Thread 105712620

Insecurity

>>105712620 (OP)
i buttfucked your mom in the ass and she screamed for more.

What kind of AI are you talking about? AI chatbots? AI image generation? AI speech generation? They each have their unique criticisms.

>>105712649
Yea, this is a big reason, midwits are definitely insecure about how "smart" they are.

>>105712658
Don't think it matters, the reasons are always cope.

>>105712658
>They each have their unique copes.
Fixed.

>>105712620 (OP)
People are uncertain as to whether they'll lose the means to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads. They don't want to lose that.

>>105712757
That's because of capitalism. It'll be cheaper to kill people than give them UBI.

If mass layoffs happen due to AI, where are the laid off workers supposed to go? No country has yet fully implemented a UBI program to help absorb the shock that would come to their income. A lot of people could become hungry and homeless.

>>105712814
Suicide pods, already approved in Canada and UK so US is next. China will get drone delivered KFC and UBI.

>>105712620 (OP)
>midwits
it's not about intelligence per se, but a liberal ideology that furnishes progressive-sounding justifications for what is essentially a reactionary, Luddite movement . The credentialed classes ("midwits") under capitalism reproduce the said ideology. The rest are either indifferent, or see through it.

>>105712856
Nah, it's also deeply uneducated religious types.

>>105712620 (OP)
Because AI bad.
The people who make it are mean.
The people who use it are mean.
It make you think worse.
AI bad.

>>105712890
But you think like dumb dumb.

>>105712620 (OP)
Because artcucks have been seething since day 1 and internet normies worship artcucks

>>105713038
^ if youre losing out to AI art, odds are your art is shit anyway. looking at all the conversations around AI you would think 50% of the population makes a living doing fanart.

Same with environmental concerns. like what do people think computers were doing before AI?

the real reason ai is bad is because it is compiling information from forums that included participants with actual knowledge. If everything gets replaced with AI our smartest model will only be as smart as the smartest stack overflow user from 2020

>>105712757
Which is fair enough if they were honest about it, but instead they keep spamming copes about how AI is shit or useless when it clearly isn't.

>>105712658
they group them all as one

>>105712620 (OP)
>unnecessary
>wasteful
>millions if not billions will starve
>makes people dumber
>takes all the fun and interest out of actually doing things
>mostly just exists as a mechanism for literal evil sociopaths to control us and ensure we can never fight back again
It's only a win for a narrow band of humanity, namely the capital class in the west. For everyone else it means death or a lifetime of stupidity and repression by people who genuinely believe they're righteous for using fear and pain to control people.
Pretty simple stuff. The only reason not to hate it is if you happen to be one of the tiny fraction of people who stand to seriously benefit from it. For everyone else, hating it is the only sane take, unless the west has a sweeping socialist revolution or something.

>>105713245
Having a simplistic binary worldview is a sign of low intelligence and in some cases mental illness.

>>105713139
Idk, AI can already do some of the best art there is, its mostly the niches and AI haters that keep the market up

>>105712620 (OP)
I am tired of this fucking meme. There are only 3 groups of people in regards to their opinions on AI

- People who think AI cant so shit and we are just wasting money and resources on it
- People who think AI will kill us all, or elites controlling AI will have no more use for us poor fucks so they will cull all of us, both result in all of us dying
- People who think AI is amazing, they either think it will just stop at automating medical research, or they are naive to think we will get UBI. Or the last option they know that we are all dying but keep lying about it because they want that to happen

Personally I think the second option is most probable and most smart people fall under that category if they do keep up with lots of AI research. If they dont then they are likely the first one, only Jeets, neets and cartoon villains like AI and the future it poses.

i don't believe any actual right curve would ever genuinely advocate for ML

>>105713284
How would a midwit know?

>>105713269
Agreed, the AI=GOOD crowd are either
>unintelligent enough to think they'll be the primary benefactors
>mentally ill enough to believe it can replace human beings and relationships
>among the few who stand to gain from it
Thankfully, sane intelligent people like me are here to help you all understand the problems that you really should be able to easily foresee.

>>105713357
He does it again, get help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

>>105713441
>ur a dum dum poopie head >:O
Wake me up if you have any actual points to make, ok?

>>105713284
it has its uses. generally how useful it is for something and how much it excites sloppers is inversely related.

>>105713282
this, if rich wanted to do this for the betterment of humanity there would be no such class disparity to begin with
AI is dumb, but it can replace many, because companies like barely sufficient slop
If a corporat see an opportunity to save some money, even if it's as small they won't bat an eye and do something unethical
UBI is wishful thinking, we are going to get fucked, because these people have no morals and don't care about anyone, but money
if we were at a point that most people were fired and economy collapses they would still not care, because they own assets
they might not even fear for their lives, because they could just prepare automatic killer guns (which already exist) to protect their mansions from riots

>>105712653
spbp

>>105713441
It's only splitting if it's not obviously true.

