Give me one good reason why I shouldn't buy a Framework laptop besides "jeet ceo".
>>105684454 (OP)Overpriced old hardware.
It's obscenely expensive.
No guarantee they'll be around in 5 years when you try to buy upgrade parts, that's the whole point of buying into a framework system.
>>105684454 (OP)Jeet everything. And you should not trust them. India is a Russia’s vassal state.
>>105684454 (OP)Price. That's the root cause of everything wrong with this device.
The build quality of their devices is maybe on par with devices half its price. That's bad. If I want a decently sized device, so the 16" one, i pay literally twice the price for the same specs a chinese model sports while alao having worse build quality.
And then people often start to argue that you can replace parts and therefore keep it longer. But have you seen the prices to replace a motherboard? Because that's pretty much the only part that might after 5+ years need replacement that other devices can't upgrade. Battery can be replaced on other devices no problem. The cost of a motherboard upgrade is about as much as an entire new laptop. The shitty argument that this is more economical is just bs.
If a frame work laptop 16 with a 13th or 14th gen intel or even better a ryzen ai part (someone should be shot for this marketing name btw) would cost a fair thousand bucks and a new motherboard with those specs half that it would be an attractive product with mass market appeal, but now just an apple alternative for faggots that dislike apple and don't realize that they too buy overpriced shit because of emotional reasons based on marketing and brand perception.
If money isn't an issue, there are far better devices above 2k that offer some of the best experiences on a laptop that one can have. Good build quality, great specs, decent design, abundance of features etc.
No need to buy this waste of money.
>>105684454 (OP)Is this an admission that “jeet ceo” is a good reason?
The repairability and modularity don't really factor in when you consider they're twice the price of something equivalent. Also their modules are expensive as fuck, especially processor. It's 1k for a 7040HS which is two years old at this point and you can get an entire laptop with a better processor for around that price.
The only market for this are the save the planet hippies that don't want to create e-waste, but so far you're paying a HUGE premium for the modularity at every step, from buying the whole system to upgrading.
>>105684622>you can get an entire laptop with a better processor for around that priceright so why aren't you doing that?
because you're lying
>>105684454 (OP)>why I shouldn't buy a Framework laptop besides "jeet ceo".Alpha hardware. Plus:
>16 supports touchscreen>Makes a goddamn 12" overpriced touch-screen hybrid for students (that won't buy it because it's overpriced) while giving no touch-screen to 16" laptop ownersFuck Patel.
>>105684510Ukelele lost, BTW.
>>105684678Just swap a touch panel into your 16 if you need it that bad.
Framework is all about tinkering.
Maybe get a Macbook you fag.
>>105684454 (OP)price
Nirav Patel was one of the designer for Oculus VR so he's one of the good one.
i genuinely can't tell if these framework threads are forced so hard to somehow shill for them...
there's just no way anyone that needs a laptop needs a framework laptop
anyone who bought one just fell for influencer marketing
>>105684769BUT LINUX SAID IT WAS GOOD
>>105684761Of course it’s an ad. But if part of your marketing strategy is to shitpost on 4chan, I just assume your product is equally retarded.
why are these poorfags pretending that they don't get the point of the framework laptop?
like my fucking thinkpad t14 gen 5 has a fucking lcd whitelist so i can't even upgrade it to the 1440p 120hz dci-p3 panel that i bought for it
framework doesn't lockdown their shit like all the other laptop manufacturers
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>>105684454 (OP)It's pricey but when you look at comparable (NEW, NOT LAST GEN) laptops they're actually kindof decent
iirc the HX370 vs Thinkpads or a macbook isn't even a contest
But maybe it's a EU thing.
Also the webcam and mic are pretty shit, and the 2.8k display has rounded corners on a hardware level.
Other than that they're pretty neat. Fags ITT are Apple shills.
>t. Fw 13 ryzen 9 hx370 owner
There was previously no reason to buy it, but when they added the high refresh rate 3:2 screen with 100% sRGB, that alone was enough to set this laptop apart from pretty much everything else.
Linux compatibility and modularity were the icing on the cake.
>>105684454 (OP)Saw this same exact thread being posted more than once already. Why do you keep spamming this shit???
>>105685393because it get replies
anything else on this board is slow
>>105684454 (OP)the "modules" are severely retarded
The only thing that annoys me about them is that they don't have System76 level of firmware and FOSS bits, but we can lean on them to change that as they've already moved from
>passive Linux friendly, you do what you want
>active Linux and FOSS supporting, even for stuff like the extra macro pad and the LED bumper thing
So they're moving the right direction. They've made some overall decisions I don't c are for as much
>Desktop shit that's solders and made for fighting Apple faggotry, but it is cheaper and equal/better so okay fine for that alone
I'd rather have a desktop that is the return of the fuck you CaseLabs style cases if they're going to make them modular. Then again, even System76, as much as I love their case's documentation, the layout and features suck for the price unless you're going to EXACTLY build as they do their prebuilts Thelios - ie one particular air cooler (no AIO or liquid, no multiple fans/rad area not even up to 3x 120), no room for 3.5" HDDs a all, etc.. on the fucking EATX monstrosity.
>Framework 16 needs to be updated
It needs a new GPU, modern AMD 9000 CPUs etc. This would be the perfect time for them to get a a 9070XT module or some shit in there, because the 7700 8GB was anemic for a 16". Otherwise, the 16 is pretty great but its behind the times vs the 13
>Don't really care about the new 12" not sure why they made a budget 2-in-1
They already have the 13, why not just offer a new hinge and touchscreen for it or something? I'm guessing its cheaper shit for students and the like but...meh.
Overall I still think Framework is one of the only decent laptop manufacturers out there who wants thins to be less enshittified. They've moving along.
>>105684476It's not overpriced if you factor in repairability and upgradability (and you buy the DIY versions without Windows licenses, RAM, SSDs).
>>105684496>No guarantee they'll be around in 5 years They proved you wrong by being around for almost 5 years now.
>>105685495>It needs a new GPU, modern AMD 9000 CPUs etc.No current mobile "AMD 9000 CPUs" is suitable for the 16".
There's none. It's impressive how they basically BTFO every single stinkpad chinovo enthusiast, and they did it seemingly without even trying.
>>105685568I should have said Zen5, but they can easily grab one at least equal to if not above those in the 13. Why not a
>Strix Halo Ryzen AI MAX+ 395 >Fire Range Ryzen 9955HX3D These are two of the most powerful mobile CPUs of which I am aware and I'd think at very least the top one should fit in a 16".
>>105684454 (OP)overpriced. Even the repaired hardware makes it non-viable to fix.
If you want an ultra-repairable laptop, get a cheap Lenovo. In 5 years, when something goes bad (it will), you just open AliExpress and buy what you need.
My last Lenovo died after 10 years and had a new keyboard, a different screen flat cable, 4 chargers (to be fair, 2 were left at the house of my ex, and she threw them away), an SSD, max memory and a new battery.
All of this was incredibly cheap because that model was so fucking common.
BTW, I don't recommend a Lenovo laptop that limits your max memory to 16GB in 2025. This is a joke.
>>105685759>Fastest mobile CPU on the market>Both ASUS and HP puts it on their high end laptop and charges $4000>Framework puts it on their desktop which ruins its point of being a mobile CPUNah
>>105685798I think they just got Silicon Valley autism for
>PEOPLE ARE BUYING MACMINI FOR AI WE NEED A SOLUTIONThat's why they not only put it on a desktop, but focused on it being capable to be clustered and soldered in the RAM for maximum bandwidth/performance vs socketing it. Its stupid I think, but its extremely purpose built - the question is if anyone except a handful of AI focused tards will buy it because those with big AI money will buy AMD/NV GPUs that cost 5 figures each, and those with casual interest will more likely make do with more typical hardware usage I'd think. The amount of AI fags who are also Macfags seems to be a super niche.
Lets hope they get their shit together and update the 16 with the latest mobile CPUs
>>105685714>they did it seemingly without even trying.It wasn't exactly difficult. There is a reason chinkpad fags all use ancient laptops, and it's not poverty.
>>105685834fixed in the new iteration
Daily reminder that framefags will constantly move goalposts until the only viable laptop is a framework and nothing else compares.
>noo its not overpriced because laptops with x niche feature are the same price!
>no other laptop lets me have usb-c charging on both sides so framework automatically wins!
