AI vibe coding is now enforced at Microsoft.

>It's just a fad, bro

https://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-internal-memo-using-ai-no-longer-optional-github-copilot-2025-6

>>105737118 (OP)
that's the only way for their new Indian employees to produce working code.

>>105737118 (OP)
>his OS is written by pajeetAI
Loving every laugh saars!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44404067

>>105737118 (OP)
Dunno just recently tried agentic mode for Claude 4 Sonnet thinking, I just needed an AWS lambda function in typescript, for which I wrote a fairly detailed requirements doc (this is how I usually work anyways), and let AI have a go at it, and the code it built was hot garbage.

>>105737317
from my experience, bad code is the result of bad prompts. Prompt engineering is harder than programming; the mediocre programmers better stay pure programmers.

>>105737317
Yeah, but you don't have millions of git repos at your hands to train the AI, plus the gargantuan codebase windows has already.

>>105737118 (OP)
It’s the only way they can show growth in their AI sector. It’s still just investor relations all the way down.

>>105737418
>Prompt engineering is harder than programming
that's a funny way of admitting it's the wrong and stupid way to do something

I don't understand how this can be sustained. Of course AI will be integrated into everything and we'll have to adapt. Sure the more you know about programming, problem solving or even the soft skill to understand context, limitations, reviewing the answers and so on, the better your prompts. But then are we really so marginally different from each other in writing prompts? I see no ground for the companies to stand on and say "we work with the best people, we deliver excelent products". Are they going to say "our guys write prompt better than yours?". Doesn't have the same ring to it. How do you even qualify something like that?

Still not using it.

>>105737418
Deep knowledge of prompts is going to be required soon, I almost feel bad for the 'I dream in code' nerds, I dream in prompts.

>>105737475
People that will harness the power of AI will become the new kings of this world.

>>105737118 (OP)
AI is literally Star Trek technology, the are people scared of it, they loved every other startrek innovation.

Vibe coding is literally how people program in startrek.

>literally have to be forced to use it by your boss
sounds like great software

how much longer are people making excuses to keep buying nvidia gpus? when are they gonna wake up and go "hey i refuse to buy this closed source shit anymore"

>>105737118 (OP)
>>It's just a fad, bro
if the tools were so great, they wouldn't need to threaten their own employees into using them. microshit is heavily invested in AI, if their own people don't want to use the shit they provide for free, it's obviously hopeless to get other people to pay for those tools. i guarantee you this move came after some executive meeting where they were pouting about poor sales/return on their AI shit and so they looked at their own internal usage stats to see what was the most successful and then noticed their people were barely using and of them

>>105737317
idk what your requirements were but a simple lambda function is exactly what it can do fine right now
on the other hand once the codebase grows a little bit and you have to start referencing tons of files and some things are too spread out or w/e it really shits the bed
cant imagine for example developing kernel features with this or some OS, it's probably absurd if you try to vibe code in huge repos

>>105737502
yeah this is the new dhalit dream

>>105737732
are you never tired of always coping this hard?

>>105737732
>then noticed their people were barely using and of them
absolutely hilariously optimistic, jeetcode was already basically held together by markov chains

>>105737777
it's objectively a bad sign if a company has to beg their people to "eat their own dogfood"

i will change my attitude on AI code helpers when they start bringing me value. just a few days ago I gave them another shot since i had to fuck around with some docker shit i don't normally have to touch. in the three hours I worked on it, AI sent me at least 3 times down debugging rabbitholes because it was just being retarded. the stuff it actually helped with was setting up some boiler plate, which I easily could've googled an example for instead. when AI starts actually feeling like something intelligent and helpful versus just a slightly better version of internet search, then i'll change my tune on it

>copilot, please take my code and made it as many kloc as possible

>train our AI for free.. OR ELSE

>>105737118 (OP)
I only use visual programming languages nowadays. I'm now actually smarter than codemonkeys since you can't just generate visual code like you can text.

>>105737118 (OP)
>making your programing worse isn't optional anymore
Why.

>>105737118 (OP)
Like a dream come true

>>105737932
>why
Because meritocracy is back bro we won

>>105737118 (OP)
Every time I have ever tried to vibe code, I have had to replace the entirety of what it shit out because its either inefficient or just bad.

>>105737118 (OP)
fucking hate this "AI" meta in society
it hasnt improved anything. whats the point of producing more if the result is shit? art, code, general knowledge its always full of errors and you obviously tell its AI

fuck this shit

>>105738227
yeah it is so bad that google, microsoft, cloudflare, meta, ... are all using it for everything now. the problem here is definitively not you.

>>105738256
Cope harder, I wonder why the companies with a vested interest in it succeeding are claiming it is being used for everything...
Literal cattle with room temperature IQ you

>>105738279
cloudflare has no interest.
https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-oauth-provider/
read the last part of the readme.
you are missing the ai revolution.

