Thread 105687618

>doesn't work with NVIDIA cards
>doesn't work with OBS
>doesn't work with poking tools
>doesn't work with multiple monitors
>makes your applications laggy
I am led to believe that /g/ only praises Wayland out of contrarianism (same reason they think GNOME or Xfce are good interfaces).

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>>105687618 (OP)
Works for me

>>105687618 (OP)
wayland fucking sucks I dont care what people say im staying on x11

>>105687618 (OP)
>>doesn't work with NVIDIA cards
It does
>>doesn't work with OBS
it does
>>doesn't work with poking tools
I don't know what poking tools is or does
>>doesn't work with multiple monitors
It does
>>makes your applications laggy
It doesn't

GNOME is a great interface.

>>105687687
>GNOME is a great interface.
you almost had me

>>105687687
>I don't know what poking tools is or does
A popular one on Windows is Cheat Engine

there is no such thing as "wayland".
there are different graphical shells that still want to keep software compatibility between them, and fail, because tinkertrannies can't agree on anything, otherwise there wouldn't be multiple shells in the first place.

this is peak tinkertrannyism.

>>105687618 (OP)
loonix is poojeet copeware see >>105687722

>>105687618 (OP)
works on my machine faggot

>>105687618 (OP)
the fuck you talking about? I am on wayland + nvidia for almost 7 years and I never had any problems

>>105687618 (OP)
Wayland is not retarded, it's merely unfinished.
To replace Xorg as the next x-Windows system (as Xorg replaced xfree86 before it) Wayland has to have all the functions, features and abilities that Xorg does. In short, once every program written for x-Windows (in the incarnation of Xorg) can compile and run 100% in Wayland, then Wayland can be considered finished.
The real retardation is crippling one's program to get it to run on Wayland. Don't do that: once Wayland is finished, your program, as-is, will work, with zero effort on your part.

>>105689190
>To replace Xorg as the next x-Windows system
sorry miss, it's what XLibre is for.

>>105689373
is there a logo already? hope somebody is working on it

>>105689190
by the time wayland is finished it'll have been abandoned for 12 years and forked off as WayLibre out of frustration from someone who wants to finish it

>>105687618 (OP)
>novideo
don't be a retard next time you purchase hardware. Rest is outright lies or skill issue.

OP is a lying faggot who couldn't figure out how to install Arch Linux.

>>105689190
Wayland is not unfinished. Unfinished implies intended features are yet to be implemented. But this is not the case, Wayland is finished. Those features you think are missing. They are religiously apposed to adding those features.

>>105687618 (OP)
>>doesn't work with NVIDIA cards
That's a feature, not a bug.

Maybe NoVidya should play nicer with Loonix if they want Wayland to support them.

>>105690650
>>105684736
>apposed

Wayland is Gnomeland. Just don't use Gnome.

>>105691703
if i wrote words how americans spoke them, you wouldn't know wtf i was writing

I assumed most people still aren't using wayland yet. X11 works fine for me. Why would I change without a benefit or reason to?

None of those things are true

>>105687618 (OP)
Bros, is this a bug or a feature?

>>105693256
It's to help you find your cursor. You can turn it off

>>105693256
The authentic KDE experience.

>>105687618 (OP)
cars are retarded
>can't cross terrain like a horse
>requires pavement
>need to fill up with gas instead of grass
>engines only last 5,000 miles before breaking
>rough ride

Why would Henry Ford ever create such dogshit as the Model T?

>>105687618 (OP)
>doesn't work with SimpleScreenRecorder
into the trash it goes

After using awesome wm for 10 years I reluctantly installed hyprland. Tried it out for a few hours and an xwayland window managed to crash my entire session and kicked me out to a tty and I lost everything. Not happened once in ten years of x11. Also tried playing a game and it would stutter unplayably unless I turned vsync off and played with the frame rate uncapped. Can't seem to recreate my awesome wm workflow in wayland either, because as far as I can tell there is no established stable protocol for windows reporting what workspace they're on and none of the status bars like waybar have implemented them. So you can only show the current active window in the taskbar, or every single one across all workspaces, which gets very cluttered.

Wayland is fundamentally flawed due to implicit sync architecture. The entire graphics computing world has standardized on explicit sync. Nvidia tried to work with the Wayland "people" for years, explaining their design is antiquated and conflicting with modern graphics API convergence (DX12/Vulkan/Metal). These no-graphics kiosk display peddlers of course ignored the largest graphics card manufacturer in the world.

