying that the new guy doesn't give a shit about the details.

>>105687288
The market's fucked and it's only going to get worse. You can try but don't expect much, people with far more experience are also struggling (depending on where you live, apparently Europe's doing alright if you're experienced).

>>105687375
You won't find shit. Just a few days ago microsoft laid off another few thousand workers. The layoffs keep happening and people from FAGMAN pedigree with 10 yoe have to look for jobs for 1-2y to get anything (and yes, they apply for junior roles). Your degree was woefully outdated even 10 years ago so that doesn't help, and ageism is real which screws you even more.

>>105687258
keep crying bitch nigga.

>>105687491
>>105687451
so what do i do?
go back and study something else?
I only did odd jobs here and there that weren't software related.
I did work an internship for a a month or so.

If i did go again, should i go for front-end with html, css, javascript, node.js and so on?
I just want to get started.

>>105687534
As I said you could try, at the end of the day it's about luck and who you know (knowing someone who can help you get your foot in the door really helps).
I can't tell you what to do though, it's up to you how long you're willing to put into looking and I'm not sure going back to school for it would help much since recent (White male) graduates are struggling to get work.

>wake up
>check email
>rejection
>rejection
>rejection
>rejection
>MLM scam recruitment
>rejection
>pajeet from a fake company sending out fake job offers
>rejection

>>105687534
Like the other anon says you can just apply and feel despair so you can reqlly internalize how hopeless your situation is. It is like a fulltime job to just apply so you'll feel almost productive for a bit.
Otherwise you should do projects on the side with modern tools while going back to your odd jobs. No amount of education will move the needle eniugh on its own, you need work experience. How to get work experience? By having years of work experience, of course!

>>105687839
maybe if you werent retarded you would have gotten a job at bitcoin and 1000x'd your money ?

>>105687593
at least you get rejections. most of the time you never even get that. just nothing.

If the job market is so bad, how does Elon Musk have a job? Are you dumber than Elon Musk?

>>105687839
>It is like a fulltime job to just apply
It really depends on where you live, in America it absolutely is because of how many applications per interview you expect to have, other countries are less-so.

>>105687885
brb getting an emerald mine owning uncle to "donate" me all his money real quick, then getting my brother to start a company and make me an exec so I can be so useless he fires me but only after I get my golden parachute. After that I'll go scam some vc's and governments I guess.

>>105687885
My dad's a forklift driver not an emerald mine owner.

>interviews with two different defence contractors this week
Is the market improooving?

>>105687923
D-FENS

>>105687923
>tfw can't even apply to those because I'm not a citizen (not brown, just wasn't born here)

>>105687923
> the only roles heavily recruiting are defense related roles
> in a time where my country is gearing up for a major conflict / war (Netherlands, Europe).

Hard pass lol.

>>105686806
IT management degrees are shit because you learn a bunch of ''would be best practices'' while you never see the nightmarish state of actual IT and infra at most companies. They don't even learn IT , on prem and cloud infra which is incredibly important to have knowledge about. How will you otherwise rate cloud operational costs? Or how will you otherwise even be able to assess how much setting up a service or process will cost both in business expenses and time from workers? It's worthless because with that degree you can't actually do what the title suggests, that is IT management.

The only good thing unis are for nowadays is teaching people math and statistics because those skills can't be frauded much and standardized testing works. Uni fails at anything beyond standardized testing and enforcing those standards. In the past assignments were a meme since they were group projects always with some leeching. Currently I guess ChatGPT is rampant for essays, heavily reducing what students learn from writing them but also the skill itself has less value. Being able to write long texts is a skill that has become more accessible due to AI. You just piece together a bunch of stuff, request the sources from the chatbot and there you'll have your literature study.

These huge literature studies of the past where they need 8 people working on mapping an area and going through the results of 250-300 papers or so can now be done by 1 person in a month with an AI.

>>105688389
It's IT support for training and R&D, not being a fucking mercenary. If anything, it's the safer option; historically, working in the MIC already lets you get out of the draft. The only unsafe part is that if Nothing Ever Happens as usual funding gets cut again and you get laid off.

>>105688452
Unis are especially bad at teaching math because of undue elitism that has been called out a few times before by some math profs. 2h of khan academy is usually more efficient than 2 semesters of uni math.

I am unemployed from july
not going to send out my CV
At least my CS degree was for free
I am comfy for the summer

the requirement to turn on your webcam for online interviews is literally the boomer equivalent of "post hands" and i think thats beautiful

>>105688483
t. Has never done any math more complex than grade 6 geometry

>>105688501
I have a math degree

>>105688483
It's about enforcing memorization and recognizing how to tackle the harder problems. You don't get that from 2h of khan academy. You do get that by practicing a lot and being able to solve such problems on an exam. That way in 2-4 years from now you can quickly re-learn and pick up what you learned before.

Personally the most valueable skills I've obtained from uni were in statistics and math because there would've been no way I would have bothered learning that outside of uni.

>>105688538
Maybe if you're retarded and need to memorize instead of learning.

>>105688553
>memorization is bad
why are the links are all purple

>>105688636
there are things that can only make sense to memorize, such as history. But logic is logic and is not something that should be memorized. It's the same reason leetcode is such a meme: pajeets eho can't hello world have no problem memorizing leetcode.

>>105688669
>what are axioms

>>105688678
Shitpost harder

Oh? You're so smart? Then what's 9 + 10?