>oh but that one doesn't do DATA on both sides, framework still wins!
>see I can reuse my outdated shit hardware and make a home server! No your thinkpad server doesn't count that's still a laptop.
>my tiny ass battery keeps running out but they let me pay $80 for a slightly larger one! haha this is the way right fellow anons?
I will continue posting about how shit framework is until the shilling stops.
>>105686115what laptop do you use?
>>105685553It's still massively overpriced because there's no actual guarantee that they will be upgradable in the future, repairability might be a factor but you're still likely only getting parts from Framework which are going to be very expensive.
If you end up fully "repairing" and "upgrading" one of their laptops you'll likely have paid the cost of 3-4 laptops anyway
>>105687077Framejeets are not humans.
seems to me that a concept like Framework could only work with more standardized offerings from _other_ manufacturers, especially real gpu/cpu/screen modularity
can these be turned into tablet mode or is the hinge insufficient?
>>105684622>twice the price of something equivalenhuh? I don't know with Temu laptop youre referring too but if you want something like a Thinkpad it costs more than the Framework DIY version with the same specs
>>105687241>2021>ARM>MacOSput it in the bin
>>105684454 (OP)jeet ceo and retardedly overpriced
>>105684685>buy a laptop >then buy parts to make it work like you want toTruly an apple mentality. And you call macfags fags?
>>105684985How about buying a laptop with a good screen out of the box for once?
>>105687241OP, I've had my M1 macbook air since early 2021, so over 4 years now. I use it daily for work and I still don't need a reason to upgrade, besides that I have a (sick) itch to go back to windows/linux.
I can see myself use this laptop for another 2, 3 years or even longer. And I won't have to go through the hassle to get new components etc. (Perhaps a new battery down the line, but Daddy Apple will put it in for me). And relatively speaking, I already have spend less on a better performing and noiseless computer.
Maybe I'm being tricked and he's a total phony, but the impression I get from the CEO makes me feel a lot more comfortable about the product line and its longevity. It really seems like he's building these things because he wants them to exist himself. Never trying to hype things up, just being matter of fact. It's refreshing to see, if not frustrating - because this should be the standard. People making products that they and the market thing are worth making and using.
Any issues I have with these center around costs and that's not really their fault for not being big enough to have all the partnerships and deals in place right now.
>>105688278That's fine and dandy, but any time now your ssd might die and brick your whole computer that costed more than 1k. I like using macs, i worked on mine for almost 3 years, but i wouldn't dare to buy it as a private device because I've been bamboozled by applel before.
>>105684454 (OP)Jeet CEO.
If you’ve ever been around these “people”, and I had the displeasure of being around them while working in China (so not even their own poop country), you’ll realise they are wretched subhumans.
Also the framework products are pretty expensive for the hardware proposed.
>>105688411I got the 16gigs so the supposed swap issue is less of a problem :^)
If they were good products that the average /g/ user was actually interested in and enjoyed, they wouldn’t be advertised here. We’d just be buying them, and probably would have a general thread mention of them at least.
But they’re being shilled because /g/ as a whole generally doesn’t like them because we see through the bullshit.
It's a gimmick that doesn't actually improve your life much. Like how is replacing an hdmi module with a vga module any better than a vga to hdmi adapter?
If they offered modules and customizations that don't exist in current laptops then it might stand out but right now I'd rather just get a laptop that's perfect for my usecase.
>>105684454 (OP)>Give me one good reason why I shouldn't buy a Framework laptop besides "jeet ceo".Thinkpads existing. Especially if you care about security. Frameworks ability to do BIOS Updates is non-existant.
>>105684454 (OP)>besides "jeet ceo"That should be enough to avoid it. The fact that it isn't for you means that there's something seriously wrong with you.
>>105684496You can swap in standard parts just fine. As far as I know, they don't have Framework-proprietry parts. Any unique parts they make, they have released the design file so that you can 3D print them.
>>105684678>Ukelele lost, BTW.Year 4 of special operation btw
>>105688934Yeah, man, let me 3d print this PCB that handles HDMI out real quick.
>>105687077>It's still massively overpriced because there's no actual guarantee that they will be upgradable in the future,Framework has been proving you wrong for 5 years now, with new upgrades every year for their 13" lineup.
>>105685553How much is extra %. Ideally id like it to be around 5%. Tho, since nobodys doing it, 7% in this case
>>105688305I agree. Though more than his public personality (which as you mention could be a show - I don't necessarily think it is but we all know salesmen tend to fall into either approachable everyman or lofty visionary personas to shill their shit effectively enough to generate a reality distortion field like Jobs used to do etc) what his company seems to be doing and what he seems to be building is more credible. He does seem to want to push back against enshittification and he's kept that going now for awhile - someone who had an early Framework 13 for instance could have not just bought new mainboards (and had places to run the old ones as stand alone PCs - the partnership with the coolermaster slim case was nice) but displays and a fuckload of other components as upgrades.
Price wise they're not unreasonable for "premium metal chassis, thin and reasonably powerful" kinda stuff ; this is noteworthy they decided to go this way instead of just starting with Clevo whiteboxes and making some adjustments as there's more than enough of that sort of thing out there. They're a smaller company designing for things that major ones don't give a shit about like everything being easily upgraded and modular, so you're never going to be bargain basement starting from that. They've managed to make something that is both for Linux using, right-to-repair-upgrading, customizing /g/entoomen and normalfags who want the Applel Macbook (or alternate ultrabook style + gaming performance if they get around to updating the 16) aesthetic without all the lock in and other shit related, so it expands their market and will likely make things more affordable as they scale up (the 12" model is a cheaper alternative etc)
>>105691153So fucking based.
>>105691153Yeah, I really don't get all the forced hate around here.
>>105689242Yes, just send the PCB schematics to one of the big PCB companies they'll print and assemble it for you
>>105684454 (OP)that should be more then enough.
anyway if you resell your old pc you recycle it 100%
>>105688551The average /g/ user is a fucking macfag tranny.
Louis Rossman uses a Framework, that should tell you enough.
>>105691517Not if your old PC is junk or no longer works.
>>105688267>How about buying a laptop with a good screen out of the box for once?Doesn't exist.
It's all OLEDs now with PWM, text fringing, low brightness, and shitass battery life.
>>105691546just don't wait that long
also this thing will be junk in 10y
it solves nothing
>>105688305Yeah, I quite like the CEO's personality.
>>105684454 (OP)only a tiny subset of laptop are for trannies and women, most laptop are already repairable for less money
>>105691532>Louis Rossman uses a Framework, that should tell you enough.This.
>>105691578It doesn't solve if that thang became junk in 1 year after a capacitor goes bang and there's no way for you to source a new motherboard with a good price
>>105691628>most laptop are already repairable for less moneyThis is so wrong. Most laptops come with soldered RAM nowadays.
Was going to get their 16 inch only to realize they don't offer it in intel. Big oof. Bought a lenovo legion 9i instead.
>>105684510Vassal means there is control. We don't even buy all weapons and missiles from them. Japan and Germany are vassals to the US.
>>105691720>Was going to get their 16 inch only to realize they don't offer it in intel.AHAHAHAHAHAAHA what a retard
>>105691702did you look up parts for this thing because they aren't cheap either
>>105691742Prices are actually quiet reasonable for OEM parts. 50 or 60 bucks for a new OEM battery? That's quiet reasonable.
>>105684454 (OP)I don't get why you'd buy one of these or why their hipster-friendly corpo shlock "module" program even flies with technical people when the idea should only be to make laptops that aren't built with a million ribbon cables and proprietary screws and soldered memory with integrity checks, that can be reasonably repaired by anyone with a screwdriver and have parts common enough in the market you can just buy them off not only this pajeet fuck scammer's site but pretty much any Shenzhen thrift shop.
The Frameworks are like the Playdate: an overengineered, puzzling and impossibly Jewish "solution" to a real problem they set out to fix but only made worse for everyone involved in the process, all to an exorbitant fee.
I guess it's foolish to expect integrity from a jeet.
>>105691843You didn't provide a solution, what you were proposing is a fantasy.
>>105688551>>105691200>>105691436I think a lot of it is just contrarian bullshit since the tourist influx.
