The tech is dying.
What to do? How to reskill?

>>105716442 (OP)
I knew a pajeet wrote it before I even looked at the author. Fucking atrocious grammar.

learn2forklift

>>105716442 (OP)
Where are you from, OP?

>>105716442 (OP)
> fucking morons that don't know what a recession looks like: the thread
how is your permanent unemployment related to "technology"?

>>105717441
We can’t be in a recession troon, Donald J Trump is president

>>105717496
> orange pedophile becomes president
> stock market tanks
> unemployment rises
> no recession here, everyone!
communism truly is a disease of the mind

The solution is to import more indians on h1b visas so the tech industry can be competitive. The more indians we have on h1b visas, the stronger the tech industry, the more jobs for all!

>>105716442 (OP)
Be an electrician. It's the most /g/ trade job you can get or maybe a PLC technician. Most of the trades with "technician" at the end are tech oriented.

>>105716442 (OP)
Learn2AI but you won't do it because you need to learn real math only to read a fucking white paper.

Holy shit! why is this shit so hard?!

>>105716615
I actually looked at wages because of the meme. McD pays better.

>>105719081
I have a PhD in AI, can't find a job.
No, I'm not larping or trolling.

>>105720563
Should have gotten a phd in a real subject Like math or physics or CS.

>>105720563
Not sure why people even bother with PhDs outside a very narrow superminority of top-tier schools. Like, yeah, if you get a PhD in AI from the University of Kansas, Nowheresville, you're probably not going to get a job. From Berkeley or Stanford or MIT? You'll be employed before you even finish your dissertation. It's like wading into the world of credentialism with lead boots. Your PhD might not mean just nothing but less than nothing -- it might actively work against you.

>>105720625
AI as a domain didn't exist separately from cs when I got the degree so it is a "PhD in Cs in AI". Czeck m8.
>>105720660
I did my PhD in the top lab in the world.
But you are exactly right that in normal circumstances, employable PhDs only exist if you went to a top school and you are spot on about a PhD otherwise meaning literally less than nothing.
When I started the PhD, it was a guaranteed lead, manager or even director role at any company of my choosing. But then chatgpt happened and companies stopped wanting anything but fullstack devs to tie api's together and prompt engineer shit.
The thing is beside my PhD I also have very successful experience doing just that, throughout the entire sdlc, AND a research patent on tech to add a special kind of unlimited contextual memory and tool use which I got before chatgpt was a thing and is still applicable today.
But because I have a PhD I get dismissed. Actually even if I remove the PhD from my resume it doesn't get past filters so maybe it's for some other reason.

>>105720625
>real subject
>number games
>word games turned into number games
>a coding bootcamp
kekekkekek

>>105716442 (OP)
learn to prompt

dont live in Amerikkka, live in EVROPA

>>105721070
based and trvthpilled

>>105719017
>using inferior/inappropriate tools and equipment because employer is cheap
>no training because employer is cheap and coworkers hate younger coworkers
>work rushed because employer is cheap
>forced to do unsafe shit because see above
>seen as expendable due to low wage competition
>coworkers all depressed backstabbing alcoholics who hoarde knowledge to make themself valuable

>t. was electrical tech before pivoting to software dev.

>>105720760
Most fundamental LLM principles originate from data science which is separate from CS (electives with less rigor exist, but are not as exhaustive as their respective program) what's the name of the patent ? show credentials or kys.

>>105721229
all of llm shit comes from deep learning, 0 to do with pajeet science whatsoever. No I will not dox myself but please bring your iq above thr single digits range before your next post and don't try to shitpost stuff at people who invented highly cited precursors to this tech next time.

The real job (but you do it for free) is being a janny that cleans up the AI hallucinations.

>>105717550
this. this so much. we love our indian h1b scammers dont we folks? they say india has an average iq in the 70s, but we know thats not true because they run our tech industry so well with incredibly massive data breaches every other week

>>105720760
Maybe it's as simple and human as entrenched decisionmakers feeling threatened? I think there exists a romanticized notion of tech looking for the smartest people, but I'm not sure that's the case anymore. The moneymen are injected at every possible level, and maybe your resume doesn't signal Value For The Stakeholders in big, bold letters. But yeah, failing to even get past HR filters seems like it suggests something else might be happening.