>>105688721
21! :)

>>105687175
accidentally shared my nsfw anime desktop with the team

>>105688758
did you get laid off?

>>105688943
i tried explaining to them it that she isn't underage she's actually 1000 years old but the stupid HR roasties and boomer management fucks just called me a pedo and cancelled the zoom call and the firing email came through right after

>>105688943
I got laid.

>>105688553
You aren't exactly memorizing when studying math you need to learn the rules and apply them correctly depending on the problem. Typically you even get a note of the important rules with the formulas attached to them on an exam so even that part isn't memorization.

>>105688737
GAH DOOD

>>105685861
He's not over qualified for IT Support roles, it requires people skills that he lacks
Has he even worked a customer service role?

To be frank, most places don't want turbo nerds, even as programmers. And now they have a pool of normies to draw from they don't need us.

>>105688997
that's my point yes

>>105688943
no I got a promotion

Reminder that Bill Gates was a nepo baby
Unless you've got a well connected big tiddy Jewish mother who has connections at IBM (or FAGMAN now), his success as a drop out is irrelevant to you

>>105687079
Is this attitude why everything is so unimaginably worse by every measurable metric (except profitability, admittedly)?

Just had a dream I was onboarding at apple as a software engineer. We got through the first 2 hour mentorship session and were getting donut and coffee to start talking about version control, which was savannah for some reason. I was trying to decline the donut because I was watching my weight, but saw version control and knew it was going to be a long session so I opted for the donut. I woke up before the session started. But, they gave me an eco-friendly laptop with a limit of 3 watts on all the devices I can use in my office at one time to make sure every thing is cool for renewability.

What are you guys doing today?

>>105689368
Correct. Same with nearly all the big successes. Generally the exceptions are sheer luck such as notch without intensionality

>>105689415
Mocking your gay tranny ass for your homoerotic dreams

>>105689415
sending resumes containing mostly meaningless buzzwords to meaningless companies hoping to hit the jackpot and get relocated to some meaningless place to do meaningless work for the rest of my life, or until my depression gets bad enough again
the usual

>>105689427
My other dream I keep having is working in some sort of office tower. It starts walking out of the elevator at some 500th floor. All the walk ways don't really have doors. There is one row of offices at the edge of the floor. In the corner is the main manager and he always has an anxiety inducing lecture about performance standards. Then I walk to my office down the hall, it is like a small closet with room for my laptop and a chair. I just sit there and try and figure out performance standards for the rest of the dream before leaving for the elevator and waking up.

>>105689444
my dream would be to get hired as an office influencer and just talk to everyone on teams about their hobbies and interests. Then get relocated to rural america with a 250k/yr salary and just keep talking to everyone on teams.

>>105685368
Brutal, hopefully they have the decency to pay you at that point (paid me once one time for a multistage interview)

Its absolute bullshit for the most part, jumping through hoops for these employers just so you can do it all again in a weeks time. Should be illegal. Doing a competency task is fine but doing shit like picrel is keks

>>105689076
Yup. Someone on reddit (before it got swarmed with AI bots) said the worst person he hired for the job was the most technically qualified, because they couldn't fit in wit with company culture/get alon with the co-workers.
Another highly upvoted post said, a small private company was more interested in hiring people who were the least unqualified for the job.
Unless you've served in the military and thus have you security clearane lined up, IT is foolish to get in.
If you're legit smart, look into engineering, even computer eng engineering is 50% electrical engineering.

>looking up computer vision tutorials
>they're all pajeets
does anyone have a good youtuber for projects or am I fucked?

>>105689678
>youtuber
it was over before it even started, dumb zoomzoom

>>105689715
where should I go then?
udemy?

>>105689737
retard

>>105685623
>layoff meeting
if its an actual layoff as in, a bunch of people let go for no reason other than "we need to outsource to a punch of pajeets to look good for investors" then I really wish you luck and hope they throw a brick of money at you

t. had a brick of money thrown at me

>>105690003
not him but I got $0 in my layoff

How is this general in comparison to twg? Sick of all the crabs in the bucket on that general.

>>105690137
Crabs in the bucket plus doomposting.

>>105690071
>$0
that sucks was there any chance of suing them for wrongful termination?

>>105690137
instead of crabs in buckets we're crabs on pubes (we cause mild discomfort and are obsessed with dick)

>>105690284
no, they did it all by the most jewish books available. Even structured the company to bypass the law, legally.

>>105690137
If you thing /twg/ is crabs, the problem is 100% you. Are you the inbred who keeps asking about how to break into tech with 0 experience, no knowledge of programming, and a high school degree as your highest education?

I flunked highschool, got employed as a front end dev when I was 17 by my dad and learned completely on the job. Sucks to be you I guess

>>105690394
Now THAT's a crab

>>105690394
>blue speedo isn't a fell for it again award

>implying you can't be happy and have money if you're a college dropout
just join the military my guy

I wish a swift death to all zogbots.

I don't have the energy to apply anymore :c
Especially with companies I've interviewed before and got mysteriously ghosted despite being qualified

>>105690649
with fucking workday BITCH

>>105690649
>>105690655
You vil make more accounts and you vil give us more data to sell

>>105690649
You aren't broken enough to get hired yet. They need to grind you down completely before they accept you as a good slave.

going to a careers fair for students and recent graduates soon. any tips? never been in one of these things.