>Hurrdurr jeet>Hurrdurr le plebbit etc. There may be a certain percentage of of autists focused on a Thinkpad from decade(s) ago as good enough and while that's all well and good for light desktop usage or a fun little project, sperging about everything else being overpriced is not. However I think a lot of it is just contrarianism - not unlike how on /v/ (and to a degree /g/ ) there's a certain percentage of people who hate the Steam Deck even though if you told oldfags Steam would be selling a FOSS Arch-based SteamOS UMPC, Wine+DXVK etc that would be part of Proton sufficient to make most games 'just work" even for normalfags, Gamescope compositor for Big Picture UI + Desktop mode, no lockdown and full capability to load emulators/games or just plain applications from elsewhere including repos, and many games having a "verified works on Linux" badge because of it , it would be considered a fever dream that would be unlikely to ever come true.
So goes it with Framework, where oldfags were upset about the proprietary nature of laptops, the lack of "premium" options, poorly supported shit in one way or another (Back when one of the first VAIO ultrabooks had a custom SSD that didn't support TRIM and cost a fortune, how any 'gaming' notebook depended on Windows only utilities, soldered RAM etc) and how nobody bothered with repairable or upgradable laptops, where MXM failed etc. If someone would have told them that there would be a thing that had a form factor and chassis style similar to a Macbook Pro, was modular from top to bottom, repairable, and upgrade capable - with actual compatibility AND availability of component, Linux friendly, had up to date hardware, and open sourced embedded controller, they'd cheer. Framework isn't perfect (waiting for OpenSIL) but they're doing shit that would have been unthinkable awhile ago.
>>105691895Flood the market with standardized and low-cost parts designed from scratch. With Framework's capital that's definitely doable, though it sure as hell ain't anywhere near as profitable lol
>>105691720>>105691736Is there a reason you'd want Intel on the 16" of all setups? I mean, there are reasons to be frustrated with the 16" currently as it needs an upgrade - I'd like to see it with the 9950HX3D or at least AI 395 Zen5 based CPUs + a discrete 9070XT GPU, but Intel? Their offerings have been lackluster in the CPU space recently and though I'd be interested in a Battlemage or newer discrete GPU for mobile, but not sure if they're offering something comparable instead of integrated tier. I wouldn't object to an Intel option necessarily, but I think they'd better focused on revising the 16" platform with AMD first of all
>>105691724You think it’s coincidence unqualified pajeets are suddenly put in important US governmental and company positions? Pajeets are Russian spies. Why are people so blind?
>>105692109You think jeets are that competent? Lol. Count the number of Jews, they'd sell you out before jeets.
>>105691784now look up that motherboard
id rather not buy a new laptop that has feces on it
>>105691995Intel just works. The technology is just better. AMD always has issues with drivers and peripherals like audio and video hardware. I always go for the Intel even if it costs a little more money. If I didn't use any peripherals and just used a computer for browsing the web, AMD is fine I guess.
>>105691938So you agree with me that it's a fantasy as it would turn out to not be profitable
>>105691720Nice bait lmao
>>105691948You know what's more expensive? Paying a premium to get your iToddler Macbook's screen replaced.
>>105692461>Intel just worksWhat about the 13th Gen then?
>>105691995>I'd like to see it with the 9950HX3D or at least AI 395 Zen5 based CPUsNot possible, none of those CPUs have enough PCIe lanes for it.
>a discrete 9070XT GPUSomething that doesn't exist (yet) and no mobile manufacturer has released.
>>105692461>Intel just worksYou mean Intel just fries? Do you want us to remind you of 13th gen stability issues?
>>105692437They're pricey if you buy the latest gen, but quiet affordable with the discount once new generations are out.
>>105692550actually no, for the price of that piece of shit you could buy 2 separate macbook airs
>>105692568I actually already own the 13" in intel, but I work with video and audio production and have been using a mobile setup more and more. I initially had the amd in 13" but sold it and got the intel that I now use as a personal laptop.
>>105684651You can literally get a tuxedo laptop right now which is easily just as repairable, except for the "hurr upgradability" meme, for almost 600 to 700 EUR less.
A framework with a Ryzen 370, 32gb RAM, 1tb SSD is like 2.2k EUR, a tuxedo infinity book with the same config is like 1450 with taxes.
>>105684454 (OP)>Give me one good reason why I shouldn't buy a Framework laptop overheating. maccock is cheaper
>>105693117Why tf are you quoting entire posts and then stating your response
>>105692637What are you talking about? The DIY model costs the same as an entry level iToddler Air.
>>105691938>standardized and who exactly will use them? Many of the big corps go out of their way to make their own proprietary shit, or design things in a way that makes it cheaper for them and more difficult for anyone else to replace components. Even between vaguely compatible types of laptops from differing manufacturers like Dell/Alienware, HP, Lenovo, Asus etc.. you can't just find some gaming laptop with vaguely similar specs and decide you want to make some sort of universal OLED display upgrade that can just "drop in" that everyone can use in every 15" etc. Even supposedly standardized components like RAM be be soldered vs slotted, WiFi/BT ca This is part of the issue and why they needed to more or less make their own laptop from scratch as even whitebox setups take a lot of stuff that's "stuck" which is why even System76 - who can do some degree of software/firmware work, is slowly moving from whitebox'd models to doing what Framework does with custom designs. Framework has created a good amount of custom parts by now, but you rarely see other projects much less major laptop brands saying they're going to ensure that their hardware is compatible with what exists; it would be even harder if Framework didnt have their own repairable stuff themselves to sell and just really hoped everyone else would buy it
>low costs / Framework's capitalFramework is a small player compared to Dell/Lenovo/Asus etc.. or even major ODM like Clevo and Quanta . They're working at a smaller scale and uphill against those that either have a vested interest in their own design (ie Dell computes it can save even a few $ per laptop by having proprietary, soldered, naked leads instead of wires and plugs terminated nicely with a connector) or have massive capital like an ODM who, if there was an "easy" market for interoperable, FOSS hardware widespread, they'd do it.
>>105693005>You can literally get a tuxedo laptop right now which is easily just as repairableIt's not (they don't offer screen replacements as an example), and it's much more expensive. They're selling a 49Wh battery for 100 euros when Framework sells their 55Wh battery for just 55 euros (in Germany).
>>105693117>maccock is cheaperIt's not when you have a damaged screen that you need 800$ bucks for to repair (and that won't actually work correctly due to Apple enforcing a unique part ID lockdown system).
>>105692570>Not possible, none of those CPUs have enough PCIe lanes for it.Huh? I'm pretty sure the 395 has the same amount as the existing 370 if not more. According to the specs the 9950X3D has more potential lanes 28 vs the 16 of previous. I think these are just CPU lanes, not counting anything on the chipsets et
>Something that doesn't exist (yet) and no mobile manufacturer has released.They worked with AMD to get the 7700S module for the launch of the 16, and again for the Desktop's use of the 395. It would behoove AMD to release mobile versions of RDNA4 and this would be a good place to start especially given that the Framework version is a module that can add cooling or dimensions as opposed to just being sandwiched into a giant
>>105684454 (OP)Well, my T60 is very sturdy, build like a tank, has great keyboard and cool mechanical dock. I can't say the same about framework. I don't think I will replace it anytime soon, as I have already managed to replace the dying mobo once. It runs all the software that I need, so there is no reason to change it. For running nuslopware, I already have a modern computer, but I hardly ever use it.
>>105693450>Huh? I'm pretty sure the 395 has the same amount as the existing 370 if not more.The 395 only has 16 lanes, and the 370 isn't offered in the Framework 16 anyway (since it's also only 16 lanes). They need 20 lanes for the FW16.
>According to the specs the 9950X3D has more potential lanes 28 vs the 16 of previous.The 9950X3D is not the laptop chip. The laptop chip is the 9955HX3D, and you're correct that it does have enough lanes. The problem however is these 9955HX3D chips are actually just repurposed desktop chips for mobile, and we know that the desktop chips only have 2CU for the integrated graphics. Would they consider offering a motherboard in which integrated graphics are absolute trash requiring that every user of the motherboard must have it paired with the graphics module?
>>105693491You're already adhering to Framework's mission if you're still using an old laptop that fulfills your needs.
>>105693675>395 16 lanesWhat about chipset lanes? I'm not sure how many they'd offer on mobile but looking at desktop equivalencies I have to believe it would at least get them to 20 or more? Though i'm wondering why these are so limited in lanes in the first place - seems inadvisable or something new like this.