>>105716442 (OP)
It’s funny because I saw an article that after Microsoft did a massive layoff 2 months ago they open like 2,000 position for h1b visa holders. Tech isn’t dying your being replaced.

>oh, my name? I'm Dr. STAKEHOLDERS, Value F.

>>105721343
Yes, it could be various things. A possible explanation is that since they are now looking for fullstack devs to api-bash stuff, they put premiums on t1 tech unis like berkley and mit, which are resp. t2 and t4 in AI, while disregarsing t1 AI labs like courrant, uoft, mila and schmidhuber's lab, which are basically t5 in tech. That would just be the same credetialist stuff as before but looking at a different set of tech workers despite thr AI moniker.

>>105721451
resp t4 and t2*

>>105720563
What school has a PhD program for AI?

>>105716442 (OP)
for me the most interesting thing about it is what are people in their late 20s and 30s and 40s who had many years of being comparatively overpaid going to do when they have to go into the real workforce instead of being a FAGMAN? they are going to either take a large drop in salary and have a low to normal status job or else act with defiance and stay unemployed and run their savings dry or live of their spouse.
if you believe the things said, along the line that these people were the best and brightest, them getting 6 months severance and having stock and savings should lead to a boom in enterprise from them as they put their great intellect to use with their great network of like minded business whizzes.
i can't wait to see a new tech business goldrush from these 30,000 people made redundant in the last year from FAGMAN. they have the means to change the world and i'm sure they are doing so at the moment, at their expensive kitchen tables and overpriced co-work spaces.

>>105721634
A few just started offering that. CMU has an AIE program for example.

>>105721660
I worked at m$ for a year. Not a single.competent person there. Alao who the fuck gets 6m severance? CEOs?

>>105721724
You're telling me you were the only competent man at Microsoft ?

>>105722178
Pretty much, yes. If there were any others they were too busy playing politics to show it. It's why I quit after a year, 0 growth or learning, just teaching leads their job all day (as a junior).

>>105722211
What an incredible tale my friend.

>>105722178
I have to use Microsoft software daily at work.
I 100% believe that man.

>>105717550
Genius! You must have an ivy league MBA to come up with such glorious solutions!

>>105716615
>>105720554
They make ~100k at costco

>>105723655
100k in USA? or in UK? in USA that is barely minimum wage

>>105721660
>of being comparatively overpaid
The vast, vast majority of tech employees are not overpaid. The vast majority of the COUNTRY is horrendously underpaid, though.

>>105720563
I remember reading on 4chan only 40% of PhD people work in their fields.
Hey, at least you didn't get a PhD in humanities unlike some...

>>105716442 (OP)
>How to reskill?
for the third time in my career, tech is flooded by socially adept but technically incompetent people who are in it for the money. management, who gatekeeps my access to employment, now has to weed out these retards in order to tempt me off the sidelines and back into the game, but for now i'm enjoying playing the market and watching them flounder. oh and i'm going to need a giant raise

heh

>>105716442 (OP)
Tech isn't dying, these companies literally had thousands of people who literally only came to the office every day and did absolutely zero work to no manager in no project.
These companies literally have so much money and are spread so thin, they'd rather hire a whole team for every single project they do than move inside the company existing people, and when the project is either canned or ends, they're not reassigned to a new position, so they just go to the office, walk around all day among the thousands of employees and use the building's cafeterias to eat since they're a lot cheaper than making your own meals or going to a nearby bar.

>>105720563
>>105720660
If you really had done a PhD, then We both know PhDs are just there to reinforce your supervisors research (or moreover the direction all his other PhDs went that were exploited by you supervisor) even if it's completely wrong and fake. That's your only purpose. You become a member of his faction of numbers to game the field he is in, not much else. That's why you do a PhD, namely to join a cultush sect available to you as youbgeaduate and tried to find work to get paid. Not much else. So apply the obvious moral flexibility and smarts resulting from that experience potentially lying for pay and flex into what comes next. Shitd not linear in this world.

>>105716442 (OP)
It's just part of the cycle. Downsizing makes shareholders clap their hands and stock price go up.
Best to never put much trust into publicly traded slop.

>>105723862
probably would have better job prospects if I did lmao

>>105723655
Try 40k

>>105723262
Thank you. I am very proud of it. Maybe I'll even frame it.

>>105717537
>> stock market tanks
Might want to take a look at the S&P 500. I understand what you were trying to say, but that talking point is at least 2 months out of date.

