Thread 105721031

What video game do the best/richest programmers play?

>>105721031 (OP)
Proof they all play Dota 2?

>>105721123
Most of "AI Research" started with machine learning on dota 2 matches, they even held a tournament of the best players in dota vs the AI, the ai beated them super easy

>>105721031 (OP)
more reasons to believe that AI is money laundering and a bubble?

>>105721031 (OP)
>implying i play on na servers

>>105721641
>money laundering
with a burn rate? lamao
otherwise i hear people can find uses for chatbots so its possible that the tech wont end up being a total loss

tried dota once. very boring.

>>105721139
source on THAT?
During TI2 until and including TI6 I worked at the TUM and IBM (Germany, lol) and was doing AI research. Not once (in integers: 1) time has anybody mentioned DotA2 professionally. No, not even, when OpenAI went to showcase their AI at TI...4?
So, please provide a credible source which one would use to cite in a scientific publication.
I strongly doubt, that your or the previous claim holds true.

why am I forced by my fellow retards to see this xwitter subhumans drivel? cut me some slack goddamit

>>105721031 (OP)
1: they don't care about tweets from indian people

>AI researchers love a moneygrubbing, half-assed copy of an original work
Shocking stuff.

>>105721031 (OP)
>block this nigger
>his useless posts still get shoved in your face on other websites

>>105721031 (OP)
And what of the LoL players?

>>105721031 (OP)
>Many people with computer jobs have played one of the most popular video games of all time
Holy shit, what a correlation! This guy must be a genius

>>105721652
>with a burn rate?
At the level of money they're moving? Yeah you need a high burn rate to avoid suspicion you fucking retard. We're talking tens of billions of dollars. This isn't your daddy's drug operation where you might see a couple million annually.

>>105721898
FUCKING THIS. I hate India.

>>105721031 (OP)
Oh shit . . .
https://g.co/gemini/share/620db6679759

>>105721139
>the ai beated them super easy
*BUZZER* WRONG
OAI Five had access to data that a real player wouldn't have. Call me when it operates on parsing audiovisual data instead.

>>105722102
they become youtube/twitch personalities
something about cyber-sports and and children

How do you even get into AI anyway? I see all these job postings for 3-5 years of AI learning, but this trend started only just recently. Where the hell do you even prove that

>>105722605
It’s mostly a scam. In the tech world, good positions are only created to make room for someone already selected for hire.

>>105721641
why do people insist on calling everything they don't like money laundering when they clearly have no understanding of what money laundering is

>>105722659
ah that explains a lot.

>>105722605
>How do you even get into AI anyway?

>>105722694
blackrock funding is legal money laundering

>>105721031 (OP)
yacine why you posting screenshots of yourself on 4chan?

Dota is just the best fucking game ever made, thank you Gabe Newell. I’ve played 15k hours of this game. A casual Dota match should replace golf in the office place.

>>105722746
I had more fun on team Fortress 2.

>>105722746
No that was League of Legends Season 1 to 3. Some may season till season 5.

>>105722764
That is because TF2 was about having fun, and the competitiveness was a rarity. I also had more fun in TF2.

>>105722605
"AI" really popped up massively in popularity again with the alexnet paper around 2012. Since then lots of work has been done at university research level and in some sense more advanced software companies. It entered mainstream vocab when Microsoft fired the gun on OpenAI. hat's all to say it's been happening but in the background

>I have already finished an entire PhD in deep learning and am working in the field now, but I see other people who have been in the game at least twice as long as me.

>researchers making 10m-100m
jesus i'm in the wrong business.
>>105722741
That pajeet has been doing it for over a year now

>>105722824
okay so all the ai positions is once again gatekept to those who went to the right schools. Got it.

>>105722786
Get fucked league tranny, no one cares about your retarded gimped boring MOBA

>>105722881
Listen, I played Dota All Stars, WC3, Dota 2, and LoL. Between them, LoL the early seasons was the best time for Moba.

>>105721031 (OP)
>or me
weird narcissist no one cares about you lmao

>>105722881
Dota was the one with trannies last I remember. You get fucked, faggot. (and yes i know trannies are all over League now, we're talking early Leeg)

>>105722851
Not necessarily, there are plenty of cases where people at non-big-name schools do impressive work and blow up from there. In my opinion, the bigger issue is the big compute and/or data requirements to do much of the cool work. I have seen efforts to try and put spotlights on researchers from developing nations, but you can be a genius but if your idea requires huge compute, then you are fucked.

>>105722728
@grok

summarize this gay shit i ain't reading it

>>105722909
>but you can be a genius but if your idea requires huge compute, then you are fucked.
Thats one of the getkeepings, yes. You also need a lot of training data, which you dont get access to unless youre near one of the big data companies. Which is why shit like Google can get away with it since they spent forever stealing data and now weaponized it.

>>105722920
tl;dr typical carmack autism spiel

there is nothing more obnoxious than /v/alve cum-guzzlers

>>105722908
Our trannies are artistic and fun, your trannies are tryhard demographic pandering. League is a shit game mode and that’s all there is to it, sorry anon. Dota is literally the best game ever made.