>9950HX3DRight, I forgot the H unlike the one above. However, I can't see the issue of having crappier integrated as a major problem? I mean, there IS integrated, it will function without a discrete, but if you're picking up a 16" variant especially with the 9950HX3D you're probably going to want some powerful GPU options. This reminds me though, they'd be smart to ensure USB4 (40gbps or better) compatibility too.
>>105693350https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Hwb5xvBn8
>>105689242>/g/ - absolutely retarded NIGGERS
>>105693260yeah for a shitass obsolete ryzen 5 from 3 years ago and it doesnt inclue ram (another $100) and storage (another $100)
then it has shitty speakers + power adapter $50 minimum + I/O <$50
then you have a laptop with dogshit battery which is the only thing that matters on a laptop and bad speakers
>>105693302They tell you the screen model so you can buy it yourself, the fuck you mean?
>>105684454 (OP)why can't anybody make a laptop with swapable processor and pci slot?
chineses have already covered the swapable laptop processors problem, and a PCI port can perfectly work with extendable cables
>>105697202bitch stfu i'm trying to go to bed
>>105697209dont forget to say gnight to your cute waifu
>>105696766and it still somehow manages to be more expensive than a thinkpad with a much better CPU
And /tpg/ already scorns the idea for buying a brand new thinkpad for the price.
>>105696766and it still somehow manages to be more expensive than a thinkpad with a much better CPU AND an OLED screen
And /tpg/ already scorns the idea for buying a brand new thinkpad for the price.
FRAMEWORK? MORE LIKE #
LAMEWORK
>>105697538damn that's a pretty good price for an oled and TOTL cpu
>>105697538>buying the ram and SSD from Framework directlyYou are retarded.
>>105691843>when the idea should only be to make laptops that aren't built with a million ribbon cables and proprietary screws and soldered memory with integrity check...That's... literally, the Framework.
You only need:
- Torx 5
- Spudger
That's it. You slot the modules where they say they go and that's it beyond maybe FIVE (5) cables. Not thousands, in comparison to a "traditional" laptop that wants TEN (10) PLUS (+) cables in the chassis.
>>105684454 (OP)jeet ceo, overpriced, dumb idea, for troons, etc
>>105699392>buy refurbished with equivalent CPU, ssd and ram from amazon and newegg, no windows preinstalled>$1376close, but no OLED screen and no preinstalled windows
desu I don't understand why this company gets so much pushback from /g/.
There's finally an option for a repairable, upgradeable, user friendly laptop, and the autist that have been clamoring for this for years nitpick every minor issue with it. I bought a FW13 almost a year ago because I want the company to succeed and I'd rather pay a little more for a product that respects me as a consumer than save $200 and give my money to sell or HP or something.
Anyway, if anyone has questions feel free to ask me. I got the FW13 with the 7640U and the 2.8k screen.
>>105696766>yeah for a shitass obsolete ryzen 5 from 3 years agoThe 7640U is only 2 years old and it's still a quiet performant CPU, nowhere close to being obsolete (since the jump to Zen 5 from Zen 4 isn't that big anyway).
The DIY model for that costs 750$. If I include 2x USB-c, 1x USB-A, 1x HDMI expansion cards then it goes up to 804$. I can find 32GB kits of SO-DIMM DDR4 memory for 60 bucks in Amazon, so the total goes to 864$, and just to be fancy let's pick one of the more expensive SSDs at 100$. This adds up to 964$. In comparison an M4 Macbook Air with 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAM costs $1,799.
>a laptop with dogshit batteryThat's the Macbook Air after a few years with its unreplaceable battery.
>bad speakersWho uses their laptop speakers anyway? It's far from the most important component of a laptop.
>>105700093How loud is the keyboard?
Is the space bar and modifier keys notably louder than the alpha keys?
Are key press sounds consistent, does pressing a different point on the key produce a different/louder sound?
I ask because I got a T14 Gen 5 with a LiteOn keyboard, and it has all those issues.
For me, the best/quietest laptop keyboard I used was the T14 Gen 3/4 with the Chicony keyboard.
>>105694028>What about chipset lanes?What do you mean by that? You can see the number of the "Native PCIe® Lanes (Total/Usable)" here under Connectivity: https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/laptop/ryzen/ai-300-series/amd-ryzen-ai-max-plus-395.html
>However, I can't see the issue of having crappier integrated as a major problem?I would be pissed off if I had to buy the GPU module because integrated graphics were extremely weak.
>>105697029Framework already has screens and other parts on their store, and you can buy them directly from them.
>>105699944>no preinstalled windowsAre you that dumb to not know how to download an ISO from Microsoft and activate it for eternity with massgrave.dev?
>no OLEDOLEDs in laptops are an abomination. They usually have PWM, they eventually burn, I could go on and on. A good IPS display without PWM is still preferable to an OLED.
>>105699944>>105697538Framework is a small hardware company, they're nowhere near the scale needed to be able to compete with Lenovo on price. So these comparisons are kinda retarded since they start from a false premise.
>>105700858Framework monitor is infamous for having DOGSHIT response time. Everything smears in motion.
OLED is a decent compromise to avoid that even bigger abomination.
>>105687077>you're still likely only getting parts from Framework which are going to be very expensive.The CPU from my 15 year old Dell is still more than sufficient for dev work. What's insufficient is its RAM capacity. My framework uses 1x48GB stick and I'm sure it's going to be fine for the next 15 years. When it becomes insufficient, I'll just buy another and it'll probably be fine for as long as the rest of the components hold up... and I can replace those when THEY break, including the battery. Framework is based, you're just racist.
>>105684454 (OP)poor availability, they literally dont sell to my country
it seems overpriced for the hardware in it
>>105700174>The 7640U is only 2 years old and it's still a quiet performant CPUapples to fucking bowling balls 7640 is like 50% slower than m4, if you want 2 gens old laptop macbook m2 is like $600-$700
>M4 Macbook Air with 1TB SSD and 32GB of RAMnice cherry pick with insanely overpriced apple tax ram and storage when nobody buys an anemic excel laptop with more than 16gb
i priced 16gb ddr5 of the current gen model
>That's the Macbook Air after a few years with its unreplaceable battery.yeah i wont use the fucking laptop after 15 years which is about how long it would take for the macbook to reach the dogshit 60Wh battery performance of your toy youtuber laptop
i get 6 hours of battery use on my thinkpad x220, macbook gets 15-20 + 10x better standby
>Who uses their laptop speakers anyway? It's far from the most important component of a laptop.yeah who the fuck uses the battery or screen anyway or cpu on a laptop i fucking love thin creaky plastic or even the fucking IO since it's comparable to a fucking macbook with 2 USBs wow holy fuck i still need dongles thank you dumb cunts
not to mention shitty fucking DAC if you like using headphonesn so much
ALSO i've just checked and it's literally made of cancer inducing BPA microplastic shit that's somehow not banned in the US so they cant even sell that shit in europe LMAO
ALSO nice fucking open product muh repairability with locked down shitass fucking proprietary bios, says a lot about the dogass company
>>105700921The response times in the base Framework 13 screen is slightly better than what you get on the ThinkPads based off notebookcheck's tests.
Most non-OLED laptop panels have shit response times.
>/g/ bitches for years that laptops are no longer easily repairable and everything is soldered down
>Framework makes the most easily repairable laptop on the planet
>"NO IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE, I'LL STICK TO MY UNREPAIRABLE MACBOOK!"
Absolute retards.
>>105692109god, you boomers are fucking retarded
you think the system that keep blabbering about "muh russian" is going to just let a bunch of Russian agents into everything?
the kikes are shoving niggers and poojeets into everything because they are easier to control and far more mostly flexible than a white man, that's it
and yet, instead of fishing out the jews, you just keep going on about "muh russian" like a good little goyim, you fucking retard
>>105684454 (OP)>jeet CEOlmao if even their CEOs are subsidized imagine the end product
>>105701755no, kumar i will not buy your product
>>105684454 (OP)They are actually expensive for what they are. Let's say you're okay with that because you believe in their repairability thing. You're going to encounter disappointment at the quality of the parts used. The speakers are actual ass. The "good" screen option doesn't even fit the lid (and they were proud of this). Battery life is god awful. I will still keep an eye on them in case they actual provide some value but for now it's not looking great.
>>105701755Anon, if I am going to pay macbook prices I am just going to buy a macbook.