>>105690697
workday's getting sued over their software autorejecting people over 40 without involvment from client rules

After years of trying, I realized I would have been better off becoming a plumber.

genuinely thinking about going back to uni to do EE engineering, I've realised that I don't enjoy the modern state of software dev and the absolute hell rat race of trying to get a job writing software post-rona, even though I enjoy it getting rejected from mutliple shit-tier grad programs and "junior" positions not even as a developer but on helpdesk or in SOC has been a real shock to the system. only thing is I don't think I can face the disappointment of telling my parents I'm going back for another 4 years despite being in my mid 20s and never having had a real job

>>105691199
it's not too late to learn a trade

>>105689737
Buy a book

>>105691308
im not paying for your outdated dogshit

>>105691219
Could be worse, I went all the way to a PhD.
But as far as I know most of EE is as memetic as cs is today in terms of work environment. Otherwise more stable emplpyment for much lower pay, but then again intel just laid off 20% of their workforce so

>>105691367
lrn2read pajeet

>>105685512
It's just an R&D start up that recently had a huge late stage funding round, I guess they're transitioning to being an actual company

>I've interviewed for tech-adjacent (non-SWE) internships where the interview process is literally just phone screen + "OA" (a joke) + behavioral interview with maybe some technical stuff. Not mega ultra FAANG-tier though, just locally.
My first job back in 2020 was like that, oh how times have a changed

>>105689617
>I hope they pay you
yeah I doubt it lmao
anyway yeah it's BS but honestly it wasn't so bad after 7 months of unemployment

Is working in the MIC a social death sentence in this industry?

Every single company I've ever worked at has had leftist faggots who are outspokenly against the MIC, I can't imagine these guys supporting your application if they see Lockheed Martin on your resume or something similar...

>>105687079
kek you're just mad he didn't suck your dick and is focusing on his work

>>105687079
Yeah desu I agree with >>105691953

>8 months since lay off
>Haven't had an interview since February
I've been stuck in a rut of apathy for a month maybe two, can't even be bothered applying anymore.
How do you break out of it and keep yourselves going?

>>105692026
idk :c
maybe one step is to fight the urge to get drunk every day

>>105692040
paradigm shifting with this creature (Rapid Growth refers to line going up, not my penis)

what are some kewl sysadmin certs and projects to do?

>>105692278
suicide and compounding your own cyanide for it.

>>105692278
powershell in hell

>>105692278
just apply for helldesk it's easier with the same amount of misery

>>105692359
>>105692352
>>105692311

so go for the redhat sysadmin cert. ok got it.

Found an awesome job posting from genentech!
>south sf
>5 yoe required
>expected work hours: 60-80 depending on deadlines
>110-120k salary range

>>105692377
Perfect for you

There are too many employable fags on this thread. This thread is for the actually hopeless.

>>105692466
I think I’m unemployable at this point, I have a CS degree from a shitty university, 3 years of dev experience, and have never had to pass an interview process aside from an internship where I was offered a full time position. I’ve been unemployed for two months atp and I fucked up every interview I’ve had so far, I can’t even get past the behavioral stage because I get too nervous and end up stumbling on my responses. Fuck this field desu

i have so much fucking dandruff bros. no one will hire me like this

>lucky enough to be born a white male in the US of A at the turn of the millennium
>End up delivering office AV systems for a 20/hr

Things are not working out

>>105689179
Is there some based vintage loli connoisseur in the management? Based

>>105688492
you can put "invented time travel" in your resume and see if that helps

>>105692531
same. i can't do technical interviews. i have no problem talking thoughever

>>105692026
Recruiters on linkedin will never stop bothering me. I still get 1-3 per week for shitty consultancy jobs that nobody wants do. Nobody wants to get 10-15 hours of unpaid work in the form of commuting to clients. It's the most important reason why I refuse consultancies they're all like this and the people working there are all fake af being severely underpaid compared to what the company charges the client(s).
>>105690649
Yes I sometimes wonder what the point is of applications that I send or if I should even bother with some companies. Especially when given an auto rejection for roles where I more than qualify for.

>>105692666
you need to be white straight male. And sadly you are a faggot

How is the job market in Switzerland for a senior webdev (10 years)? I just want to secure a position in finance or insurance tech for the next 5 years and retire (should have my third apartment to rent out by that time)

>>105692019
>yes goy, abandon your home country for money

>>105693197
no, goy, die in a war for kike billionaires

>>105693178
I literally moved away from Switzerland because of the layoffs in the tech sector in Zurich. Also I already spoke German but it was impossible to converse with these people. Their "German" is more like Dutch, completely incomprehensible to me but most employees were expat so I spoke English at work.

I'm going to try Germany again and then maybe Poland and if I can't find something stable and good I'm considering moving back to the states or maybe even changing careers.

>>105684449 (OP)
>Unemployable
Nigga just have connections lmao

>>105693226
But the layoffs happened everywhere, not just in Zurich/Switzerland. Here in Germany some of my former colleagues also have been looking for a job for more than a year. I have been fired myself for getting in a conflict with a PO this year, but luckily could secure a job shortly after, but that came at a cost (salary and technology in the project is shit). I assumed Switzerland is a bit better off as they don't rely so much on heavy industry (electricity, resources, supply chain problems)

>>105687112
damn I love >her

Hello anons, I hope I'm posting this in the right place (if not, please tell me where it would be more appropriate):
So following situation, I dropped out of university after 4 years (CS), mainly because I hated what I was studying and also because the covid lockdowns absolutely ruined me mentally (doing much better now).