People complain about Nvidia, but they were right. Everyone is now on explicit sync and Wayland has to plump hacks all the way through their architecture to try to fix it.

>>105694011
you don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about, do you

>>105694056
I only read the never ending series of threads on the gitlab between the devs and that one Nvidia guy who is basically carrying the entire effort on his back.

They fought against it for like a decade, then they took some more years to plumb the hacks through.

>>105689423
> >95% of discrete GPU market
>CUDA
>BTFO AMD for anything like raytracing/rendering/3D/simulation/science/engineering/etc
But yeah, let's all get shitty off brand GPUs with garbage drivers just to have an easier time with a non-functional tranny shitware made to be purposefully incompatible with Nvidia

>>105687618 (OP)
>>doesn't work with NVIDIA cards
skill issue

>>105687721
You do understand that these can be made on Linux right? Just walk task->mm for the task you want to inspect. It works the same exact way in Windows except it's a process handle and you have to attach to the process. This has nothing to do with Gayland.

As a Wayland hater who uses it exclusively now on nvidia it does work and with 3 monitors
Obs works only on Wayland on X it drops frames constantly like crazy both on recording and in game(reason why I only use Wayland now) only flaw on Wayland is no keyboard shortcut support and no window capture
On X dragging windows around lags like shit, on Wayland nearly perfect
I hate how sleep is often more broken compared to X, the lack of xkill, nonfunctional drag and drop, absolutely insane VRAM usage (4-6GB on desktop but its not much lower on X either, on windows is impossible to make it reach 1GB) that aside Wayland works more for me than X which is sad but at the end of the day as long as it works I don't mind too much.

>>105693335
What does Wayland provide over X11?

>>105696088
there is no "wayland". what shell do you use. gnome, kde, hyprland?

>>105696114
Performance and security

Wayland is based and redpilled.

t. hyprchad

>>105696131
>Performance
LibreOffice lags on Wayland
>Security
This "security" just breaks the functionality you need on your computer. It's anti-Linux and turns your PC into an iPhone.

>>105687618 (OP)
>doesn't work with NVIDIA cards
Werks on my machine
>doesn't working with OBS
Werks on my machine
>doesn't work with poking tools
Werks on my machine
and I poking tool'd yer mum lmao
>doesn't work with multiple monitors
Yeah, you may be right on thi--Nevermind, actually
Werks on my machine
>makes your applications laggy
Yer brain is getting laggy xD
Oh and btw.
WERKS.
ON.
MY.
MACHINE.

Cry more Xcuck.
Seethe about it Xcuck.
Xlibre? We make fun of it!
Jordan Petridis is gigabased!!

>>105696131
>appends malicious code to your ~/.bashrc
>hijacks your LD_PRELOAD
nothing personnel kid, enjoy your security theater

>>105696131
laggy and theonly purpose of preventing screen recording is DRM enforcement you nigger

>>105696122
KDE ofc which also crashes somewhat often, "plasmashell" so like the taskbar and desktop, slightly annoying but I can live with it.
Wayland is usable for me, shame X got so abandoned its breaking down on itself now, I wasn't looking forward to switching and the mentioned issues still annoy me quite a bit.
>>105696201
Games and OBS lag like shit on X for me, security I agree with tho, its lockdown bullshit, I wanna be able to have OBS or anything else read all my shortcuts because thats literally how they have to work. If this was Windows where I had proprietary shit I'd get this argument but on Linux everything is FOSS and trustworthy so I never ever want to have usability blocking features for a nonexistent security gain. Oh yeah on X and Xwayland GPU screen recorder can group recordings based off the process name just like ShadowPlay, super useful, native Wayland blocks that because of this modern security theater bullshit.

>>105696385
its not about security, its about the groundwork for DRM on linux, theres even Poettering now pushing for tying TPM 2.0 into the boot process of linux, probably for the same jewish reasons

>>105696266
Wife Shuba

>>105696409
If that is true yeah sad not unexpected in the slightest, Linux isgettig too popular for there to not be interest in locking it down. Wish the best for the Xfork guy.

>>105687618 (OP)
>doesn't work with NVIDIA cards

It works with nvidia like a charm.