>>105700921Yes, OLEDs have better response times, but the IPS panels aren't that bad in terms of response time.
>>105688429qrd on jeets in chinkland, do they get fafo'd?
bonus trivia: most of all jeets in china are in Hong Kong.
>>105701344>apples to fucking bowling balls 7640 is like 50% slower than m4, With synthetic benchmarks that favor Apple like Geekbench. In the real world you need x86 processors to run most apps and games natively.
>if you want 2 gens old laptop macbook m2 is like $600-$700Not if you want 1TB SSD + 32GB of RAM.
>yeah i wont use the fucking laptop after 15 yearsBattery degradation takes less than that and you know it. I've seen puffed up batteries from Macs in just 2-3 years.
>so they cant even sell that shit in europe LMAO They're selling in all of the EU, are you retarded?
>>105701808>They are actually expensive for what they are.How expensive are they really for a small startup that has nowhere the scale of an HP or Dell?
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>>105700482>Chipset lanes What I mean is that the motherboard chipset usually has a handful of lanes separate from the CPU. Maybe this isn't the case with these Strix Point / Strix Halo options, but when I bought a X670E (or now the X870E, or B850 etc) there are usually certain PCI-E lanes that are predicated on the mobo itself. For instance if you look under SSD storage sometimes it shows a delineation between those M.2 slots that are handled by CPU lanes and those using the chipset lanes; I had to properly account for this when building the aforementioned system so that there wouldn't be any overlap taking bandwidth/lanes from others, like having my PCI-E x16 slot used for GPU drop down to x8 or even X4 if I just piled SSDs into the first/fastest lanes instead of putting one 5.0 drive into one M.2 (coming from CPU) and the dropped the other 4.0 drives into other M.2 (that used chipset lanes). Pic related for some of the breakdown, but yeah unless there's a mobile related or platform change, there are usually chipset lanes separate from the CPU.
>I would be pissed off if I had to buy the GPU module because integrated graphics were extremely weak.I guess it depends on what "extremely weak" means, but that was the norm for ages that especially in dGPU capable laptops (ie gaming laptops) if they had an iGPU at all, it was for backup, basic primarily 2D usage or not very demanding 3D usage. The FW13 has one of those APU style better integrated solutions because its smaller and there's no dGPU options, whereas something like the FW16 obviously has the latter (if anything, I think they should have offered a better dGPU option in the past but certainly one now). Now maybe Framework can do what Valve did with the Steam Deck and get AMD to make a custom-ish version that has the 9950X3D + RDNA3.5 integrated with greater performance, but I can't imagine that many people are buying the 16 wanting less than dGPU but more than integrated?
>>105700174>>105701344>That's the Macbook Air after a few years with its unreplaceable battery.I've replaced the battery on two macbooks thus far. It's irritating but not impossible. You can buy the parts and tools from ifixit and follow their guide.
>Who uses their laptop speakers anyway? It's far from the most important component of a laptop.The only reason people don't use their laptop speakers is because they sound like a 1970s mono radio. Macbook owners use their speakers all the time because they are really good.
I would like to add to this that I have been using a 13" m1 macbook pro (with the touchbar) for work for the past 3 years. It has been rock steady and I have never once heard the fan. I don't like Apple as a company
>>105702005> How expensive are they really for a small startup that has nowhere the scale of an HP or Dell?Very expensive for a device with its quality and specs being entirely sourced and produced outside of the US but being sold in US dollars.
>>105684496They've been around for quite some time.
>>105684454 (OP)battery life sucks
fan is loud
>>105684454 (OP)With Poos, You Lose!
Isn't a ThinkPad E14 the poorman's Framework anyway?
>>105684454 (OP)its not frame and it doesnt work.
>>105702245>Very expensive for a device with its quality and specs being entirely sourced and produced outside of the US but being sold in US dollars.How did you arrive at that conclusion? Can you show us the math?
>>105702201>I've replaced the battery on two macbooks thus far. It's irritating but not impossible. You can buy the parts and tools from ifixit and follow their guide.iFixit doesn't sell batteries for the M4 Macbook Air, it's seems they mostly sell old stuff.
>I would like to add to this that I have been using a 13" m1 macbook pro (with the touchbar) for work for the past 3 years.Good that you got 3 years out of it, but I know people for whom a simple screen damage rendered the whole thing into e-waste.
>>105703198Nope, no upgradability.
>>105701947>In the real world you need x86 processors to run most apps and games natively.yeah slower than m4 natively
>Not if you want 1TB SSD + 32GB of RAM.retarded cherry pick, i have 32GB on my desktop that i play games on and compile shit on when that laptop can't do either so what the fuck do i need that for
>Battery degradation takes less than that and you know it. I've seen puffed up batteries from Macs in just 2-3 years.that's anecdotal evidence bordering on obscene delusion but i'll entertain your retarded argument and in supposed 5 years time macbook will do 10 hours instead of 18 and framework will do 3 instead of 6 so it will be worthless and the battery is $100 and a new one will still be twice as bad as a used macbook one
>They're selling in all of the EU, are you retarded?yeah from fucking imports you ape
>>105703924>iFixit doesn't sell batteries for the M4 Macbook Airthen dont buy from ifixit you niggerbrained consooming corpo cocksucking bootlicker
>Good that you got 3 years out of it, but I know people for whom a simple screen damage rendered the whole thing into e-waste.does the screen on your laptop crack when the display turns off and it has to reflect your retarded facade? how do you even break a screen
>>105704204>yeah slower than m4 nativelyNo, they don't run on the M4.
>retarded cherry pickIt's not, 256GB of storage is extremely limiting even in laptops. Installing just a couple of apps and games fills up the disk that quickly. And 32GB is needed if you don't want to worry about Chrome filling up all your available memory.
>and the battery is $100It's only about 50 bucks, and the battery is replaceable unlike the iToddler device.
>yeah from fucking imports you apeSame for the US as they're made in Taiwan, what's your point Moysha?
>then dont buy from ifixit you niggerbrained consooming corpo cocksucking bootlickerSays the Apple shill. Don't buy from iFixit instead buy from shady chink sellers on ebay that will give you batteries that are nowhere near the OEM ones.
>how do you even break a screenYour entire arguments are of the form: "I don't do hypotheticals, as I would never be in that situation in the first place". It means your IQ is in the sub-90s.
>>105703198Do you paint your nails?
>>105701881https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-5-Ryzen-7-7840U-review-So-much-better-than-the-Intel-version.756613.0.html
>Response Time Black to White: 31.5ms>The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers.In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.1 (minimum) to 240 (maximum) ms. » 84 % of all devices are better.
This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (20.5 ms).
>Response Time 50% Grey to 80% Grey 50.4 ms>The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers. In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.165 (minimum) to 636 (maximum) ms. » 86 % of all devices are better. This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (32.2 ms).You can't just plug your ears and pretend you didn't hear that, you stupid nigger. There are a LOT of complains about it.
>>105701881https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-5-Ryzen-7-7840U-review-So-much-better-than-the-Intel-version.756613.0.html
>Response Time Black to White: 31.5ms>The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers. In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.1 (minimum) to 240 (maximum) ms. » 84 % of all devices are better. This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (20.5 ms).>Response Time 50% Grey to 80% Grey 50.4 ms>The screen shows slow response rates in our tests and will be unsatisfactory for gamers. In comparison, all tested devices range from 0.165 (minimum) to 636 (maximum) ms. » 86 % of all devices are better. This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (32.2 ms).You can't just plug your ears and pretend you didn't hear that, you stupid negro. There are a LOT of complains about it.
>>105684454 (OP)It's lego for man-childs that don't actually do anything useful with their computers. Like anyone that does anything serious wants to get to get a laptop to build
>>105705414NTA, but looking at NotebookCheck there that's the version of the display that's equivalent to the 2021 Framework version; they have newer ones now. I don't know if its any better, but the new one is a 2.8K display 120hz so I'd look to see how the comparison works vs the NBC assessment which says it was looking at the oldest screen variety for the 13 (besides the 2.8K there was also a matte update that had some other components I think besides the 'original' one they had there).
Don't get me wrong I want them to add a high end OLED for both but its a different IPS than what they started out with years ago that was tested there on NBC.