I'm now thinking of applying for entry level software sales jobs in Ireland, since I heard there's good demand for people who speak German and English fluently. But how do I make my CV? Should I just mention where I studied but not leave out the fact that I didn't get a degree? Should I "shorten" the time I spent studying so it doesn't look that bad? And to make things worse, I basically have zero work experience beside working in my parents' small business, but I was more of a helping hand and mainly taking care of bureaucratic things, so it's not like I was officially employed.

Is there even a point in applying for such jobs in Ireland, or would I be wasting my time? Any alternatives beside putting the fries in the bag at McDonald's? To be honest, it might seem contradictory to what I've already mentioned about myself, but (lack of) intelligence wasn't really my issue, but rather the fact that I was naive and lacked the will and motivation to study something I hated, which is how I ended up in this situation.

Anyways, thanks for reading my semi-gay reply and I would appreciate and tips and advice.

>>105693761
Forgot to mention that I'm from Germany.

>>105693895
greetings from germany
kick cancer's butt

my biggest problem working in this field is that my cognitive factulties are all over the place

some days my brain works reallyreallyreallyreally fast, I notice patterns in everything and feel super excited and curious, sometimes I even notice my mind split into two seperate monologues allowing me to think concurrenty which isn't as confusing as it sounds, but before long I end up experiencing a panic attack and entering a near weird dissasociated state the rest of the days, if I'm lucky I can ride this momentum for several days in a row and get a ton of shit of done before crashing

otherdays I'm basically in a cataconic super low energy state where I hardly have the energy to do anything including forcing facial expressions, people ask me if I'm alright constantly and my mind just feels kinda slow and uninspired, in practice I don't seem that much dumber than usual, I can still solve hard leetcodes kinda easily, but I just have a harder time communicating and finding words, the biggest problem is that I just feel nohing, no excitement, no fear, no joy, no anger, I just feel inert

I also have constant low-level headaches which may or may not be related

this has been going on for years now and there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it

>>105694182
are u drinking Water

>>105694228
yes I drink 2000-3000ml of water every day, more if I'm sweating

>>105694182
lol this pretty much describes my life having to use stimulants to get work done. it isnt very pleasant. having to deal with it naturally would be miserable. you might have some sort of type 2 bipolar thing going on desu.

>>105694237
piss

>>105693197
>yes goy die in the streets for "your country" which actively hates you and seeks to destroy you

>>105694304
what stimulants are we talking?

>>105693761
0/10 b8

Realistically, what are the chances of getting employed again after 7yrs of unemployment?
I went back to uni to finish my CS master's during pandemic, but it clearly was the wrong move, because I missed the hiring window in 2021 and failed to find any job after that.

>>105694349
Realistically, 0. But at least you'll be high in the ladder when the market recovers.

>>105694321
every 2-3 hours

>>105694304
hmm maybe, I've been thorugh 3 rounds of CBT therapy for depression at this point and it always ends with "oh well it's been 10 weeks and you seem fine so I'm discharging you please right a nice review :)"

>>105694349
it is over for you

>>105694338
just dex amp. the goat.

a lot of it is my fault, im always trying to push myself to do more and more and more at work.

>>105694366
psychiatrists are never going to help you, you have to figure shit out yourself and insist on particular solutions you think will work. otherwise they will waste a lot of your time and money, and potentially fuck you up too. i know a lot of dudes who were diagnosed bipolar who obviously werent, but its standard clinical guidelines to do so if depression treatments dont work, which they rarely do. the thing about mood stabilizers is they destroy your brain and body, and psychs will prescribe them like theyre safe and not tell you.

>>105694386
>the goat
enjoy your tolerance build up, junkie

>>105694393
ive been taking it for more than a decade and its mostly stable. its not preferable by any means, but i play the hand im dealt. it always confuses me how people want to self diagnose adhd or get on stims for the hell of it though. its not a fun thing to rely on.

>>105694386
thanks for the advice anon, I have another round of CBT coming up soon and try that
>mood stabilizers destroy your brain
yeah, I learned the hard way
>t. got pushed into taking psychmeds by my doctor which ruined my natural charisma and fried my memory even after coming off them
>still feel zero pleasure from sex unless I ejaculate during while peaking on literal fucking psychedelics (which I'm now trying to avoid because they're actively worsening my mental health)
it's fucking unreal, I genuinely think zoloft fucked my shit up more than smoking heroin for a year did,

i will never not read cbt as cock and ball torture and like people are solving their burnout/depression/etc by seeing a bdsm mistress

>>105694445
gl on your quest to thrive on this shithole planet anon

>>105694347
How is this bait? Just don't reply if you don't have anything to say.

>>105694349
how much relevant experience do you have to CS roles?

>>105695241
like 2yrs in total of sw dev.
all of them were interships or adjacent trashy jobs that led nowhere.

>>105691367
>paying for books
>in 2025

I know I'm not going to go anywhere with my life if I don't change my degree but I don't know what I want to do that's not CS
I spent my entire life so far just messing around with computers and I'm too autistic for anything else
FUCK

>>105695323
healthcare you stupid fuck

>>105695323
>Too autistic for anything else
Yeah. P much this desu

>>105695327
What is a failed techlet going to do in CS? Wipe comatose fat people's asses for them?