>>105696507
lennart poettering talking about tpm 2.0 in the systemd-boot module of his shitty systemd project, which he has pushed to be a dependency of nearly everything he can, achieving partial success in Xorg and most wayland compositors and full success in anything in the TinyHat/GNOME space, with gtk5 planning on making systemd and a full dbus implementation hard dependencies again

https://youtu.be/vT2uw25o0uM

>>105694011
Massive trvthnvke

>>105694011
I thought they added explicit sync last year

>>105696646
After fighting against it forever. Now they have a "protocol". But in reality explicit sync is still a second citizen buggy mess. You can't really talk about the truth regarding Wayland because everything is buggy in it's own unique and special way, including explicit sync implementation. If you don't personally use this shit, you really don't know the actual state.

Wayland is ironically building up a legacy of debt built around bad initial architecture decision, stubbornly defended for a decade, only try to implement an imperfect hacky fix. We have long since passed the sunk cost fallacy, we're eating opportunity cost on Wayland 2, now with an actual reference implementation.

>>105696671
Why not just adopt Aqua or Quartz instead of an X replacement?

>>105696671
What exactly is the problem with X11 supposed to be?

>>105696682
If you ask Wayland trannies they shill security (which has resulted in an endless user usability mess) and fake features like vsync and mixed DPI, both of which are supported on Xorg in practical reality. I think Wayland has HDR but no color calibration.

Just because Xorg is old and stinky doesn't mean it doesn't work. It currently works well. Meanwhile Wayland is genuinely worthy of a business technology course on the dangers of letting morons bike shed by morons for 15 years.

PS. All that "even the xorg devs say!" is gaslighting stolen valor by glorified code jannies.

>>105696682
dont you know? if you use X11 still youre just a raciss bigoted nazi

https://youtu.be/oDuxP2vnWNk

>>105691888
Saaaar

>>105696131
>Performance
XWayland adds overhead

>>105694011
it's their fault that nobody listened to them doe. they're arrogant cunts with a "my way or the highway" mentality and thought they could just dictate things arbitrarily even though they're still the only GPU company who won't FOSS their drivers. the only reason they support wayland now is because some people are running their AIslop on linux and leaving their desktop drivers in a broken state would have made them look like idiots to a sizable minority of their customers.

In today's episode of Wayland breaks everything.
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues/4263

>>105696285
>dont you know? if you use X11 still youre just a raciss bigoted nazi
>Video unavailable
>This content is not available on this country domain due to a legal complaint.
SCHIZO FREAK FUCK OFF AND DIE

>>105696751
i MEANT YOU LOLE

>>105697378
>kernel regression
>blame wayland
why are Xtoddlers like this?

look up how to chop an onion and not cut the root

Wayland is gay!
(X11 is trans)

>>105697410
>Kernel functionality specifically used by Wayland, which is just the API
>NUH UH IT'S NOT OUR FAULT
Cope.

>>105697466
Level 5 mental gymnastics

>>105697541
topkek

check this out: https://s4s-education.neocities.org/edu-13

>>105696700
What is with the absolute obsession with security? Why are they chasing for micro-improvements to security which are dubious at best that comes at the cost of basically everything else? I'm not trying to have the most secure platform in existence, I just want to watch youtube and play games.

>>105699154
KDE comes from Germany. KDE e.V. is the main developer AFAIK. And germans cannot distinguish between security and safety, they only have one word "Sicherheit". Maybe the security derangement syndrome in the open source community stems from that.

>>105699997
to be fair security and safety mean basically the same thing

>>105687618 (OP)
My OBS works (after forcing it to run in xwayland mode because the retards still haven't implemented the global shortcut protocol on their end)

>>105700013
so maximum security prison should be the safest environment for you.

>>105700165
they provide the greatest safety from its' contents

>>105700165
prisons don't provide security to it's prisoners...
what prisons protect is what's outside of the prison, not what's inside. it's like the opposite of a vault

>>105700214
wayland protocol and systemd are being designed for the same purpose, the end goal is to implement a unified, isolated platform to allow aggressive DRM measures on linux for Red Hat and Microsoft`s enterprise clients.