>>105705444>https://www.notebookcheck.net/Framework-Laptop-13-5-Core-Ultra-7-review-New-2-8K-120-Hz-display-with-Arc-8-graphics.874187.0.html>Response Time Black to White 23.7 ms>This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (20.5 ms).>Response Time 50% Grey to 80% Grey 41.9 ms>This means that the measured response time is worse than the average of all tested devices (32.1 ms).Keep in mind that you need 16.7 ms to qualify for unnoticeable blur experience for 60 Hz. Half of that for 120 Hz.
>>105705478Find me a 60hz laptop LCD panel with 16.7 ms or better response times.
You can't.
>>105684454 (OP)Does it have a Jeet CTO?
>>105684454 (OP)not any better at distributing firmware updates than Chinese brands lol
>>105705615The original argument was about Thinkpad vs Framework when it comes to price point.
Thinkpad beats it price wise AND has an OLED.
>>105705667Framework can never compete against Lenovo on price you retard.
>>105703886Look at the device. Now look at a Macbook. Now compare the prices. Anon...
>>105705712Then it's shit
Simple as that
>>105705667>Thinkpad beats it price wiseNo it doesn't. The third party ram and SSD you cherrypicked are overpriced asf.
ThinkPads don't come with fucking Kingston FURY or WD_BLACK from the factory.
I can get 64GB 5600Mhz DDR5 SODIMM Crucial ram for $130 and a 1TB Crucial SSD for $56, which puts it below the ThinkPad price now.
Also, no one wants OLEDs in laptops anymore now because of how bad the battery life is, and also other things like PWM and text fringing.
Everyone I know that has an OLED laptop wishes that there had been a high end IPS panel option available instead.
And pre-installed Windows always gets overwritten with LTSC IoT or Linux anyway.
did they ship their ai slop hardware yet?
>>105705808yes, no difference in performance or battery life
there's no reason to even upgrade anymore
hardware has stagnated
Thank you to the people in this thread for helping me to decide, I just won an auction for a brand new ThinkPad E14 Gen 6.
I'm going to swap in a 2.5K 120hz DCI-P3 500 nit panel (that has good response times), swap in an Intel AX210 WLAN card, add either 32GB or 64GB of ram, swap in the larger 57Wh battery, and add a second NVMe drive in...
Did I do good?
>>105705719That's not what I was asking, obviously similarly spec'ed devices are more expensive for Framework. What I was asking was how do you define expensive for a company that has nowhere near the volume of giants like Apple or HP? Since they can't produce laptops with the same price as those giants with the small volumes that they have.
>>105705747>Then it's shitBy your argument any new company that tries to enter the market and make a laptop that is both replaceable and upgradeable will be shit. You will never be satisfied with anything, which is funny because you'd be the same guy who would complain about there not being any replaceable and upgradeable laptop and all laptops being disposable e-waste.
>>105705824I mean that 128gb ram ... thing
>>105705849Although I wish I could have gotten the Framework as I like the way it looks.
Is there a cheaper 13-14 inch laptop with a 3:2 aspect ratio screen? If so, I'll buy one.
>>105684454 (OP)Whats up with all the indian CEOs btw
>>105706184Please sar, do the needful and don't question it.
>>105705916Why do you act like Framework laptop monopolize the idea of replacing display, keyboard and cover?
Lenovo does sell replacement parts for the P14s Gen 5.
>>105705849Be careful where you get that screen. There are a lot of chink shit screen floating around out there where pixels will start dying on it at some point, if it didn't already come with the dead pixels.
>>105706215>Lenovo does sell replacement parts for the P14s Gen 5The P14s Gen 5 has a fucking screen whitelist, I learned this when I tried to upgrade it with an aftermarket screen.
Framework is about actually owning your hardware and doing whatever you want with it.
>>105706288I know more than you.
Maybe don't buy from American resellers who are jewish scamming kikes.
Buying direct from China has never disappointed me.
>>105705902That's not what I was asking, obviously similarly spec'ed devices are more expensive for Framework. What I was asking was how do you define expensive for a company that has nowhere near the volume of giants like Apple or HP? Since they can't produce laptops with the same price as those giants with the small volumes that they have.
My point was that the device is is poor quality in comparison for the price on the consumer end, regardless of anything else. I am not a charity and won't excuse expensive garbage. If they produced a machine that was on par with, or even a little worse, than a Macbook for a higher price I could actually excuse the price. The issue being that they are pricing really bad specs and hardware at or higher than that of vastly superior machines.
>>105684454 (OP)Because you can easily repair and upgrade it instead of buying a new one after it gets purposefully deprecated
>>105706304> Buying direct from China has never disappointed me.That's exactly where I, as well as others, got that experience. Have fun retard.
>>105706316Just buy a desktop
>>105706135Yes. Used Framework.
>>105706323I've already bought dozens of panels from China over the decade. They're always the exact part numbers I ordered, no defects or dead pixels on any of them.
>>105706215Framework isn't just about replacing displays, keyboards and covers.
>>105706314Why do you expect them to produce something on par with a Macbook when even bigger laptop manufacturers still can't match them? You're setting impossible expectations for a small company with a very low volume for no good reason.
>>105706571From where do you order them from?
>>105684454 (OP)If you can't compare it to other options and see that it's kind of shit then go ahead and buy it anon. Jeets rely on stupid people to grift after all.
>>105684454 (OP)/g/ always tells me that jeet ceos are bad because they only hire other indians...
then why is he literally the only indian employee at Framework?
https://frame.work/about
He seems to be the only indian there, the rest are white people and sea monkeys, and one token black guy.
>>105706679The rule is not a universal, but a trend.
Besides it'd be dead by now it he just hired his family like a bunch do.
>>105706584A device priced at its equivalent quality is not an impossible expectation. Again, not a charity. The reality is, it's a poor product at a high price. You can give them your money if you want but that doesn't change the fact.
>>105706679The whole INDIAN CEO SAAAR is more about formerly white big companies getting usurp by a brown yesman.
Nirav is a jeet but at least he founded his company.
>>105684454 (OP)>>105707067He's pretty cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-rmhAqPN4
>>105706679Rules have exceptions. There's a 100% chance this guy is constantly getting berated by his family and their friends for not nepo-hiring them, assuming they haven't alienated him entirely yet. Same thing with Jews and old-money WASPs.
>>105707148He was actually adopted by a white liberal couple.
>>105684454 (OP)I've been thinking about getting their two in one foldable. I have a dell 14" two in one now that I use for reading and really like the form factor for that.
>>105705942If you were going to do that many upgrades yourself, why not go for the Framework? I know some users on their forum talked about using custom components outside those Framework sold; dealing with them may be more difficult than certified to work components, but if you wanted to drop in a different display vs the one they offer that sort of stuff has proven possible, provided you know what you're doing, and the space, power, connections etc.. are all accounted. I think some user even ported one of those OLEDs from Razer (I think maybe it was something else) in the past.
>>105684454 (OP)this guy's not even really a jeet
>>105707256If Nirav Patel isn't a jeet, neither is Sundar Pichai, Natya Nutella, Shantuna Narayen, Alvin Krishna.
>>105707395all of those jeets were born and raised in India
framework guy is obviously born here. he has no accent and doesn't have weird speech patterns like jeetEOs do
>>105707417I dunno, man. Mutahar was born and raised in Canada yet everyone on /g/ calls him a jeet with reckless abandon.
Should I trust you?
>>105707532who the fuck is that and why should anybody care
>>105706584Why should I care about any of that?
Pic related
>>105704526>No, they don't run on the M4.what doesnt run on m4
>inb4 some specific DAW or video editing shit>It's not, 256GB of storage is extremely limiting even in laptops. Installing just a couple of apps and games fills up the disk that quickly. And 32GB is needed if you don't want to worry about Chrome filling up all your available memory.i have 500 tabs open and it uses 10gb with a good portion of them being loaded
512 is enough for a laptop
>Same for the US as they're made in Taiwan, what's your point Moysha?they're not imported because they're registered in the us
>Says the Apple shilli have never owned apple anything and dont want to nice ad hominem when youre runnign out of arguments
>It means your IQ is in the sub-90s.125-135 tested
ad hominem, which is ironic considering you're accusing me of a fallacy
you know you can just buy the thinkpad? it's like 3x faster and has oled and better everything and still has replaceable ram and storage
i bought a WD black 2TB nvme for $100
>>105709173pretty sure it's all on their github
>>105709129>what doesnt run on m4Most games and many professional apps.