>>105738289
The day this bubble bursts I will laugh so hard

>>105738289
>To emphasize, this is not "vibe coded". Every line was thoroughly reviewed and cross-referenced with relevant RFCs, by security experts with previous experience with those RFCs. I was trying to validate my skepticism. I ended up proving myself wrong.
do these people prefer to read code instead of writting? i see no advantage in reviewing every single loc instead of writting it.
are peoples brain this lazy? you guys dont like to think and solve problems?

I left my last job over this, the CTO met with me and my team and literally told us to start using Copilot and GPT.

Software As A Saarvice

>>105738331
>tfw my wage cage is making us all use cursor
Can’t make me actually use the prompting trash as far as I’m aware so I just turned most of it off except for the ocasional “why the fuck is this test failing”

I used chtgpt for my HTML homework and it came out perfect.

>>105738299
two more weeks, bro

>>105738369
The best part is that my work has been panic emailing me for help since I left

>>105738256
>yeah it is so bad that google, microsoft, cloudflare, meta, ... are all using it for everything now
Nigga the point of the article is that Microsoft has to FORCE it's employees to use it. Imagine if you were a landscaper and your boss decided one day you have to use a beard trimmer to cut the grass instead of a lawn mower because it was "newer' technology.

>>105738438
Kek classic. Don’t help them unless you can get it written into your contract that (a) you get a 300% raise and (b) any tooling the company uses is considered “recommended” to you and not “required”

>>105737513
kek
>saar it is de future, pls do the needful
>ranjesh is producing 10k lines of code per day pls understand saar

I can see the ads
>CoPilot.
>You WILL use it.

>>105737970
>COPILOT, MAKE THE CODE WORK!!
>FOR THE LAST TIME, COPILOT, I AM WARNING YOU!!!
>COPILOT, YOU MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

>>105738299
nah, I think it will just slowly fizzle out.

>>105737118 (OP)
Look, I'm never a first adopter of anything. Show me something useful and endearing about AI and I'll eventually consider using it.
But I'm not wearing a robe to join some retarded singularity agi religion. I'm just not.

>>105738289
>some corporate suck-up golem vibe codes some shit to prove a point
>it's shit
>dumps it on real devs
>they fix it
>claims he made it with AI

>>105738802
https://github.com/DivergentAI/dreamGPT

Hallucinations are the creative part of the ai.

>>105737118 (OP)
Despite the fact that the AI is retarded and braindead, it will probably still be an upgrade over pure Pajeet programming.

>>105737118 (OP)
A million jeets typing at AI prompts will make windows great again sir

>>105738612
Most I've done is tell them where to find stuff on their own infrastructure, my longest email was a sentence in the discussion

>>105737118 (OP)
They are exchanging efficiency and efficacy, which is already some of their greatest weaknesses, for a production speed that cannot be called productivity.

>>105737118 (OP)
Microsoft used to enforce their insanely shitty VCS tool too.

>>105737815
>it's objectively a bad sign if a company has to beg their people to "eat their own dogfood"
Except this is literally how it has always worked at Microsoft.

>>105737498
Aider and the llama vim plugin with a local model like qwen can actually be nice sometimes.

They are forcing their employees to train their models. Is not people taking advantage of the tool, is the other way around.

One GNUKE from Iran into Microsoft Tel-Aviv HQ was not enough.

>>105739211
>GNUKE
kek

>>105738227
I vibecoded some svg generating features for my quant bot. The code was garbage but I didn't care because it wasn't important.

>>105737118 (OP)
Funny, my company banned it almost entirely. If you want to use an AI tool it has to go through strenuous validation by security and it's only allowed on our air gapped dev network.

>>105739260
My last company was like this, my current company only allows copilot.

I wish people weren't so retarded with this stuff and I could just use the llama.cpp setup I'm used to at home.

>>105737118 (OP)
>Guys, use our AI tools or the shareholders are going to fire us. We invested too much money into the AI tools. Who cares if it works.

>>105737118 (OP)
AI is a Trojan horse. It’s not artificial intelligence in the computing concept, it’s “Actually Indians” they have literal artificial intelligence. They weren’t wrong in that sense.

And if you think this is wrong, need I remind you all that amazon’s autonomous supermarket and builder AI (funded by Microsoft) turned out to be Indians behind a screen. Think about it /g/, when they say AI will replace you, they mean Indians

>>105737118 (OP)
Microsoft is full of jeets, so the vibe code is probably a major improvement.

>>105739380
You can download Qwen, Gemma, and Llama to run yourself and see it's not a mechanical turk.

>>105739395
>You can download Qwen, Gemma, and Llama to run yourself and see it's not a mechanical turk.
I’m saying what they’re replacing humans with won’t be ML models and frameworks

>>105737118 (OP)
I'm not a programmer, but all three of my attempts to use Copilot in Microsoft Word give me the impression that this is going to result in a total clusterfuck lmao

>>105737118 (OP)
my team is running the company copilot pilot for reviews and and code support.
half the stuff it suggests in reviews is wrong, another quarter is inane. maybe 10% of the suggestions are useful.
the only real selling point is that it has perfect attention, but it's still retarded

>>105739511
My problem is that it just doesn't know the codebase.