>>105712814
When the workers are laid off and left hungry and homeless, they will be left that way and given the bare minimum to keep most of them alive. Labor is a commodity, so when any technology lays people off and the supply of labor goes up while the demand does not it decreases in price like any other commodity. Desperate workers are good for business. To the ruling class, a bunch of laid off homeless workers is only a problem if they start causing trouble or their skills could be put to use making even more money elsewhere. To the ruling capitalists any social support program is a transaction, a tradeoff between the costs of keeping it active, the potential returns from investing in the future workers, and the political costs to letting said workers die because they sometimes get violently angry about that.

>>105712714
The reasons to use AI are cope for sure

>>105713700
>using google is cope
stfu retard

AI is the perfect midwit, so midwits are directly threatened by it

>>105713731
>ChatGPT currently has an IQ of 155

>>105713579
Exactly. The only way out of this would be to stop them now, but they already thought of this in advance and tricked boomers and rednecks into shilling for their interests. We're likely all fucked imo.
I expect to see at least half of humanity die off as a direct result of AI. By the time things get bad enough for westerners to realize they need to fight back, the killer robot dogs and automatic AI tracking systems will already be in place and it will be too late.
These people have made it very clear that they are not planning UBI, they are not looking to help us through this transition at all. They're currently removing all the government agencies and protections that might have helped us live through this because they want most of us to die off. I think they're hoping for some disease to handle most of us, potentially WW3 as well.
Oh well. It was a nice run. We really did have it pretty good, didn't we?
>>105713731
See? Just pure sociopathy. Imagine thinking most of humanity deserves to die for not being stupid enough to be good slaves or rich enough to benefit from AI. We're cooked with these evil people in charge and their brain dead cult of dupes.

>>105713757
The fear mongering is not very convincing, maybe refine your argument using AI.

>>105713282
>There are only 3 groups of people in regards to their opinions on AI
My opinion doesn't fit into any of your options.

>>105712620 (OP)
only brown people use AI

>>105714415
Only chinks use the internet.

>>105712620 (OP)
the top 0.1% should say "AI is useful for controlling the stupid"

>>105714506
Do you thinks books are useful for controlling people? Minus the Bible.

>>105712620 (OP)
I don't know about midwits but certainly artists. There are A LOT of artists on the internet. And every single one of them is scared shitless. And with good reason.

>>105712620 (OP)
>Mmm yummy yummy slop
retard

>>105714474
they have their own internet
as for indians... you can see the current state of 4chan and other internet forums

>>105714789
Funny how pressed people get when AI outperforms their echo-chamber takes.

>>105714831
Ok slop piggy

>>105714843
Slop? AI doesn’t run on cope and projection like you.

>>105713716
Google was far more usable when they used simple algorithms for search, think PageRank
It's not happening golem, you'll either have to wear the cuck spy pendant or it won't learn from it's own feces and it'll be never rather than two more weeks
I'm not entirely convinced it'd learn anything from your conversations either as they are probably just as bland

>>105715193
>verbal diarrhoea
stfu retard

>>105712653
That was me in disguise. Congrats you're gay now get fucking owned.

>>105712620 (OP)
do you call everyone you dont like a midwit? is this kind of retarded namecalling just a way to say youre high iq, but without saying that exactly so people dont think youre a complete faggot?

>>105714557
Books aren't literally brainwashing boomers on social media with a constant deluge of absolute AI dogshit (fully politicized for your argumentative pleasures)

>>105712620 (OP)
Because AI is going to evaporate the unexceptional. The very dumb were never involved. To them, it's just cool... because it is. To the very smart, they're (maybe arrogantly) confident that they won't be negatively impacted in the culling of the mediocre -- they might even benefit. For those closer to average... yeah, it genuinely does suck for them.

>>105712620 (OP)
This chart is inverted. Dimwits don’t trust AI, big brains know its limitations and how limited in use it therefore is. The advocates are midwit incels who are banking on robot girlfriends and jeets banking on getting paid to tell a machine to do their job for them.

I don't get much use out of AI other than cooming to LLM-generated text with a picture of anime tits attached. It will be a really long time before it gets a better and more ubiquitous usecase

>>105713170
>AI is shit or useless
When the marketing language is that AI can do the work of humans then people expect it to do so accurately. My calculator doesn't get the math problems wrong, ever. AI getting basic shit wrong means it's a shitty, incomplete product. AI art generators being incapable of doing certain things without extensive tweaking makes them shitty, incomplete products, too. Low-IQ people are impressed with AI because they think they can have conversations with it and love gooning to AI porn, High-IQ people are impressed with AI because it's a legitimately amazing technological advancement, but midwits that just wanna do work and go home to their families are frustrated by it because it's nothing but shitty, incomplete products that they are likely being forced to use at work.