>i have 500 tabs open and it uses 10gb with a good portion of them being loaded500 tabs of 4chan doesn't count since it's light. 512GB is not enough if you save any media content on your laptop.
>they're not imported because they're registered in the usIs that why they had to raise prices due to tariffs? Why are you so dumb?
>still has replaceable ram and storageThat's not enough, every component has to be replaceable and parts need to be available for a long time (just like with Framework). Also no upgradability with Thinkpads, you're stuck with whatever CPU+iGPU combo you have for the rest of the laptop's lifetime.
>>105707663Sounds like you never run a business and that's a good thing because you'd bankrupt them faster than anyone else.
>>105684454 (OP)>purchasing ewasteayylmao
>>105711453Getting off work in India I see.
Anyway, yep yep yep. I don't care if Framework goes bankrupt. I want either a dirt cheap laptop or a premium laptop. Framework fulfills neither.
>>105684454 (OP)I've got a framework, got mine probably 5 years ago. Probably batch 5 of the original.
Don't really have any issues.
Don't need to upgrade but still kindof want to.
> Cost of upgrade will be a fraction of the price of a new laptop with the same specs since I already have all the main components. > Still get to keep old components to use as a home server with moderate specs.> Everything else feels like a scam if you have to buy the parts you don't need to upgrade.It's a bit of an upfront cost but you're really buying the thing knowing you'll want an upgrade in 5-10 years and want the next one to be cheaper.
>>105711441>Most games and many professional apps.i dont care
>500 tabs of 4chan doesn't count since it's light. 512GB is not enough if you save any media content on your laptop.wishful thinking and utter lies on both accounts
>Is that why they had to raise prices due to tariffs?yes that's correct i dont know whats so hard to understand
>That's not enough, every component has to be replaceable and parts need to be available for a long time (just like with Framework). what can't you replace? screen? wrong battery? wrong
>Also no upgradability with Thinkpads, you're stuck with whatever CPU+iGPU combo you have for the rest of the laptop's lifetime.the mainboard costs as much as a new laptop
>>105701344>ALSO nice fucking open product muh repairability with locked down shitass fucking proprietary bios, says a lot about the dogass companyFirmware comes from the hardware vendors, and open sourcing it is up to the hardware vendors, not Framework. It's not going to happen. The closest you'll get to it is people choosing to reverse engineer the hardware and write a cleanroom implementation of the firmware - and that's a thankless task that has to be re-started for each and every piece of hardware. (There'll be some re-use, as newer hardware will likely be a variant on the older - but it's still a mammoth undertaking.)
There are reasons why even the most purist open source operating systems out there have given up and redistribute (directly or indirectly) firmware blobs. It's just not practical to do anything else.
>>105711613>i dont careWe know because you buy iToddler devices to merely browse Facebook on them.
>wishful thinking and utter lies on both accountsHow is it lies? Did you ever try to download torrented movies or series? You know how that quickly adds up?
>yes that's correct i dont know whats so hard to understandYour point was moot.
>the mainboard costs as much as a new laptopFalse but even if we assume that for the sake of argument it's irrelevant, you can still upgrade when you can't with other laptops. (It is false since mainboards don't cost anywhere near a new laptop unless you're buying the latest and greatest model) To illustrate why that is false here's an example: let's say you bought the first gen Framework in 2021 and you want to upgrade its mainboard today, buying the 7640U mainboard would cost you only 379$ and offers quiet a leap in performance (both CPU and GPU) over that generation of Intel processors, which seems like a very fair price.
>>105684454 (OP)Stil no good trackpad with proper buttons
>>105684454 (OP)no particular reason.
I see your pic and it gives women the -ick
>>105711751that's complete BS since you can load blobs and the bios is written by framework unless i'm completely fucking wrong or they actually don't even design their shit in house
>>105711815>We know because you buy iToddler devices to merely browse Facebook on them.i dont own anything apple
>How is it lies? Did you ever try to download torrented movies or series? You know how that quickly adds up?i have 3TB of shit on my pc drives, 256gb is enough for a laptop unless macos takes up 50gb which i have no clue if it does
thinkpads have m2 slots open
>7640U mainboardi didnt look at last gen
>>105684510Leddit faggots mad cuckraine is getting BTFO
>>105706567what do you think I already have
>>105684454 (OP)just buy a fucking mac or something and stop being such a gimmick pig
>>105712028>good trackpadno such thing
>>105684454 (OP)i wish i could afford one, they look so cool
>>105715656black version is the thinkpad e14 gen 6
>>105684454 (OP)For what they are they are stupidly expensive, and their whole gimmick is just retard proofing repairs - which also banks on their long term existence and them not becoming greedy bastards over time.
Basically any laptop used in a business environment will have a plethora of replacement parts available for years. They will often also be available from the manufacturers website under their warranty pages. The companies also generally give guides for how to replace these parts (at least I know Lenovo does).
Their whole ecosystem seems retarded to me. Its just retard proofing repairs, by making custom parts - this means there is a reliance on them both existing long term and them not falling victim to greed or being bought out by another company that wants to milk their customers.
Thats also not to mention for the price, they are pretty mediocre and aesthetically look a bit shit.
>>105712294>that's complete BS since you can load blobs The blobs are given to them closed source, you think Intel gives open source blobs to laptop manufacturers?
>and the bios is written by framework unless i'm completely fucking wrong or they actually don't even design their shit in houseIt's not written by Framework, they customize a proprietary BIOS from a Taiwanese company.
>>105712294>256gb is enough for a laptopNot if you game or do any professional work on it.
>>105713818>Just buy unrepairable e-waste and stop being a gimmick pig
>>105716757I do professional work on my laptop, software dev.
My work partition is 100GB. I only use about 25GB of it too.
So long as you don't let your porn folder get out of hand you really don't need much storage.
>>105684454 (OP)The 2x markup, other than that it's very attractive. Also they should update the AMD model to the new CPUs, I don't know of a single person that wants to buy Intel atm. I haven't seen a single person care about le jeet outside of the spam threads being made about it by you.
>>105715656You can apply custom skins from dbrand to the Framework 13 to make it black.
>>105716894>Also they should update the AMD model to the new CPUsThey did, barely a difference in performance or battery life.
>>105716948No? 9000 series is the new one
>>105716971No one buys the Framework 16, it's been abandoned.
>>105716979The Framework 13 only has the new meme CPUs, the real CPUs are still 7000 series.
get a thinkpad from 2011 and call it a day
>>105685186I'm going to buy one of their displays to use as a second monitor because you can find anything that square with good resolution and refresh rate these days
>>105684454 (OP)isn't it actually unreliable hardware that gets a pass because "you can replace it"
>>105719683I wouldn't know. All Youtubers are glazing it. Even the one that judges the chassis build quality points out that Framework is quite flimsy yet willing to look the other way in the conclusion.
>>105716894Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 framework has bootleg e-cores and barely improved iGPU due to RAM bottleneck for the price of two older framework. What is there to be excited about?
>>105716790you can't do pro work without docker in 2025 and docker will happily eat 1tb over a month of work.
>>1057146012005 trackpads were so good you could play fps's with them and still be a top performer.
Since apfail killed trackpads they are now so useless you can't even do boomer work with them.
>>105716894I'm not sure it's a 2x markup. Yes, framework costs more than the sum of its parts (defined here as the cost of mobo, CPU, screen, RAM, etc., plus wires to solder everything together) but it's also got novel components no one else is making. The modularity is the result of custom tooling, R&D, labor, etc. None of those things are free, and it has value because framework did the work of shoehorning components often designed for permanent integration into a modular package.
I think "markup" is too imprecise to encompass all of this. It implies the difference between the sticker price and cost of inputs is purely arbitrary and pure profit. I don't see a good argument for that, personally.
>too expensive!
Holy shit, why do people keep regurgitating this nonsense? Yes, if you buy it pre-assembled, with a Windows license, and include RAM/storage in your order, it is indeed quite expensive. However of you get the DIY edition without the Windows license and get RAM/storage cheaper elsewhere (if you are the target audience for this kind of laptop and have working synapses you should be able to), then you can get the 13' model with the nicer screen, 32GB of RAM, and 1TB storage for about €1300. A comparable Macbook or Thinkpad (with the same for factor, mind you) will cost you about €2000.
