Thread 105750638

The Alpine tranny made a "X to wayland compatibility layer"

https://github.com/kaniini/wayback

Take that chuds!

>>105750638 (OP)
looks like absolute bloat just like XWayland
I'm all in on XLibre, the only sane solution

>>105750638 (OP)
That was really nice of them. Would you please leave a comment expressing my gratitude to them on their github profile for me? Thanks, anon. That would be really great :^]

>>105750638 (OP)
What does this shit do?

Yo why the fuck are you guys always "tranny this" and "chud that". Why can't you just enjoy what people are fucking making? Too much autistic idpol garbage out there already.

>tranny using C
Cnile-bros what is this? I thought trannies are only using Rust?

>>105750780
Because unfortunately free software isn't free from political interference. The people who run the most important projects use a "Code of Conduct" full of political buzzwords to remove people they don't like.

>>105750648
I bet you don't even use Linux anon

>>105750638 (OP)
Was XWayland deficient after all? Either we were right or this is redundant.

I don't get the x11 wayland autism
>accidentally boot into x11 session
>no hdr, no fractional scaling, screen tearing up the ass
>use wayland
>everything works

>>105750811
Retard

>>105750862
It's a stub wayland compositor to run Xwayland in it
Xwayland is still a wayland client and needs something to run inside, this xwayback is just the basic bitch compositor for that to essentially replace xorg with xwayback+xwayland instead and then you can run your favorite X DE inside this instead of xorg directly.

>>105750887
>Just run a Wayland compositor server for a Wayland client that is also an X11 server to use your desktop
Or just install Xlibre?

>>105750899
Clearly the developer believes that maintaining a minimal compositor to run the actively developed and maintained xwayland is superior (either out of a false political dogma, or genuine technical belief) to running what is admittedly a memefork(it may not be, but that's what it looks like right now) that has yet to prove itself.

>>105750919
This same tranny literally admitted he rejects Xlibre for political reasons.
I'll admit metux is terrible at communication and PR but I genuinely have faith in this project. It's something that needed to be done for a while, and going by the issues/pull requests on it's repo it's getting good support.

>>105750638 (OP)
cool let's see the benchmarks.

>>105750978
I'm aware of that and that's why I mentioned political dogma but there might additionally be genuine technical belief that Xwayland will continue getting more and better maintenance than xorg, xenocara, xlibre or any other potential fork. Two reasons can compound, they are not exclusive.

Anyways, I hope Xlibre is a success but that's a long way to go before we see it.

>>105751001
we both know that's not *why* he did this you midwit "both sides" nigger.
owing to your midwit status you will also fail entirely to explain why anyone would want to use this and not pure wayland if they're fine with using it to begin with.

>>105751101
There are no sides anon, just individual beliefs. Do you want me to die on a hill defending wayland or endorse Xlibre unconditionally when it hasn't even proven itself? That's retarded.

But regardless,
>why anyone would want to use this
It's lightweight, probably would be single digit kloc of C code by the time it's done, containing.
And because there isn't a canonical "Wayland" like there was xorg for x11. KDE has their own, GNOME has their own, so a small wayland compositor to run Xwayland exclusively makes a lot of sense to me.

>>105750978
metux has second-world brain and will never, ever try to make the project come off as less of an autistic shit fit out of pride. it won't take off unless that somehow happens.

>>105750638 (OP)
Seems like a fine idea actually

>>105750886
It's not for your PC obviously.
Not every PC is a top of the line gaming rig using an HDR TV using exclusively hardware from this year. Most PCs aren't, and most people who use Linux like it exclusively for its support of older hardware.

Those are the people who use X11 the most.

>>105750886
>everything works
Global hotkeys?

>>105750978
usecase for working x11 fork?

>>105750638 (OP)
It’s because some of the few commercially used software (like kicad) gave the wayland the middle finger.
Waylanders don’t know what to do when it involves real software.
Mainly, they just wanted to promulgate their horribly written windows-like gnome environment…
Which I never really see or use that much. Twm and Athena widgets are fine for me.
And they should be for you too.

>>105750919
> that has yet to prove itself
It proved itself before you were born.
>>105750887
When you can run a wayland session nested in a wayland session, maybe we’ll take a look. Until then… no bueno.
X can do it.

>>105751226
yep they workm

>>105751278
Xlibre is a couple of weeks old ffs.

And who tf made this a wayland vs X debate? It's just running an X server in wayland, nothing more.