>>105712620 (OP)
AI has started trying to gaslight me reasons why its incoherent hallucinations are in-fact correct instead of just correcting itself. you can get that here for free and it takes WAY less electricity to do so.

Notice how it's always midwits that seethe about AI.

>>105712620 (OP)
AI will turn us from a society of production and consumption into only consumption, and I don't think that society can survive

>>105712814
>If mass layoffs happen due to AI, where are the laid off workers supposed to go?
rebellion, probably. and i dont mean an organized act of rebellion against a government but, disenfranchised individual carrying out acts of violence against corperations. Security sector should boom. Lay off that many people not just for foreign pajeets but for AI? Yeah, you're gonna have a lot of people assmad that you care more about maximizing profit margins than being a decent business that doesn't fuck domestic workers over

>>105716248
Buddha did.

>>105712814
Americans are already at the end of their rope, mentally. We have so many mass shootings, and that's without massive AI-based layoffs. The people in this country have so many guns and the government and corporations would remember that very, very quickly if so many people get laid off.

>>105716245
I think the midwits are right but some of their takes are braindead karl marx tier.
I'm just worried that, if robots can do everything we can then there will be nothing to work for, and humans aren't evolved to handle that well.
>>105716254
i aint indian, so da buddha can swallow my nuts

>>105712620 (OP)
Generally for me there are two things - the way that AI companies get away with more, and the way in which things AI produce feel rather insulting to those who put the work into their creative pursuits.

I don't really care if people want to use it - but the companies themselves get away with so much, while organisations like IA that care about netizens get screwed over constantly.
These companies have stolen from everyone - and we did not get a penny from it.
Their products are being used to spam slop everywhere, resulting in the internet becoming worse to find info.

To me the AI gen art fags are retarded and the biggest cause of disdain towards AI. They really fail to understand that the artistic process of creating a piece is where the joy comes from. The final piece is primarily good to look at because of how much time and skill went into it. Everyone who does art looks at another piece someone made with the knowledge that it took time and a lot of practice to create. By skipping that process and focusing purely on the final product you are just lessening the joy of being creative. I just don't get why you would want to do that.

Generally I think people just don't want to see things that another human didn't make. At least use tools to improve your creative outputs - but don't rely on it as the primary bulk of the work.

>>105713282
>AI can already do some of the best art there is
You baited too hard too soon.

>>105716254
That's not Buddha, that's a frog.

>>105712620 (OP)
>AI chatbots applied to customer service/support
I dare say even a fucking jeet is better than dealing with a machine that doesn't understand what the fuck I'm asking for, especially if it deviates from their preassigned Q&A list.
>AI searching
Hallucinates shit too often for me to trust it, I can only use an AI search result as a guide for more, real searches.
>AI coding
Cool for rubberducking, basic questions about the language itself, and boilerplate code, otherwise see above.
>AI images (SFW)
I've seen so much of it I can tell at first glance whether it's AI-made, and I've seen it used for scams and low-effort crap so much that seeing it used in ads for legitimate products actively discourage me from considering a purchase.
>AI videos
See above. Can produce funny memes tho.
>AI art (NSFW)
Good shit, this is pretty much the one type of modern AI I actually like. You can tell the passion behind training and developing those models by the coommunity. The only problem is that it tends to get samey once certain models become too popular, until the tech evolves or another model starts gaining popularity.
>AI speech
Sort of a novelty, I don't see any usecase for it that doesn't involve the other types of AI. It's overuse on internet shorts and ads pisses me off too.
>"AI" anything applied to different types of jobs
It really depends on where and how it's applied. Modern XRay analysis has apparently improved a lot thanks to "AI" for instance. Most of what we call "AI" though is just Machine Learning under a marketing term.

Both unqualified and qualified people will lose their jobs over this shit, more so the former than the latter, that's undeniable. My one concern is what will happen to the hordes of unemployed people already pissed off from suffering the modern urban hellscape. Like another anon said no one has implemented a UBI system to keep them from revolting yet.

>>105712814
are you a subscriber to the bullshit jobs theory? I am.
We already pay you to attend adult daycare & accomplish nothing. Whats *AI* gonna change?

>>105712620 (OP)
Your chart is wrong. Do you even know what a bell chart is?!? All the normies love AI. It's the outliers that hate it. Your chart is backwards.

Low IQ: AI gives generic answer
High IQ: AI gives good results if you give it clear instructions

>midwits
Oh… sorry anon, you don’t know do you…

>>105717712
we had the perfect balance in the late 90's/early 00's

>>105714415
That's the "percentage of consumers using chatgpt in select markets"
Aka the percentage of people from all people using any online AI service using chatgpt specifically.