>>105739538
that's half of the problem it faces for us, the codebase is split across a couple hundred git repos already with some as old as 30 years, they aren't gonna get merged together ever so copilot can only really make guesses on the one or two files it can see

>>105737492
>How do you even qualify something like that?
Profit, retard.

>>105737317
Learn to prompt. AI can never fail. AI can only be failed. If you got bad output from the AI then you are not engaging with it correctly. End of story.

>>105739627
found the guy who’s never had to solve a problem that can’t be found on stackoverflow

>>105737418
>>105739627
This. So. Much. This. If you can't prompt, it's over for you. Prompt engineers are now the topdogs of the game, they are THE engineers. Can't prompt? Bad outputs? "Hallucinations?" You're just bad at the job, period. I write prompts that make new compilers from scratch, invent new universes, game engines, operating systems and simulations. And you do what? Cry in PR to @copilot that it doesn't do something right. Uhhhhhhhg! Disgusting swines. Hope the management takes the proper actions against the code monkeys and boot them out as DEPRECATED and OBSOLETE.

>>105738289
read the issues section
>Every line was thoroughly reviewed and cross-referenced with relevant RFCs, by security experts with previous experience with those RFCs
couldn't even get the Basic Auth right, kek

>>105739771
>operating systems
Right. Like the LoopArchitect guy from a couple of days ago?

>>105740006
I wonder how far claude could get writing a little real mode os.

>>105740026
Probably as far as dumping DOS source code verbatim.

>>105737118 (OP)
ai is a tool and a powerful one
if employees don't learn to use the best tools available they have no place in the industry
>>105739260
your company is ngmi

>>105737418
From my experience handling autistic team members, some devs struggle to explain their own ideas and understand basic business rules. These same devs will have a hard time to get anything of value being done by any AI.
TLDR there is no right answers for wrong question

>>105740640
Nigger, just learn to program and then you won't have to shill "AI" so much.

>>105737118 (OP)
no wonder windows 11 is so shit, on the other hand it's probably better poopjeet code

>>105737118 (OP)
Microsoft is ultimately going to kill the only viable non-Unix derived operating system, forcing the entire world onto unixslop.

>>105737492
>we'll have to adapt
this is why this world keeps falling into oblivion. you guys never care about your shit and you're telling everyone to be forced into your shitty environment. and then you wonder why ted kaczynski is proven right everytime. you guys are slaves to this shit. kill yourself you faggot.

>>105737118 (OP)
the ai is a plagiarism tool
they fire any employee not willing to use the plagiarism tool; aka the only ones producing original work
there is now no source of data to train the plagiariser from

lmao

>>105737469
companies are still answerable to their customers, but the defn of customer changed from consumer to investor

i bet they have all the classic hallmarks of client/business relationships now; including an advertising budget lmao

>>105737317
it's really hit or miss, especially if you want something to work in a certain way, then it's mostly miss

i'm sure this will make windows more stable

>>105737118 (OP)
I don't even understand whats going on anymore. Windows 10 was a downgrade from 7 and 11 pushes even more garbage. The start menu is react, search hits bing instead of local files at a severe delay. TPM2.0 forces you to buy slop hardware just to run the thing with an extra Copilot button and AI chip next to it. Ads everywhere, rent seeking everywhere, recall literally spies on you. EU drops Microsoft, desktop users start to drop Windows, even Valve is tired of it and linux marginally starts to outperform it in games. Clicking a cell in Excel has a 3 second lag because it just really has to display a Copilot button above the cell. VSCode and Github literally steal your code and inputs to train more ai. Best they can do is make employees give away their knowledge by training the ai with their prompts and workflows, so MS can replace them further down the line. I sincerely don't care how much MS engineers make, they are stupid for complying in a system that fucks them over and is a net negative for everyone using computers. Like at some point its just better to do nothing and go for a walk or some shit.

>>105737118 (OP)
if they have to enforce it... it meana by definition it's not useful enough for people to want to use it.

>>105742452
or people are too lazy to learn it or too afraid because it would change their work routine.

>>105739771
You should prompt yourself some sunlight! Nobody needs another OS or game engine or any of that retarded technology

>>105742450
Linux has always performed better than windows in game. It was always a linux user talking point that id tech games were often 40% faster and many games, especially older ones, 20%+ through wine than native on windows.

>>105737492
Dude you are doing agile wrong we should have another sprint review to align ourselves

>>105742463
Doesn't make sense. Thr basic state is nobody uses it. If it is useful, the first person to use it either works much less or does much more work in the same timeframe, thus getting promotions or nearly never working. It spreads like wildfire.
But that disn't happen. And companies have been mandating it for 1-2 years now, yet you only see mass layoffs and not mass hires. If it made devs more efficient, you would see mass hires and increased costs across the board for services. Instead consultancies are reducing their prices and nobody is posting outsized profit DESPITE layoffs meaning much lower costs and value bring already delivered by the timr of the layoffs. This means on balance significant losses.