>>105723002
Youre only good now cause League killed itself with leftist demographics and chink infiltitration. Which sucks cause it was us westerners and non lgbt types that made leeg what it was until the chinks and liberals came in and destroyed everything good and wholesome. I really do miss early League.

>>105723002
>literal abandonware that does not get an update for a full year
lmfao

>>105723002
>Our trannies are artistic and fun
trannies are never any of those, tranny

>>105723021
It’s the perfect game, why would it need an update?

>>105723025
TA is very fun, you don’t know what her secret is!

>>105723059
>TA is very fun, you don’t know what her secret is!
yeah you can fuck off now

>>105721139
I have a PhD in that stuff from the best lab in the world.
Absolutely nobody ever cared about dota.
For game playijg it was Atari game collections and various ad-hoc platforms and physics simulators.
For everything else it wasn't games at all.

>>105722605
AI dates back over 50 years, retard. All this llm and diffusion stuff is just vanilla deep learning. Diffusions bring 95's tech into deep learning and is fairly novel, but llm's are just the same shit we were doing in 2013 but on bigger gpu's (allowing expanding the receptive field to cover the entire sequence), and later incremental addons.

>>105723059
game is in laughable state
there are probably more bots than players
and than more cheaters than genuine players
anyone shilling this shit is low iq moron

>>105722728
Lol. He's gloating about struggling into what amounts to a first class in an undergrad ml class's 3 lessons segment.

>>105722844
it's fake anyway. About 100 people in the world make about 1m a year to not jump on another company's boars and that's it. athe rest get paid less than fullstack devs.

>>105722851
Yes. I habe over 1k citations, a patent, 4 yoe and a phd and can barely find any jobs, beat I get is shitty meme.startups.

someone needs to find the factory that produces gullible <100iq get-rich-quick podcast nft mlm crypto alpha bro scamtards and drop a bunker buster on it

>>105723242
I know that, i was just highlighting how retarded his shitpost was.

>>105723204
Sounds like you need to get good, I don’t think I’ve seen a cheater in like 6 months, so if they really are that rampant they must suck dick.

>>105721031 (OP)
yacine is full of shit. He doesn't know any of the top AI researchers and he should spend his time looking for a job since he just got fired.

>>105721031 (OP)
I've worked at FAANG for more than ten years and all the best programmers I know don't play video games at all. Programming is their hobby and their job and they spend an absurd amount of time doing it. That's probably the biggest reason why they're better than the rest of us.

>>105721031 (OP)
I didn't know dota was this popular in china

>>105723421
speak for yourself. I have not seen a single.competent programmer when I was at a fagman for a year. In the industry, especially among actually competent people, it's usually accepted that anyone who's stayed at fagman for more than 2 years is tech illiterate and can't hello world.

>>105721641
AI is just jeets typing super fast.

>>105723445
>it's usually accepted that anyone who's stayed at fagman for more than 2 years is tech illiterate
This is highly dependent on what teams you're able to join. It's generally true of the Android, AdSense and customer facing website teams but it's definitely not true for people working on compilers, tooling or research teams. Also the average fagman employee is still way above the average programmer in general.

>>105723515
So I actually wanting to join fagman so I can be around smart programmers and learn from them. But because of the high filter rate and the hard LC assessments, someone from the south like me will never get a chance to be around that type of people ever. I know C++, I love doing tooling stuff, but since they use LC assessments on everyone to even be allowed to proceed with an interviewed, Ive been gatekept from ever joining any of those organizations. Which sucks because while others are there for the salary, I just want the experience.

>>105723515
I very strongly disagree on your opinion on the research and compiler teams.
I agree that the average programmer is a troglodyte, but in my experience that is exactly the kind that stays in these companies.

>>105723613
You definitely belong in fagman, being this profoundly dumb

>>105723795
thanks

>>105723515
I was at fagman for 8 years on cloud infra and ML infra teams. In retrospect, maybe my bar was too high, but only a few of my colleagues were really impressive. Mostly the ones who talked about knowing Ken Thompson in person. Probably the good ones were just quiet, not fitting into a corporate environment. I didn't reach beyond my team very much though.

>>105725340
I'd say your bar is pretty low, not too high.

>>105721031 (OP)
>Best/Richest
KYS

>>105721123
This is outdated, some of them play deadlock now

lol

>>105721031 (OP)
This guy (who is an Algerian or Tunisian immigrant to Canada) LARPed as Indian and got fired 10 days before his stocks vested.. apparently of a commitee which consisted of Indians

>>105722605
Time machine to before ChatGPT got popular

>>105721139
So, no proof, just your feeling that it's true.