Aka a complete nothingburger. Share percentage over population trends.

>>105712620 (OP)
Low IQ: AI gives good results if you give it clear instructions
Midwit: e+mc=ai
High IQ: AI is a bubble and I use it to scam people.

>>105717911
It's not really a "bubble" in the sense it will have ongoing usability as a tool in the future that will likely improve further. The question (for midwits) is just about it being another dumb gold rush to use it for anything and everything in the hopes they'll strike it rich despite not having any idea what they're doing or what to use it for.

As an entrepreneur, I find it vastly useful for helping with internal tooling and other stuff *I already know how to do*. e.g. it's retarded to say "ai please write me code cuz i can't do it myself", but it's been fantastic in streamlining processes to have it do things that I can confirm afterwards. Less like a "copilot" and more like an apprentice.

Here's one real-world example: I wanted to insert some quick 2D polygon shapes into a project I was working on and work with them programmatically. I didn't want to go full hog on Blender or googling other software packages trying to figure out export formats and reducing the dataset of complex 3D studios to my simple needs. I just wanted a collection of XY coordinate in a simple format based on shapes I could draw out easier with a pencil or mouse than inputting coords by hand and having to guess. So I had chatgpt (an older version, no less) whip me up a quick javascript+canvas applet to let me add in vertices in 2D space and join the linedefs between them and spit the results out in json. It's something I could have written myself, with all the extra features I wanted, in a few hours of F5ing and consulting js references for api names I'd forgotten. With AI it took like 5-10 minutes. And it's reliable because it's not some weird mysterious ai spaghetti code I'm inserting into my base like a cargo cultist, it's a separate tool with constrained, verifiable output.

I've had tons of examples like this and it's fun still thinking up new ways to use it. Like any apprentice, you still need to double-check their work and make sure they're not fucking up their wood joins. But the domains in which this tool is going to be usable will only increase in the future. This isn't going away when the "bubble" bursts, we now have the tool forever. All that's left is to use it responsibly (many people WILL be stupid and try to use it to fully jeetcode a project, and they will face the repercussions of that)

>>105712784
>>105712814
>>105713245
You guys are all retards
>>105713642
This anon sorta gets it
Uncl Ted actually wrote about it. The "elites" arent going to kill everyone in 99 scenarios out of 100. Let's say there are two scenarios, Scenario A, where AI becomes omnipotent to the point where it wouldnt even need the smartest human, and is able to sufficiently interface with the real world. In this scenario it doesnt matter if you're "elite" or not, the AI will decide if you live or die.
In scenario B, this does not happen, and AI is smart but humans are still needed for whatever reason (creativity, original content, actually causing things to happen in the real world). Scenario B might cause scenario A to happen eventually, but in scenario B the elites wont kill everyone off because they need people to do stuff the AI cant. More people is always good because who becomes compent is RNG sometimes, and you need more people to produce more 1% genuis prodigies, or to just populate and maintain the AI space colonies. Anyone who has played grand strategy games knows this. Besides, as Unce Ted famously said, it would be easier and more palatible to simply distract the masses with bread and circuses rather than shoot them all. Even the eugenics and birth control part of it is more or less optional. The low IQ masses will live in VR worlds, midwits will be given do-nothing jobs, and the smartest will get to contribute to helping humanity expand. All of this is unironically a good thing because I would rather have immortal fully automated space colonies than retard idiocracy where everyone just has a cocaine floyd riot whenever they get mad they're not invited to the space colonies
>>105716863
ding ding ding someone gets it

>>105718411
Pretty sure the homosex relationships of yore didn't primarily revolve around pretty boy twinks.

>>105712620 (OP)
I don't like AI because using it would suck the joy out of living. I don't need to program, I don't need to paint, I don't need to make music, I don't need to think about writing my thoughts down. All of that so I can save time... but for what exactly?

Test

Idgi
Says range banned while posting from lappy, but from phone, it's werks
Both are set to clear on exit

>>105712620 (OP)
But there is no AI to seethe at, yet.
And no, your meme text generator isn't AI, it's just predicting the next token. There is no intelligence going on there.

Inaccurate picture. Low IQ people don't even know what AI is and aren't sure if they have ever used it.

>>105712620 (OP)
Midwit != middle of the bell curve
How is it that you middle of the bell curve types keep making this mistake?

>>105716178
>When the marketing language is that AI can do the work of humans then people expect it to do so accurately.
Did people learn nothing from the dotcom hype? Marketing is always overblown but that doesn't mean that AI isn't going to be hugely disruptive and useful in the long term.