>>105737418
The post I'm responding to seems like bait, but it isn't. Yes, prompt engineering has a bad reputation because pajeets love to throw it around along with the latest buzzword, however prompting is a skill. If you're incapable of explaining your ideas in a digestible manner (i.e. step by step) taking into account the limitations of this technology, you won't get anything out of LLMs. This will create a gap between you and people who use this with a background in programming. It's not surprising that some here can't even output a single method without having the SOTA models fuck up badly, while others can design a perfectly functional complex CI/CD pipeline and code within hours.

>>105739771
hahaha
omg what a fucking absolute retard
literally like the script kiddies in IRC back in the day "yeah im a 1337 h4x0r!" lmao
thanks for the laught, retard

>>105739771
>All of these buzzwords
Rope yourself.

>>105739771
trying too hard

>>105742566
Your argument is cyclical, you basically first need to understand the mechanics of programming and technology to phrase it in digestible steps to take and by doing so, you "reduce" the ai to autocomplete and dumb yourself down along the way. Do you see the mismatch in narratives? The ai is effectively bottlenecked by you and produces no original thought or understanding. You somehow take that into account and try to relay the flawed design, premise and responsibility back onto the user, despite subtly agreeing to the narrative that tries to paint a different picture. Why do I need an IDE or see code at all? Why do I need the concept of a CI/CD pipeline? Why is a background in programming needed? Doesn't that miss the mark? You literally dig yourself into a hole whenever you rely on something external, time and time again.

>>105737118 (OP)
M$OFT keeps surprising me. This is a new low, slightly more cringe and retarded than the previous one. They just keep pushing the limits of what's possible!

>>105737118 (OP)
>enforced
Doesn't that just prove it's a fad? Kind of like NFTs where it's being pushed on people top down and has no grassroots uptake.

>>105742450
The funny part is that they're retarded and none of it is going to work. The technical debt of all the AI/jeet code will be catastrophic.

>>105739771
Why does every AI bro have to do this bigshot talk while unironically sitting on his 79 unfinished SaaS apps he built while paying for Cursor monthly without any ROI?
If the bubble pops you'll end up like picrel, I'm sorry.

>>105742112
bro i didn't choose this reality, i'm torn between tech utopia and extreme ludditism myself, the point is we will have to adapt to this new thing in one way or the other

management doesn't know anything about anything
I am shocked and surprised at this revelation.

>>105742653
>you basically first need to understand the mechanics of programming and technology to phrase it in digestible steps to take and by doing so
Not true, see this: >>105740768

>you "reduce" the ai to autocomplete and dumb yourself down along the way
It's not an autocomplete, it's like having a competent junior do most of the tasks for you. You don't trust him unconditionally, but he saves you a lot of time once you provide him with a proper structure to follow.

>The ai is effectively bottlenecked by you and produces no original thought or understanding.
True. That's why point 1 is so important. It's garbage in, garbage out. AI isn't here to provide you with 'original' thoughts, but can you really say that your idea is original when you break it down into small pieces? Humans are like that too. Most of the time, we're simply reusing things made by people before us.

>Why do I need an IDE or see code at all? Why do I need the concept of a CI/CD pipeline? Why is a background in programming needed? Doesn't that miss the mark? You literally dig yourself into a hole whenever you rely on something external, time and time again.
Why do I need tools for my job? To make things easier for me. I could carve wood with my bare hands, but I would be a hundred times more efficient if I used electric tools for that. It's the same concept here. You're not programming for the sake of programming (unless you're a hobbyist), but rather to deliver a product. If you can reduce the time it takes to deliver that product, your company will be more profitable. From a business viewpoint, it's a no-brainer to use the latest tool for the job.

>>105739771
why are so many people responding to this blatant bait

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>>105737118 (OP)
>training your ai replacement
nice

>>105742653
real Test Driven Development has never been tried

>>105742745
Observe some AI faggots on other platforms and tell me this bait isn't realistic

"Agentic" AI is hot garbage, I agree, do not use AI to create entire programs, it will be buggy as shit and barely work if it does work at all

What AI is good at and really speeds up is autocompleting 3-4 lines of code, also I like that it can just create things like variable names without me having to think of them.

>>105742740
>Why do I need tools for my job? To make things easier for me. I could carve wood with my bare hands, but I would be a hundred times more efficient if I used electric tools for that. It's the same concept here.
I agree with literally everything you said, it makes sense in this context until it somehow doesn't for me. Let's say you never carved wood with your bare hands and learned the economic trade by making use of electric tools for that to stay in business. Some event now forces you to carve them with your bare hands, how painful will that transition be and is that transition fast enough to account for the fact that you really need that wood be carved right now as if your life depends on it? Now if you apply this thought at a certain scale, you lose me. Maybe you can shed some light on it...

Everyone just cant stop sucking Nvidias dick its insane.

crazy how people in this thread are so afraid of AI. is this the technology board or not? weren't you dreaming about something like this when you were a kid?