>>105695266
you will have a better chance if you do not mention any dates in your resume and instead list the period of time you were employed
so if you worked for a company between jan and jun you would list 6 months

>>105695334
hospitals are practically entire ecosystems themselves, you could work in IT, repair medical devices, operate medical equipment, staff their on-site pharmacy, etc.
there's more than just patient care

>>105694349
>35 year old applies for coding job with 2 years of internship experience and 7 year gap in resume
Try getting a help desk job and then weasel your way into an ops role. I don't even think "Sysadmin" is even a role anymore so I think that route is dead. Just take the 40k entry level position and see if you can get some certs that the company pays for. If you're not fucking ugly as shit you could also try sales, but I imagine you're terrible with people and probably stink.

>>105695466
>but I imagine you're terrible with people and probably stink.
youre right about that

>work at big bank
>in the tech department
>projects take 8 LITERAL years to complete
>all product owners have zero actual tech skills and thus give blown out timelines and costs
can't wait for all banks to collapse

>>105695466
okay NTA but i have good social skills kinda ugly and short. wtf do i do other than tech cba with this shit

What was the longest you had to wait for a rejection?
For me I got a rejection 1 year after applying. Probably on a timer.

>>105695557
Isn't that the nice thing of having a job? You dont have to deliver squat. They pay you to do your job and if the final product flops, you were still paid that entire time. Only sucky part is getting laid off after.

>>105685368
All so you can change the color of a button no one will click on in a website no one visits.

>>105696587
this is the true hell that awaits 90 percent of tech graduates.

>>105685331
Do newspapers even HAVE Classifieds now? Like the last time I saw them (2019-2020) there was NO ADS in them. NONE. Literally like two pages advertising sections to put things in.

>work all weekend
>absolutely haul ass getting shit in order for the week
>have a single day off (Monday)
>come in this morning
>my desk is fucking trashed, have a Teams message from my manager saying "sorry, we trashed your desk" with no fucking explanation of why
>literally piles of trash and actual fucking dirt on my desk
>absolutely everything I spent the weekend getting straight is fucked
>tickets are not closed out
>orders are not placed
>orders have not been received
>spend the first hour of the day answering angry emails from clients asking for updates on shit my coworkers have apparently tried to bury
>everyone that worked yesterday took today off
>get passive aggressive email from boss's boss about even more meaningless bullshit checklists and reports I need to fill out every day just to make more busywork
I'm so fucking close to walking out
I'm so fucking close to walking out
I'm so fucking close to walking out
God I want a real fucking job

>>105685331
They'll auto-reject you for any reason at all.
I read an article of someone who actually did the legwork and tried to apply to a bunch of them, iirc most were fake addresses and the ones that weren't told him "Sorry this job is slated for visa holders" or "Uhh.... There's no positions available, sorry".

anyone else do a mock interview with chatgpt, it gave me positive feedback for all my responses and when I asked if it was sure or could provide any feedback it didn't have any
i can't tell if it's because i'm genuinely giving good answers or if it just glazes you constantly

>>105696730
Hell, my internship denied me "despite being highly knowledgeable and friendly" and being on one of the two workstation PC's in the place because "we're a small business, we can't afford to hire you."

Folks will use ANY excuse they can to look like they're hiring but really not.

with how the world is now i feel like i should adopt FIRE strats, i have no idea if i'll even have a career by the time i am meant to retire

>>105685331
Applying for jobs is such a boomer concept.

I just snail mail Polaroids of junk to Unisoft and I've been employed for years at a technology company in the midwest

>>105696752
I advise against doing this at all costs. ChatGPT is a sycophant that positively responds to anything, and this could create a false sense of security.

>>105693226
>Also I already spoke German but it was impossible to converse with these people. Their "German" is more like Dutch, completely incomprehensible to me but most employees were expat so I spoke English at work.
feels good

>>105684449 (OP)
>Qualifications
>Currently pursuing a degree in Computer Science, Data Science, Information Systems, or a related field; Check
>Proficiency in Python and familiarity with libraries such as Pandas; Check
>Working knowledge of SQL and relational databases; Check
>Strong interest in data infrastructure, analytics, and engineering; Check
>Good problem-solving and communication skills; Check
>Familiarity with tools such as Django, JupyterHub, or JavaScript is a plus; Check
>Experience with cloud platforms (e.g., AWS) or data orchestration tools (e.g., Airflow) is a bonus; Check
>Proficiency in Mandarin is a plus. ??? How is this allowed?

>>105696705
they have declared war, anon
it's time to up your sociopath game

>>105697545
just jeet things

>>105697502
>is a plus
aka someone applying has it so it's mandatory.
It's likely that the main company is in China or you have to interact with a Chinese branch. Or perhaps some of the software you're writing is being sold to the Chinese.

>>105697502
they'll autoreject you within 15 seconds of applying even if you have mandarin, too

>>105697545
>poo in loo pajeet, not in water cooler
On the other hand he could claim it's cultural and he didn't know

I'm in a sysadmin job that I fucking hate. I think that I'm either a poor fit for the organization and its culture or it's just the wrong job for me after all.

I'm thinking about just quitting but I'm not sure if I'm really employable for anything else. Fuck me. At least I have enough money to last quite a while.

>>105685861
Assuming it is what is usually called helpdesk, then whoever is doing the hiring is probably right. Helpdesk usually isn't really even a "tech" job, it's customer service. He wouldn't be happy there and would probably have a hard time putting up with it. I get some spillover from helpdesk as a sysadmin, and it's enough to annoy me a lot.

>>105697812
Sysadmin roles only exist in india, pajeet

>>105697812
just out of curiosity, how did you get into sysadmin work?