>>105716744>The blobs are given to them closed sourcethe blobs are closed source by definition you ape
>>105716757neither of those laptops can do professional work which which i have stated multiple times
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>>105697538you fucking lying rat
there's no comparison the fucking thinkpad blows the toy out of the water at 2/3 the price
>>105721491you are a nigger, i already blown you the fuck out why earlier in the thread
funny how you never responded to my reply
>>105721509ad hominem because you dont have counter arguments
also what reply link it
>>105721491Anon re-read my post.
In your image of the framework you are including RAM and storage (which you can get for half the price elsewhere) and a Windows license (lmao). Meanwhile the Thinkpad you posted starts at €1500 for a 1200p screen here in Europe, vs €1300 for the Framework with the higher resolution screen.
>>105721580the fucking thinkpad has an O L E D and a 3x faster cpu you retard fucking $200 either way makes no difference if the laptop is worth $700 at best
>>105721601The cheapest model I can find with an OLED (sorry, an O L E D) here in E u r o p e costs approximately €600-700 more than the Framework in my example: https://tweakers.net/laptops/lenovo/thinkpad-p14s-gen-5_p1637252/vergelijken/
>>105721691>we don't do that IN GERMANY
>>105721705>hij denkt dat het Duits is
>>105721691Why would you want an OLED anyway? Massive power draw on a mobile device. People act like OLED negates prior technology, as if watching lolicon on an LCD is just no longer possible -- it's just a black screen compared to watching your weird Chinese pedobait in 664636262728hz. Technophiles are like, "oh, the distinction between areola and vulva is just immaculate on OLED. No other technology can compare *tips fedora, retrieves crusty tissue from cargo pocket*".
>>105721810i'm not usually one to call people poor but jfc my $200 phone has an oled what the fuck do you even use to cope like that
>>105721822I have dual OLED monitors for my desktop because power draw isn't a concern and, yes, they're better. The point is that they're unnecessary on laptops if you are a desktop-first ubermensch. If your technology is oriented in a sensical rather than consumerist way, something like an OLED is just a contrived extra expense designed to get you to CONSUME PRODUCT AND THEN GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCTS. Not only is it an extra expense, it's one you've been conditioned to want.
>>105721844on what earth does OLED draw more power
>>105721849An earth in which most of the time you aren't looking at 90% black pixels.
>>105720527> you can't do pro work without docker in 2025You must be one of them downers that doesn't know how to use linux
Docker is not a requirement, it's a fad
I'm sure it's useful when working on specific projects but there was software dev long before there was docker and there will be software dev long after docker is gone
>>105721849The IPS screens made for laptop are optimized for low battery performance but take a huge hit on response time.
>>105716894>Also they should update the AMD model to the new CPUsThey already did.
>>105716979The Framework 16 has NOT been abandoned, why are you making stuff up?
>>105722147It's completely false, the hardware isn't old I don't know where that guy is getting that claim from, and the price is reasonable if you shop DIY and buy your own kits of RAM and an SSD.
>>105722322>The Framework 16 has NOT been abandonedHow do you know?
No translucent bezels for the 16 = Abandoned
>>105721849It's because there's different OLED tech.
The type of OLED panels used in phones are more "efficient" than the ones used in laptops and TVs.
>>105707225>If you were going to do that many upgrades yourself, why not go for the Framework?Because I won the E14 in an auction for a pretty low price, and the 120hz panel in the Framework has bad response times and bad color accuracy.
When my E14 dies, I will get a Framework.
By then I'm sure their offerings will be much better.
Framework doubles their revenue every year.
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>>105700880That's retarded woman logic. As a buyer it doesn't matter if the company is big or small or whatever, the only things that effect you is cost and quality of product received. I don't give a fuck if they made it in an indian shoebox or in a factory daycare in china all I care about is if I'm getting my money's worth.
>>105701755>Electricity goes out at the pole constantly, city refuses to fix the issue>Random power outages make me complain constantly>Finally a local guy agrees to fix it, hell yeah>All I have to do is pay him triple the rate and let him ass rape me after>Tell him no>"Oh so you must not have actually wanted the power fixed huh?"
>>105724016Shit metaphor. You pay more up front for a framework but less over time. You can actually replace things instead of having to buy an entire new machine. It pays for itself the literal second your not-framework dies and you have to replace it.
>>105684454 (OP)The CEO is basically white.
>>105685032>>t. Fw 13 ryzen 9 hx370 ownerhows the battery life on it?
>>105723605>No translucent bezels for the 16 = AbandonedMaking translucent bezels for the 16 is extremely challenging due to rigidity issues. If it was that easy we would already be seeing translucent bezels for the 16 since they would just change the mold that they used for the 13.
>>105724016>That's retarded woman logic. As a buyer it doesn't matter if the company is big or small or whatever, the only things that effect you is cost and quality of product received. I don't give a fuck if they made it in an indian shoebox or in a factory daycare in china all I care about is if I'm getting my money's worth.You're not getting your money's worth by buying disposable e-waste with soldered NAND though.
>>105727646>Making translucent bezels for the 16 is extremely challenging due to rigidity issues.Some fag on etsy makes custom bezels for the Frameworks, they're just incompetent.
Why does everyone think the price is bad? It's comparable to other laptops in it's class (Thinkpads, XPSes, etc.)
>>105727677Wake me up when they don't put only 4 ports on FW13. That's just embarassingly bad.
>>105727690Transparent plastics are not an easy problem, retard. Magpul worked on translucent magazines for the better part of a decade. The reason it doesn't work is because you can't just use glass fiber reinforced plastic like you do with opaque colors. You'd see the fibers dumbass.
>>105728380https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQZMkT7M8rg
First laptop ive seen in years thats isnt fucking garbage. Easily swappable battery and configurable ports? Bout goddamn time. not a fuck huge piece of shit? 12 is almost small enough.
Fuck it street shitters or no im getting the frame work 12. Right to repair is worth any extra charge. The reason to hate jeets is they never do the right thing, theyre scum. Framework is clearly doing the right thing here.
case fucking closed.
>>105728476>Easily swappable batteryYou mean like an external battery that used to be common back then?
Framework doesn't have it either.
>>105728489that would be ideal. but this is tye best of an awful situation. if we dont start supporting repairability we'll all end up with more apple garbage products.
Im done buying garbage. im tited of buying an entire new fucking laptop when something could jist be fixed or upgraded. Everything in the modern world is disposable fucking garbage with no value yet a giant price tag.
FUCK APPLE WITH THE BUSINESS END OF A GODDAMNED RAKE! and fuck all of you who supported the enshittification of fucking everything! Even the goddamned cars are overpriced and unfixable now!
Stop giving these fuckers money to fuck us! a repairable/upgradeable option comes along FUCKIN BUY IT DIPSHITS.
or shit WILL get worse. show the industry demand and someone will do better than framework. or dont and shit will continue as is.
>>105728621I want a repairable AND affordable laptop however.
The real move is to not buying any laptop.
Does anyone own the Framework 16? Is it possible to boot from one of the SSD's in the expansion bay and still use the attachment ports on the laptop? Like if I want to use Windows on the main ssd, and boot linux from the expansion bay and use the laptop ports like normal?
>>105729001>The real move is to not buying any laptop.No shit. But if you do end up needing one it's nice to know that there's at least one lesser evil option.
The entire rest of the market is gaymerslop and "we want the female oxygen third middle manager audience"
>>105684454 (OP)I want the pink one because its cute.
>>105729176i don't own one but why wouldn't you be able to?
It's a completely normal motherboard that allows you to boot from USB. If you could do it on your desktop you could do it on the framework too.
>>105730206How much of a speed dfference do you think it would be writing/reading from an ssd on the motherboard compared to the expansion bay?
>>105730852you'd be limited to thunderbolt 4 speeds and immediately thermally throttled, so... a lot?
>>105688551>because we see through the bullshit.there isnt any bullshit they seem far better than anyyhing else on the market atm most of /g/ is poor and unemployed of course theres no general for them kek. if i was buying a new laptop id probably get one but i like my thinkpad x201
>>105697202>why can't anybody make a laptop with swapable processoramd and intel only set bga processors now they used to sell socketed ones like 10 years ago and you could upgrade any laptop cpu
Buying a Apple (designed in USA produced in India) vs buying FW (designed in India produced in USA)
We re gonna have to have a Sharia council to lay out the laws of racism and how they apply in this case. Inshallah.