>>105723149
>hey do you play dota?
>uuuuuuh... *picrel* no, of course not, vidya is for kids, I am an ADULT you know, haha

>>105721031 (OP)
im a new dota player and it's a great game. i like the complexity and depth.
i've heard LoL is way more streamlined than it but i wasnt able to try it because i'm using linux. so it seems like linux saved me from playing the weaker game kek

>>105731205
there's a good chance you will be bumping elbows with some of the top AI researchers making 10-100m dollars

>>105723002
>our trannies are better than your trannies
4chan discussion in anno domini 2025

>>105722605
nigga darpa has been funding ai research since the 60s and it's why lisp was created

>>105721031 (OP)
Yoomer here. What is Dota?

>>105722741
He lost his job so this is marketing to him.

>>105721716
OpenAI made a dota 2 AI long before ChatGPT.

lol

based

>>105722920
>>105722935
>>105722728
I only write like this when I'm on Ritalin. Are the top tech guys constantly high on stimulants?

>>105736942
that or a lot of soda or monster energy drinks it sounds like

>>105736975
nah soda doesn't do that to you, this motormouth endless autistic obsession over details with infinite patience for hours on an end is the hallmark of people on meth.

>>105737043
it's not meth. Carmack is just like that always. If he was on meth, he wouldnt be able to do what he did back then. Considering I use to be that kind of nerd who stayed up hours on the computer with pizza and soda, I know why he's like that. Some of us are just born with a sense of drilling into things.

>>105722605
bruh this shit started in like... when the fuck was AlexNet?
2012

>>105737075
>>105737075
yeah but it was only something researchers did at school. no one was using it in the professional world. and no, AI stuff like auto suggestions, completions is not AI. Nor in video games which only use the most sense of an AI for optimization reasons.

>>105722851
I went to a random ass state college for my bachelors in CS and work in a fortune 500 ai research lab
you didn't have to go to the right schools but you did have to have the right experience (research oriented) and the right timing (5+ years ago) lol

>>105737096
its funny that everyone wants an AI researcher, but this is literally a new thing. most devs never worked in it

>>105737092
AlexNet was the first time anyone proved that AI was economically viable for commercial use-cases. It's claim to fame is hotdog not-hotdog. Plenty of commercial applications in computer vision and basic classification alone.
A lot of research was being done towards fundamental optimization like transfer learning, meta-learning (hyperparameter optimization), and cloud platform lifecycle stuff.
Then transformers came along in 2017, and this was the architecture that could hypothetically scale to infinity. That's what brought the billions in.

Like with any industry, you have to get in before it's cool. That's just how it is. Sometimes following your passion is the right thing to do, and other times it isn't

>>105737070
>it' not meth it's mixed amphetamine salts

>>105721716
>TUM and IBM
>AI Research
I don't think you were doing AI

>>105721031 (OP)
I didn't know the top AI researchers were Peruvian

>>105721716
>AI Research in IBM Germany
Zurich lab? I never got to talk to you guys very often

ill learn any math if i thought itd get me that amount but i know better.

>>105722728
This guy burns the rice btw

>>105721031 (OP)
I had an interview with a boomer (actually I think he was Gen X) last week and he mentioned Roblox is a really good educational tool, and that caught me more off guard than the actual interview questions.

>>105723259
Are you for real? That's insane, I'm glad I gave up my software engineering ambitions like 10 years ago.

>>105723445
>anyone who's stayed at fagman for more than 2 years is tech illiterate
...huh? Where are you supposed to go from there? Join a startup and hope you strike it big?

>>105721031 (OP)
DARPA has been researching AI since the 1970s. These "top AI researchers" were no doubt handed a huge codebase from some TLA and their "research" is just hitting run while playing Dota 2.

>>105721031 (OP)
You guys in the programming industry ever know anyone like these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4jI1qpNu9E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5S5WArKO7M

Or are you on the spectrum too? I get a feeling like almost all "really good" programmers are on the spectrum maybe but most still act mostly normal. I dunno though what do you guys think?

>>105740780
what is fagman? I am one of these AI "programmers". Its all a scam. We use our own AI tools to build upon it. We are just literally scraping the data from the internet now and pushing it in.

>>105740804
Yup. Just try and find anything about what an AI "researcher" does, or like how they "develop" AI. What code are they using? Like anything, I just wanna see their fucking screens as they work. Because I know for a fact its just clicking a button.

>>105721672
Yeah. I tried it too, stopped after like 30mins. My brother was into world of warcraft, always tried to get me to play. Tried it once, quit within 30 or so mins. I was like "Dude wtf is this retarded boring nonsense?" I don't even play games anymore but when I did I like Starcraft, command and conquer, call of duty black ops (NUKE TOWN!), GTA 5 (mainly just raced cars). Also really like this rare game on the computer i got called 7 kingdoms. Anyways but yeah dota is boring

>>105740780
>he mentioned Roblox is a really good educational tool
He's a pedophile.

>>105731205
turn back now before it's too late
even the strongest minds break eventually when playing dota

>>105738923
Start with learning english.

lol

>>105721139
no it was only mid lane. ai needed a handicap like that because three lanes was too much data to train in. the StarCraft 1v1 AI however...