>>105697502
Is this for an internship or a FT role?

For me, the only one I'm missing is actually not the Mandarin one, but Django.

I don't think these requirements are insane at all btw.

>>105698049
I have a bachelors degree in computer engineering and I've had an interest in sysadmin stuff for a long time and played around with Linux on my free time.

Turns out most of the time it's boring glorified jannying basically, at least where I work. I also don't really have any freedom with my work and I'm sick of the bureaucracy. I'm thinking about quitting, finishing my master's, and then rethinking what I want to do with my life.

I got an interview tomorrow, they seem like an OK company, they pay well, got good pension regulations and I get to take skin care products home! Wish me luck fellas

>>105698795
>skin care
is this some retail mcjob

must've took a LOT of resume screwing around

>>105698971
Nah, it's a web dev job at a skin care product manufacturer. They need someone to maintain their web app stuff I guess.

3 interviews and no job in the last year
my life is a complete failure

>need a job to pay the bills while looking
>as a man with social retardation, little muscle and no experience in other insdustries there aren't many options
>see something decent
>one of the only things they want is a "Commitment to long term employment"
I'm never getting an interview so they have nothing to worry about amiright?

>>105699009
Lmao, that should probably be a pretty big red flag. If they have a problem with high employee turnover, it probably means that the job sucks for one reason or another.

>>105699105
Looking at it charitably they probably have issues keeping people because it's a dead end job so they keep wasting training on people who leave to greener pastures. But I wouldn't be surprised.

>>105699177
>they probably have issues keeping people because it's a dead end job
If you don't mind that, then at least it'll be stable work.

>>105699205
Not him but that'a not usually how it works. When there are turnover issues it's typivally the company firing the first shot by getting rid of high performers and people jumping ship asap before it's their turn. They they replace the crew with a fresh batch and do it all over again.

>>105699219
>company firing the first shot by getting rid of high performers and people jumping ship asap before it's their turn
if that is the case you should be able to find employee reviews of the company online easily. not a bad idea to do that anyway i suppose

>>105699226
Yes and no, often these kinds of companies brigade review sites. But you will definitely find negative reviews rhat seem legitimate among hundreds of obvious fake reviews.

>>105699219
Why would they get rid of high performers?

>>105699255
they start asking for more cash is why

i was let go at my last job even though i was good at my job. the only note my boss had is that i should communicate more, so i put in the effort and my coworkers and boss were happy about it and he told me not to worry about getting a permanent contract. but then i said i wanted a higher salary and suddenly i'm not a good fit for the company in his eyes and was let go.

>>105685368
With cucks like you they sure won't improve the hiring process anytime soon

>>105698989
>web dev
enjoy being homeless

>>105699255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSEw_AVfJBY

As always: Capitalisms kowtowing to the almighty dollar kills employees.

>>105699177
I doubt it's the dead-end job (most folks wouldn't mind the stability as long as the PAY WAS GOOD).

It's that the Pay is godawful and/or the managers are a pain in the ass to deal with.

>>105699358
Capitalism is so counter intuitive at times.
>companies would rather spend tens of thousands of dollars looking for a unicorn than hiring candidates who meet all requirements immediately

>>105690387
>Yeah bro this is meritocracy you need to know bazillions of new tech longer than the guy who invented them on 5 rounds.
>The guys who got the job? H1Bs, nepotism and the guy who made Karen laugh at the interview

>>105699405
Just a couple of years ago, I got job offers all the fucking time. I didn't even always have all the skills, but that's fine, you'll pick it up! These days it feels like you have to be the perfect candidate and employers will settle for nothing less and then complain there's a shortage of skilled workers. There isn't, your standards are just too fucking high guys.

>>105686980
There are plenty of people who got good at software development in their 20's or even 30's. They're just very uncommon in the current tech market. To actually be decent you've gotta have an understanding of software engineering and comp sci basics. Most dumbasses finish hello-world.py, figure out how easy it is to send an API call (or get chatgpt to do it for them), then they assume that's "it" - that's what software development is. They then never grow, due to never actually understanding enough about the topic to grasp its scale & scope.

I didn't even graduate highschool, got into IT at 25 and eventually stumbled into actual software engineering. I've worked for a few SV unicorns. My field is mostly open source developer tooling - so I've contributed to projects that most serious devs will have leveraged, or at least read about, at some point.

Honestly I'm an outlier, but my point stands.

It's hard to self teach, but not impossible. Like I said, pretty rare to find people in this category, but they do exist.

>>105699498
To add to this:

When I was starting out, everyone wanted web devs. It wasn't that hard to find a new job back then, like around eight to five years ago. I got a lot of job offers in those days, anywhere from 4k to 6k a month. Last time I was jobless around a year ago, it took me three months of searching and I got lucky that someone I knew at my old job had a dad who needed a web dev.

I had a decent resume, good experience, a wide set of skills and sent out a lot of applications but barely any responses. I didn't just send them to anyone, just ones that seemed like a good match and still got ghosted and rejected all the time despite having the requested skills and experience for all those jobs I applied for. Out of somewhere between 20 to 30 applications, I got two digital interviews. One said I didn't come across enthusiastic enough and was nitpicking bullshit like how I held the interview from my living room and some other weird gripes, the other rejected me after the interview for not having enough experience. How do you not realize that before the interview, and how is seven years (at the time) not enough? Christ almighty.