>>105723998
Take your meds

>>105720660
Academics all around are do nothing nepo retards. All a degree means is you bought your authority not earned it.

>>105724488
Take your meds

>>105724511
>T. Balding pot bellied academic desperately trying to salvage some authority

>>105724542
Take your meds

>>105724488
You have to pass the classes too ya know. Maybe you don't know, you don't seem like you would.

>>105724376
maybe in convenience stores and warehouses you would

>>105724705
And yet multiple scandals have been uncovered with rich nepo babies literally paying for degrees. If you can’t just buy a degree then you take on a bunch of debt and have chat GPT guarantee your grades Kek.

>>105724676
Academia is a failed institution Doctah. Sorry not sorry.

>>105724748
Things like translation, policy, writing, etc. I tried applying to some.of those, having extensive experience in technical writing both due to the degree but also professionally. Can't get an interview though.

>>105724705
What have classes to do with anything? A PhD requires contributing results that push the state of the art. Almost all programs require 1st author peer reviewed publications, the others require work judged as equivalent by the jury. The jury is composed of at least a dean's rep, your profs, an internal rep not part of your labs with no previous relations, and an external (likewise).

To become a prof requires getting a position within 7 years of getting the degree and is flooded with 300-500 applications for every position of top applicants. It requires at least 1 year of postdocs, but the average successful applicant has 4. Getting a poatdoc requires getting your first postdoc within 3 yeara of getting your degree. Every postdoc is flooded with applications at a rate typicaly exceeding 500:1 even at noname labs. Currently, between steongly reduced funding and a bad job market pushing people back into academia, it's 100x worse.
You cannot get a postdoc without at least one first author publication at a top journal during the PhD. Having 8 publications including 3 at top venues, 2 of which wwre first author but that was all before the PhD? Into the trash it goes. If you can't get a publication out during your first year of postdoc, you don't get a second year and will not be able to get a faculty position.
It's extremely xommon for people to work themselves to death on this path since 16 or 18 and still end up being permanently barred from academia after the PhD..
Also, if you ecer dare get a job to make ends meet you're basically out because "you sold out". Meanwhile academia pays less than minimum wage until 5 years into a faculty position.

>>105716442 (OP)
>The tech is dying.
"coders" are dying
ther are a lot of tech jobs that are needed and are growing.
basic level 1 & 2 onsite tech support is in high demand and pays decently.
network engineers are needed everywhere and companies are paying a premium for them.
IT architects can find jobs everywhere.
container architects that do docker/kubernetes etc are somewhat common but still relatively needed.

>>105724977
also forgot storage.
things like building a san and finding good storage solutions is super fucking lacking in the industry.
just push it to the cloud or putting up some nas devices isnt good enough.

>>105724977
tech support has not been a thing outsise india in 20 years and helldesk is more dead than dev jobs lmao
meds now

>>105724977
worst b8 in history. This isn't 1995, gramps.

>>105724971
>Oh actually I worked so much harder than the peasants to obtain all this knowledge, I’m hecking educated and contributing so much trust me you’re the loser here
Like I said, do nothing nepo retards.

>>105725121
Nice self-contradiction. Smelling like sour grapes like you dropped out of hs.

>>105725202
Smells like I make money while retards sit around wondering why no one cares about their amazing discovery of a based gene (which I have)

>>105725015
Nobody who calls a help desk line and gets a jeet accent is happy. Companies have noticed this, and outside of big out of touch retards they're all using domestic services or running their own by using college students.

>>105725121
Baiting or actually retarded.
But I will give you that degrees mean far less these days in hiring process than they used to.

>>105716615
Forklift or bus/truck certification is currently my biggest career aspiration, but I never worked such jobs so I don't know what the pitfalls are.
Mind you, I'd look into intercity bus companies and not city omnibus jobs. The latter are slightly better paid, but for a reason.

>>105725256
If you actually think someone is $500,000 smarter than anyone else because they paid $500,000 for a bachelors and MBA at an Ivy League, or $500,000 on an Ivy League PHD, or even $50,000 on a state college degree, you’re a fucking rube. People want to buy themselves wealth and status with a degree, it’s a bubble, and academia is a rotted institution.