>>105700358
systemd hasn't hindered anything for me thus far. it does what sysvinit did and a ton more. most of which i've disabled at build time since i don't need much of it, but things like systemd-boot, networkd, user units, nspawn and the like have all been nice additions to my system. i like how quickly it boots and the uniform nature of its' tools. i can't think of anything about it that is worse than what i had before.
wayland on the other hand, i can't bring myself to even try much because as soon as i run a wayland compositor and feel that laggy mouse cursor, i close it and forget about it. not only have i not seen any benefit to using wayland for me, i have seen many disadvantages. at best at this point i could perhaps put up with it, but right now x11 hasn't let me down, so i just have no reason to use wayland

>>105700550
Oh yeah? For real, switch your kernel.
Try. It's possible. You can launch a DE like Xfce on BSD or OS X as well.

See what we mean?

>>105700565
misquote?

kernelhop

you can kernelhop, right?

>>105700584
No, the end goal is locking all DEs down to Linux instead of making them portable. It might not be Lennart Poetterings goal, but he is the useful idiot for some fat cat having that goal.

X is also cross platform. It's a cross. Can you see?

>>105687618 (OP)
Wayland is gay.

>>105696266
Steam Remote Play as host does not work on Wayland.

>>105700609
a de being locked to systemd is a separate issue to me using systemd
i don't use gnome for many reasons, though it apparently becoming systemd-only is not one of them, since i already use systemd. i don't know what i'd do if i used gnome and not systemd, that's something for such a user to figure out for themselves
i don't want to spend time thinking about how os-portable the software i use is. it's just not my problem. i'm a user, i use what i like and don't care for politics/drama. at most i read what i happen to run into to get an idea on potential future developments to aid in my decisions, but that's all.
being cross-platform isn't a reason i use X, nor is not being cross-platform a reason i use systemd

>>105700651
What's the use case for games? Contribute instead of slacking off and complaining!

>>105700685
Not contributing to Islamocommunist regimes projects.

>>105700683
>a de being locked to systemd is a separate issue to me using systemd
Fair point, it's probably not necessary to program DEs that way.

I'm kind of pissed that there is no distro with motif as theme which works OOTB.


Let that sink in, if you can. Like, how do they expect there to be programs on X, when no distro comes with the graphics for the framework to write apps for X for?

>>105700722
you'll have to do your own gaymen linux distro, it's probably for the best, and you get to be ultra nazi and racist as a reward

>>105693256
premium feature I'd say

>>105700760
tbf there's a million tranny distros out there already. Why not a /g/ayman distro too?

>>105687618 (OP)
>>doesn't work with NVIDIA cards
>>doesn't work with OBS
>>doesn't work with poking tools
>>doesn't work with multiple monitors
>>makes your applications laggy

But yet we are being forced to use it. Everyone is dropping the superior X11.

>>105687618 (OP)
I hate systemd but Wayland is legit. I'm so fucking glad Xorg is dead and all relevant distros are dropping that outdated piece of trash.

>>105700683
>nor is not being cross-platform a reason i use systemd
in fact, i actually like that we have something that takes advantage of linux-specific features.
freebsd has freebsd-specific functionality as well, so i'm sure there's software that only works there as well, and that's fine. if not for os-specific features/software, why even have separate os's? i'm pro-os diversity, as cringe as that word has become. not like winfags who can't understand why there's more than one linux distro
>>105700732
>it's probably not necessary to program DEs that way.
gnome is a special case. they seem to have that proprietary mindset where they have a specific, narrow scope with regards to how their software "should" be used. which is very different to most foss which is more about generally avoiding such restrictions where possible

24 years and no results and you think wayland is slow with its implementation lole

>>105700777
>Why not a /g/ayman distro too?
in the traditional linux sense, it doesn't make any sense, but in a (You) sense, apparently it does, so take it and run. Idk honestly how it'd overlap with steamOS, probably a lot, and that might be a good thing. I'd dig that way.

>>105700013
No, I disagree. Germans have another case like this: Envy and jealousy. I understand that envy means you see somebody being for example lucky and you hate that. And being jealous means you see somebody being happy but you would be like them, but not in a malicious way. Germans only know one word here as well: "neid". The public calls german culture "Deutsche Neidkultur" quite often.

I like what he said here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocl30fwpYgc
It's an "remigrierter" amerifat, but what he says in that video is true. Germans fucking suck as a people.

>>105701815
would want to be like them*

I'm ESL

>>105700683
no one really cares about you
you are an insignificant leech who only uses linux and contributes nothing to it
your opinions dont matter because you are a leech