>still constantly seeing posts from blue collar and unskilled workers in their 30s wanting to "transition into software engineering"
Learn2code truly was a psyop for the ages

>>105688389
Only shithole countries conscript military contractors into cannon fodder.

just wanted a job in life

>>105700566
All of NATO are shithole countries if I look at what these retards are advicing Ukraine to do. Again hard pass on anything related to military. Besides this marry band of retards has a rich history of breaking their employees in various ways. Some of these ways: maintenance crews and engineers interacting with toxic coating, burn pits giving people cancers, deployments with inadequate and broken equipment. It's the Dutch military so you'd expect things to not be complete shit but it is. I guess the pay is alright since they kept upping the pay because nobody wants to get into this shit. The ones that did want to get into this shit used to get rejected over trivial and minor stuff like how bones attached or the alignment of femurs. I guess right now they aren't as selective anymore.

The morons running this country think its a great idea to either increase budget deficit by 3-4%ish or increase tax revenue by 3-4%ish to meet the new NATO norm. Idk what they even want to accomplish with this, but security certainly isn't one of them. If that was their aim they would reduce the nigger and arab imports but instead they increase the imports despite gov claims that they want to reduce it.

>>105699255
Management has no idea who works well or not. Good performers are often driven which managers perceive as pushy. They may also ask for raises after great performance reviews. Additionally the mosern idea is that if you start having a single point of failure employee, he should be let go before his importance is too much to "avoid future trouble" like such a person "taking your codebase hostage and making demands on raises or promotions" or worse, leaving during crunch time.

>>105699410
I don't get what you're trying to say but yes, that is how hiring managers talk unironically

>>105699524
Lolnope and you are proof of it.

>>105699410
As a former hiring manager, the business made filling a permanent role like climbing a mountain of justifications...a process that took multiple months, multiple interview rounds that had to culminate in directors/vps and architects interviewing the candidate, pages of written justifications, everything filtered through a hiring advisory board filled with people from a completely unrelated part of the business). Whereas hiring a contractor was "pick anyone from this stack of shitty resumes that the consulting company with a permanent desk in the office just handed over the cubicle wall" followed by "why are you asking them so many questions of the contractors, just pick one so we can get them onboarded".

The last few years have been people who weren't around for the absolute train-wreck of early 2000s offshoring having to learn the same lesson all over again.

>>105700310
how are they gonna do that if you need 3 years experience for a starter position

THEYRE SELLING MY DATA I KEEP GETTING SPAMMED ALL DAY EVERY DAY I JUST WANT A JOB

>>105701194
exactly, anon
And then they call us "crabs in a bucket" for breaking the truth to them, backed with facts, statistics, and recent news.

>>105701251
i want to die desu

>>105700310
I'm an elec engineer currently back at uni for comp sci

I'm going to make it and you cant stop me

>>105701727
We don't want to stop you. The real world will.

>>105701727
>You can't stop me
I would never dream of it

>>105701744
Real world won't stop shit

>>105701757
you better make it too

why do canadian companies post fake jobs? h1b nonsense doesn't work the same way here, what motivation do small/medium businesses have to lie about job openings?

>>105701824
https://www.resumebuilder.com/3-in-10-companies-currently-have-fake-job-posting-listed/

tldr
making it look like they're growing
making employees feel expendable
get data on the job market

>>105700813
>t. john from amsterdam autonomous oblast
I hope you get droned.

>>105701913
>making it look like they're growing
are other companies really using "number of job postings out" as a metric of competition?
>making employees feel expendable
if employees didn't feel expendable, why would they be browsing job sites or paying attention to new interviewees?
>get data on the job market
what data does it even provide and how is it useful?

>>105701824
The Temporary Foreign Worker program and Labor Market Impact Assessments are basically the same thing. There's tons of ways for them to bring in people
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/hire-temporary-foreign.html

>>105702003
If you want the details, read the article. I'm not an employer or some HR roastie.

A friend of mine speculates that HR also encourages ghost jobs to look more busy than they really are, but I dunno. Sounds believable I guess.

It's not just temporary workers btw. In many ways we're worse off than the USA. There's multiple programs for bringing in permanent people, including trades (because obviously Canada can't train its own plumbers and electricians, that would be crazy)
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/hire-permanent-foreign.html

another day, 0 answers

>>105701727
if you have an electrical engineering degree couldn’t you just get a job as an embedded software engineer?

>>105702072
Another day

>>105702082
maybe idk , I didn't focus on embedded electives in school i did power/distribution

>>105702062
my understanding is that emigrating to canada is pretty easy if you have a good resume in the first place, and you can be sponsored by Literally Fucking Anybody sorta like getting a passport if you're already a citizen

also most of these obviously fake listings, if you apply, demand to know if you need sponsorship and the site auto-fails you if you say "yes" (or at least indeed that that feature, idk about others)

>>105702018
>HR also encourages ghost jobs to look more busy than they really are
i'm starting to think it's this but aren't external recruiters the norm (and very expensive) and does HR not have internal fires to start and stop?

no one is hiring EE master graduates lol

>>105702447
in what field within EE

>>105702226
Canada is one od the 5 toughest countries to immigrate to on the planet.
The only reliable pathways are marriage (even then they can deny it) and going to a degree mill school (luckily around covid nearly all the schools converted into becoming degree mills because they charge as much as us schools do to foreigners)

>>105702477
>Canada is one od the 5 toughest countries to immigrate to on the planet.
could have fuckin' fooled me

>>105702477
>Canada is one od the 5 toughest countries to immigrate to on the planet.
true story. tell that to the 1 million(!!!!) jeets that arrived last year alone

>>105701805
You are so profoundly deluded. I like it. You're definitely going for the backflip ending.