>>105725472
I think the skills and knowledge obtained in a class environment has it's merits anon. If you want to completely discredit that's your prerogative, but I can't imagine why you would come to believe that without some emotionally driven trigger.

>>105725240
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>105725509
What skills and knowledge? Colleges, especially elite ones, market themselves often on the basis that the connections you make even are “the real value” because they expect their alumni to do the hard lifting since their curriculum can be taught from a textbook and a YouTube video. Trying to preserve the college education as a moat for job security is (one) of the many retarded moves the middle class is killing themselves with.

>>105724977
>"coders" are dying
Nonsense, they're replacing domestic employee coders with even more contracted foreign coders so they can game the reporting numbers and then blame "AI" for the on-the-books headcount reduction.

The exact same thing was happening ~20 years ago. Guaranteed, every company that's doing this right now will be in the shitter financially in the next decade to due brain drain and lack of internal innovation and accountability for their products. Ride the sucker wave in the next couple of years and then get your money out and make long term bets against them as they start the bleed out.

>>105725472
You are so rerarded that it hurts to read your diatribes. 2nd hand embarrassment but worse.

>>105725509
there are no classes per se in grad school

>>105725651
>rerarded
Uh oh, professor quick his thesis is debunked!

>>105725618
Have you ever been to a university anon? Or do you just think it's all liberal arts courses like someone told you it is?
Because I can't possibly imagine how you think there are no skills being taught, when that is the point of the bulk of your time at a university. Hell the bulk of your time is generally spent out of class researching on your own and working on projects. Sure like 80% of it is just filler garbage you'll never learn, but even that filler garbage trains some soft skills like communication which is highly important for the working world.

>>105725665
Surrender: accepted

>>105725703
filler garbage you'll never use*

>>105725703
>the bulk of your time is spent out of class researching your own and working on projects
Oh, so if you research and work on projects on your own that’s not learning, it only becomes learning if you spent 5 figures on it and 80% of the time was wasted on garbage. Not a strong argument!

>>105725659
I didn't do grad school, but from the people I do know that doesn't sound to be accurate. Or at the very least you may be looking at the definition of a class differently.

>>105725742
That isn't what was even said anon.
Why are trying to put words in others mouths over some silly little internet argument?
The bonus comes from the validity of it all, and the resources you have access to. Your entire argument was that there is no value in education, not that there is no value in education COMPARED to doing shit on your own.

>>105725775
No value in "higher" education I should say. Don't want to mischaracterize your words like you're doing to me.

>>105725753
In a typical master's program you'll have to take about 9 "classes" total, except they're seminars that end with a free-form project you typically tie to your research. You typically don't learn anything you didn't already know there either and this is done in parallel with the only thing you are really evaluates on: research (most schools give free A's for all grad "classes" and those represent less than 10% of earned credit anyway).
In a PhD it's even less, something like 3 classes. Same deal, they're not real classes, and they don't actually count for anything.
If anyone told you otherwise it was in the humanities or 100% larp. Not even in zimbabwe do they significanrly diverge from this formula. The main differences are how the thesis committee and jury proceed, whether you have a genralized evaluation before the predoc exam, if you do the predoc at the beginning or at the end, and how many papers you need to publish to graduate.

>>105725775
>>105725787
You literally said “most of it is doing stuff on your own” and “80% of it is filler garbage”.

Is a negative value really a value? You’re probably better off taking that 50k and using it as a down payment on a house to rent out to rich kids on campus who are going so they don’t have to get a job out of highschool. Much better value for your money there I think.

>>105725240
Anon, UPS just announced this week they're offshoring all tech support to India.

>>105720563
Indian?

>>105716442 (OP)
>What to do?
Go to India, the jobs are being sent there

>>105721220
I bet offices politics are better, huh?

>>105726732
Sorry to disappoint you but no, I am not one of your "people".

>>105717537
>communism
It'd be a solution. No one was unemployed in the Soviet Union.

How is it that shitty bait threads like this still catch so much attention?

>>105725373
Automated fork lift happening

>>105726991
only shitty bait here is your post though

>>105726946
ok, Ranjeet.

>>105716442 (OP)
Ehhh, it'll be back.

>>105722211
I could see this being more or less true honestly. When I look at products and updates coming from big tech it seems like they're just throwing shit at the wall and dicking with pointless change arounds. I've gotten the impression that it's like a new aristocratic class trying to cling to power.