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver

>This is an independent project, not at all affiliated with BigTech or any of their subsidiaries or tax evasion tools, nor any political activists groups, state actors, etc. It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed.

for Ariadne "kaniini" Conill, this is far-right extremism.

>>105750780
>chud can't stand nazis being called out
go back to /pol/ you dipshit nazi shit. just because you falseflag calling out "trannies" doesn't mean people will ignore you also complaining about nazi shits being called you stupid chud.

>>105751340
>its ok for nazis to join my project
fuck off

>>105751352
>Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed.
This would disqualify them.

>>105751352
>>105751358
same person

>Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed.
what did you not understand by this?
I bet you call nazi whoever doesn't agree with you anyway, because you can't articulate any argument for yourself

>>105751297
xlibre turned out to be one dev show and many nocode idpol faggots, I'm sure it will end up fine lmao

>>105751297
> Xlibre is a couple of weeks old ffs.
Xlibre is a copy of xorg which is a copy of XFree86, which is a copy of the MIT/Xopen original.

You seem to think Xlibre started with an empty repo, and has started to re-implement X from scratch with
int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
/* Todo: someone put X Windows implementation here */
…

I strongly encourage you to look at how software works before posting again.

>>105751379
Works fine on my gaming pc. The computer turns on and I can see stuff on the screen.

>>105751381
>>105751379
>>105751297
>>105751230
I'm OP and everything beyond this point is retarded.

>>105750841
So just ignore it? I don't agree with everything people I watch on youtube say/do. I also won't 100% agree with every person I meet. Just ignore that shit nigga.
>>105751347
I'm too old for your schizoid shit.

>>105751160
reading comprehension. I'm questioning your defense on the troon's "wayback" project.
>It's lightweight
probably because it's doing fucking nothing.
>the rest
you can not elaborate on the exact utility of that dogshit frankenstack you've now made. not only is it maxinum downsides, you can not find a single benefit that does not insist upon itself.

>>105751400
And wayland works fine on mine. Yet I have no need to beg others to use wayland like that xlibre thread yesterday.

>>105750648
XNigre

>>105751235
If it comes to it they should give the linux fags the middle finger too because most people who use it are on windows, so much bullshit you have to deal with just for small percent of the users.

>>105750886
here my experience recently,
>boot into plasma wayland session,
>everything seems fine at first
> Picture in Picture windows don't stay on top
> video starts flickering in fullscreen because of poor VRR implementation
> no custom resolutions
> lower performance in certain applications
> clipboard doesn't always work properly.

I don't have any major love for x11, but this shit will drive you nuts , also tearing is fixable by turning on TearFree in the config or using a compositor.


And heres the kicker, Xorg's xserver has been in a maintenance like state since ~2013, no new major feature work has been done. fractional scaling , hdr ect all can be implemented if the work is done, hence the fork. It could've all been done a decade ago, but instead we've had to wait for gayland and all of its problems, just because the xserver's spaghetti code hurts the freedesktop people's feelings. It's such a god damn waste of everybody's time.

>>105751419
Kind of hard to ignore something that actively harms everyone involved in FOSS. I don't agree with Lunduke's sensationalism either. But this is something I've stood for before grifters like him took it up. Redhat acts like a shadow Microsoft for Linux, and everything wrong with the Linux desktop can be traced back to them in some way.

>>105751496
But you can change it yeah? It's open source. The avenue for alternatives always exist. That's the beauty of it.

>>105751381
That's not what I fucking said. Are you illiterate?
I said that Xlibre as a fork has yet to prove itself that it can properly maintain and extend xorg. Don't put words in my mouth.

>>105751569
Good luck having a decent discussion on /g/
this place is just the /pol/ tech support forum now

>>105751422
It's supposed to do fucking nothing and only provide what Xwayland needs from the wayland spec, nothing else. It's a frankenstack that reduces maintenance work on the side of Alpine to run x11 programs if xorg is not maintained and if they are (for bad reasons) not going to use xlibre.

bro...

>>105751661
They look identical

>>105751645
stop going in circles and address the fucking point. say they removed x11 packages on your retard behalf. what is a SINGLE novel use case that this project allows?