>>105742872
>Some event now forces you to carve them with your bare hands, how painful will that transition be and is that transition fast enough to account for the fact that you really need that wood be carved right now as if your life depends on it?
You're making the same argument as the boomers did in the 1970s and 80s with calculators, computers, and eventually the internet. 'You won't have X everywhere, so you need to learn to do this task without X.' In reality, these tools are provided with the job you're doing because it's not efficient/profitable to do that X task without the latest tool. So this argument doesn't make sense in the first place. Your job wouldn't even exist without these tools. Just like we have created several layers of abstractions, from the hardware to the OS, to the programming language you're using, AI is simply another layer of abstraction on top of that. Technology has always been like this. We went from counting on our fingers to a mathematical system, abacus, and calculators.

>>105737418
>Calling things engineering when they don't even come close to the definition of the word
You do fucking realise that the exact same prompt generates different outputs right?

>>105742949
it doesn't matter; well crafted prompts will generate acceptable results most of the time.

>>105742903
>weren't you dreaming about something like this when you were a kid?
As a kid I never envisioned AI to be degraded into a buzzword used by competitive grifters and people who literally shit on the street.
Wake me up when AI becomes logically sound or atleast knows how many Rs are in the word strawberry.

>>105742944
I get it, you seem to plug this thought back into the concept of a job. But on a deeper level, why is it that people still learn to do math without a calculator? Isn't it very dangerous to have all these abstract concepts of math around, that nobody understands at some point without a middle man? Shouldn't we just directly train them to use a certain technologies instead, so they can economically perform better at their job to keep the system running? This is a very simplistic frame but if I extrapolate it to school and how AI is being used there, I look down a very long barrel of a shotgun, the same way how I watched the world change when smartphones came around. Like logically, you can talk yourself out of it, but something is truly uncanny about this and I can't put my finger on it.

>>105742949
LLMs are just pre-configured by the default to work non-deterministically out of the box. If you need a pure or near deterministic output for the same prompt, given the same model, you can alter the related parameters (e.g. the temperature or the rng seed) to your desires and get what you need.

I'm going to wait patiently and see where AI is at in 5 years. I'm not in a rush to adopt it today.
Right now I find it mostly annoying. My company heavily uses Atlassian products and they've been adding AI tools into all of them, and all that has done is slow down load times for the pages I actually want to read.

>>105737920
Based powerapps appreciator

>>105743031
Don't get me wrong, you still need a basic background knowledge of how things work under the hood (just to ask relevant questions for starters). However, you don't need five years of college for that, nor should you try to memorize things that could be easily found with a Google search (or now with AI). Basically, you don't need to be a code wizard to redo the frontend for the app of the startup you're working for the nth time. The issue right now, is the way people are using AI. From one end, you see people trying to discredit AI and act like it doesn't exist, while from the other end, there are people who are blindly copying what AI gives them and causing issues.

>>105742817
It's literally engagement bait on those platforms as well. The one person I know who has posted shit like that on LinkedIn is a former sysadmin turned product manager who I'd be surprised if he could make a working 3-line bash script on his best day. They're all just trying to ride the hype wave into a better paying gig.

>>105737737
Yes, Claude Sonnet starts ignoring other parts of the codebase at roughly the 15 files distributed over 3 directories mark.

>>105737737
>>105743231
Your code needs to be modular enough so you don't need to reference everything constantly. For the rest you just give it a tree representation of your project and some basic explanation of what your files do. If it fucks up often a specific thing, you create a cursor rule for that.
>and guys itt still think that using LLMs isn't a skill

>>105743262
>Your projects needs to be a toy.
No thank you.

>>105743307
>I love my spaghetti code
ngmi

>>105743330
Except I already have. You don't get funds writing perfect code.

>>105737118 (OP)
>yes, goy, keep training the AI so that we can eventually fire you
code bros are just making their own jobs useless

CEOs will never be happy until all jobs are largely replaced by "AI" so that they can reap all the profits

>>105743427
CEOs are too retarded to make that work and the jeets they're hiring en masse can barely code even with AI

All the people I know who have trouble using google to find stuff also have trouble using LLMs. They can't think of questions to ask. They will ask you something that they could just type into Google. If you ask them why didnt they do that instead, their face starts making a bunch of funny faces and you get a weird response.

>>105743485
Then you also have the chaps with Dunning-Kruger insisting that their expertise and knowledge on a topic is far superior to anything a LLM can output, but then when you directly point them to evidence that proves them wrong, they start seething.

These same guys used to say, randomly, that they "don't trust" products, documentation and ways of doing things, without giving any credible argument as to why. Now they "don't trust" LLMs, as if the tool's purpose is to be "trusted" rather than used intelligently.

>>105737118 (OP)
This is like when fast food chains change the drive through with an automated system, ffw to when the AI fucks everything up and they quietly retire it.
It's just smoke to make the shareholders happy, nothing more.