>>105701824
It does work the same.way. You must advertise for a while before you can consider non-canadians.

>>105702525
ok but even then we imported the ONE MILLION JEETS already so why not select from the local population of low-caste less-than-mongoloids and why do medium sized businesses need such a constant supply of these people that they leave/repost the same job listings up for months

>>105702513
They overwhelmingly come in through the degree mill scheme. This works in every country. Once they're in they use family reunification to get the whole family over. That also works in every country.
The only difference between doing it here vs in the US is that it's cheaper and the acceptance rate is much higher.
If you look at linkedin or other forums where shitskins congregate, you will see it.
I am particularly familiar with the matter because I was the victim of a visa scam.

>>105702515
I don't need a tech job my EE job is fine. I just am not an autist like 95% of you retards and know how to communicate and find opportunities. Not to mention I've managed direct reports, lead engineering teams, PMed, written proposals etc. which makes me more valuable than any jeet or new grad also looking for a Jr role fresh out of college.

It's not going to be very difficult

>>105702578
>backpedaling
>still 0 idea how the real world is
Ah to be young and have an IQ in the single digits!

>>105702599
>keeps being vague

I am aware tons of people are having trouble finding jobs

>>105702620
You aren't paying attention. Likely because you lack that capability.

Is anyone who did some Snowflake certifications ITT? I'm looking for free mock exams to prepare.

>>105703311
Suck a shotgun

>>105703320
y tho

Another day

>>105702477
>Canada is one od the 5 toughest countries to immigrate to on the planet.
Only if you're doing it through the proper channels. Spoiler alert: no one does it through the proper channels. If you claim asylum, they have to check your claim before they kick you out. Because of the overwhelming amount of claims, it takes a year (if not two) minimum to validate a claim. The current lunch-cutter method, though, is to study at some shady non-university for a fake degree. In theory, allow people who study here to stay was a great idea. People who study here would (presumably) be proficient enough in English to get a degree, and if they successfully completed a degree, it meant they were reasonably intelligent. But as the quality of university education fell, and the diploma mills popped up, and English fluency became irrelevant, so to did the standards of immigrants moving here. Then you factor in 10 years of Trudeau which prevented anyone from publicly talking about this growing issue (which the Cons were happy to profit from) and you get to the sad state of affairs in Canada.

But you can only ignore reality for so long. People are finally talking about it publicly because it's starting to effect them. There's more than enough video footage on the Internet of Jeets doing Jeet things to spoil their image.

>>105703870
also remember that "proper channel" doesn't require sponsorship iirc. if you're sponsored, you're fast-tracked, and almost anyone can sponsor you if they have some kind of professional relationship to you (such as, say, being your employer)

going to a degree mill is one way to do it without having to Know A Guy but the fact is employers can in fact just import jeets (which again begs the question of "why post listings publicly, leave them up for months and months, when you can just call someone an "internal hire"?)

>>105703870
i married a canadian and it was going to be difficult for me to legally become a permanent resident

>>105703925
thats cuz ur wh*te

>>105703870
absolutely. That's why I mentuoned the key alternatives and their commonality.

>>105703761

How many more days of nothing? At what point do you just accept bagging fries for the rest of your life

>>105695466
People need to stop suggesting help desk, they are entirely separate industries. Help desk customer service recruiters don't want CS students because they know exactly what you're doing and that you intend on quitting. CS recruiters don't want help desk employees because answering the phone 8 hours per day is not a relevant skill.

There is the 0.10% chance that you get to transfer within whatever corporation you're in I guess, but good luck.

>>105704643
jeet, are you aware that there are non-coooooder positions in "tech" that aren't just helping boomers get their tv boxes to work?

>considering just sending one big fuckhuge rat letter to HR about all the shit my coworkers are pulling
I'm already looking for another job, would it really be the worst thing to do?

>>105703925
Hilariously, you might have an easier time moving here if you study for some bogus degree.

>>105702477
>Canada is one od the 5 toughest countries to immigrate to on the planet.
Lmao

if I don't pass my job interview tomorrow i honestly don't know what I'm going to do, I've already burned through half of my savings

i spent all of today "mentally shadow boxing", i.e thinking about all the questions I could possibly be asked and planning responses, as meticulously grooming myself, pre-ironing my clothes, planning my diet on the day, solving a few leetcodes, reviewing old projects I've worked on, asking chatgpt to generate questions from my CV (most were kinda silly, but a few revealed some gaps in memory), recording myself answering questions, stalking the interviewers on social media, watching interviews with the CEO etc etc. Kinda feels like I wasted the entire day aside from the practice but hopefully it works out regardless

>>105705520
Good luck. Get yourself the fuck out of here.

i have a telecon interview tomorrow and i havent even cleaned my desk of all the beer cans and spilled vape oil yet

>75k year before taxes
>52k after
wait a second...........

>>105705589
Sounds European (shit). If you don't get a cushy do-nothing job all day in Europe you're doing it wrong. Exploit labor protections as much as possible because that's the reason the wages are shit to begin with.

>>105701996
drone tech is too advanced for trash arabs. Really the biggest threat you can experience here is some nigger, arab or deranged 60yo boomer starting shit.

>>105705880
I live in Florida..