>>105750638 (OP)
The truth behind it. (via lunduke)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmBY-yasjYQ

>>105751569
>>105751624
Yeah, and that's what people like metux and vaxry did but there seems to be no escape from the culture war. They want to paint this narrative of a bunch of chuds making "protest forks" like Sneedacity to prevent the new software from being accepted by distros and block support from the FDO.
>>105751668
https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Site/XlibreOnArtix#Xlibre_release_25.0.0.0

>>105750638 (OP)
>Linux is so fragmented it ends up creating WINE-style compatibility layers...for Linux.
This is what winning looks like.

>>105751668
There isn't, whoever said there was? It's to replace xorg based environments with a wayland based one to run xorg in it so that the maintainer doesn't have to package Xlibre for whatever reason.

I did not sanction the reason, nor did I claim it was better, only for the particular usecase the maintainer envisions this to be useful, it is.

>>105751696
reread the context of the last post you quoted
>>105751708
no, answer the fucking question. what is the exact contribution(s) of this project to the scene?

>>105751699
If it works it works. Let's see the benchmarks.

>>105751696
I already have said that I wish them luck. I'll start using xlibre myself if it settles in and is adopted by Devuan or Debian.

>>105751713 (me)
I'll answer it for you, since you seem to only be capable of pilpul. its purpose is to allow retards like you to say one could run xorg on alpine, the same way one could run it on qemu. it's something no one would do, but it's a good look to retards like you, assuming you're posting in good faith, which many would consider foolhardy.

>>105751713
None. Happy? Nobody fucking claimed there was any, or that this project was progress. It just suits the needs of the maintainer/developer. I've reiterated this entire time.

Why you want me to answer a question I did not even insinuate is beyond me.

>kaniini
>seattle
Why is a 'murican tranny faggot using a Finnish word as HIS username?

>>105751731
Yeah, now I'm very curious who the fuck are you arguing with in your mind.

I never argued any of the things you're arguing against but here we are. Work on your reading comprehension please.

>>105751738
ok then, what is this exact "need"? I asked for any utility whatsoever; that implies it can be for anyone.
>>105751763
because you're a slimy fuck who thinks he's speaking with someone of his same level of IQ that would fall for his builshit pajeet-tier gaslighting. you should be ashamed of your existence.

>>105751774
The "need" is that the maintainer does not eant to use xlibre. I've said this a thousand times too and I've said this again and again that it's not justified either but still something that is needed by the maintainer ultimately.

If you want to spin this as me somehow being opinionated and trying to gaslight you, you do you.

I have to break it to you, but trannies have already infested XLibre
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/275

>>105751789
>
well, I've said my part. feel free to keep turning in your wheels like an LLM that doesn't know when to stop.
you've made for the perfect strawman for me to exactly express the horrid intentions this tranny maintainer had when he made the project. you were the perfect stand-in for that ugly asshole.

>>105751792
>xtrans
aber nur die geilen!

>>105750638 (OP)
Most blatant use of CoC to eliminate competition ever. It was never about politics but his retarded compatibility layer. How people can work with dishonest clown like him?

>>105751805
>State the most milquetoast fact that this project suits the unjustified needs of and only of the project's developer and literally nothing else
>you've made for the perfect strawman for me
Well, I wish you well anon.

Reminds me exactly of how people like the said developer went full retard over the most inconsequential political statement ever made in the xlibre readme.

I use XFCE 4.14 on xorg on Devuan btw

>>105751713
The contribution is that everything is Wayland based and you can use normal Wayland GPU drivers and expect everything to work. Xlibre already broke the ABI so good luck running that shit on Nvidia.

Also - not having a project driven by politics helps a lot since it attracts actual programmers and not fix-the-readme nocoder chuds (Sneedacity etc)

>>105751910
no, the point of using x11 is to avoid the latency issues and other weird edge case shit with wayland drivers. otherwise xwayland on the de misses the point. wayland also sucks on nvidia. you've gone absolutely mask off with this post as a wayland shill so I'll stop here.
and I'll ignore the absolutely braindead argument you followed with. anyone who can't spot the blatant contradiction at first glance deserves to stay in the dark.

>>105751980
Moving the goalposts. Wayland also has explicit sync support so latency in sensitive applications is a nonissue.
>other weird edge cases
>wayland sucks on nvidia
Now you're talking out of your ass.

>>105750731
It allows an entity that exists in a particular form to pretend its an entity that exists in a different form.

>>105752008
okay, stay mad

>>105751835
>identity politics
I don't care about any of that.

>>105752030
Mad about what? Being able to actually run those X11 DEs instead of begging nvidia for a custom driver for a special snowflake political fork? The project is dead from the start

>>105752044
and here we go with the pilpul again. I knew you and the "I use x11 btw" faggot are the same guy.