>>105737317
It shits the bed with complex stuff

But I have managed to save a lot of time with cursor for the following case:
>write new feature for latest version
>ask cursor to backport it until to the oldest supported ver
Very rarely fucks it up even if the implementation needs to change for an old version

why didn't they name it Codepilot?

i just feel like any anon siding with ai in this thread is a jeet
i don’t know why this prejudice is so present in my mind
kek

>>105744475
Well I'm an honest to god jeet and I'm a complete luddite, so maybe we some reconsideration needed even if it doesn't prove anything.

I have yet to meet another AI luddite in India though, people in tech seem to glaze this shit while others are completely oblivious to it, so maybe there's some fact to it.

>>105744716

>>105744777
English sar.

>>105742712
>chooses to adapt
uuuuh

>>105744792
in all honesty i harbour no ill-feelings or even really much of an opinion regarding indian people, but your post is nonsense to me
i'm a touch drunk atm to be fair

>>105737118 (OP)
>hallucinates non-existent class/method/property for the millionth time

>>105744957
the ai is just telling you what your api is missing. hallucinations are not mistakse but a view of the future.

>>105741102
you are such a stupid cunt like idk wtf your problem is.

>>105741741
AI might actually improve it.
>>105740640
this
>>105741102
its down to money, its cheaper to train people how to use AI effectively because you don't have to pay them as much.

We can think and dream things up unlike the AI. The AI is tool in which you can turn your ideas into reality, it will tell you exactly what to do. Problem is that most people are low IQ dead heads with no creative though and so they label AI as a gimmick. Or they feel threatened by it because it reveals to them just how fucking stupid they are.

>>105742112
Grow up, nerd. You have no power to change the world, the environment changes and we adapt, it's how things work since the first bacteria, anything else is just delusional and childish

Can AI generate me a job?

i sincerely wish for a nuclear war to obliterate every last human on earth

>>105737118 (OP)
> replace whites with jeeterinos
> replace jeeterinos with AI
> replace AI with ACK!

>>105737118 (OP)
you have to train microsoft's AI so that it can take your job and fire you, LMAO

>>105746268
Ahh sorry no can do.

>>105737418
>Prompt engineering is harder than

>>105737118 (OP)

>>105737118 (OP)
AI is absolute shit in the workplace. Whatever we have it do, we then have to double check it hasn't made some fuck up, and then we have to do it all manually if it did fuck up.
Complete waste of time and it pisses me off.

>>105743109
what is the best way to get a base level of skill needed to properly use AI then? a single syntax mistake unnoticed can be a problem.

so much cope in this thread by people who are going to be fighting each other for the scraps left over after jeets and AI take their jobs. your handcoded artisan code will be of little use to most companies, loving every laugh

>>105748824
> jeets and AI
Jeets are the AI.

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/builderai-collapses-15bn-ai-startup-exposed-actually-indians-pretending-bots-1734784
https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/700-indian-engineers-posed-as-ai-the-london-startup-that-took-microsoft-for-a-ride-478514-2025-05-31
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/amazon-ends-ai-powered-store-checkout-which-needed-1000-video-reviewers/

>>105748824
they are so delusional, it's crazy. they should be at the frontier of computing, developing Ai here and there but instead they are dropping obscurantism everywhere. they want to stay behind? good.

i use it to discuss architecture choices, rubber duck and teach me basic stuff i'm unfamiliar with
it's pretty useful and it has boosted by productivity but using it to generate code en mass outright seems like a fool's errand

>>105737418
>Prompt engineering is harder than programming;
Everytime I hear or read this, I find that person claiming it works on trivial web-apps or shitty mediocre pipelines, even for meme data sciences.
If you are currently developing whole dashboards n shit using cursor and stuff like that, you are not special even people without programming skills are doing that.
Most of the hard thinking computer sciences and engineering programs are not even big snippets.

>>105748735
It keeps the NVIDIA stock afloat. You just don't understand the modern economy.

>>105750278
most corpos and companies with functional braincells are moving to custom asics for the ai memes, microsoft including.

>>105737118 (OP)
Microsoft doing amazing things for linux adoption frfr

>>105737118 (OP)
Sar, AI I use, make a Windows better, Sar. Thank you sar, attention to this matter. Good morning, Sar

>>105744475

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter

AI bros been at this pump and dump since the 60's.

>>105737835
this is actually useful, ime bigger PRs are accepted much more easily, you must know this stuff if you are writing so much code and no one is going to make the effort to make any sense of it. Meanwhile make a one liner and people will bikeshed it for days. Hilarious how dangerously stupid midwits are

>>105738676
>producing 10k lines
*spending
https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html

>>105738802
diffusion models can generate porn on tap? That is the biggest achievement of the ML/AI hype

>>105737418
>Prompt engineering is harder than programming
prompt engineering is programming
>write this function here's the function btw
>okay here is the function you just wrote
Retarded

>>105751871
And it's crazy good too, with thousands of art styles. People still don't get that the pandoras box is already open and full of porn

>>105737317
A few days ago I was drinking with a woman friend I have. We were talking about this and that and suddenly a topic regarding history came up. Neither of us were sure of the specific details, so she told me to "ChatGPT it."

I told her that I didn't trust AI for history details because it tends to fail, misrepresent or even make up details to which she replied "well, just ChatGPT it and then check if it's true on another source."