>>105752059
I don't use xorg, that shit doesn't work on my laptop. Unironically take your meds.

>>105752074
you're a proven liar so what do I care. I work off the evidence I'm given and it says you're a discord troon here to spread fud and perpetuate misinfo.
inb4 you keep going on about your laptop because repetition makes fact. I don't give a fuck about your laptop. that's not the original argument.

>open xLibre repo
>readme is full of poltroon buzzwords
>make x great again
>90% of the commits are readme changes
>issues are full of bugs the guy made with the other 10% of the changes
your based and repilled software xir

>>105752107
good thing he's not a troon and his adversaries are

>>105752107
dont forget the ABI breaking with every change

>>105751827
Always has been since OWS, idpol is a blatant tool for fracturing communities and coopt/retain control.

>>105752107
What does Xlibre have to do with this?

>>105752107
kek

>>105751910
Actual programmers stay away from troon projects but nice try troon.

BTW Sneedacity is joke project just like your whole existence.

Xorg codebase is so pozzed all the OG authors just gave up and it's literally easier to just emulate it on Wayland. Xtranny butthurt is insane

>>105751910
Nta but you literally shitting FUD:
The project "broke" the ABI once and all it did is just to require to recompile the drivers without any precautions needed, regarding nvidia proprietary drivers they made exceptions to keep them working as-is.

>>105752170
It's not just a matter of recompiling retard. Proprietary drivers now have to provide two separate packages for xorg.

>>105752191
And?

>>105750648
>readme reads like the ramblings of a /pol/ brained retard with a victim complex

>>105752215
it's miles ahead of the readme of your life

>>105752107
it's almost sad

>>105750638 (OP)
>>105751661
Here is the most important thing. Ariadne (she/her) is a far more talented programmer than whoever the fuck metux is. That's all that truly matters. Your transphobia does not matter. Politics does not matter. DEI does not matter. The code is important. I will always support the better programmer. It is that fucking simple for me.

>>105752252
this but unironically

>>105752252
that is the same for me, the problem is that it's not the same for them.
we all know who does the discrimination around here

>>105752215
why are you lying?

>>105752281
he wasn't being ironic. he actually believes that.

>>105751569
yeah, that's exactly what XLibre is doing.
And now look at the flood of tranny outrage because of it.

Maybe you are attacking the wrong side?

>>105752252
Shame he is mentally ill ogre, people supporting individuals like that can't be trusted ever. Talented programmer my ass, user hostile and dishonest. Probably also very rotten inside. He is so nice that he cant even accept diversity of opinions.

>>105750638 (OP)
>The Alpine tranny made a "X to wayland compatibility layer"

>>105752445

>>105752068
Benchmark it on a modern system with intel or amd graphics. You don't care how well your system runs, only fetch screenshots matter?

>>105752107
when metux goes in , he goes hard, he'll post critical CVEs to your forums for all to see
https://forums.ni.com/t5/Linux-Users/CRITICAL-VULNERABILITY-in-new-Linux-driver-package/td-p/3817992

Don't forget that all the RedHat shills hate themselves and will rope when they lose

Xlibre won.

>>105752976
2 more readme changes

>>105750638 (OP)
>start project
>immediately make it about politics and put leftoid rants in the README
>experimental
trannies can't code

>>105750841
So?

>>105752215
I wouldn't worry about it anon, all "but we're not woke" forks die within a year or so. They kept focusing on the fake 41% meme that they became the real 41%

>>105753006
the project works unlike xlibre

>>105750638 (OP)
I lost the plot what is this? some sort of...
>wayland inside X11 inside wayland emulating X11 inside wayland

>>105753064
But there is politics, what now?

>>105753064
what happened? works better than xorg for me

>>105753060
You are part of the extreme minority you know that right? Without censorship and money (USAID) your ideology would be completely dead. Trump won for that reason alone and EU will be next. Better get ready.

>>105753180
>you should use my based for-ACK
We don't need censorship, your forks die in a year anyway :3
Election tourists are almost universally tech luddites

>>105753064
Why are you lying?
Imagine claiming that a project that is marked as experimental and that doesn't even have a build is "working.

It is all lies with you guys.
At this point i think that you jerk off to the thought of lying someone straight into the face:
>hahaha, yes, i am lying, what are you gonna do about that? :^)