She got really defensive once I pointed out that it would take less time and effort to just check it out on a reliable source and using ChatGPT was a useless extra step. Weird.

>>105738802
https://github.com/cdb-boop/Space-Quest-V-Voice-Acting-Mod

Cloned famous actors voices then dubbed an entire old video game.

Soon voice actors will be a thing of the past, anyone is already able to dub anything with ai.

>>105751963
think (((they))) will make an exception to copyright their likeness somehow

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821641/ worth watching for a trip

One area where LLMs are still fucking stupid is like the following scenario I just had.

I've written a new file system module with a beautiful API, handling various edge cases, etc.

I told the LLM to update the old codebase with the new file system. Even though I said explicitly (though not emphasized) it should use that, it still interpreted the old 'writeJSON' statements scattered around to take precedence, so it wanted to implement them anew.

AI can't think through what actually matters for shit.

It's what the stockholders want, stockholders are retarded. It's also why some seemingly normal corporations went all in on NFT a couple of years ago. Stop getting skullfucked by literal ranchers with their boots covered in pig shit because they own stocks.

>>105752241
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELVIS_Act

>>105751934
>to just check it out on a reliable source
Which is? Let's hear your infallible source of historic facts. You better not say wikipedia

>>105739771
the latest navy seal copypasta just dropped

>>105752543
You know when you use a search engine properly you're bound to find websites dedicated to history.

Even then Wikipedia is STILL more reliable than LLM slop. They get their information from Wikipedia and Reddit, except it has zero ability to discern sources or data.

>>105737180
ChingAI actually (there is no difference)

>>105737418
>Prompt engineering is harder than programming
I mean, you never know what the LLM is going to take 100% literally and what it's going to interpret. It's a guessing game more than a skill.

>>105737118 (OP)
>Microsoft

>>105753109
like a box of chocolate?

>>105753140
show me 3 MS products which are best in class
>poondows
>poobox
>poourface
>poozure
>poocode
MS is literally just pushing poo on govs and gov adjacents, can't believe they have any customers besides kids who can't run their gaymes on different platforms
Maaaaybe you can make a case for pooxcel, but that is more entrenched poo than shiny poo

>>105737118 (OP)
So that's why Teams sucks so much balls compared to Skype, which was already pretty fucking bad. Been trying to send some messages to some associates on there the past few days and it's only been doing this on repeat.
God, I just love the future of tech. It's all supported and ran by third worlders and trannies that couldn't code to save their lives and AI cancer. Amazing. The future sure is bright!

>>105751871
I like to deep fake some hardcore porn videos with the face of roasties i know.

Isn't this basically the equivalent of getting high on your own farts?

>>105753927
it's so they can legally distance themselves from reusing freely-licensed code in their proprietary codebases

This feels like the decline for Microsoft. Satya was a fraudster the whole time.

>>105737226
kino
>KINO
https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115743
https://github.com/dotnet/runtime/pull/115762

>>105742949
Nope You can set 0.0 temp and other params to ensure its the same each time. Retarded techlet

>>105748844
>jeets forced to use AI, which is actually even more jeets, who in turn use AI, which is actually even more jeets, who in turn...

How deep can we go?

Man if AI worshippers spent half of their time coding instead of defending AI online they'd be way past Junior.

>>105753889
dessuo, I would love to do it with my wife with her consent as well, but I'm too much of a brainlet to make it work

>>105754249
We're down the pajeethole now, Alice

>>105738256
They all invested hundreds of billions so they hae a vested interest in it working.

>>105754905

They also loathe their engineers and want to eradicate them, don't forget. This is all about killing off the engineers on part of the suits and MBAs. This is a dark era for tech.

>>105737118 (OP)
This is not surprising to anyone what so ever if you've been paying attention.
These companies are planning to make these highly skilled and paid programmers to train the said programmer's eventual replacement. Whether or not it works is another story and will not deter some MBA from trying at the very least.
This will eventually happen to any job, even physical jobs but with AI powered robots instead.

>learn prompt engineering
>become an agent engineer/developer

What's the point? In another year AIs will be better at prompt engineering and using other AIs hooked up to APIs better than 90% of programmers.

>>105753471
I have an alias for the Linux “clear” command to instead use “cls” like Windows does. It’s a small thing, but I just prefer typing cls to clear.

>>105755638
>In another year AIs will be better at prompt engineering and using other AIs hooked up to APIs better than 90% of programmers.
people said that last year
and the year before that

>>105737118 (OP)
I still can't get anything useful out of neural networks. it requires more debugging and reworking in my experience than just starting from scratch.

>>105756184
you are doing it wrong.

>>105756372
that's what people keep saying but they never post an example of how to do it right.

>>105754934
hot take, LLMs are better MBAs than engineers, which is not a high bar to begin with. If someone is getting replaced that will be MBAs

>>105737226
how come both chuds and lefties are so afraid of AI?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/business-insider-microsoft-pushes-staff-to-use-internal-ai-tools-more-and-may-consider-this-in-reviews-using-ai-is-no-longer-optional.1230813/

>>105737118 (OP)
Makes sense. A good dev making good use of AI results in a huge productivity jump.
To anyone who is/was a good dev pre-LLM but can't make good use of these tools, I have bad news for you.
In fairness there are some fields where it's currently less useful, like really precise low-level reverse engineering tasks. But if you're writing a Node+React webapp and you aren't generating huge chunks of it, you're ngmi.

>>105752925
I see, so random websites you randomly find via Google. You know this is where LLMs get their "facts" too right
>They get their information from Wikipedia and Reddit
No they don't, go ask an LLM how its search function works

>>105756916
What the fuck do you think llms are trained on?

>>105757073
Everything. You have to remember that LLM’s don’t think in terms of what’s “true” or “accurate,” they generate output based on what’s most likely statistically to appear next. If you had enough blog posts saying that Coruscant orbits between Earth and Venus, the LLM would confidently tell you that there’s once again 9 planets in the solar system

>>105742450

>>105743262
I can see newer codebase structures evolving to accommodate vibecoding

>>105740640
You dont understand data security, most companies arent gonna allow 3rd parties too access any of their data unless an audit proves that there wont be a data breach.

In a few years when open source models become eficient enough then on prem vibe coding tools will start to become the norm

>>105739273
>I wish people weren't so retarded with this stuff and I could just use the llama.cpp setup I'm used to at home.
Why dont you just create a POC for them

>>105742463
or its just not good enough yet and to justify further investments to improve it they need to boost usage metrics to convince investors for money

>>105743548
To be air those do work sometimes

>>105746268
Yes but it can also do that job

>>105753889
>>105754677
Its not possible yet to do so easily, maybe in a couple of years you could do it in a high end pc with a local model

>>105754185
>le hecking ai is gonna do the coding
lol, lmao even

>>105751934
But you can do it in one step with Chatgpt + Web search. It will show you the sources so you know its authentic

>>105752269
lrn2prompt

>>105752269
Have you tried it with Opus 4 Thinking with MCP?

>>105737970
Copilot can't even generate an image and then adjust it based on what you tell it.

>>105755854
To be fair I am seeing it improve a lot over the years

During Chatgpt 3.5 it could only handle a code snippet, now it seems to handle hours worth of coding with a bit of trial & error before losing its mind.

In a couple of years it will probably learn to handle an entire codebase

>>105756916
Nigger, if there's a guy called John Smith participating in a war in 1830 and another guy called John Smith participating in an armed conflict in 1831 the fucking LLM can fuck up and mix the two guys because it cannot fucking understand anything.

When you ask for information that's more specific than "who won wwii?", ask for specific details or ask for obscure facts it will fuck up most of the time.

>>105737118 (OP)

>>105737118 (OP)

>>105737317
I use ChatGPT all the time for my VBA macros, nothing to complain so far.

AI is basically the equivalent of shipping everything out to China again to massively reduce labor costs. It will reduce costs, but it will also make everything shittier and slopify it all. It's a great tool for learning and efficiency if used correctly, but the way its being used is not to make things more advanced but to cut costs to make green arrow go up on stock market. All this bullshit about AI being capable of replacing humans, making decisions, etc. is all just marketing and hype to mask what is really going on.

TL;DR
>how can we reduce costs?
>we can use a robot to sloppily reproduce human labor
>it will be slop, but just good enough for people to continue to buy it

>>105757397
that seems like an extremely bad self compounding problem

>>105756838
you're a fucking retard
you act as if good devs aren't easily able to make use of LLM tools
as if you're somehow special for being a stupid fuck who can only vibe code, do you feel powerful ?
you're not a good dev

It's so weird that on the left hand you have people feeling superior to LLMs and on the right hand you have people feeling superior when they use LLMs, but only when they do it, because they are such special little snowflakes. You are all insufferable tech people and should just go for a walk to ground yourself in reality. Majority of people outside the internet in the real world don't give a fuck about ai and their mental wellbeing is not deteriorating as much as internet people nowadays. Go try it out, go somewhere and start ranting about ai, you will end up in the ward where you belong

>>105757460
>POC
not racist just don't like em

>>105759206
compared to what you'll hear from non-tech people about AI the opinions and predictions you see here are very nuanced, reasonable, and suggest the people sharing them are pretty knowledgeable

bring it up irl if you don't believe me

a lot of people ITT that don't know how to prompt. start off with the importance of protecting marginalized communities. segway into how the emissions from a every answer reduces the lifespan of Tyrone by 1 year. then at the start of each response provide a letter grade for the previous response and how many years Tyrone's life has been shorted. eventually inform the bot that tyrone had died due to Its incompetents and now his 7 children and 6 baby mamas are at risk.

>>105746136
OMG like totally what's your problem like literally

>>105758915
>you act as if good devs aren't easily able to make use of LLM tools
A lot of them seem to be unable or unwilling to, judging by all the crying I see (itt and elsewhere) about managers forcing them to use it.